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Channel log from 31 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vlt|l>
(sorry, if multiple posts, but seemed to be offline): Hello. I compiled hplip 1.7.3 in /opt/ltsp/i386 to support my HPLaserJet printer/scanner *on the client*. When I run `/etc/init.d/hplip start` there I get "[OK]" but syslog says "hpiod: unable to bind socket 2208: Cannot assign requested address". I tried to use this port 2208 manually with `netcat` and suceeded. What could be hplip's problem here?
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<vlt|l>
Hello. I want to run hplip 1.7.3 I compiled and installed successfully the way described in the wiki on the hplip site to /opt/ltsp/i386 but get "hpiod: unable to bind socket 2208: Cannot assign requested address" when trying to run it *on the client*. I did an an strace for starting hpssd.py: http://rafb.net/p/QrG2Rd29.html -- Can anynone see what's hplip's problem here?
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<vlt|l>
Hello. (How) can I disable the "poweroff switch" in the login screen?
05:52
<cliebow>
there is something called pessulus you can apt-get to control a lot of functions
05:52
in edubuntu
06:01
<vlt|l>
cliebow: Thank you.
06:03
<cliebow>
check it out anyway..not 100% it will alter gdm..
06:10
might look at gdmsetup as well
06:10
<vlt|l>
Hello. I finally managed to run hplip sand saned on the cleint. Does anyone of you know how to tell `scanimage` (on the server) to access the remote saned? Can't find anything about it in scanimage's manpage.
06:11
cliebow: pessulus doesn't seem to offer control about that. I'll look at gdmsetup ...
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<vlt|l>
It's `scanimage --device-name net:10.0.0.1:hpaio:/usb/...` in my case. Solved.
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<cliebow>
http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/
06:42
gone to spread the gospel at melug
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<cliebow_>
Halloo
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<gepatino>
hi everybody
10:11
does anyone tried to run a thin client using vnc, instead of full x version?
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<gepatino>
i mean, instead of running just a X server (with or without ssh) at the client, wouldn't it be faster to run a vncclient in the client side?
10:13
for low bandwith networks, or relly slow clients?
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<stillflame>
vagrantc: okay, so looking at the workstation instructions, i don't want to install the 'desktop' package again. does just gdm and icewm sound good? the dependencies don't pull in any nasties that i can see.
11:10
<vagrantc>
stillflame: sure.
11:14
<rpetre>
any idea why the X server run by "startx" keeps messing my keyboard, although if i run it from shell (with tha same parameters) works fine?
11:14
<vagrantc>
rpetre: what linux distro?
11:14
<rpetre>
debian
11:15
both the server and the slient
11:15
<vagrantc>
what SCREEN_NN did you set startx to?
11:15
<rpetre>
01
11:15
<vagrantc>
a login is already running there.
11:15
you need to put it on 07+
11:15
<rpetre>
oh
11:15
thank you
11:15
<vagrantc>
presuming this is ltsp5 built with ltsp-server
11:15
<rpetre>
yes, nice job, btw ;)
11:16
<vagrantc>
we try :)
11:16
<rpetre>
you saved my butt, although a bit more documentation will be helpful
11:16
<vagrantc>
we would gladly accept any documentation :)
11:17
rpetre: please contribute to http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
11:17
<rpetre>
heh, never thought to look there
11:17
i will
11:18
<vagrantc>
there's also a little bit in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server ... though i needs more
11:18
it
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<rpetre>
yes, that's what i was talking about
11:19
and thank you for the _07 tip, it works ok
11:19
<vagrantc>
rpetre: the other option is to disable more things in /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/inittab
11:19
<rpetre>
the ssh connections kill my server
11:20
true, but i like it more like that
11:20
it behaves like a real system
11:20
<vagrantc>
yah, tunneling everything through ssh has it's downsides, for sure.
