IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<vagrantc>
and figure out ways to make the maintenance steps needed ... maintainable
00:00
<ball>
maintainable maintainability eh?
00:00
brb
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<ball>
hello mistik1
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02:22
<dan__t>
'morning.
02:23
So I've made the jump from Windows to a nice little LTSP environment. However, some people still have documents on their local drives, which need to be recovered and used under the LTSP setup. What have you guys done, as far as using maybe autmount and such, to recover documents and files this way from local drives?
02:23
I want to make the process as simple as a drag-and-drop thing through nautilus or some such
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02:56
<vagrantc>
dan__t: you should be able to use ltspfs ... need to modify the udev rules to mount the local drives (ltspfs is usually only for removable devices)
02:56* ogra waves from oslo
03:07
<dan__t>
ah ok.
03:07
You see what I'm getting at though?
03:08
<vagrantc>
yes, i think so.
03:08
<dan__t>
okie.
03:08
I'll look into that.
03:08
What about setting program defaults, like maybe default bookmarks for Firefox and such
03:09
<vagrantc>
set the defaults in /etc for whatever programs ... the users will inherit them and be able to override the defaults in the dotfiles int heir home directory
03:10
<dan__t>
defaults on the system's /etc, or from the default ltsp /etc root?
03:10
I'm still trying to figure out how the server's directoryy root differs from the exported LTSP directory root
03:11
<vagrantc>
on the system's /etc if your users are logging into the server and running applications on the server, which is a typical LTSP setup
03:11
<dan__t>
Sure.
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03:12
<dan__t>
From what I understand, when the client is booted, it mounts via NFS the typical /opt/ltsp/i386/ root on the cleints' /, correct?
03:12
<vagrantc>
right.
03:13
<dan__t>
So how does installing an application on the server itself, become available to the clients immediately?
03:13
<vagrantc>
because you log into the server.
03:13
<dan__t>
Yeah.
03:13
er.
03:13
ok, i see it.
03:13
then why does the client even bother to mount it's root via nfs from /opt/ltsp/i386
03:14
just to appease the internals of the booting Linux kernel?
03:14
<vagrantc>
to load the programs that make it possible to connect to the server
03:14
<dan__t>
I've not looked into what exists inside of the LTSP install root yet heh
03:14
Ok, I hope these questions aren't completely dumb, sorry.
03:14
It's sinking in now though ;)
03:15
<vagrantc>
basically, it runs X ... and either through a protocol called XDMCP or SSH X11 Forwarding, it logs the user into the server, where all the programs are run ...
03:15
<dan__t>
Yeah, I understand that much.
03:16
Ok, cool.
03:16
<vagrantc>
typically the only thing that runs on the thin-client is X (and maybe a sound daemon for sound support, ltspfsd for local device support, etc)
03:16
<dan__t>
word.
03:16
ok cool.
03:18
I think there's yet a bit of confusion because this is nothing like anything I've done before.
03:18
So I'm not really in that mindset yet you know?
03:18
<vagrantc>
sure it is :P
03:18
<dan__t>
haha
03:18
<vagrantc>
have you ever used a web application?
03:18
<dan__t>
I understand the whole client-server paradigm, and how X works - just not in this particular application.
03:21
<vagrantc>
from a conceptual standpoint, it's not much different than using a web browser to check your email via a web application ... the browser is basically like X, in that it provies an environment to display the application that is running on another computer ...
03:21
<dan__t>
Yes, I understand.
03:22
<vagrantc>
the the only real difference between a thin-client and booting off a hard drive is that the root filesystem is mounted over NFS instead of from a hard drive.
03:22
<dan__t>
yep.
03:22
I see it.
03:23
<vagrantc>
you could configure a hard-drived system to work just like an LTSP thin-client... but why bother :)
03:23
<dan__t>
heheh
03:24
<vagrantc>
seeing an environment set up that way in 2000/2001 actually is what got me started developing thin-client software ...
03:24
<dan__t>
Very cool.
03:24
<vagrantc>
as one of the hard drives died.
03:24
<dan__t>
Are you a developer of LTSP?
03:26
<vagrantc>
i've been working on the muekow/5.0 implementation for debian (and work pretty closely with the ubuntu folks)
03:26
<dan__t>
Very cool.
03:28
<vagrantc>
we've also tried to get other distros to share a common code base for LTSP 5.0 implementations ...
03:31
<dan__t>
I'm looking for a way to fax from CUPS. I've come across fax4CUPS, and a few other KDE-specific implementations, but nothing rock solid. Don't suppose you would be able to recommend anything, eh?
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03:42
<ogra>
vagrantc, hrm ... ltsp-update-kernels for powerpc is totally broken
03:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: you're the one with powerpc hardware :P
03:43
<ogra>
it apparently keeps the tftp path in fron to the real path while linking
03:43
<vagrantc>
hrm.
03:43
<ogra>
so you end up with a link to /var/lib/tftpboot/./opt/ltsp/powerpc/boot/yaboot in the tftpdir
03:43
<vagrantc>
i seem to recall it needing something weird...
03:44
really, we just need to fix yaboot.
03:44
<ogra>
yaboot is fine
03:44
the script has a bug
03:44
<vagrantc>
yes and no
03:44
yaboot requires it's configuration files in a static location.
03:44
which makes it very difficult to do in a clean way.
03:44
<ogra>
it sets the wrong link ... somehow it keeps ./ in there ... and since it cd's into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp it prefixes the yaboot link with it
03:45
<vagrantc>
but while it's stupid like that, we have to fix our workaround.
03:45
<ogra>
no, the current yaboot seems to work fine from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc
03:45
thats not the issue
03:45
<vagrantc>
oh REALLY ?
