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Channel log from 25 September 2013   (all times are UTC)

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04:38
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I just resubmitted my merge request
04:38
night!
04:40
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: great :)
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05:01
<alkisg>
Good morning
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06:07
<jeje>
I am still figuring out how I can boot HP t410 AiO thin client to Ubuntu LTSP server
06:08
anyone ever configured this before
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06:10
<alkisg>
ARM-based? You'd need an ARM chroot with a loader etc etc...
06:10
Maybe it'd be easier to install x2go on it as an alternative to the included rdp/ica...
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06:13
<jeje>
yes it is ARM BASED Built using a high performance Texas Instruments TMS320DM8148 ARM® Cortex processor with 1 GB DDR3 SDRAM and 2GB eMMC Flash memory capacity.
06:15
well not so sure about installing any additional agent on it I could check the x2go option
06:15
@alkisg kindly substantiate this
06:17
<vagrantc>
those look like they'd make decent thin clients...
06:18
but booting LTSP on arm is an adventure
06:21
<alkisg>
vagrantc: have you looked at bennabiy's merge request? does the Debian/ and Ubuntu/ approach seem acceptable to you, or would you prefer a dedicated LinuxMint/ folder? (it would need a few hacks to be implemented that way, but it's doable...)
06:22
The .diff was quite small with the Debian/ & Ubuntu/ approach...
06:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: haven't looked yet, but that seems clean enough
06:28
hm.
06:28
seems like detect_vendor needs to be mangled anyways... :(
06:29
<jeje>
interesting
06:30
so essential in your opinion, I shouldnt be looking at LTSP then, probably look at Linux RDP??
06:31
<vagrantc>
jeje: depends on how much work you want to do
06:32
jeje: in theory, they could work as genuine LTSP thin clients... but it's quite probably a lot of work
06:33
jeje: i did explore the HP t5325 as an LTSP thin client ... no idea how similar the hardware is.
06:33
jeje: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/HP_t5325_Debian_Ltsp_Howto/
06:46
<jeje>
ok
06:46
I would like to use them as thin clients but am flexible
06:47
there are about 120 terminals that we have to deploy in the students lab environment
06:48
vagrantc all I need at this point is to be able to use them with any open source system out there, its the reason I went for Ubuntu
06:50
<vagrantc>
using their RDP client and xrdp on your ubuntu server is probably the easiest to at least get something working
06:53
<jeje>
ok
06:56
have you got a guide on implementing the xrdp on the ubuntu server
06:56
<vagrantc>
apt-get install xrdp
06:57
<jeje>
alright
06:57
<vagrantc>
then point your rdp client at the server ... don't recall needing to do much more than that
06:58
<jeje>
ok
06:58
vagrantc I was looking at the previous documentation that you sent me
06:59
the t5325 are similar and I think that this should be able to work but I will look at both options
06:59
<vagrantc>
it's a question of weather or not you can find a workable kernel
06:59
and how to actually load it
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<jeje>
alright
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<jeje>
ok cool I will try this out and get back to you
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12:40
<bennabiy>
alkisg and vagrantc: Hold off on the merge. The detect vendor hack is not working properly yet.
12:43
alkisg and vagrantc: It seems that the variable set in detect_vendor() is not getting it to the right folder. I wonder if perhaps having one folder for LinuxMint and then having the individual scripts that need special resources to do the checks for debian vs ubuntu
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<bennabiy>
If I want to see how the code is setting the variables, would the proper format be debug=ltsp-build-client ltsp-build-client ?
13:25
!bennabiy-todo
13:25
<ltsp`>
bennabiy-todo: Get this working...
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<Guest48926>
alguien me puede ayudar con epoptes
13:59
<bennabiy>
tu hablas ingles?
14:04
<Guest48926>
no
14:04
solo español
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<bennabiy>
!learn LinuxMint as Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
14:06
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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15:02
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I am uploading my latest changes. I will resubmit for review based on current state
15:02
I fixed the vendor_detect() and a few other little bugs, but it seems to be building fine on my test machine through my ppa
15:03
Also, I made an entry for LinuxMint for any who need access to testing support
15:03
!LinuxMint
15:03
<ltsp`>
LinuxMint: (#1) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution), or (#2) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln (2 more messages)
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15:04
<bennabiy>
Hmm, it did not get my latest update
15:05
!unlearn LinuxMint
15:05
<ltsp`>
Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command.
15:08
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: it adds more, you need to tell it to forget the older entries
15:08
!vagrant-todo
15:08
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
15:08
<vagrantc>
learn vagrant-todo as forget this one
15:08
<bennabiy>
!forget LinuxMint
15:08
<ltsp`>
Error: 3 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
15:08
<vagrantc>
!learn vagrant-todo as forget this one
15:08
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
15:09
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it, or (#4) forget this one
15:09
<vagrantc>
ltsp`: forget vagrant-todo 4
15:09
<bennabiy>
!forget LinuxMint 1 2
15:09
<ltsp`>
Error: There is no such factoid.