11:21
<rpetre>
currently the only bug i see is the long X configuration time and the messages from debconf (i think)
11:21
<vagrantc>
yeah.
11:21
<rpetre>
but i have no better idea
11:22
<vagrantc>
we try as much as possible to use standard tools to configure X... using the debconf infrastructure... and debconf is slow
11:22
next generation might be better if cdebconf becomes a viable alternative
11:22
<rpetre>
yes, i was delighted to see such a debian-way approach :)
11:23
<vagrantc>
that's the whole idea behind ltsp5 ... use the distro's approach for as much as possible.
11:23
<rpetre>
also, i have the dhcpd and tftpd on a different server, this causes a bit of extra work when upgrading
11:23
<vagrantc>
indeed.
11:23
<rpetre>
but i have no better idea for making this easier, as well
11:24
<vagrantc>
i hope to split the packages up a little more... we'll see.
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<rpetre>
well, thank you again, and as soon as i put together some install/usage notes, i'll put them on the wiki
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<yhan>
hi, I try to setup the sound on a terminal with a sound card cyrix 5510, how can I debug it ?
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<jammcq>
g'afternoon kids
13:10
<yhan>
hi dad
13:20
<ogra>
hey jammcq
13:21
<jammcq>
ogra: hey
13:22
did you see my comments yesterday, about Debian ltsp-5 working so much faster than ubuntu ltsp-5 on that e2300 ?
13:22
<ogra>
jammcq, i'm fighting with ldm :/ ... apparently its not the greeter thats slow, i just tested with a plain C app thats not taking any memory and is extremly speedy ... takes exactly 21secs to start as long as the pyton greeter
13:22
<jammcq>
hmm
13:22
and yet, with Debian, the python ldm only takes a total of 23 secs
13:22
<ogra>
its something else that slows us down
13:22
<jammcq>
yes, I agree... Now, we just need to figure out what it is
13:23
<ogra>
from starting X to get a login screen ?
13:23
how do you measure that ?
13:23
<jammcq>
from seeing the 'X' in the middle of the screen, to getting the complete login screen is 23 secs
13:23
<ogra>
right
13:23
<jammcq>
it's about 105 seconds on Ubuntu
13:23
<ogra>
same here ...
13:23
<jammcq>
that's on a eBox e2300
13:23
<ogra>
that must be a kernel issue ... ldm is exactly the same in both
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<jammcq>
the t1220 is MUCH faster
13:24
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootSpeedeBox2300
13:24
check that page
13:24
<ogra>
ubuntus ldm has one additional button, but i doubt that has any effect
13:24
<jammcq>
so, maybe it's NFS slowness
13:24
<ogra>
yeah, thats odd
13:24
<yhan_>
how can I use a usb sound device on a terminal ?
13:25
for instance with a usb headset
13:25
<jammcq>
yhan_: what version of LTSP ?
13:25
hmm, microphone too ?
13:25
<yhan_>
the one who came with ubuntu 6.10
13:25
<ogra>
if you boot with it and are lucky :)
13:25
<yhan_>
mike would be the cherry ontop of the sundae
13:25
<ogra>
there is no code for detection yet
13:26
no way to get a mic to work in a default 6.10
13:26
7.04 builds the base for that feature, but also isnt doing anything automatically for mics yet
13:26
<yhan_>
actually on my term, which has a cyrix 5530 chipset, I can't have the sound working
13:26
<ogra>
(7.04 switched to pulseaudio)
13:27
<yhan_>
and I was wondering if a usb headset would be the solution
13:27
I have a driver for oss for the 5530 chipset, but not for alsa
13:28
<jammcq>
yeah, the 5530 is kind of a bastard chipset
13:28
the geodes put some of the logic in the bios, so supporting the chipset is difficult in the kernel. you have to support not only the chipset, but also the bios
13:28
<yhan_>
the video card works with vesa but not with the "native" driver
13:28
<jammcq>
right
13:28
same problem
13:28
<yhan_>
the term is quite slow :(
13:28
<edgarin>
jammcq, hi
13:28
<jammcq>
well, that too
13:28
edgarin: HOWDIE !!!
