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Channel log from 3 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<linuxana>
hallo
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excuse me
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<linuxana>
hi
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excuse me
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<olalin>
I cant change to swedish letters in my kiwi-ltsp clients
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åäö
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I have tryed to change the keyboardsettings in easy-ltsp, but it dont work
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is there anybody here working with kiwi-ltsp?
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<cyberorg>
olalin_, tried scim to change keyboard layout?
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<stgraber>
ogra: around ?
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<moldy>
hi
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<warren>
petre: please write mail (usually)
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petre: what' sup
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<petre>
warren, I built a new f9 liveusb, and pyserial was in there, printer attached to client works, etc.
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warren, I think the problem was the cache of packages I was using was old
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<warren>
hm
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<warren>
I haven't had that problem in months
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<petre>
warren, so I built a new cache this time, and it all seems to work
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well, isn't the point of the cache to avoid re-downloading all the packages?
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<warren>
ye
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yes
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but it should have checked for updates and downloaded new things
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<petre>
warren, I checked the quick start guide into cvs for f10
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(after making a mess of some things)
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warren, for f9, when does the package become available via yum?
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<warren>
petre: I have to push it as an update
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petre: I suppose I'll just push what we have now
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nobody is giving me testing feedback
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<petre>
for f9 or f10?
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<warren>
both
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same version are built
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<petre>
I think a lot of the k12ltsp users are waiting for a centos-based release
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<petre>
warren, how are you & Brian doing on the RHEL release you were working on?
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<warren>
petre: completely stalled
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petre: RHEL5 is lacking so much of what we need
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<petre>
yes, I suppose so
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could you pull stuff in from EPEL?
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<warren>
petre: no, core OS components are missing stuff
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<petre>
so...what's the status of RHEL 6?
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<warren>
I can't answer that question.
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<petre>
warren, back to the f9/f10 stuff: I'm satisfied that this latest f9 build works
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and as you said, no one is giving feedback to the contrary
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should we call it done and release it?
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<warren>
petre: let's go over the text of the quickstart one more time to see if it can be made less confusing or simpler.
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<warren>
petre: I'm asking people to translate it into a few languages, so simpler is better...
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<petre>
warren, there is a newer release, 0.0.9, but when I did the build this afternoon, I got version 0.0.8
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<warren>
huh
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biuld for f10?
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<petre>
no, build for f9
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<warren>
build of what?
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your rpm appears to be 0.0.9
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you seem to be having more caching problems?
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oddly I haven't seen any problems like that
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<warren>
petre: oh, 0.0.8 was in the k12linux-temporary repo up until a few minutes ago, I pulled in your f10 build
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<petre>
whew, good, I was confused
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<petre>
so, does that mean if I build another f9 liveusb, it will pull in 0.0.9 now?
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<warren>
yes
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<petre>
0.0.9 has just two improvements:
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<warren>
Welcome to K12Linux, which is Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) software, version 5, running on Fedora Linux. This Live image is most useful for two purposes:
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remove ",version 5, "
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entirely not useful to mention
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<petre>
1. the 'rpm -e' commands have been reduced to one which should work for both live and installed versions
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<warren>
WARNING: The bridge interface, ltspbr0, has a DHCP server running on it. Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network.
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<petre>
I think it's quite useful, to know that it's not 4.2
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<warren>
petre: I disagree completely.
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petre: it is needless and only confusing to new users.
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<petre>
why exclude information?
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<warren>
well, it makes the sentence more complicated in translation
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and most users really don't need to know this.
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<petre>
in this case, "users" means 'admins' of varying skill sets;
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including version info for if/when they seek support from the list or IRC would seem helpful
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I agree that end-users don't care, but that's why we explain how to remove the guide
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If not here, where else do they find out what version they've got?
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<vagrantc>
would folks prefer [ -n "$foo] || [ -n "$bar" ] || [ -n "$baz" ] .... or ... [ -n "$foo$bar$baz" ]
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the former is more clear and obvious, the latter is probably slightly more efficient
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<petre>
warren, what's the URL for the k12linux-temporary repo?
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<warren>
vagrantc: the former, the benefit of the latter is negligible
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<vagrantc>
warren: sure.
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<warren>
petre: you'll find it in the kickstart files contained in ltsp-server
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<petre>
warren, ok, tx
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<warren>
petre: OK, I'd consider it basically done, I would prefer that one sentence to be simplified though.
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petre: let me know if you want to update it one more time, the I'll spin F10 discs.
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<petre>
warren, what about " Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network.", which I'll agree is clumsy
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warren, and as for 'version 5', I'll move it down to the bottom where it talks about getting help via the list and IRC
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warren, what do you want to change in " Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network."?
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<nothingman>
hi, all
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having trouble getting an IP on my client
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I'm able to connect to other IPs on my network
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dhcpd.conf is the same as before, when it worked
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and the firewall's off
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<warren>
petre: not just internet facing
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petre: it should be clear that it is to be plugged into isolated networks (like a single lab) dedicated to a thin client network
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