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Channel log from 20 June 2017   (all times are UTC)

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01:36
<MeLLy>
Hey all! Seeing if someone here can help me. We are running Debian 8 on ltsp 5. We are runng into an issue with a HP monitor that has a native resolution of 1600x900. I set X_MODE_0=1600x900 in lts.conf but it doesn't seem to take. Can someone point me in the right direction?
01:38
It keeps wanting to default 1024x768. There isn't any settings in the monitor we can change.
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06:55
<Eric3>
Hi
06:55
I'm a little bit confused about ltsp pnp.
06:57
I want to use Debian but i don't understand if i have to use ppa repo or debian repo. In most docs they say to install ltsp-server.
06:57
How can i know which version is pnp ?
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07:09
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp | echo Eric3:
07:09
<ltsp`>
Eric3: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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07:28
<Eric3>
I begin to understand :-)
07:47
<alkisg>
!client-list
07:47
<ltsp`>
client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
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08:12
<bcg_>
alkisg: I think it would be better to have packaging/{Redhat,Debian,...} subdirs in ltsp-repo, not separate packaging-{Redhat,..} repos. What do you think? It would keep packaging and code modifications in sync.
08:13
<alkisg>
bcg_: we'll need to talk this out along with vagrantc. Personally I believe all packaging belongs inside the project, as long as the packagers are also project maintainers. He believes that packaging is best maintained outside of upstream projects
08:13
So, I would put the packaging directly in the ltsp tree, you'd put all packaging in an ltsp-packaging tree, while vagrantc would put it in ltsp-debian-packaging and maintain it *outside launchpad* :)
08:14
The launchpad tree is just a mirror
08:15
bcg_: when building a redhat package, are you supposed to have a redhat/ dir with build instructions? Is it called redhat?
08:16
In Debian, it must be called "debian", otherwise the package can't be built.
08:16
<bcg_>
I prefer packaging inside ltsp tree too. We could have it there while vagrantc is free to have it elsewhere.
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08:18
<alkisg>
Vagrantc maintains debian packaging. Ubuntu gets its packaging from debian. So when I push some packaging changes, I need to make sure they go to vagrantc's tree, otherwise they'll never reach Ubuntu
08:19
I could fork the packaging, but we spend months to merge it so that there's no .diff between debian/ubuntu, and it would be bad to divert again
08:19
<bcg_>
For rpm there are two choices: 1) ltsp.spec in top directory 2) separate directory with ltsp.spec + README how to build it.
08:19
<alkisg>
I couldn't convince him to have a global packaging tree where I could commit changes, and that he would fork that tree for each debian release...
08:20
So we can just use (2) and name the directory "redhat"? Sounds fine...
08:21
<bcg_>
Yeah, 2 is fine and quite common way. It could be called packaging/redhat or docs/redhat or ...
08:23
<alkisg>
A top level /redhat dir would be fine for me, as /debian needs to be toplevel too
08:26
<bcg_>
Top level /Redhat (uppercase, to match other Redhat dirs?) is fine too. Maybe you can have a chat with vagrantc before I commit it in?
08:26
<alkisg>
I will need you to help convincing him :)
08:27
I can't convince him alone, he's very accustomed to how he's been doing things all those years of maintaining debian packages, that he can't follow another way that would be more upstream-friendly
08:27
But if there are 2 against him, I hope he'll rethink about it
08:28
<bcg_>
My summer holiday is starting next week so I won't be around here for 2-4 weeks.
08:28
<alkisg>
OK, we can do it after that
08:29
<bcg_>
But you got my vote for having /Redhat or /*/Redhat.
08:30
<alkisg>
/debian uses lowercase
08:31
But whatever is normally used for redhat, would be fine
08:31
<bcg_>
I know, I did some debian packaging too a long time ago.
08:31
ltsp has server/Redhat etc, so having /Redhat would match that.
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08:33
<alkisg>
Those are for ltsp-build-client plugins; we'll probably throw away ltsp-build-client completely in the future...
08:33
So those dirs will go too
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08:44
<alkisg>
!cheap-client
08:44
<ltsp`>
cheap-client: (#1) http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html, or (#2) https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-arrival-Beelink-Pocket-Z83-Windows-10-Mini-PC-Z8300-64bit-1-84GHz-2GB-RAM-32GB/1871240_32640039781.html
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09:01
<gudbes_>
hello everybody I installed again ltsp on a new vm and i have a problem ... the login page of the thin client appears but i write my login and pwd. after validation the screen is black
09:01
<alkisg>
Did the old vm installation work?
09:02
<gudbes_>
i formated the old install :/
09:03
i wanted to do the new install by myself
09:03
<alkisg>
Cool; keeping documentation helps ;)
09:04
<gudbes_>
i follow your instruction of your tuto ... but i have this bug :'(
09:05
<alkisg>
My instructions are for ubuntu; you're using debian...