03:45
<ogra>
yes, apparently
03:45
<vagrantc>
so then ... let's yank the ugly ugly code.
03:45
<ogra>
i have no other yaboot or yaboot.conf lying around
03:46
its just the linking code
03:46
<vagrantc>
well, the linking code is merely a workaround for that weird behavior ...
03:46
<ogra>
hmm, k
03:47
just for you to note for etch ...
03:47
<vagrantc>
and if that weird behavior is no longer needed ... then we can do it the same way we do for pxelinux
03:47
<ogra>
i still have plenty of time to fix it in feisty
03:47
<vagrantc>
sure.
03:47
<ogra>
argh ...
03:47
<vagrantc>
though, really ... i need powerpc machines to test it on ....
03:47
<ogra>
grmbl
03:47* ogra tries to set a root pw in the powerpc chroot ...
03:48
<ogra>
silly silly me ...
03:48
<vagrantc>
i would be happy to work on patches if you'd be willing to test them (even if only on ubuntu)
03:48
<ogra>
ah, wait ... i can just copy the passwd file from te i38 chroot
03:49
<vagrantc>
and export your root password's hash over NFS ?
03:49
<ogra>
indeed, i can test them ... shouldnt be a prob, my ppc is unused anyway ... apart from travelling
03:49
<vagrantc>
oh, i386 chroot ...
03:50
ogra: so, you're certain it works fine as /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc/yaboot.conf ?
03:50
<ogra>
at least it does at the moment ...
03:50
<vagrantc>
and... can we specify kernel + initrd relative to that directory?
03:50
<ogra>
i'm just poking around in a freshly booted ppc client
03:51
my yaboot.conf has /ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux and the corresponding initrd entry
03:51
<vagrantc>
ok ...
03:52
not as nice as pxelinux, but still better ...
03:53
ogra: so ... how does yaboot know to look for /ltsp/powerpc/yaboot.conf ?
03:54
<ogra>
no idea ... it just does it
03:54
<vagrantc>
and there's no symlinks anywhere?
03:54
<ogra>
nope
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03:56
<vagrantc>
well then ... i think we can just yank the yaboot code from server/ltsp-update-kernels (it's all handled in the client/update-kernels bit)
03:57
<ogra>
ok
03:57
i'll try that if i get home
03:57
i need it working now for some other stuff and cant play around
03:57
<vagrantc>
and then i have to wonder if that'll work on etch ... maybe some of the debian-edu folks will be able to test
04:03
<ogra>
ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
04:03
now thats waaay cool
04:03
i see *all* partitions of my ibook on the desktop :)
04:04* ogra hugs ltspfs
04:04
<vagrantc>
heh.
04:04
<ogra>
even though it probably should get pattern matching to not mount "bootstrap"
04:04
<vagrantc>
dan__t: maybe you don't have to make any tweaks to udev to show local devices
04:04
<ogra>
i never had the opportunity to test that code, its the first time i boot something eith lical HD
04:05
<vagrantc>
talk about a slick rescue-recovery system.
04:05
<ogra>
*with local HD
04:05
sbalneav developed all of that ... and only he tested it ....
04:05
<vagrantc>
looking at the udev rule, i suspected it would work with local devices too
04:07
any block device with a filesystem, looks like to me.
04:07
<ogra>
sure, local devs work anyway
04:08
the problem were the static devices ... they have special dedicated code ...
04:08
<vagrantc>
right. the delayed mount stuff
04:09
<ogra>
you need a list of found devices in .static-mounts or so ...
04:09
the prb is that this list is generated from the initramfs initially ... then copied to /var/run ....
04:09
<vagrantc>
ogra: so, did having the broken symlinks actually cause it to fail to boot ?
04:09
<ogra>
i was never sure it survived the remounting of /var/run
04:09
nope
04:10
these symlinks seem not to be used at all
04:10
<vagrantc>
so, worst case scenario, the broken symlinks are just ugly.
04:10
<ogra>
yep
04:10
<vagrantc>
needless.
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<vagrantc>
well, that's good to know.
04:11
for being one of the debian maintainers of ltspfs ... it sure is a lot of black magic to me.
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04:12
<vagrantc>
well, i understand the packaging side. but how it actually works ... aieee!
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05:01
<cliebow>
ogra:your dhcpd.conf did fine..mine had the same info..the arp resolution slowed everything to a crawl
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05:02
<cliebow>
for nfs i had to tweak the root path to add host ip
05:04
i cant see why mine would boot g3 but not g4..maybe just impatience? but i let it go forever it seems like
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06:32
<mhterres>
hey guys
06:32
good morning/afternoon/night :-)
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<mhterres>
hey, I'm having a proble
06:33
m
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06:34
<mhterres>
when a thin client logoff, the GDM is not opening, the system stay in X, without calling any windows manager
06:35
and in ltspadmin the gdm appears like not running :-/
06:35
But if I turn off the computer without logoff no problems
06:36
so, if I logoff, X don't work anymore
06:36
very strange
06:36
hi jammcq
06:37
I didn't notice you are here :-)
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06:56
<mhterres>
kdm does not have this problem
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07:19
<asd>
hi
07:20
i have debian etch with a ltsp network
07:21
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
?
07:21
<asd>
but with WS i can see in the desktop the USB drive but is empty
07:21
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
when you put the USB it appears at the home?
07:22
<asd>
excuse for my english :/
07:22
<cliebow_>
asd: you have toi go thru the 12 step program at wiki.ltsp.org?
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07:22
<asd>
in the desktop it appear
07:22
but is empty
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07:23
<asd>
cliebow: yes
07:23
cliebow:_ yes
07:24
permissions?