15:10
<vagrantc>
something like that
15:10
<bennabiy>
!LinuxMint
15:10
<ltsp`>
LinuxMint: (#1) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution), or (#2) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln (2 more messages)
15:10
<bennabiy>
!forget LinuxMint 1
15:10
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
15:10
<vagrantc>
!forget vagrant-todo 4
15:10
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
15:10
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
15:10
<bennabiy>
!forget LinuxMint 1
15:10
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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<bennabiy>
!LinuxMint
15:11
<ltsp`>
LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
15:12
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: one thing that's made your patches hard to review is whitespace inconsistancies
15:13
bennabiy: and it seems like some changes are whitespace-only...
15:13
<bennabiy>
Look at revision I just pushed up
15:13
<vagrantc>
ok
15:15
<bennabiy>
The main files changed compared to upstream are:
15:15
Modified (5)
15:15
 common/ltsp-common-functions
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 server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/000-basic-configuration
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 server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/000-basic-configuration
15:15
 server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-updates-mirrors
15:15
 server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-artwork
15:15
The debian side could have more done to it, but that should be enough to at least make a build suceed
15:16
!forget bennabiy-todo *
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<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
15:18
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: and i would put your case statement inside of the if [ -e /etc/ltsp/sysconfig ...
15:18
in the else section
15:20
bennabiy: and then if CURVEND = LinuxMint ... echo Debian or Ubuntu, otherwise echo CURVEND
15:21
<bennabiy>
That would work.
15:22
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: similarly, in basic-configuration ... just use the existing DIST and check for linuxmint, and then change/add settings f linuxmint
15:23
bennabiy: then you don't need the else clause at all
15:23
and makes for a smaller diff
15:23
<bennabiy>
The problem is mint needs both dists
15:24
<vagrantc>
sure, and there's a basic-configuration for each
15:24
<bennabiy>
It relies on both ubuntu dist, which is not obtained from lsb_release
15:24
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: also, i wouldn't touch debian yet :p
15:24
bennabiy: just makes for a bigger diff... make one feature at a time
15:25
<bennabiy>
The way alkisg was saying, made it sound like I had to have some support for both, or none at all
15:25
so I was doing at least the basics
15:26
<vagrantc>
maybe alkisg and i are giving you conflicting advice
15:27
<bennabiy>
He ultimately deferred to you about the choice
15:27
I am totally happy to not even touch the debian side of it, until I need to
15:27
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: for the first review, i'd just do ubuntu
15:27
once we have a clear idea of what code is needed, then add debian
15:27
<bennabiy>
ok
15:28
<vagrantc>
still a lot of whitespace confusing bits...
15:30
bennabiy: so in basic config, i would leave DIST as is ... if [ lsb_release --id --short = linuxmint ]; then mintdist = dist ; dist = ...
15:31
bennabiy: do you really need mint-meta-mate in a thin client?
15:31
bennabiy: seems like that should only be added to fatclients
15:32
bennabiy: and what's mint-meta-core?
15:33
<bennabiy>
mint-meta-core is the basics for making a mint chroot according to the devs
15:34
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: with update-mirrors, only put the mint stuff in you if statement, no need for the else clause.
15:34
bennabiy: if mintdist ; the add_mirrors mintfoo ; fi
15:34
bennabiy: ad_mirrors regular mirrors
15:36
minimize code duplication that way
15:36
bennabiy: the atkwork setting seems a little overcomplicated...
15:37
bennabiy: you could probably just add mate-desktop to the ist of desktops to check for
15:38
someone might have mate-desktop installed without mint, for example
15:38
<bennabiy>
Like I said, I do not use fat clients, nor have I ever, so it is a foreign concept to me
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: could even leave t out for the first pass
15:40
<bennabiy>
thank you!
15:41
If I get into fat clients, I might revisit it, but I am not going to set up a fat client to support it
15:41
<vagrantc>
get the core functionality merged
15:41
<bennabiy>
Any support is better than no support :)
15:41
yes
15:42
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: with all that tidied up, should be good to go
15:47
although i ponder weather debian/ubuntu shouldn't just carry the detect_vendor in it's own vendor-functions...
15:47
as well as the sysdist stuff
15:57
<bennabiy>
which dist uses sysdist?
15:57
RH?
16:08
ok, pushing most recent changes
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: should be up now
16:14
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: yeah, the fedora family, although i think the latest RH stuff doesn't
16:16
<bennabiy>
ok, I tried making your change to 030-artwork, but I would never know if it breaks anything
16:16
It should be pushed now
16:17
2494
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: still a lot of needless whitespace changes, but coming along... :)
16:18
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I am not seeing what you are saying about whitespace changes. are you comparing to ltsp trunk, or my last files?
16:19
<vagrantc>
https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442
16:20
bennabiy: in the debian basic-configuration ...
