IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:41
<bennabiy>
yup
00:42
!bennabiy
00:42
<ltsp>
Error: "bennabiy" is not a valid command.
00:42
<bennabiy>
!bennabiy_todo
00:42
<ltsp>
Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
00:44
<bennabiy>
!learn bennabiy_todo as Finish patching LinuxMint code to detect NON mint chroot build requests on mint, and to build a mint chroot on non mint server.
00:44
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
00:44
<bennabiy>
!LinuxMint
00:44
<ltsp>
LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
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01:44
<bennabiy>
who maintains http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page ?
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03:25
<vagrantc>
bennabiy_again: it should get redirected to wiki.ltsp.org at some point
03:25
bennabiy_again: that's the old wiki, long neglected
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17:15
<tfdl>
Hello gentlemen, we tried to build 32 bit client image on a 64 bit server ubuntu 10.04. now we got error "failed to connect to nbd-server" a few second into client's boot up. Can you please help us?
17:16
thanks so much for all the help thus far.
17:26
<bcdonadio>
!nbd-client
17:26
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
17:27
<bcdonadio>
Try this manually, with the address of your nbd server
17:29
<tfdl>
ok, i am doing it now
17:29
!nbd-client
17:29
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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17:31
<tfdl>
<bcdonadio> sorry but not sure how to do this manually, where do i issue the command?
17:31
when running nbd-client on the server it said the The program 'nbd-client' is currently not installed.
17:32
<bcdonadio>
tfdl, boot the thin client, and after the failure to mount the nbd0 device, it should hand to you an initramfs shell: that's where you should run this command
17:32
<tfdl>
yes, understand
17:32
<bcdonadio>
it should be ran in the client, not the server
17:32
<tfdl>
understand
17:32
doing it
17:34
i have to run to the client far from where i sit.
17:37
<bcdonadio>
don't worry, just tell me if it connect succesfully or not
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17:41
<tfdl>
failed. error: nbd no such file or directory exist. please insure nbd module is installed. thanks <bcdonadio>
17:41
<bennabiy>
I have noticed that nbd sometimes needs to be restarted, and it solves the issue
17:41
from the server, issue sudo service nbd-server restart
17:42
<tfdl>
<bennabiy> i tried to stop and start nbd-server stop/start but it did not go.
17:43
<bennabiy>
If you are just getting a busybox, it is most likely an NBD issue, so either your server is not configured properly, or you might need to purge the settings, and reinstall the nbd server
17:43
<bcdonadio>
tfdl, paste the output of this (in the server): cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf
17:43
<bennabiy>
also, are you sure that it is on the .67 subnet?
17:44
<tfdl>
administrator@ltspserver1:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg$ cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf cat: /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf: No such file or directory
17:45
<bennabiy> it is on the same subnet, i confirmed, this is because we did not get this error in the 64 bit client. we rebuilt to 32 bit client this where we got error.
17:46
<bcdonadio>
tfdl, your nbd-server is not configured to serve the i386 image. If I recall correctly, the following should create that config file: # ltsp-config nbd-server
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17:47
<bcdonadio>
then, restart your nbd-server
17:47
<tfdl>
i am trying <bcdonadio>
17:48
sudo: ltsp-config: command not found
17:49
<bennabiy>
umm. that is not normal
17:49
how did you install ltsp?
17:50
<tfdl>
as normal of a 64 bit ltsp alternate iso image
17:50
i downloaded here: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
17:51
<bennabiy>
Hmm. I seem to recall that I ran into nbd issues when I ran under 10.04
17:51
<tfdl>
for your background: going to newest version is not an option at all for our university library.
17:51
<bennabiy>
what does ltsp-info say?
17:51
what version ltsp are you running?
17:52
<tfdl>
server information: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS Release: 10.04 Codename: lucid server packages: ii ldm-server 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu2.1 un ldminfod <none> ii ltsp-server 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 un ltsp-utils <none> ii ltspfs 0.6-0ubuntu1 packages in chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386 ii ldm 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu2.1 un ldm-themes <none> ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:
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17:53
<tfdl>
i do not know the version of ltsp but what ever comes with 10.04 ltsp alternate
17:53
<bennabiy>
That might have something to do with it. 5.2.1
17:56
that LTS for desktop is about to reach end of life as well.
17:57
I just remember running into problems with nbd. I wonder if you tried NFS if you would make it work
17:58
<tfdl>
how do i use NFS?
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18:05
<jammcq>
hello friends
18:05
<tfdl>
<bcdonadio> you have any thoughts for me please?
18:07
<bcdonadio>
tfdl, paste the following: # cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_*
18:08
<tfdl>
administrator@ltspserver1:/etc/nbd-server$ sudo cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_* [sudo] password for administrator: cat: /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_*: No such file or directory administrator@ltspserver1:/etc/nbd-server$
18:11
<bcdonadio>
where the hell does your nbd stores the config? run this: # ls -lhA /etc | grep nbd
18:11
<alkisg>
10.04 didn't have a conf.d
18:11
nbd-server was ran from inetd
18:11
Also, the !nbd-client command is not appropriate for 10.04, it's for 12.04
18:11
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf will show the nbd-server line
18:12
<tfdl>
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
18:12
<alkisg>
sudo netstat -nap | grep 2000 will show if nbd server is running,
18:12
<tfdl>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1438/inetd
18:13
<alkisg>
on the client busybox, cat /proc/cmdline might help
18:16
<tfdl>
<alkisg> i have to take my son to appointment, can i please get back to you in about 2 hours.