07:24
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
a minute
07:24
<asd>
or fuse?
07:25
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
at the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.localdev
07:25
change it: /bin/ltspfsd ${LTSPFSD_OPTIONS}
07:25
to it: /bin/ltspfsd -a ${LTSPFSD_OPTIONS}
07:25
and try again
07:26
asd: where are you from?
07:26
<asd>
ok, only reseting the X?
07:26
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
no.. boot again
07:26
<asd>
the server?
07:26
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
no...
07:26
the station
07:27
<asd>
ah... ok ;)
07:27
wait
07:27
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ok
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07:29
<asd>
hi
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07:29
<asd>
nothing :_(
07:29
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: where are you from?
07:29
asd: so... it works here... it was the same problem
07:30
<asd>
in the gnome desktop appear the USB drive but is empty
07:30
im from spain...
07:30
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: I don't know how to help you.. we are using KDE... and at the Konqueror it mounts and appears the archives
07:31
<asd>
how to i can make a manual mount?
07:31
<rgusso-ltsp-br>
kaminski-ltsp-br: hi
07:32
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
rgusso-ltsp-br: hi ;)
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: ?
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07:32
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: do you want to write a manual?
07:33
<asd>
yes
07:34
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: following the stesps at wiki.ltsp.org I think it works... you can write the manual and send it to me...
07:35
<asd>
i already have two network with ltsp in debian eth but in that i downt know wath happen
07:36
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: and in the others the usb mount works?
07:36
<asd>
yes, perfectly
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
asd: strange ;)
07:37
<asd>
i put this /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp
07:38
but the desktop Temp directory is empty
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07:50
<dan__t>
My goddam T1 is down at work. Again.
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08:00
<jammcq>
g'morning
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08:01
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
mornin'
08:01
<dan__t>
'morning.
08:03
nothing terribly good about it, however ;)
08:03
<pscheie>
morning all
08:03
<dan__t>
howdy.
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08:04
<mhterres>
hey, I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 with ltsp4.2
08:05
<jammcq>
ok
08:05
Gadi: g'morning
08:05
<mhterres>
anybody having problems with GDM in this version of distro ?
08:05
<jammcq>
what's the problem?
08:05
<mhterres>
kdm works great, but gdm hangs when somebody logoff
08:05
hey jammcq
08:05
how u doing ?
08:05
<jammcq>
mhterres: hey marcelo
08:05
<mhterres>
April is coming and IFSF 8.0 too :-)
08:05
<jammcq>
doing great, looking forward to visiting porto alegre again
08:05
<mhterres>
I know :-)
08:06
<dan__t>
I have an issue with GDM not starting.
08:06
I have to start it manually.
08:06
<mhterres>
maybe this year I can go to eat some churrasco with u guys
08:07
after some user logoff, nobody can login anymore
08:07
<jammcq>
mhterres: yeah, bring your wife too. (Renata ?)
08:07
<mhterres>
I need to restart the server
08:07
jammcq, Yeah Renata :-)
08:07
<jammcq>
mhterres: yeah, easy for me to remember, my wife is 'Renee'
08:07
similar
08:07
<mhterres>
jammcq, I'll try, but I think she is onle with us on saturday this year
08:07
jammcq, Oh :-)
08:08
<jammcq>
dan__t: what distro are you using?
08:08
<dan__t>
FC6
08:08
Do I need to hit up runlevel 5?
08:08
<mhterres>
jammcq, any ideas in the gdm case ? Have you saw something like this before ?
08:08
<jammcq>
dan__t: "hit up" ?
08:09
<dan__t>
I didn't really think about that, I guess that'd make sense.
08:09
Boot into runlevel 5
08:09
<jammcq>
what runlevel are you in ?
08:09
<dan__t>
I boot into 3.
08:09
<jammcq>
well, gdm isn't configured to start in runlevel 3 on fedora
08:09
<mhterres>
and kdm is crazy, cause if somebody logoff, the server screen goes black
08:09
And I need to go to VT7 to restart to work :-)
08:10
And in my case, our client will use the server as a workstation
08:10
<jammcq>
mhterres: have you applied all updates for 6.06 ?
08:10
<mhterres>
yeah, even the backports in the ubuntu repository
08:11
<dan__t>
what is gdm known as from init?
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<jammcq>
dan__t: I think in fedora, gdm starts from /etc/inittab
08:11
prefdm, at the bottom of inittab
08:11
<dan__t>
Oh, ok
08:11
Interesting.
08:11
Shows you how much I know about X :/
08:12
<jammcq>
dan__t: it's not X, it's Fedora that does it this way. most others launch the display mgr from init scripts
08:13
<pscheie>
jammcq: I wonder if that's because FC ships both gdm and kdm (and xdm, too, I think)
08:14
does a standard debian come with multiplie display managers?
08:14
e.g., what does etch have
08:14
<jammcq>
pscheie: standard debian has all of them, but I think if you install Gnome, you get GDM, if you install KDE, you get KDM
08:14
<mhterres>
pscheie, Ubuntu, for example, come with gdm, Kubuntu with kdm
08:14
In my case I installed gdm, but I`m using Kubuntu
08:15
cause it works better (not in dapper, in my case)
08:15
but it works better in edgy than kdm
08:15
my problem is that I need a LTS distro for our client
08:15
<pscheie>
ah, now that I think about it, FC works the same way: gnome installs gdm, kde installs kdm
08:15
<mhterres>
and Dapper is the only one
08:16
<Gadi>
morning, jammcq
08:16
et al
08:16
<pscheie>
been spending so much time with K12LTSP lately that I've been able to get lazy about which one is installed
08:16* Gadi get coffee ... brb
08:17* mhterres - lunch time
08:19
<ogra_>
jammcq, i got it ! .... volume control out of the box works here ....