16:20
that highlights the problem, but it's all over the place
16:20
<bennabiy>
how can I revert a file back to original ?
16:21
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: are you using tabs instead of spaces?
16:21
<bennabiy>
yes
16:21
<vagrantc>
that might be you issue, then
16:21
<bennabiy>
I noticed that some was tabbed, some was spaced, so I used tabs
16:21
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i wouldn't touch the artwork plugin
16:21
<bennabiy>
ok
16:22
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: use whatever keeps the diff minimal :)
16:28
bennabiy: thre's a stray fi;; in detect_vendor at the end... should just be ;;
16:28* vagrantc also refers ;; on it's own line
16:28
<vagrantc>
prefers
16:30
might actually be simler to use a nested if staement rather than the case statement, too
16:32
bennabiy: later
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: That should be it...
18:03
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: one more whitespace in the updates-mirrors plugin
18:03
n
18:04
bennabiy: the indentation in basic-configuration looks off...
18:05
bennabiy: and what's mint-meta-core actually pull in?
18:06
bennabiy: mintsources.conf contains the ubuntu release it's based on?
18:07
<bennabiy>
yes
18:08
I looked at the whitespace in the updates-mirrors, and cannot see a difference, it is spaced to where it shows on the diff
18:08
I took out all tabs
18:09
mint-meta-core pulls in the plymouth artwork as well as a few other basics, to de-ubuntu the client
18:09
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: probably a tabs vs. saces issue
18:10
<bennabiy>
That is what I was saying, there were some tabs used, and then some spaces, and then some tabs and spaces in the same line
18:10
<vagrantc>
somehow it's different
18:10
<bennabiy>
The ;; lines up.
18:10
It is all spaces now.
18:10
I tried to change it, and then it told me no changes to commit
18:10
<vagrantc>
maybe the original had a tab
18:11
<bennabiy>
I will check the upstream
18:12
It is exactly the same.
18:13
<vagrantc>
there's something different
18:14
bennabiy: maybe trailing whitespace?
18:15
<bennabiy>
I am pushing for 2500 :)
18:15
try now.
18:15
2497
18:17
vagrantc: how do I get debian to be an option to build for in my ppa?
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18:19
<bennabiy>
alkisg: welcome!
18:20
<alkisg>
Hi guys
18:20
<bennabiy>
I just pushed a new update which I think should be good for a basic start
18:21
vagrantc hounded me until I got all my whitespaces right. ;)
18:25
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: launchpad doesn't support debian builds
18:25
<bennabiy>
I was afraid of that... I was hoping to use it as a testbed for lmde...
18:26
vagrantc: I appreciate you not wanting sloppy code. Please don't think I am having a hard time with you (I realize my comment could lend itself towards that)
18:27
I really appreciate the labors that go into making LTSP what it is
18:29
<vagrantc>
glad you see it that way :)
18:36
<bennabiy>
Does it pass
18:37
<pscheie>
vagrantc, are you coming to BTS this year?
18:37
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: How old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
18:40
<vagrantc>
pscheie: i reall need to
18:41
bennabiy: i don't bother to keep track
18:42
<bennabiy>
Somehow I thought that would be coming :)
18:42
<pscheie>
vagrantc, well that sounds like a 'yes'!
18:42
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so, whitespace looks good, but i would indent the code in basic-config and update-mirror
18:43
bennabiy: just style changes at thiis point, though, but may as well get it
18:44
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: That is encouraging
18:45
vagrantc: What do you think the indentation on basic-config should be?
18:47
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: everything in your aded if block
18:47
added
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<bennabiy>
Is the if / else fine? And then indent the added blocks?
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18:49
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: yeah, all the variables should be one indent deeper than the if, and the if should be one indent past the case block
18:49
bennabiy: so indent it all one further
18:50
bennabiy: and the add_mirrors line should be indente one
18:50
sorry for my typing, on a small keyboard
18:51
<bennabiy>
Just make me commit 2 more times :)
18:51
2498
18:51
shoudl be up
18:51
should*
18:53
<vagrantc>
ok, loks good :)
18:53
<bennabiy>
!vagrantc-todo
18:53
<ltsp`>
vagrantc-todo: Merge LinuxMint changes... (Subliminal)
18:53
<vagrantc>
one last thing... :)
18:54
<bennabiy>
can it be two things?
18:54
<vagrantc>
will probably squash this all into one commit in the end :)
18:56
<bennabiy>
Basically, this is just a starting point, to get basic support there. After that, I might experiment with the Debian side to get more support for it
18:56
<vagrantc>
MINTCOMPONENTS="main upstream import" should use the FOO=${FOO:-"blah blah"} syntax
18:56
<bennabiy>
why?
18:57
It does not have a commandline implimentation
18:57
<vagrantc>
as well as all the other basic-config vars
18:58
configuration file
18:58
<bennabiy>
Is that to support someone doing a MINTCOMPONENTS="FOO" ltsp-build-client ?