09:05
That's why you need different documentation there
09:06
<gudbes_>
yes but the next week after your intervention, it's working
09:06
<alkisg>
Yes, because I didn't follow my documentation
09:06
I used the commands that are needed in debian
09:07
<gudbes_>
the last week, the problem was the bridge mod of my vm only
09:07
no?
09:08
<alkisg>
I don't remember...
09:08
I'm helping 10 schools per day, I can't remember the details for all of them :)
09:08
<gudbes_>
the pxe boot (image) is ok the login it's ok but after the screen become black :'(
09:09
10 schools o_0
09:13
how i can know if my image boot is without errors ?
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09:16
<alkisg>
!screen_02
09:16
<ltsp`>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
09:16
<alkisg>
!screen_08
09:16
<ltsp`>
Error: "screen_08" is not a valid command.
09:16
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_08
09:16
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'SCREEN_08', but I do know about these similar topics: 'SCREEN_02'
09:16
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_02
09:16
<ltsp`>
SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
09:16
<alkisg>
Eh,ok
09:16
Anyway, get a root shell on the client, and try `ssh user@server`
09:16
If you can login with ssh from the client to the server, it's a good start
09:18
<gudbes_>
ok thx i try it
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09:32
<gudbes_>
alkisg: it's ok i forgot the home directory in my adduser :/
09:32
<alkisg>
Nice
09:32
<al-geo>
guys teach me how to ltsp-built-client debian clients on ubuntu server?
09:35
<gudbes_>
alkisg: if a xfce them exist
09:35
?
09:38
<alkisg>
gudbes_: I don't understand the question
09:39
<gudbes_>
i use the gnome interface .... i want use a xfce for my thin client
09:39
i must install on my server ?
09:39
for use on my thin client
09:41
<alkisg>
If you want to use xfce, you need to install it on the server, yes
09:42
<gudbes_>
ok i must create an new image ?
09:42
<alkisg>
If it's a fat client, yes
09:42
If it's thin, no
09:43
<gudbes_>
the command "ltsp-update-image --cleanup /" is for a fat client ?
09:43
<alkisg>
It's for both
09:43
How much ram does your client have?
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09:43
<gudbes_>
4go
09:43
<alkisg>
Then it's fat
09:44
<gudbes_>
my client have no hdd
09:45
<alkisg>
Yes, that's how ltsp fat clients work
09:45
You need to run ltsp-update-image again
09:46
<gudbes_>
ok thx
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09:47
<al-geo>
alkisg hello friend is there any way to build debian fat client on ubuntu server?
09:47
<alkisg>
al-geo: yes. But if you don't know how, just build it on a debian server and transfer it to the ubuntu server with copy.
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10:12
<al-geo>
alkisg please give me the link of the other way
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10:49
<eu^774926216dsld>
alkisg: καλησπερα ειστε εδω μια γρηγορη ερωτηση
10:51
one question for multiseat?
10:51
ubuntu mate LTSP 16.04 multiseat
10:52
alexxtasi[m]: καλησπερα, να ρωτησω κατι;
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11:13
<alexxtasi[m]>
Καλησπερα
11:13
Αυτο το καναλι ειναι στα αγγλικα... καλυτερα να ρωτησεις στο #ts.sch.gr
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12:52
<XoMeLLyoX>
Okay guys I'm back and need help. I don't think anyone answered me last night so let's try again today. We are running LTSP5 on Debian 8. We have some HP 20" monitors with a resolution of 1600x900. We can't seem to get the monitor resolution to set correctly. We tried the following: X_MODE_0=1600x900, XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of DVI-0" and even XRANDR_MODE_0=1600x900 with NO luck. Can anyone help
12:59
On the XRANDR_COMMAND we tried 1600x900 res. It just doesn't show it on that command because we were trying different resolutions.
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13:35
<alkisg>
XoMeLLyoX: what's the output of `xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
13:35
(on the client...)
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13:51
<XoMeLLyoX>
We are not running flat clients. So it would be the output of the server.
13:51
fat*
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14:08
<alkisg>
XoMeLLyoX: no, because xrandr asks the xserver, which is running on the client
14:08
Anyways, without the output of xrandr, I can't help.
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14:29
<XoMeLLyoX>
k, hang on, let me get the output
14:48
<alkisg>
You can also do this, if you want, but it's not necessary:
14:48
!localxterm
14:48
<ltsp`>
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
14:51
<XoMeLLyoX>
Okay here it is:
14:51
http://termbin.com/bk8m
14:52
Thank you for that tip about ltsp-localapps
14:54
We have X_MODE_0=1600x900 right now in the lts.conf but only are getting 1024x768 resolution.