08:19
<jammcq>
ogra_: WOO HOOO !!!
08:19
<ogra_>
:)
08:19
<jammcq>
which volume control ?
08:19
<ogra_>
sound
08:19
<jammcq>
yeah, the Gnome volumne control applet ?
08:20
<ogra_>
you can just use the mixer applet
08:20
yeah
08:20
<jammcq>
AWESOME !
08:20
<ogra_>
next is capturing ... then i'm done with the new sound arch .,..
08:20
<pscheie>
ogra_: is this a gstreamer thing or pulse audio?
08:20* pscheie doesn't really understand the difference
08:20* jammcq wonders if Ogra knew what he was getting him self into a couple years ago when he agreed to take on the ltsp/edubuntu stuff
08:21
<ogra_>
its a combination of pulse, alsa and pulses esd emulation
08:21
jammcq, totally not
08:21
:)
08:21
<jammcq>
but no regrets... right?
08:21
<ogra_>
o love my job !
08:22
s/o/i/
08:22
<jammcq>
o love my job too :)
08:22
<ogra_>
even though edubuntu is only the playground for the more intresting stuff :)
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08:22
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:22
<ogra_>
scottiiiiee !!!!!
08:23
<sbalneav>
hey
08:23
<pscheie>
scoot beavens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:24
Gadi?
08:30
<Gadi>
present
08:30
<sbalneav>
Hey hey!
08:30
<Gadi>
sorta
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08:30
<Gadi>
Scotty!
08:30
<jammcq>
presents ?
08:30
Gadi: how's that little Ilan doing today?
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<Gadi>
he's doing great
08:30
<erdinc>
hi aLL
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<jammcq>
hello erdinc
08:31
<Gadi>
takes after his abba in that his eyes keep wandering and can't focus on one thing for too long .... ;)
08:31
<erdinc>
hi jim, I sent you a mail bytheway
08:32
<jammcq>
abba ? The swedish band ?
08:32
or was that finnish
08:32
<Gadi>
lol -sorry - daddy
08:32
:)
08:32
<erdinc>
swedish
08:32
they won the eurovision song contest in 170s
08:32
1970s sorry :)
08:32
<jammcq>
heh
08:33
<dan__t>
ok, rad - T1 is back up heh.
08:34
<Gadi>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_%28father%29
08:34
but, even wikipedia defaults to the band :)
08:34
<jammcq>
well.....
08:35
<dan__t>
Would it be appropriate to mention in the docs somewhere that DISPLAYMANAGER is not always set from /etc/sysconfig/desktop under Fedora-based servers, at least?
08:35
I believe that's what I've found, which I think to be quite odd, actually.
08:35
<erdinc>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba this will be better I guess :)
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08:37
<Gadi>
ah, waterloo. couldn't escape if I wanted to...
08:39
<jammcq>
dan__t: is it EVER set ?
08:39
<dan__t>
Doesn't look like it, no.
08:39
<jammcq>
it usually derives the display mgr from some goofy logic in prefdm
08:40
I think it usually goes by 'DESKTOP'
08:40
<dan__t>
I just looked in prefdm, /etc/sysconfig/desktop is the first place it looks.
08:40
<cliebow_>
BOY like old home week!! the gangs All here!
08:40
<dan__t>
Then it uses a series of fallbacks.
08:40
<jammcq>
dan__t: yeah, but it's looking for a couple of things in that file, to see if it can figure out what you want
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: hidy ho
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<dan__t>
It only looks for $DISPLAYMANAGER
08:42
<jammcq>
does it not look at DESKTOP ?
08:42
<dan__t>
Nosir.
08:42
<ogra_>
is that a new fedora ?
08:42
they switched to ConsoleKit already afaik
08:43
i doubt env vars will help there
08:43
<dan__t>
FC6.
08:43
I suppose you can look at it yourself if you wish :)
08:43
It reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop for a var named $DISPLAYMANAGER
08:43
<ogra_>
likely not .... i would have to install fedora somewhere
08:43
<dan__t>
Well, sources the file, then checks for it.
08:43
I'd be happy to pastebin it for ya
08:44
Just so long as it helps the cause.
08:44
<ogra_>
i know neither of the vars is used upstream or in ubuntu
08:47
<cliebow_>
dan__t:you trying to change displaymanager?
08:47
<dan__t>
No, just want it to start.
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<dan__t>
Has anyone mentioned any problems with a displaymanager not starting automagically under FC6?
08:48
<erdinc>
gdm?
08:48
<dan__t>
Correct.
08:48
<erdinc>
did you change /etc/initrd init level 5 to 3?
08:48
<cliebow_>
ogra_:i did get g4 to netboot from your config..dont understand why mine wouldnt with same info
08:49
<dan__t>
We have /etc/inittab, and it's set to runlevel 5.
08:49
er, damnit. maybe I should read next time:
08:49
# Run xdm in runlevel 5
08:50
x:5:once:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
08:50
change that to a 3, and I bet I'm set.
08:50
<erdinc>
:)
08:50
<dan__t>
d'oh. sorry to raise a fuss.
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<ogra_>
cliebow_, well ... no idea why yours didnt work ... i use my ibook as client for development atm (was to lazy to carry thin client, keyboard, mouse and display on the plane)
08:52
<cliebow_>
heh.cant blame you there..moving on to windows dhcp where i need it
08:53
here a bondi will boot..but neither g3 or g4
08:54
wierd a g3 would but not a g4 from linux with my config
08:54
i see arp is tremendously important in apple
08:54
<mhterres>
no way, I'll try to resolve the problem with kdm :-(
08:54
<cliebow_>
first kernel load took forever with interruptions by arp
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08:57* erdinc bye aLL..