18:58
ahh
18:58
<vagrantc>
or that
18:58
but yes
18:58
<bennabiy>
ok
18:59
<vagrantc>
might be good to add the commandline stuff at some point, too
18:59
and then we're golden
18:59
<bennabiy>
I wondered if it would be good to have a generic variable setting option where you could do somethign like --var foo --var foo2 etc
18:59
<alkisg>
Fedora: lsb_release ==> command not found
18:59
<bennabiy>
as many as needed in the commandline
19:00
<alkisg>
That's why the "if" was outside of the lsb_release call...
19:00
So basically ltsp-build-client would fail on fedora with the current detect_vendor
19:00
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but they can add the dependency to pull in lsb release
19:01
<bennabiy>
Ladies and gentlemen... in this corner..
19:01
<alkisg>
vagrantc: sure, but I don't think there's anything to gain by rearranging the if that way
19:01
<vagrantc>
although it's a larger package on fedora, it's not insanely largr
19:01
alkisg: simplicity?
19:02
whole oint of lsb is common standards across distros...
19:02* bennabiy revisits LinuxMint folder...
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think that if we wanted to simplify the fedora code, it should be a separate commit...
19:06
bennabiy: also, you call $(lsb_release --id --short | tr " " "_") twice, it'd be better to save its result to a variable
19:06
(btw don't think I'm strict I don't even use ltsp-build-client at all, if you don't like me proposing things just tell me to stop :))
19:07
<bennabiy>
What do you mean call it twice?
19:07
<alkisg>
I'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/183364, at the bottom, the diff,
19:07
Check line 9 and line 22 there
19:08
<bennabiy>
somehow your version is not up to date with the most recent post. It looks like there is regression
19:09
<alkisg>
Ah let me check the latest version...
19:10
<bennabiy>
wait a second. I am about to commit a few more error.. I means fixes
19:10
I do have it saved to a variable
19:13
<alkisg>
But you don't reuse the variable later on, so the old call does the same thing again
19:13
Let me find a good launchpad link to show you what I'm saying...
19:14
<bennabiy>
I just fixed one instance of that... in 000-basic-configuration
19:15
<alkisg>
https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442 looks better :)
19:16
<bennabiy>
if [ $CURVEND = "LinuxMint" ]; then
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MINTDIST=${MINTDIST:-"$(lsb_release -s -c)"}
19:16
DIST=${DIST:-"$(grep base_codename /usr/share/mintsources/$MINTDIST/mintsources.conf | awk '{split($0,array,"=")} END{print array[2]}')"}
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<alkisg>
if [ -n $MINTDIST ]; then ==> should be "$MINTDIST" there, because if it's empty, then that's equivalent to [ -n ], which is a syntax error, not to [ -n "" ], which isn't a syntax error
19:17
<bennabiy>
The only problem is if someone chooses to build for a different version of mint, it would break
19:17
<alkisg>
In general, it's better to quote more than less
19:17
<bennabiy>
yes
19:18
<alkisg>
if [ $CURVEND = "LinuxMint" ]; then ==> same for "$CURVEND" there
19:18
About the mirrors and dist etc, would it be possible for someone to specify both MINTDIST and DIST?
19:18
Would that make sense?
19:19
<bennabiy>
yes
19:19
If they are running mint
19:19
that is why I wondered if we should have a command line argument for adding whatever variable
19:19
<alkisg>
Give me a specific example...
19:19
..i.e. an example of what distro I have, and what chroot I want to build, that would need both variables
19:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, the fedora change should happen after talking with the appropriate persons in it's own commit
19:20
<bennabiy>
Mint requires two distributions, and two sets of mirrors,
19:21
<alkisg>
Can I build an olivia chroot with an ubuntu 10.04 mirror?
19:21
I don't think so, there are specific pairs that can be made there, right?
19:21
<bennabiy>
There are pairs
19:21
<alkisg>
So why use 2 variables?
19:21
<vagrantc>
i think the dist code only handles building the same
19:22
as the host
19:22
alkisg: you need both ubuntu and mint dists
19:22
<alkisg>
The pairs are declared in the .conf files
19:23
<vagrantc>
all of them? or only te current ist?
19:23
dist
19:23
<bennabiy>
When mint first builds the client, it needs to have the ubuntu dist, but then to access the mint mirrors etc, it needs to have the mint dist
19:23
<alkisg>
I think all of them
19:23
<bennabiy>
alkisg: It would break if you wanted to make an older dist on a newer mint
19:23
<alkisg>
Why? It does have the old .conf files
19:23
<bennabiy>
like if I wanted to make a client for precise / maya
19:23
not on my server it doesnt
19:23
<vagrantc>
could someone paste mintosurces.confto pastebin?