14:56
<alkisg>
As you can see, this card has 2 outputs, LVDS and DVI
14:56
<XoMeLLyoX>
That is correct. We are using DVI
14:57
<alkisg>
And you're currently using the LVDS output, which has a maximum resolution of 1024
14:57
The DVI-0 output has no * resolution, no active resolution
14:57
Now, you can test things this way:
14:58
<XoMeLLyoX>
There are (2) DVIs on that particular thin client. I wonder if the one that's plugged in is LVDS-0
14:58
Wait a sec.. I take that back. There's not.
14:59
<alkisg>
xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-0 --auto; sleep 10; xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto --output DVI-0 --auto
14:59
This lets you test an xrandr command, while reverting after 10 sec
14:59
<XoMeLLyoX>
k
14:59
<alkisg>
If your card has 2 outputs, you might be using the wrong one
14:59
<XoMeLLyoX>
So let me ask you.. In that pastebin I see where it says LVDS and DVI connected. VGA is disconnected
14:59
<alkisg>
Right
15:01
<XoMeLLyoX>
Why does it show DVI connected if it isnt?
15:01
I'm learning here =)
15:01
<alkisg>
+ means "the auto mode"
15:01
* means "the active mode"
15:02
So, LVDS-0 has an active mode
15:02
<XoMeLLyoX>
Ahhhh gotcha
15:02
<alkisg>
DVI-0 would get 1600x900 if it was connected
15:02
Are you using some kind of adapter or screen splitter or anything like that?
15:02
DVI to VGA, or whatever?
15:02
<XoMeLLyoX>
No it just plugs straight into the thin client
15:03
<alkisg>
What kind of connectivity options does it have, one DVI and one VGA?
15:05
<XoMeLLyoX>
(2) DVIs
15:05
Which register usually as DVI-0 and DVI-1
15:06
We have the same setup in other offices and use Asus 22" monitors that we have no problems with
15:06
And those always register as DVI-1 and DVI-0
15:07
<alkisg>
Can you try plugging the monitor into the other DVI adapter?
15:07
<XoMeLLyoX>
Yes I am going to have them do that. They said they tried it last night but didn't work. But I am going to have them try again
15:07
<alkisg>
The kernel and xorg and mesa versions some times break things...
15:07
<XoMeLLyoX>
Ahhh
15:07
<alkisg>
They might have omitted the rebooting part
15:08
Have them connect the monitor to the other dvi, then reboot, then send the output of xrandr
15:08
<XoMeLLyoX>
k
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15:14
<XoMeLLyoX>
http://www.termbin.com/igzl
15:14
Still shows connnected to LVDS
15:14
<al-geo>
alkisg on debian server the command "ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --fat-client-desktop task-xfce-desktop" didnt creates /opt/ltsp/i386.img just i386 dir . what to do? i want to copy both to ubuntu server in /opt/ltsp directory
15:19
<XoMeLLyoX>
@alkisg, that command you gave me you worked! So just put that into the XRANDR_COMMAND in lts.conf, right?
15:19
that command you gave me worked*
15:19
I'm half asleep
15:19
hahaha
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15:35
<XoMeLLyoX>
Okay, I set it as this: XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-1 --auto; sleep 10; xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto --output DVI-1 --auto"
15:36
And that did not work. But that command does work when setting it on the thin client itself
15:40
Nevermind. I changed the argument to say xrander --output LVDS-0 --off --output DVI-1 and it worked! It was a long night working on this stuff so I'm half asleep..
15:40
Thank you so much for your help @alkisg!!
15:40
<alkisg>
XoMeLLyoX: don't put the sleep call there
15:40
XRANDR_COMMAND_1 should be one command, not 2 xrandr commands with 1 sleep between them
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15:40
<alkisg>
Ah sorry didn't read the follow up :)
15:40
<XoMeLLyoX>
hahaha Yeah I realized that
15:40
<alkisg>
OK, cool
15:40
<XoMeLLyoX>
Like I said.. Long night
15:40
Thank you so much.
15:40
<alkisg>
np
15:40* alkisg waves, later...
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<alkisg>
al-geo: you can copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory, and run ltsp-update-image on the ubuntu server
17:49
Assuming it didn't produce any errors while ltsp-build-client was running...
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<v4169sgr>
Hi, looking for a method to install ltsp on 64 bit server 16.04.02 for 32 bit clients, with DHCP on an unconfigurable router box.
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<vlt>
v4169sgr: Should work fine, except for the unconfigurable DHCP part.
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<v4169sgr>
Yes :) So wonder how to get the client using the DHCP server on the router box. Am using LTSP-PNP on a 32 bit install on the server & it is working fine atm with that unconfigurable router, but thinking of my options as there is an issue with IO perf on 4.4 and 4.8 kernels on 32 bit
21:42
ProxyDHCP would be perfect but the manual is well out of date: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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So am wondering about how to approach this for 64 bit
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