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<ogra_>
jammcq, you know that you can detach a thin client in ltsp5 and if you plug the cable back in again it all just goes on working, right ?
08:58
(i fyou use ssh)
08:58
<jammcq>
ogra_: yeah, it works in 4.2 also
08:58
well, if you plug it back in fast enough
08:58
<ogra_>
with pulse even the sound just plays on :)
08:58
<pscheie>
Gadi: are you still here (I stepped away for a bit)
08:58
<ogra_>
well, i just plugged out my client for 10 min
08:58
replug .... music plays on ...
08:58
<jammcq>
ogra_: that's not necessarily a good thing
08:59
<ogra_>
well, its helpful for a shaky network ....
08:59
<jammcq>
xdmcp has that ping feature to avoid sessions lingering after disconnect
08:59* jammcq would rather have the session die on disconnect
09:02
<ogra_>
spec it for feisty+1 i'll write it ;)
09:06
<Gadi>
pscheie: in and out
09:06
sup?
09:07
<pscheie>
We here in Minnesota are planning our LTSP conference (NCLS) for this June, and I was wondering if you could come out and talk about Symbiont
09:07
we don't have exact dates yet
09:08
you, too, jammcq
09:08
<Gadi>
love to
09:08
let me know when you have dates
09:08
u near minneapolis?
09:08
<pscheie>
Jim Kronebusch and I (and another fellow) are getting together this weekend to plan it out
09:09
yes, we're in Mpls.
09:09
<Gadi>
cool - Nice city
09:09
<pscheie>
last year we had it in a school in St. Louis Park, a suburb right next to Mpls.
09:09
<Gadi>
stopped there when my wife and I drove back to the east coast from the west
09:09
<pscheie>
I live in SLP, and I'm one block away from the Mpls/SLP border
09:10
The other fellow, Jeremy Anderson, teaches Linux at a community college;
09:10
<Gadi>
sounds like fun
09:10
<pscheie>
he came last year when we had it at my (kids') high school
09:11
he said his college would host it this year, so we may go there this year
09:11
I have mixed feeling about moving because we're finally doing a pilot in my son's school and I'd like to show it off
09:12
OTOH, having someone within a school (I'm just a volunteer parent) like Jeremy can make some things easier
09:13
the high school is 5 minutes from my house; the comm. college is probably 25-30 minutes away, not as convenient for me
09:13
<Gadi>
"just"?
09:13
more power to you :)
09:13
<pscheie>
'just' means I don't have as much influence within the school, perhaps, as if I were an employee
09:14
I pitched LTSP to the district tech directory two years ago; nothing happened.
09:14
<Gadi>
public school?
09:14
<mhterres>
anybody using the ltsp server as a terminal and running kdm ?
09:14
<pscheie>
Then I pitched it to the superintendent in Oct. and she got it right away.
09:14
yes, public
09:15
she asked the tech dir. and his folks to put it in place; and now it's three months later and we've almost started
09:15
<Gadi>
great
09:15
<pscheie>
If I'd done the work myself, we could have been up and running in Nov.
09:16
I even provided the school with ~80 laptops to use as client machines
09:16
BTW, a big thanks to you for your OSS-ALSA sound package, without which sound would not be working on those laptops
09:18
so I'm somewhat inclined to hold it at Jeremy's college where the idea is welcomed rather than at the local school where they seem to try to ignore it.
09:18
but I like the high school location better.
09:19
Ironically, Jeremy lives right across the street from the high school
09:20
Anyway, I'd love to have you come out and talk about Symbiont, and maybe try to pound some education into my head to help me better understand sound.
09:20
which will 'just work' by then since we'll be on muekow, right?! :-)
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09:20
<Gadi>
yeah - toughest part about LTSP is keeping up with the changes
09:21
:)
09:21
<pscheie>
Scott said he thinks he can come down, as he did last year
09:22
Not sure about jammcq; we do it in June which means we kinda overlapped NELS last year, despite trying to avoid doing so
09:22
we'll try to avoid that again so people don't have conflicts
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09:23* pscheie would like to attend NELS one of these years
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09:25
<Gadi>
yeah, itd be great not to conflict with NELS
09:25
had a good time at NELS last year
09:25
<pscheie>
are you going to NELS this year?
09:25
<Gadi>
and, there are so few of these events, I'm sure you guys can coordinate
09:26
I would like to
09:26
<pscheie>
in June I mean?
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09:26
<Gadi>
I havent nailed anything down yet
09:26
June is a world away for me
09:26
I'm trying to make my way through January ;)
09:26
<mhterres>
hey guys, anybody here is having problems with GDM (Ubuntu Dapper, package version 2.14.10-0ubuntu1.1) and LTSP 4.2 ?
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09:35
<spacey>
mhterres: works for me, whats wrong?
09:36
<mhterres>
If some of the clients logoff, nobody else can't login
09:36
I need to restart gdm to works
09:36
even in the server
09:36
<spacey>
thats very particular
09:36
<mhterres>
yes
09:36
And it happens only in Edgy
09:37
oops
09:37
Dapper
09:37
cause I use it without problems in Edgy
09:37
<spacey>
we also use 2.14.10-0ubuntu1.1
09:37
no problems
09:38
<mhterres>
strange
09:38
If I logoff in server no problem
09:38
<spacey>
what happens if someone whats to login?