13:29
<yhan_>
do you guys use the compression with ssh while tunneling to the application server ?
13:30
<ogra>
i wouldnt with that term ...
13:30
compression needs cpu power ...
13:31
<yhan_>
if it was enabled by default, I would disable it
13:32
to get a bit more cpu for the video rendering
13:32
the term has only a cyrix 233 mhz cpu
13:32
not that fast
13:32
<edgarin>
jammcq, all fine and you?
13:32
<jammcq>
doing great
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<yhan_>
an another question, is that a way to speed up the boot time ?
13:33
<jammcq>
heh
13:33
that's exactly what we are working on right now
13:33
<yhan_>
my term takes more or less 6-10minutes to boot
13:34
<jammcq>
yep
13:34
<ogra>
6-10min ! ?
13:34
phew
13:34
<jammcq>
have you actually timed it? or is that just an estimate ?
13:34
<yhan_>
it's an estimate
13:34
look, I'm gonna to time it
13:34
<jammcq>
if you get a chance, please give us a more accurate timing
13:34* ogra has nothing that boots longer than 90sec here ...
13:34
<yhan_>
ogra, with a 233 mhz machine ...
13:35
<jammcq>
ogra: the T-1220 takes 93 seconds
13:35
<ogra>
my smallest is 300
13:35
<yhan_>
now
13:35
term is booting
13:35
the term is a visara 1730
13:36
I have a PII-400 (regular pc ) which boots faster
13:36
<ogra>
whee
13:36
<yhan_>
this same server, same network switch
13:36
<ogra>
our feisty kernel doesnt usderstand "proto"
13:37
as NFSOPT
13:37* ogra tries nolock only
13:38
<ogra>
but i think thats set already by default
13:38
<jammcq>
ogra: can you try: actimeo=600,nocto
13:38
eTyack has told me that helps on some clients on ltsp-4.2
13:39
<ogra>
takes still ages for the greeter to come up
13:39
i dont realy belive its nfs
13:39
*really
13:39
<jammcq>
what's your hunch ?
13:39
<ogra>
the other services are fast
13:39
no idea
13:40
<jammcq>
well, we gotta rule things out
13:40
<ogra>
but nfs doesnt seem to be it
13:40
<jammcq>
is it possible that it's actually compiling the LDM stuff?
13:40
<ogra>
the thing is that ldm starts the X server ... and five lines below it starts the greeter
13:40
<jammcq>
ok, so it's not really "LDM" that is slow, it's the greeter
13:40
<ogra>
there is absolutely *nothing* inbetween that could slow anything down
13:41
but that exactly the palce where its slow
13:41
no
13:41
i'm using a greeter thats 19k C binary stuff
13:41
<jammcq>
ok, so that's not it
13:41
<ogra>
eating less than a megabyte
13:41
<jammcq>
which client are you using?
13:41
<ogra>
the red/black one
13:41
<jammcq>
k, that's the t-1220
13:41
<ogra>
th eopenchrome one ...
13:42
<jammcq>
yep
13:42
<ogra>
right
13:42
<jammcq>
so... why does Debian run it so fast ?
13:42
<ogra>
to sad openchrome is so unstable
13:42
bad option: actimeo
13:42
btw^
13:43
i'd guess for the kernel still...
13:43
an surely debian doesnt use usplash
13:43
but thats a tradeoff i'm willing to pay
13:43
<jammcq>
i've got usplash turned off
13:43
is NFSOPTS being passed to mount? or to loading the nfs kernel module?
13:44
<ogra>
should be to mount
13:44
<yhan_>
ok it's booted
13:44
<ogra>
i'd love to be able to set proto
13:44
<yhan_>
so 9mins to boot
13:44
<ogra>
:(
13:44
why doesnt that work
13:45
grmpf and why dont i have the kernel docs here
13:45
<jammcq>
who's 'mount' are you using?