18:16
thanks all!
18:16
thanks.
18:18
<alkisg>
bb
18:20
<bennabiy>
thank you alkisg :)
18:20
I thought I remembered it being different
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18:45
<willianmazzardo>
alkisg hi man
18:45
;)
18:45
<alkisg>
hello!
18:46
<willianmazzardo>
news to you.. today I put .wine locally to one user ..
18:46
and in the company application, the cups doesnt receive any job ...
18:46
and in the same time
18:46
i tested NOTEPAD, and workde
18:46
worked
18:46
and then i restart application, and then worked too :S
18:46
maybe is the printer library used in application?
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18:48* alkisg is on the phone, will read in a while...
18:49
<||cw>
could be something in the application doing something the wine print spool interface and freezing it
18:49
I've seen the windows spooler freeze as well due to bad behaving applications
18:50
<willianmazzardo>
||cw right ... thats my thought too
18:50
because i didnt had the test with NOTEPAD when application freezes printing
18:54
<bcdonadio>
I'm receiving the following error on /var/log/ltsp-cluster-lbserver.log: "code 400, message Bad request syntax ('getkey')". Any idea what this might be?
18:56
mgariepy, BTW, the ltsp-cluster-control did worked on precise. Saucy needs some love :P
18:58
<mgariepy>
bcdonadio, well, ltsp-cluster-control need some love..
19:04
<alkisg>
willianmazzardo: I thought the application didn't ever have any printing problems on non-ltsp installations... do you think that was just luck?
19:06
<willianmazzardo>
i dont know ... but outside ltsp the user doesnt complain about this
19:07
<alkisg>
How did you put .wine locally?
19:08
<||cw>
willianmazzardo: is it also on linux in this case?
19:09
<willianmazzardo>
||cw yes
19:10
alkisg, I`d created /wine in ltsp-chroot, and into users home, i linked .wine to /wine
19:10
ls -la show me this
19:10
.wine -> /wine
19:11
<alkisg>
So it was in tmpfs... hmm... ok that's local enough...
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19:13
<alkisg>
You could also try with a more real file system, e.g. an ext4 one,
19:13
i.e., locally:
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19:13
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
19:13
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
19:13
<alkisg>
nbd-client server-ip -N swap /dev/nbd2
19:13
mkfs.ext4 /dev/nbd2
19:14
mount /dev/nbd2 /home/username/.wine
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19:14
<alkisg>
That would ask for 512 MB of nbd space from the server, format it as ext4, and mount it to the user's .wine folder
19:14
Of course that's temporary too, no changes persist after reboots...
19:15
<willianmazzardo>
i`d tryied with all home locally, but doesnt worked
19:15
<alkisg>
Did it show any error messages?
19:15
<willianmazzardo>
no ..
19:16
<alkisg>
If we can find some common time online, I could help remotely again in preparing a local /home
19:16
<willianmazzardo>
ok ... now i will try this ext4 thing
19:17
i run that commands on ltsp server or in client?
19:17
<alkisg>
client, as root
19:17
<willianmazzardo>
ok
19:19
alkisg, exported device is too big
19:19
get 64-bits machine
19:19
<alkisg>
willianmazzardo: the swap part is wrong... let me see..
19:19
cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/swap.cof
19:20
Does it say [swap] on top?
19:20
Or, run x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org for me to look at this remotely...
19:22
<willianmazzardo>
this file doesnt exist into ltsp-server
19:22
i will open x11vnc to you
19:22
<alkisg>
*conf
19:22
typo there...
19:22
<willianmazzardo>
yes
19:22
sure
19:22
;)
19:22
.conf doesnt exist
19:22
<alkisg>
ok, vnc then
19:23
<willianmazzardo>
the xterm opened is for the client who I want to test
19:35
hi
19:35
<alkisg>
willianmazzardo: can we test with a completely local user?
19:35
Or do you need its documents?
19:35
(we can copy them though...)
19:36
It's just that any changes he does, they'll be lost on reboot
19:36
<willianmazzardo>
no no ... I can copy documents to NAS and mount
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19:36
<alkisg>
OK, so, tell me *before* that user logs in, to prepare his /home/username
19:36
On an epoptes terminal
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19:36
<alkisg>
if he has logged in, he needs to logout...
19:37
So that there's no NFS involved at all, etc etc
19:37
<willianmazzardo>
ok
19:38
done
19:38
<alkisg>
which client?
19:38
e.g. ltsp58?
19:38
<willianmazzardo>
ltsp58
19:38
sorry
19:39
69
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21:05
<tfdl>
hi <alkisg> can i please request a one to one chat with you?