09:38
after it breaks
09:38
<mhterres>
for example
09:39
if I'm logged in some client and I ask to logoff, after the logoff, gdm doesn`t appear
09:39
just X
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09:39
<mhterres>
so, if I try to login from other client, same problem
09:39
and after that, if I logoff from server, server goes to console
09:40
I can't understand, it's very strange
09:40
but I can't logoff/login without any problems in server
09:40
the problem occurs in remote logoffs
09:41
<jammcq>
mhterres: I have 6.06 on my laptop, and I've set it up for doing LTSP demonstrations. I've had no problem at all with GDM
09:41
<mhterres>
unless, I try a remote logoff, cause after that no logins are available and the server logoff turn off gdm
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<mhterres>
jammcq, any ideas of how can I debug this problem ?
09:42
<jammcq>
send me your gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom files
09:42
<mhterres>
ok
09:42
what e-mail ?
09:42
<jammcq>
jam@ltsp.org
09:43
I'll compare them with mine
09:43
<mhterres>
ok
09:45
don
09:45
e
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09:45
<mhterres>
I didn't do nothing in the files, except the xdmcp modification
09:47
<jammcq>
mhterres: gdm.conf is identical. But.... gdm.conf-custom has some small differences
09:48
<mhterres>
hmmmm, I did not make any modification in gdm.conf-custom
09:48
<jammcq>
here's the diffjam@biglap:/etc/X11/gdm$ diff gdm.conf-custom /tmp/gdm.conf-custom
09:48
41d40
09:48
< DisallowTCP=false
09:48
48,49d46
09:48
< GraphicalTheme=happygnome
09:48
< SoundOnLogin=false
09:48
Mine has the lines starting with '<'
09:48
<mhterres>
ok
09:48
Nothing that could cause the break
09:49
<jammcq>
try mine, and see if it makes any difference
09:49
<mhterres>
ok
09:49
<jammcq>
I'm using 2.14.10-0ubuntu1
09:49
you are using ubuntu1.1
09:49
<mhterres>
hmmm,
09:50
I think that it came from Backports
09:50
<jammcq>
no, I think I just haven't installed the update
09:50
<mhterres>
hmmmm, maybe
09:50
<jammcq>
becuase 1.1 is available for me to install
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09:52
<mhterres>
I'm testing it
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<ogra>
jammcq, ubuntu1.1 is a security update shouldnt make a difference
09:54
<mhterres>
after the remote logoff, I had to kill gdm cause the initscript didn't stop it
09:54
<jammcq>
ogra: *shouldn't*
09:54
<mhterres>
I think the problem persist
09:54
but let me try again
09:54
<ogra>
mount -t nfs 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/powerpc /mnt
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09:54
<efra>
Morning everybody
09:54
<mhterres>
morning
09:55
<jammcq>
hello
09:55
<ogra>
mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/powerpc: can't read superblock
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<ogra>
jammcq, ^^^^ ever seen that one ?
09:55
<jammcq>
superblock ???? on an NFS mount ?
09:55
<ogra>
the funniest bug i came across this year yet :)
09:55
<jammcq>
the year is young :)
09:56
<ogra>
the bugs are many :)
09:56
(not in ltsp though)
09:56
i was surrounded by head scratching kernel devs 5 mins ago *g*
09:57
<jammcq>
ogra: where are you ?
09:57
<cliebow_>
jammq:give me you tcpdump command for verbose reports
09:57
<ogra>
oslo
09:57
<cliebow_>
?
09:57
<jammcq>
wow
09:57
<ogra>
feisty development sprint
09:57
<jammcq>
cool
09:57
cliebow_: what are you looking for?
09:57
<ogra>
yes, -5°C
09:57
<jammcq>
verbose is just -v (or multiple -vvv)
09:57
<cliebow_>
well im looking at dhcp in wireshark..as well as arp resolution
09:58
<jammcq>
ogra: it's -7C here
09:58
<cliebow_>
for netboot from windows to g4
09:58
<ogra>
its +8 at home :(
09:58
<jammcq>
cliebow_: if you want to capture a packet trace to feed to wireshark/ethereal, then you need:
09:58
tcpdump -i eth -s 1520 -w /tmp/tcpdump.out
09:58
<cliebow_>
coolio
10:00
<mhterres>
the problem persists :-(
10:00
<jammcq>
mhterres: how are they logging out?
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10:01
<mhterres>
using the option in menu
10:03
before I tried to remote logoff, ps ax show me 2 gdm processes
10:03
after the remote logoff, just one is there
10:03
<jammcq>
that would be correct
10:03
the parent gdm
10:04
listens for incoming connections. when you connect, it forks a new gdm to handle the login
10:04
<mhterres>
I know
10:04
but when I logoff, a new process should be opened or not ?
10:04
<jammcq>
no
10:04
<mhterres>
to handle the new remote logoff ?
10:04
<jammcq>
when you log off, the forked gdm should go away
10:05
there's no "handling the remote logoff"
10:05
<mhterres>
yes, but after the logoff, a new login window should appear, or not ?
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10:05
<mhterres>
with a new child gdm process
10:05
<jammcq>
yes, after a few seconds. Have you done something to modify LTSP ?
10:05
<mhterres>
no, nothing
10:05
<jammcq>
didn't mfdutra do some kind of load-balancing?
10:06
<mhterres>
no no
10:06
<jammcq>
different server?
10:06
<mhterres>
It's a simple installation with 5 terminals
10:06
<jammcq>
oh
10:06
<mhterres>
I'll try to reinstall it, cause I just made a tarball in the other server and open in this server
10:06
<jammcq>
hmm
10:06
look at the startx script
10:07
and look at lts.conf
10:07
<mhterres>
ok
10:08
how is the development of ltsp 5 ?