13:45
<ogra>
klibc i think
13:46
which is silly
13:46
<jammcq>
i'm using busybox I think
13:46
<ogra>
we could just use mount :)
13:46
<jammcq>
the "real" one?
13:46
<ogra>
sure
13:46
its initramfs
13:46
<jammcq>
you just need to include it
13:46
is it already there?
13:46
<ogra>
copying that is trivial
13:46
hmm, might even be there, not sure
13:46
<jammcq>
hmm, you might need some libs too
13:47
<ogra>
libc ... what else ?
13:48
<jammcq>
hmm, maybe that's all you need
13:48
<ogra>
and libc is included anyway i think
13:48
(thats why its so silly to use klibc :) )
13:50
<jammcq>
ogra: are you using "-o proto..."
13:50
<ogra>
yes
13:50
nolock works in the same line
13:51
nfsmount -o nolock ${roflag} ${NFSOPTS} ${NFSROOT} ${rootmnt}
13:51
thats what initramfs calls
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<jammcq>
so you end up with: nfsmount -o nolock -o ro -o proto=tcp ${NFSROOT} ${rootmnt}
13:52
<ogra>
ah
13:52
right
13:52
<jammcq>
can it handle multiple '-o' ?
13:52
<ogra>
but it should be able to
13:52
lets try
13:52
<jammcq>
I always do it with one
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-o nolock,ro,proto=tcp
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<ogra>
you can look at it yourself btw: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
13:52
<jammcq>
yep
13:53
i'm there already
13:53
looks like it's already gonna do -o nolock -o ro
13:53
<ogra>
right
13:54
wah
13:54
<jammcq>
so, which kernel config file should I have used?
13:54
<ogra>
nfsmount: need a server
13:54
unbelivable
13:54
smells slightly buggy
13:55
so you need -o in there
13:56
bad option "proto" ....
13:56
tsk
13:57* ogra tries something
13:58
<ogra>
seems it survives changing nfsmount to mount :)
14:07
yay, i just shoved off 5 seconds :)
14:08
there is a sleep(5) in /usr/sbin/ldm :)
14:08
no idea why ...
14:08
surely not needed there
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<jammcq>
hmm, that could mean that Debian ldm could get down to 18 secs :)
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<ogra>
mine is down to 15
14:15
on the 1220
14:15
still way to much
14:15
<jammcq>
yep
14:15
<ogra>
i'm fine with 10 and i'd *like* 5
14:16
<jammcq>
5-10 would be wonderful
14:16
<ogra>
but i still dont understad *why* its so slow
14:16
there is nothing that could slow it down
14:17
i mean, look at /usr/sbin/ldm ... if ou comment out the sleep and all xauth stuff, there is nothing between starting X and starting the greeter ...
14:17
(thats what i did here )
14:18
apart from speeding up 5 secs because i dropped the sleep there is no noticeable change in dropping xauth ...
14:18
... neither a slowdown
14:18
i wonder if X is our prob
14:20
<jammcq>
deb is using 7.1, ubuntu using 7.2 ?
14:20
can't see how that would matter
14:20
<ogra>
7.0 i think
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<jammcq>
deb is using 7.1, I just checked
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<ogra>
deb froze some time ago
14:21
ok
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<jammcq>
biglap:/# dpkg -l | grep xorg
14:21
ii xorg 7.1.0-13 X.Org X Window System
14:21
<ogra>
wel, its my only explanation
14:21
<jammcq>
that's chroot'd to the deb chroot
14:21
ok, what does it take to build a new kernel?