21:06
<alkisg>
tfdl: sorry, no free private support :)
21:06
<vagrantc>
wy limit yourself to only one great mind?
21:06
<tfdl>
i would like to discuss a paid service but only with you.
21:07
<alkisg>
:) ok, fair enough
21:07
<tfdl>
sorry <vagrantc> i may have said it wrong
21:08
<vagrantc>
no worries :)
21:08
<tfdl>
but i am not sure how i can pay for a paid service
21:08
i do not want to take advantage of you guys' time
21:08
just want to show appreciation
21:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes ==> I tried the "commit only .pot" option, it's still daily commiting translatios,
21:09
*n
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so I'll go back to disabling them until before tagging
21:09
tfdl: I've pinged you from a private window, if you want you can chat with me there
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<tfdl>
i have been begging a little fund from the library to pay for ltsp. sorry if i said anything wrong.
21:10
<vagrantc>
tfdl: you could sponsor portions of ltsp events to sow you appreciation as well, although i'm sure there are people who would be happy to consult
21:10
<alkisg>
If you want to pay for the project, then you should probably sponsor the ltsp developers gathering event, BTS
21:11
<tfdl>
yes, when i do that i will let you know. thanks!
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<alkisg>
jammcq: how can someone send a bit of sponsorship for the BTS?
21:18
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/ByTheSea_2013#Sponsorship
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==> no contact info there
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<tfdl>
my manager said he can not find the contact info.
21:21
ltsp are great people! thanks thanks ...
21:22
<alkisg> as for the issue nbd-server failed to connect i had this morning, can you still help with it?
21:22
<alkisg>
tfdl: it's past midnight here, so I'll be heading to bed pretty soon...
21:22
<tfdl>
ok
21:22
see you again other better time.
21:22
thanks for all the help.
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<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<tfdl>
thanks everyone too.
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<digitalirony>
sup
21:55
So, we have this issue with USB/thumb drives, where people can't umount/eject them. It says its not in the fstab(shouldn't it look in mtab?), and I googled a bit, and saw where this is actually a feature and not a bug?
21:55
But I didn'
21:56
But, I didn't see this actually documented anywhere, so not sure where the person in the mailing list got the information, or how true it is
21:56
<vagrantc>
yeah, basically the drives auto-unmount after 2 seconds of inactivity
21:56
<Hyperbyte>
Why do you need to unmount or eject them?
21:56
<digitalirony>
so
21:56
well, because our users think they do
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and try to
21:56
<Hyperbyte>
They don't.
21:57
Just close all documents opened from the stick, save all work, count to ten and unplug. :P
21:57
<vagrantc>
it's a bad user-interface, admittedly
21:57
<digitalirony>
So, I should just go around the university, and put up signs everywhere in big ass letters not to come bother us 500 times a day with that because it does it on its onw
21:57
<Hyperbyte>
digitalirony, that's why mankind invented memos.
21:57
<vagrantc>
it should just let people eject them
21:57
<digitalirony>
Hyperbyte: the thing is, I have a brand new set of users every 2 months
21:57
<Hyperbyte>
But yeah, I get your point about it not being user friendly. :P
21:58
<digitalirony>
or the button should just ignore it
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or something
21:58
<vagrantc>
yes
21:58
<digitalirony>
I mean I know nautilis != to ltsp
21:58
but still....
21:58
<vagrantc>
or "ready for removal" or something
21:58
<Hyperbyte>
digitalirony, worst part is that this whole "must safely eject first" business was introduced by Windows XP
21:59
Has been fixed since Windows 7, write cache on USB disks was reduced (or maybe even removed)
21:59
<digitalirony>
Hyperbyte: I think its because the write cache though
21:59
<vagrantc>
of course, it was made to work that way because people routinely didn't bother to unmount things and had problems there
21:59
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe even since Vista....
21:59
But everyone is still convinced that they have to safely remove. =D
21:59
<digitalirony>
they do....
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I corrupt USB drives monthly because I forget to do that after a large file transfer
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or I get in a hurry
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etc
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<vagrantc>
not unmounting things has been a problem on gnu/linux systems for as long as i remember
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<digitalirony>
yeah]
22:00
its not just windows
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<vagrantc>
so it predates xp
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<digitalirony>
its just, how it works with buffers
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<Hyperbyte>
Aren't buffers disabled on USB disks?
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<digitalirony>
o.0
22:01
no
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<Hyperbyte>
I've never had problems as long as I don't eject when I'm not writing
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Minus one 'not'
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<digitalirony>
they can't possibly write as fast as the bus
22:01
it has to buffer it
22:01
<Hyperbyte>
Well no, there's a small buffer of course. But isn't buffer size reduced?
22:01
<digitalirony>
im sure it can be
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<Hyperbyte>
I thought this wasn't an issue anymore on modern Ubuntu.
22:02
<digitalirony>
but its a bad habit to not unmount...
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cause there will be the one time you go and use something else
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<Hyperbyte>
Meh! :)
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