10:08
did you determine a date to release the new version ?
10:08
<jammcq>
it's already released.
10:08
<mhterres>
I'm very curious about it
10:08
<jammcq>
it's in Ubuntu
10:08
and debian
10:08
<mhterres>
In Edgy ?
10:09
<jammcq>
yep
10:09
and it was in dapper
10:09
although Edgy's LTSP is probably the best yet
10:09
<mhterres>
But don't it have a package distro-free like in 4.2 ?
10:09
<jammcq>
no
10:09
LTSP-5 is based on distro packages. So, we can't really have a "generic" release
10:09
<mhterres>
Hmmmm, I'll install it in my machine. It's our LTSP server
10:10
Yeah, I read about it
10:10
<jammcq>
what we can have is a tarball of Ubuntu's LTSP, that you could install anywhere
10:10
<mhterres>
Hmm, great idea
10:10
But in this case I'll stay with 4.2, cause I'm using Dapper
10:10
and I'll put 5.0 in my machine :-0
10:10
:-)
10:11
great, will you talk about this in the forum ?
10:11
<jammcq>
yep
10:11
absolutely
10:11
<mhterres>
great
10:11
<jammcq>
and I'll demonstrate it
10:11
and scott will talk about local devices
10:11
and some other stuff
10:11
<mhterres>
scott will come again ???
10:11
great :-)
10:11
<jammcq>
hopefully
10:12
<mhterres>
we are making some modifications in ltsp scripts to local devices work in windows ts clients running with rdesktop
10:12
works great
10:13
after the implementation, we can put it in wiki
10:13
<jammcq>
cool. You should work with Gadi, he's doing alot of work in that area
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10:14
<mhterres>
great, I'll ask to Guaraldo to talk to him
10:14
jammcq, Guaraldo is working with us in Propus
10:14
<jammcq>
cool, new guy?
10:14
<mhterres>
You'll meet him in forum
10:14
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Hi...
10:14
<mhterres>
yep
10:14
<jammcq>
hey Guaraldo
10:15
<mhterres>
he's working in the USB question with TS
10:16
I asked him to talk with Gadi
10:17
if we can contribute in the project it will be great :-)
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10:18
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Hi, I'm working on a USB quastion of LTSP.
10:19
Gadi: Precisely, I want to make USB storage devices accessible on rdesktop connections.
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10:20
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: I've found a way (mounting USB storage devices),
10:21
Gadi: but when disconnecting USB storage without waiting nearly 30 seconds, some data are lost.
10:22
Gadi: On Linux Terminals it doesn't happens. Only using rdesktop envolviment.
10:23
Gadi: I mean, on XDMCP it doesn't happens, only on rdesktop.
10:24
<mhterres>
I reinstalled ltsp
10:24
let's see know
10:24
jammcq, how about the ltsp packages from dapper ?
10:35
no, the same problem
10:38
kdm works better, but any time that someone execute a remote logoff, I need to press CTRL+ALT+F7 to return to X, cause the screen goes black
10:39
this happens onle in the server, but in this case, the server will be used like a normal workstation
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10:39
<dan__t>
What takes precidence, resolutions from /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or lts.conf's X_MODE_N?
10:39
precedence, rather
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10:46
<ogra_>
sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp did i show you this already ?
10:47
<sbalneav>
Yes! You mentioned it friday, but hadn't uploaded it yet!
10:47
<mhterres>
hey sbalneav
10:47
<sbalneav>
Hello mhterres!!
10:47
<mhterres>
are you coming to ifsf 8.0 ???
10:47
:-)
10:47
<sbalneav>
I hope so!!!
10:48
<ogra_>
sbalneav, i uploaded it friday evening, but Mithrandir didnt unqueue it yet
10:48
it sits in new
10:48
<mhterres>
sbalneav, great :-)
10:52
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Hi...
10:52
sbalneav: Hi, I'm working on a USB quastion of LTSP.
10:52
sbalneav: Precisely, I want to make USB storage devices accessible on rdesktop connections.
10:52
sbalneav: I've found a way (mounting USB storage devices localy),
10:53
sbalneav: but when disconnecting USB storage without waiting nearly 30 seconds, some data are lost.
10:53
sbalneav: On Linux Terminals (XDMCP) it doesn't happens, only on rdesktop envolviment.
10:54
sbalneav: Can you halp me?
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11:08
<mhterres>
after I install the ltsp-server package do I need to run ltsp-build-client ?
11:08
is it ?
11:08
dapper ok
11:08
?
11:14
<Gadi>
ogra_: ok, I am having a senior moment. If I want to start xinit from inittab (or init.d) without a display manager and have it run a program as a different user, I ....
11:14
damn, brain...
11:17
<mhterres>
am I right ?
11:18
<ogra_>
mhterres, rather edgy ... but yes, thats ok ... see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
11:19
Gadi, oh man, thats ages ago that i did such hackish stuff :)
11:19
<Gadi>
heh
11:19
<ogra_>
use screen script and call it from lts.conf ?
11:20
s/use/use a/
11:20
<Gadi>
yeah, I was thinking about just grabbing all the screen script code
11:20
or just giving xinit enough of an environment to get going
11:21
<ogra_>
that should be available already
11:21
<Gadi>
I was just thinking that I was forgetting something like "Just drop it in Xsession.d" ...
11:21
<ogra_>
ldm or startx work ....
11:21
that would also be an option
11:21
<Gadi>
I am doing this on another system (not a terminal)
11:22
<ogra_>
well, then use ~/.xsession or Xsession.d
11:22
<Gadi>
and what do I run from inittab?