14:23
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
14:23
and take the -386 config as base
14:23
thats what we use in ltsp
14:24
<jammcq>
I don't have any thin clients here at home, they're all at the office
14:24
<ogra>
-generic is compiled for 586 and higher
14:24
there are many things different
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<jammcq>
i'm comparing debians config against ubuntus config
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to see if anything jumps out at me
14:26
CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y is one that I see
14:28
hmm, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE
14:28
deb uses 8192, ubuntu uses 65536
14:28
it's nice having several different chroot's on the same machine
14:28
easy to compare things
14:28* ogra tries to install linux-image-lowlatency in the chroot for fun
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<jammcq>
is that a module?
14:29
or a whole kernel?
14:29
<ogra>
no, a kernel
14:29
for the audiofreaks
14:29
<jammcq>
might be interesting
14:29
<ogra>
i dont expect it to be astonishing fast or so, but surely worth a try
14:30
<jammcq>
hmm, both clients I test with have 8139 chipsets.
14:30
CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO
14:30
'y' on deb, 'not set' on ubuntu
14:30
<ogra>
whats that for ?
14:30
<jammcq>
no clue
14:30
<ogra>
heh
14:30
<jammcq>
also, CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER
14:30
'y' on deb
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<ogra>
hmm ... this network module stuff reminds me ... i wanted to check it runs at fullduplex .... now i'm away from my client .. grmpf
14:34
<jammcq>
CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y
14:34
on ubuntu
14:34
not set on debian
14:34
<ogra>
only until release
14:34
<jammcq>
ok, any chance our problems will go away on release?
14:34
<ogra>
will be unset in the last upload
14:36
i'm pretty sure you wont notice debug on/off on a usual system ...
14:36
but it could be one thing causing our slowdown ...
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<jammcq>
I don't expect a single magic bullet will fix our problem. I'm thinking it's many things
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<yhan_>
am I wrong or esd uses alsa as backend ?
14:50
noticed that on the esound website, A working sound device is needed
14:51
so if I have an OSS driver, which works on locally, what do I need to modify in lts.cfg or in an other file to make it work ?
15:10
tried this on the terminal /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -public -tcp -d /dev/dsp
15:10
- using device /dev/dsp
15:10
ALSA lib pcm.c:2146:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp
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<ogra>
jammcq, hmm, the kernel docs state pretty clearly that its a bad ide to have nfs as a module if you run a diskless client
15:43* ogra builds a kernel with just nfs builtin as only change ...
15:50* jammcq thinks that document is pre-initrd days, when you couldn't load the nfs module if you didn't have a rootfs to load it from
15:50
<jammcq>
but, sure would be cool if that fixes it
15:53
<ogra>
well, it states 2006 as last copyright date
15:55
<jammcq>
I still think that particular point is from long ago
15:55
but, maybe i'll help
15:55
<ogra>
lets see
15:55
you still have the nfs error in your syslog
15:55
so that might fix it
15:55
apart from that i still suspect soemthing like halfduplex
15:56
even though that would also affect the session
15:56
but the session is usually snappy
15:56
<jammcq>
yeah, it even runs ok on the ebox
15:57
<ogra>
usually the server is the limiting bit on that ... so much i learned :)
15:58
hey, canonical moved offices today :)
15:58
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_Tower ;)
15:58
some more space than the 40sqm we had before ;)
15:59
<jammcq>
somebody should update the wikipedia article to point out that it's the headquarters for Canonical/ubuntu
15:59
<ogra>
heh
16:00
not sure they want to make it to public :)
16:00
but i think we have a full floor there now ... lots of conference room space
16:00
<jammcq>
umm, UDS 2008
16:00
<ogra>
heh
16:01
unikely ... but in the future all sprints will take place there
16:01
<jammcq>
looks like I'll be back at Google in June for a Desktop architecture mtg
16:01
<ogra>
gah, all these modules take ages to build, the kernel was done 20 min ago ...
16:01
nice !