19:23
<alkisg>
It should be enough to state DIST=maya
19:24
<bennabiy>
nope
19:24
no such thing as maya for debootstrap
19:24
DIST feeds debootstrap
19:25
<alkisg>
The linuxmint code should split dist into 2 variables
19:25
<bennabiy>
been downthis road
19:25
<alkisg>
But the user shouldn't have to bother with them
19:25
What if the user says, DIST=10.04 and MINTDIST=Olivia?
19:25
<vagrantc>
ok, i see your point
19:25
<bennabiy>
the user would only have to use both if wanting to do a different version that the server
19:25
<alkisg>
What I'm trying to say is, that MINTDIST shouldn't be a public variable
19:25
Not exported to the user
19:26
It should be an internal variable decided by some mint .conf files
19:26
<vagrantc>
they should be able to specify dist, and the mint code should set mintdist basd n that, and reset dist to the appropriate ubuntu value
19:26
<bennabiy>
Where would I put that code?
19:27
<vagrantc>
in basic-config
19:27
<bennabiy>
It seems like I would need to hardcode all the combos using that mindset then
19:27
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: mintsources.conf only contains the running dist?
19:27
<bennabiy>
yes
19:28
I will pastebin it
19:28
<vagrantc>
also, it should be possible to build mint from ubuntu srver
19:28
and ubuntu srver won't have mintsources.conf
19:28
<bennabiy>
exactly
19:29
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so es, you might have to hard-code the pairings in basic-config
19:29
<bennabiy>
in 000-basic-configuration or somewhere else?
19:29
That would eventually be a lot of pairings?
19:29
Can we source in a file which would be updated every 6 months?
19:29
<vagrantc>
not if mint gets smarter... :)
19:30
<bennabiy>
I do not see mint "getting smarter" ...
19:30
<vagrantc>
i wouldn't try to future proof it too much
19:30
include all the pairings you can when you can
19:31
is the upcoming release usually known in advance?
19:31
<bennabiy>
somewhat
19:31
<alkisg>
bennabiy: /usr/share/mintsources/ has flurry, nadia, olivia etc, are there more?
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<bennabiy>
those are all that are in my folder
19:33
<komunista>
hi all
19:33
<alkisg>
Hello
19:33
bennabiy: I think that folder contains all supported releases, as mentioned in http://www.linuxmint.com/oldreleases.php
19:34
So it wouldn't be possible to build obsolete releases, ok, but I don't think their repositories would be available either
19:34
<bennabiy>
It doesn't have maya in mine, which is the lts
19:35
<alkisg>
True... I think that's a mistake, but anyway we can't rely on that folder :-/
19:36
<bennabiy>
there is a new release coming out soon as well
19:36
<alkisg>
So yeah either relying on the user providing the "pair", or on hardcoded values
19:36
...so, on second thought, I agree with your approach of DIST/MINTDIST
19:37
<bennabiy>
Yes
19:37
Can you consider the idea of this...
19:37
<alkisg>
Another topic... variables in CAPS are supposed to be "global", needed by other ltsp scripts, but e.g. CURVEND isn't used anywhere else...
19:38
<bennabiy>
ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=raring --var MINTDIST=olivia --var ...
19:38
<komunista>
after upgared my Debian's LTSP environment to wheezy, I found freenx not working (to connect from teacher's Windows machine), then was success with the X2Go solution
19:38
<bennabiy>
actually it is used in 000-basic-configuration
19:39
<komunista>
please ,is anybody using X2Go on the thinc clients?
19:39
<bennabiy>
I just need to commit the change
19:39
:)
19:39
alkisg: I need to pick your brain about epoptes as well :)
19:39
<komunista>
It is possible or documented somewhere?
19:39
<alkisg>
bennabiy: am I looking at the correct diff? https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442
19:39
Ah sorry
19:39
I just read your previous line ^ :)
19:40
komunista: using x2go to control a thin client?
19:40
Or _from_ a thin client to connect to another server?
19:40
<komunista>
to login from thin clients
19:40
<alkisg>
To use x2go instead of LDM?
19:40
<komunista>
alkisg: yes
19:41
<alkisg>
And you need ltsp for netbooting the clients? Or you don't need ltsp at all
19:41
?
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<bennabiy>
alkisg: revision 2499
19:41
<komunista>
Yes, I need netboot, because clients has no HDD
19:42
I tried the NX solution some years ago, it was working but without the guest login, then I abadon this
19:44
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I made your indents and updated for alkisg's suggestions
19:44
<alkisg>
komunista: x2go has a thin client component, and a login manager component, but I think the best way to do it would be to implement an x2go ltsp screen.d script
19:46
<bennabiy>
alkisg: Is it posisble to use epoptes to control the server and clients from a remote machine?
19:46
<komunista>
alkisg: yes, this was what I think about
19:46
<alkisg>
Yup
19:47
<komunista>
then basicaly it must to work, right?
19:47
<alkisg>
Yup
19:48
<komunista>
OK, thanks I will play with it :-)
19:48
<alkisg>
bennabiy: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' mintsources.conf
19:50
Why the _ in MINT_MIRROR? The others, MINTDIST etc don't have one...