16:01
google was great
16:01
good place to be
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<jammcq>
it was a pretty decent location
16:03
<ogra>
i think we should spec an -ltsp kernel ... for UDS ... even though that gets me in the dangerous position that i have to maintain a kernel :(
16:03
i suspect setting it to M386 would giveus a lot
16:03
<jammcq>
why would M386 give you more than M486 ?
16:04
<ogra>
the smalles setting we have is M486 (in the i386 flavor)
16:05
because many clone CPUs will be rather 386 than 486 ?
16:05
<jammcq>
really ?
16:05
we've been using M486 for a long time
16:05
<ogra>
hmm, k
16:05
<jammcq>
but there's memory settings you can tweak
16:05
<ogra>
well, we wont need SMP
16:05
<cliebow>
jaammcq:i wowwed quite a few with ltsp today
16:05
<jammcq>
and you can turn off virtualization and other things
16:05
cliebow: oh?
16:05
<cliebow>
just my lappie and an ibok
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<jammcq>
out spreading the good word ?
16:05
<cliebow>
at melug..
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maine lug in fairfield..spreading the gospel..
16:06
<jammcq>
so, yer like a big celebrity there, eh?
16:06
<cliebow>
small pond..
16:07
<jammcq>
heh
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<cliebow>
only 20 or so peoples..b ut several directors of vocational schools..
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<jammcq>
dtrask had an excellent email to the k12 list last week, talking about teaching concepts, instead of applications
16:08
some people just really get it
16:10
<cliebow>
what dirves me nuts is the educ apps arent there in linux...
16:10
and with sound problematical ..til n ow..
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and my clients many wont even run a 2.6 kernel
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<cliebow>
regdnad kcin?
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<Regnad>
Yeah, that's the one
17:10
No anchovies? You've got the wrong man!
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<jammcq>
hmm, dunno what that was
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<edgarin>
cliebow_, saludos!
17:31
<cliebow_>
Hola!
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
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<dererk>
hey :)
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<jammcq>
!s
19:19
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:19
<sbalneav>
Evening jammcq
19:20
<jammcq>
sbalneav: what's shakin
19:21
<sbalneav>
Not much, just doing some work on the edubuntu manual at the moment
19:21
<jammcq>
neat-o
19:21
i'm working on building a new kernel for ltsp-5
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<jammcq>
did you see our converstation yesterday about the Debian boot being so much faster than the Ubuntu boot ?
19:21
<cliebow_>
jammcq;i been reading that
19:22
you looking at nfs weirdness?
19:22
<jammcq>
yeah, but I just dunno if that's causing it
19:22
ogra is trying to build the kernel with nfs statically linked, but looking at the Debian kernel, the configs match Ubuntu
19:23
so i'm trying, by turning of things like virtualization
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and some high memory settings
19:23
<cliebow_>
ogra sais he found a 5 sec sleep there somewhere?
19:23
<jammcq>
yeah, in LDM
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5 secs is nice, but the full boot is 4mins and 45 secs
19:24
so we need a little more than 5 secs
19:24
<cliebow_>
Holy
19:24
my ibook is around 60 seconds..with i thought latest
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to boot from the Sony
19:25
Mar 21 build
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: oh, crumb. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6514999.stm
19:37
<jammcq>
hmm, I think Marlon was affected by this today
19:38
I got a message from him that he was waiting 9 hours for a flight
19:38
lets just hope they get it all figured out in the next 10 days
19:38
Long queues snaked outside airport halls, particularly in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo
19:40
<cliebow_>
yeccch
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<dererk>
Hey :)
22:32
I've a little doubt
22:33
which is the latest version available?
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<vagrantc>
of ltsp ?
22:34
<dererk>
Yes :)
22:34
<robbie>
hey all
22:34
jammcq: sbalneav Faithful had another boy
22:34
<dererk>
robbie, hi :)
22:35
<robbie>
hi
22:35
<jammcq>
robbie: Woooooo Hoooooooo!
22:35
<vagrantc>
it's a complicated answer... essentially, some distros (ubuntu, debian) have an ltsp5 based variant, you can grab tarballs of those and install them on any distro, or install ltsp 4.2 on most other distros instead
22:35
<jammcq>
and you named him "Jim", right?
22:35
<robbie>
james
22:35
\he, i just realised
22:35
<jammcq>
no shit ?
22:35
<robbie>
yeah
22:35
<jammcq>
ok then
22:35
<robbie>
are you a james or a jim ?
22:36
<vagrantc>
dererk: so... hows that for an answer?
22:36
<robbie>
by birth
22:36
<dererk>
vagrantc, I understand that 4.2 is out
22:36
<jammcq>
glad to see i'm starting to get some respect around here :)
22:36
'James A. McQuillan'
22:36
officially
22:36
<dererk>
But, what's 5 then?
22:36
<robbie>
cool
22:36
<vagrantc>
!ltsp5
22:36
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
22:36
<robbie>
you know Faithful's name is james ?
22:36
<jammcq>
yeah, but you named him after me, right?
22:36
<robbie>
of course
22:36
<dererk>
vagrantc, thanks :D
22:36
<jammcq>
ok
22:36
<vagrantc>
dererk: it's a shift in thinking ...
22:37
<jammcq>
robbie: you gonna call him 'Jimmie' ?
22:37
<robbie>
james
22:37
i like jim though
22:37
<jammcq>
me too
22:37
<robbie>
but dont tell his mum :)
22:37
<dererk>
vagrantc, so, a drogs and alcohol night eh? :P
22:37
joking :)
22:37
<robbie>
jimmy is good name to be called by mates when at pub
22:37
<dererk>
I'm gonna read this wiki doc
22:37
<vagrantc>
dererk: that's a good start.
22:37
<dererk>
:)
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<toddobryan_>
Hi. I'm using LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 6.10.
23:17
<sbalneav>
yep
23:17
<toddobryan_>
I have a problem with transparency. A program that works on the server has white pixels where they should be transparent on the clients. I really have no idea where to start troubleshooting.
23:18
<sbalneav>
What's the program? Can you just turn off the transparency?
23:18
<toddobryan_>
It's a programming environment--DrScheme.
23:19
<jammcq>
sounds like a video driver issue
23:19
<toddobryan_>
These are animations my students are writing and the images don't look right.
23:19
<sbalneav>
That's what I'd say. What kind of video cards are in the clients?
23:19
<toddobryan_>
They're NTAVO 6020P's.
23:19
<sbalneav>
That's the video card?
23:19
<toddobryan_>
Via chipset.
23:20
<jammcq>
what version of ltsp ?
23:20
ah, 6.10
23:20
<toddobryan_>
Yeah. With MueKow.
23:21
I'll brb.
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<toddobryan_>
Sorry about that.
23:27
I can't seem to find the video card on their website.
23:28
VIA VT8235
23:28
Does that sound like a video chip?
23:29
I'm almost sure that we don't have the right driver. When the clients boot, we get to "Ready." on the terminal.
23:29
<jammcq>
for a few seconds?
23:30
<toddobryan_>
If we let the screen go to black, like X is starting, eventually we get an all black screen and a freeze. Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't bring the terminal back.
23:30
<jammcq>
so how do you bring it up?
23:30
<toddobryan_>
If, however, we hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 on the black screen while the curse is still showing, it goes back to the terminal and X starts.
23:30
curse->cursor
23:32
jammcq: Have you considered selling parts/kits on disklessworkstations?
23:32
<jammcq>
parts like what?
23:32
<toddobryan_>
jammcq: Would have loved to buy from you, but couldn't pass up the cost savings.
23:33
Like a case, mobo, cpu to make a client.
23:33
<jammcq>
well, how much support is devonIT giving you on this issue?
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<toddobryan_>
Not sure if that would be cost effective, but I thought I'd mention it.