19:50
(maybe it would be better to put one in all of them)
19:50
<bennabiy>
to match EARLY_MIRROR etc
19:51
I am fine with changing them all to _spacing
19:51
It would make for commit 2500!
19:51
Just as long as vagrantc doesn't tell me to change it back :)
19:52
<alkisg>
Hehe :)
19:52
If you're going to do it, do the same for CUR_VEND
19:52
<vagrantc>
yeah, more _ is good
19:52
<alkisg>
(or CUR_VENDOR)
19:52
And put more quotes
19:52* vagrantc prefers cur_vendor
19:52
<alkisg>
case $CURVEND in ==> case "$CURVEND" in etc etc
19:53
<bennabiy>
yes, I still need to fix that one.
19:53
<alkisg>
if [ $(lsb_release -s -c) = "debian" ]; then ==> if [ "$(lsb_release -s -c)" = "debian" ]; then
19:53
<bennabiy>
It is uppercase because I use it later
19:53
<alkisg>
echo $CURVEND ==> echo "$CURVEND"
19:53
<vagrantc>
is CURVEND available in basic-configuration?
19:54
<alkisg>
bennabiy: see an example: CURVEND="*"; cd /; echo $CURVEND ==> bin boot cdrom dev etc home initrd.img lib lost+found ...
19:54
<vagrantc>
or maybe LSB_VENDOR?
19:54
<bennabiy>
alkisg: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' mintsources.conf brings out raring, when in the directory
19:54
<vagrantc>
since that's what it is?
19:55
<bennabiy>
Ok
19:55
<alkisg>
bennabiy: isn't that what you wanted to print with the awk stuff? I didn't run it...
19:56
<bennabiy>
which is more efficient, sed or awk ?
19:57
<alkisg>
One sed call is more efficient than a grep and an awk calls, but it's more readable too, which is more significant in ltsp-build-client, where speed doesn't matter much
19:58
(the sed replaces the grep call too)
19:58
<bennabiy>
so do: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' /usr/share/mintsources/$MINTDIST/mintsources.conf
19:58
<alkisg>
Right, with quotes in the path though :)
19:59
<bennabiy>
err. $MINT_DIST
19:59
<alkisg>
sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf"
20:00
It might be worth it to do an if [ -f .../mintsources ] there as well, in case the server doesn't run mint, but you can postpone that part for later :)
20:00
<bennabiy>
would I need to escape the quotes around /usr/shar...
20:00
since the whole thing is doublequoted
20:01
<alkisg>
No, when you start a $(), inside that it's a different quoting ...universe :)
20:02
<vagrantc>
just when i thought we were don for the moment...
20:02
<alkisg>
Btw if you prefer awk instead of sed (again without grep): awk -F= '/base_codename/{print $2} < mintsourcs.conf
20:02
<bennabiy>
I am fine with sed
20:03
<vagrantc>
and '
20:03
<alkisg>
...and without < as well :-/
20:04
<bennabiy>
so CURVEND is becoming LSB_VENDOR
20:04
The rest are just getting spaced _
20:04
sound right?
20:04
DIST=${DIST:-"$(sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf")"}
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<vagrantc>
could use ${MINT_DIST} instead of the extra "
20:06
<alkisg>
vagrantc: no, ${} don't replace quotes
20:06
They're just eye candy in this case
20:07
<vagrantc>
oh, it works for test -n ${FOO}
20:07
<alkisg>
I think the outside quotes can be safely removed though
20:07
DIST=${DIST:-$(sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf")}
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<bennabiy>
Which should I do?
20:08* vagrantc agrees
20:09
<alkisg>
And a final one from me, case $CURVEND in ==> why not make that a simple if?
20:09* bennabiy jaw drops... alkisg and vagrantc agree!
20:09
<alkisg>
Haha, we _usually_ agree!!! :)
20:09
<vagrantc>
indeed
20:09
<bennabiy>
I am just a troublemaker
20:10
<komunista>
good night :-)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, i proposed to make that an iftoo
20:10
<alkisg>
Sorry, didn't see that... cool, let's go for the final merge proposal...!
20:11
<bennabiy>
hmm... so would you do an if , elif to catch all three cases?
20:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i gave up asking for it, but since we're here
20:11
<alkisg>
bennabiy: which 3 cases? /me only sees two...
20:12
<bennabiy>
2 for linuxmint and 1 for others
20:12
<vagrantc>
sysconfig, linuxmint, *
20:12
<bennabiy>
that is why the case
20:12
<alkisg>
bennabiy: no, keep the inside if as it is
20:12
So, an if inside another if
20:13
vagrantc +1
20:13
I just opened ltsp-common-functions and saw the whole picture, I (again) agree with vagrantc
20:14* bennabiy is puzzled
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<alkisg>
Meh no, it won't work as it is now...