23:34
Well, they told us to use the vesa driver...
23:34
I actually haven't contacted them about the most recent problem because I just noticed it Thursday when we started these new programs.
23:34
<jammcq>
and they'll give you your money back, if it doesn't work out?
23:35
<toddobryan_>
Probably not.
23:35
<sbalneav>
You're using the vesa driver?
23:35
<toddobryan_>
But they were only $129 each. :-)
23:35
Yeah.
23:35
<sbalneav>
That's your problem.
23:36
<toddobryan_>
No transparency?
23:36
<jammcq>
I'd be happy to sell you somethng that doesn't work for $129
23:36
<sbalneav>
Not with vesa, no.
23:36
<toddobryan_>
That was kinda what I figured.
23:36
Guess I need to figure out which driver to use.
23:37
<jammcq>
see, at DisklessWorkstations.com, we put an awful lot of effort and testing into our products to make damn sure they work. sometimes we run into problems, and we take back the product and refund the money.
23:37
but, enough said. this isn't a commercial channel
23:38
<toddobryan_>
I'm actually more impressed with the awful lot of effort you put into LTSP.
23:38
<jammcq>
yeah, I wonder how much effort Devonit puts into ltsp
23:39
<toddobryan_>
They're apparently getting more involved. When Atlanta bought a bunch of stuff from them they set up a lab to troubleshoot some problems.
23:39
<jammcq>
hmm, never seen any of them show up here in #ltsp or on the ltsp-discuss mailing list, or even contact any of us LTSP developers
23:39
<toddobryan_>
jammcq: you do paid consulting, right?
23:39
<jammcq>
yep
23:40
well, my company does
23:40
<toddobryan_>
A student's family donated some cash to my lab as a thank-you for the college recs I wrote.
23:40
Maybe I could hire you to figure out the video problem.
23:41
Oh, and we haven't got sound working, either.
23:41
<jammcq>
figure out the video problem on another vendors hardware?
23:41
send an email to support@DisklessWorkstations.com
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<toddobryan_>
OK. Will do.
23:42
Does anyone know how good Student Control Panel (or whatever it's now called) is going to be in Feisty?
23:43
<jammcq>
I've heard that TCM (Thin Client Manager) is looking really good now
23:43
<sbalneav>
What is it you'd like to know?
23:43
<toddobryan_>
Well, the Edgy version is not super feature rich.
23:44
I'm looking forward to being able to monitor screens and such.
23:45
<sbalneav>
There'sIt has a screen viewer in it
23:46
<toddobryan_>
Do you know if you can monitor multiple servers?
23:47
We got two so that if one went out I wouldn't have to quit teaching while we got it fixed.
23:48
In a way, it's lucky we did. Turns out that teaching programming uses way more memory and CPU than I realized.
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<sbalneav>
Each TCM only monitors the stations attached to that server, I don't think it has support for monitoring a different server.
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<toddobryan_>
I guess I'd have to open a VNC session to look at the other one.
23:50
<joebob777as7>
hey I've got a quick question. I'm running a 64bit server and trying to connect a 32 bit client and I'm getting "your cpu does not support long mode"
23:50
can someone help real quick?
23:53
anyone?
23:53
<jammcq>
what distro?
23:53
and what version of ltsp ?
23:53
<joebob777as7>
newest ltsp and ubuntu
23:53
<jammcq>
sounds like you've also got a 64-bit ltsp chroot
23:54
you'll need to build the 32-bit version. Ogra's the guy who can help, but he doesn't seem to be around right now
23:54
<joebob777as7>
yes because it is a 64bit processor... do you know how to get a 32-bit ltsp chroot? and how my clients decipher which to choose?
23:58
<jammcq>
it's based on the 'filename' and 'root-path' entries in dhcpd.conf, and sorry, I don't know how to build a 32-bit environment on a 64-bit system
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<joebob777as7>
ok thanks i'll wait for ogra