20:14
Let me pastebin it
20:14
<bennabiy>
let me pastebin what I have, and then I will pastebin what I think you mean
20:17
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3147252 As it stands right now
20:17
<alkisg>
http://paste.debian.net/46162/
20:18
...with a bit better spacing :)
20:18
<bennabiy>
I am fine with that
20:19
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's what i was thinking... change CUR_VENDOR to LSB_VENDOR though?
20:19
<bennabiy>
What would you recommend the spacing be
20:19
yes
20:20
LSB_VENDOR
20:20
<alkisg>
LSB_VENDOR, yup
20:20
<vagrantc>
spacing looks fine to me
20:20
<alkisg>
I meant the identation, a couple of lines are off
20:20
(of my paste)
20:21
<vagrantc>
5 spaces instead of 4?
20:22
<alkisg>
lines 8 and 13 in my paste, I think
20:22
<bennabiy>
I will check it
20:23
<vagrantc>
bennabiy is getting good practice at checking for whitespace issues :)
20:23
<bennabiy>
heh
20:23
whatspace?
20:23
<alkisg>
Erm it seems like a problem in paste.debian.net highlighter
20:23
<bennabiy>
It looks fine on my end,
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20:23
<alkisg>
When I look at it at my gedit it's fine, and when I look at it as raw in debian.net it's also fine, but when highlighted, it's off
20:24
<bennabiy>
That was happening to me earlier
20:25
<alkisg>
mozilla highlighter seems better... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3147309
20:26
<vagrantc>
me apparently didn't see any highlighting
20:26
<alkisg>
It's probably javascript-based
20:27
...which we well know you have disabled :D
20:27* vagrantc acts surprised
20:29
<bennabiy>
heh
20:30
ok. So I updated the variables to have proper quoting around them, changed to alkisg's code for detect_vendor() made spacing_ changes
20:30
was there anything else?
20:30
<alkisg>
...world peace?
20:30
<bennabiy>
I am going for commit 2500!
20:30
I like that number :)
20:33
ok pushing changes
20:35
<vagrantc>
looks good.
20:35* bennabiy rejoices!
20:35
<vagrantc>
now i'd like to figre out how to squash it into a single commit
20:35
<bennabiy>
!vagrantc-todo
20:35
<ltsp`>
vagrantc-todo: Merge LinuxMint changes... (Subliminal)
20:37
<vagrantc>
i wonder if i can approve the merge without actually merging it.
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20:38
<vagrantc>
haven't used launchpad's merge review at all before
20:38
also don't have my launchpad login on this machine
20:38
<alkisg>
bennabiy: + if [ "$LSB_VENDOR" = "LinuxMint" ]; then
20:38
...do we want to check the "server" there, or the chroot?
20:39
<bennabiy>
in 000-basic-configuration?
20:39
<alkisg>
Yes
20:40
Suppose I have a mint server and I'm building a plain ubuntu chroot
20:40
dist=raring or whatever
20:40
Won't that part of the code set MINT_DIST in that case?
20:40
<bennabiy>
Hmm
20:43
How would you distinguish between the two?
20:43
<vagrantc>
ouch
20:43* alkisg goes to light a cigar and will come back with new thoughts on this... :)
20:44
<bennabiy>
How does it work if someone does a dist like RHEL or something?
20:45
<vagrantc>
RH family might be a bit too far off to get reliable results
20:45
<bennabiy>
yes...
20:46
<vagrantc>
but debian dists should be able to build on another
20:46
<bennabiy>
I wonder if there is a way to do a check if DIST is manually set, and if so, not do the Mint Dist
20:46
<vagrantc>
though in practice, it might be a bit buggy
20:46
<bennabiy>
like if I wanted to build an Ubuntu client (which basically, I have been doing in the past to connect to my mint server )
20:46
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: but then what if it's set to a mint dist of a different versin
20:47
<bennabiy>
real world example...
20:47
<vagrantc>
running mint 13, trying to build a mint 12
20:47
<bennabiy>
would fail anyways because 12 is no longer supported
20:48* vagrantc is not familiar enough with mint releases
20:48
<vagrantc>
current mint release tries to build current release - 1 ... :p
20:49
or does mint drop support for old releases as soon as a new one is out?
20:49
<bennabiy>
I doubt anyone on ubuntu would *want* to build a mint client on an ubuntu server
20:49
1 year
20:49
unless LTS
20:49
<alkisg>
if [ -n "$MINT_DIST" } || ( [ "$LSB_VENDOR" = "LinuxMint" ] && [ -z "$DIST" ] ) then
20:50
<vagrantc>
that handles building ubuntu on mint, but not building a different mint release on a mint server
20:51
<bennabiy>
can I bring back up the ability to add custom variables to the command line?
20:51
by --var VARNAME=BLAH
20:51
<vagrantc>
if boolean_is_true WHY_DOES_MINT_MAKE_THIS_SO_HARD ...
20:51
<bennabiy>
or some such?
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20:51
<bennabiy>
hah!
20:52
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: that would require rewriting all the arubmment procssing
20:52
to support multiple --var foo --var bar
20:52
<alkisg>
(11:50:38 μμ) vagrantc: that handles building ubuntu on mint, but not building a different mint release on a mint server ==> why not?
20:52
<vagrantc>
currently, you'd just end up with bar
20:53
<alkisg>
MINT_DIST="older_version" would still get in the "if"...
20:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: oh, i see... you'd set MINT_DIST, not DIST
20:53
<alkisg>
You'd set both
20:53
<vagrantc>
sure
20:53
<alkisg>
We want (to compromise with) the following:
20:54
1) no params in a mint server => build a mint chroot
20:54
<vagrantc>
(of same version)
20:54
<alkisg>
2) if one wants to build a mint chroot in a non-mint server, he needs to specify both MINT_DIST and DIST, to provide the "pair"
20:54
...in order to avoid us hardcoding all the pairs...
20:55
<vagrantc>
that works
20:55
<bennabiy>
yes
20:55
<vagrantc>
but what if they don't gender identify with the "he" pronoun?
20:56
<bennabiy>
which if someone used a different MINT_DIST version than the server, if it was within the supported dists, it would still work
20:56
It would just need to be paired with *a* ubuntu version
20:57
and might not work
20:57
if not paired properly
20:57
but someone doing that would probably be aware of the pairings
20:57
<alkisg>
Meh. You English-speaking guys need a neutral pronoun. s/he...
20:57
<bennabiy>
it
20:58
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i've conceeded to use "they"
20:58
<bennabiy>
לךישדגכ
20:58
<alkisg>
If one... they? Meh again
20:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it doesn't hurt me as much as s/he
20:59* alkisg also hates french guys for using plural for a single person... we greeks picked that up a few decades ago, and it's very annoying
20:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, hopefully the hatred doesn't burn too hot :p
21:00
<alkisg>
Haha, no worries, I won't punch anyone in the face over it
21:00
<bennabiy>
alkisg: where would you have me add your line, and would that be enough to get it merged for now, and then I can keep working on fine tuning later?
21:01
<alkisg>
bennabiy: just replace your if with mine
21:01
<bennabiy>
I am about to go for a couple days, and want to make the changes while I am still fresh :)
21:01
alkisg: does it need a ; before the then?
21:02
<alkisg>
Yeah, and some testing, that it works with mint and doesn't break debian/ubuntu builds
21:02
Other than that, the merge request looks fine to me too, +1
21:02
See, 23 lines, not enough to bother with creating 23 symlinks instead of it :D
21:03
<bennabiy>
:P
21:04
hmm..
21:04
<vagrantc>
finished product may need a few more lines
21:04
<bennabiy>
!bennabiy_todo
21:04
<ltsp`>
Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
21:05
<bennabiy>
If you think of any more changes after I commit this, can you leave them for me?
21:05
I will check in after the shabbat
21:05
<vagrantc>
sure
21:05
i'll comment on the mege request
21:05
<bennabiy>
I am going to commit alkisg's suggestion, and then you will have the current changes as they sit
21:05* alkisg projected that it would need 60 lines so he'll be fine with a few more later on
21:06
<alkisg>
'night guys
21:06
<bennabiy>
night
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21:08
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: done.
21:09
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: typo in the new code
21:09
a } should be ]
21:10
<bennabiy>
got it
21:10
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: otherwise it looks merge worthy
21:11
<bennabiy>
pushed
21:11
_test_
21:12
<vagrantc>
looks good.
21:12
i'll commit it hen i get to my other computer
21:12
<bennabiy>
great!
21:13
You are in UK?
21:13
<vagrantc>
due west, over one big pond, stop just shy of the really big pond
21:14
<bennabiy>
Ireland?
21:14
Dia duit!
21:14
<vagrantc>
no, biger water bodies
21:15
near the pacific coast on north america
21:15
a.k.a cascadia
21:16
<bennabiy>
ah,
21:18
With doug as the flag?
21:19
I am from Idaho originally, and love the pacific northwest
21:19
anyways, I will see you when I get back
21:19
Thanks for all the help!
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21:23* vagrantc waves
21:23
<vagrantc>
a bit late
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22:54
<RandomUnregister>
Working on packaging LTSP for arch w/ a berryterminal client, I've got to the LDM logon screen but then get 'Restarting X and LDM' upon entering any credentials (regardless of whether they exist)
22:54
Any pointers as to where I've gone wrong please?
22:54
<vagrantc>
RandomUnregister: you need the ssh keys for the server somehow
22:55
although berryterminal doesn't use LTSP's packaging at all...
22:55
<RandomUnregister>
Thanks, that makes complete sense
22:55
Nope, it's fun disecting the pieces :)
22:56
Thanks for the help... ttfn
22:57
<vagrantc>
would be interesting to see arch support added for LTSP...
22:57
not that i've ever used arch, there are many things i respect about it
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