11:22
<mhterres>
great, it's downloading the packages :-)
11:22
<Gadi>
(as I dont want a dm)
11:22
<ogra_>
write an initscript ?
11:23
i'D not put it into inittab
11:23
<Gadi>
and launch startx?
11:23
from init
11:23
or execute Xsession directly?
11:23
<ogra_>
depends ... do you need the machine for other stuff or other users as well ?
11:24
<Gadi>
nope
11:24
<ogra_>
well, then just do what ldm does ;)
11:24
<Gadi>
k
11:24
<ogra_>
(call /etc/X11/Xsession)
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<mhterres>
the ltsp-update-kernels package put my kernel in the ltsp environment ?
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ltsp-update-kernels command, no package, oops
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or it gets the latest ubuntu kernel ?
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<asd>
hi all
11:49
i have debian etch but only root can see cd, usb... in the desktop
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<asd>
is correct this? ls -lh /dev/fuse: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-01-22 18:43 /dev/fuse
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and the user is in fuse group
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WHY???
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please, help...
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<pscheie>
asd: have you gone through the troubleshooting checklist on the wiki?
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<asd>
yes, i follow all the steps
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what permissions have the WS user?
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to mount with ltspfs?
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<pscheie>
send the output of ALL the steps in the checklist to sbalneav@ltsp.org and he might be able to tell you what's wrong
11:57
he's the dev who wrote it
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but don't leave any steps out or he can't help
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<asd>
ltspfs pc8:/tmp kk/
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fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
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in the desktop i can see the device folder but is empty
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: can I use the #ltsp-br ?
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<dan__t>
hi.
12:56
i'm bored
12:56
ltsp is radical.
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<vagrantc>
i'd say LTSP is merely politically pragmatic.
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<mhterres>
ltsp is looking for rc.early_sysinit
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this file does not exist :-9
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:-(
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what happened ?
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I'm installing mknbi
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is it ?
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<jammcq>
that file should be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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<mhterres>
it doesn't exists
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:-(
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<jammcq>
if it's not there, then you are probably using a LTSP-4.2 kernel with LTSP-5 tree
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<mhterres>
I'm using the dapper packages
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<jammcq>
yeah, but you are using the wrong kernel
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<mhterres>
ltsp-server 0.87
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<jammcq>
rc.early_sysinit is a LTSP-4.2 thing
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<mhterres>
I know
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<jammcq>
check your dhcpd.conf
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<mhterres>
but what's the dhcp version in dapper ?
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5?
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<jammcq>
dhcp version ?
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doesn't matter
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<mhterres>
sorry
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ltsp
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heheeh
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<jammcq>
dapper, using Ubuntu's LTSP? it's mostly LTSP-5
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only we didn't call it LTSP-5 then
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<mhterres>
Hmmm, that's it
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I'm booting from our ltsp (4.2) and tryng to run a ltsp 5
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thx
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<mhterres>
ltsp should not create the /tftpboot directory ?
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<vagrantc>
mhterres: what distro?
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<mhterres>
dapper
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<vagrantc>
tftp files go in /var/lib/tftpboot by default
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for debian and ubuntu
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<mhterres>
I found it
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<mathesis>
i have a error to load kernel
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<vagrantc>
please tell us the error.
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<mhterres>
now is the keyboard that is not working :-)
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<mathesis>
Me: 192.168.0.29, DHCP 192.168.0.1 Gateway 192.168.0.254 Loading 192.168.0.1:/var/lib/tftpboot/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 .TFTP error 1 (File not found) Unable to load file
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<vagrantc>
looks like you're trying to download an LTSP 4.x kernel ...
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<vagrantc>
you need to configure DHCP, see the example file in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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and note that, by default tftp servers usually use relative paths ... i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot is / to the tftp server
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<mathesis>
vagrantc: por default tfp esta en /tftpboot/ lo cambie a /var/lib/tftpboot
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<mathesis>
ltsp4.2
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mathesis i have path correct
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: por que. it is to comply with the FHS ....
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mathesis: grep filename dhcpd.conf
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<mathesis>
filename "vmunix.passacaglia";
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<vagrantc>
pero ... /var/lib/tftpboot/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 ....
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invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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pero ...
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no se.
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mathesis: grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<mathesis>
privado vagrantc
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<spectra>
jammcq: hello buddy.
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<sahil>
is there some special linking i need to do between nic interfaces?
15:27
i cant seem to get a dhcp address from the larger network
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<vagrantc>
you'd need to set up a dhcp relay and proper routing, i think ...
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<sahil>
how would i go about doing that?
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<sahil>
eth0 is ltsp nic and eth1 is larger network
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<vagrantc>
never done it, don't really know.
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<sahil>
but it still needs the address first before i do relay and routing correct?
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<vagrantc>
sahil: usually, in that case, you'd set up a dhcp server on the ltsp server that only responds on the ltsp network
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<vagrantc>
and either set up routing or NAT to give internet access. though in a traditional LTSP environment, you usually don't need NAT or routing.
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<sahil>
vagrantrc:which is what i have done we're in a foreign environment and for some reason eth1 the nic without the dhcp server isn't getting an ip
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<vagrantc>
sahil: you have to assign that manually.
15:31
sahil: not in dhcp
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<sahil>
static ip for internet?
15:31
<vagrantc>
sahil: just for the0 (the ltsp network)
15:31
eth0
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<sahil>
yeah i think eth0 is fine dhcp is set up fine
15:32
im just unable to get a network address for the other nic in order to use internet
15:32
im able to do it on other computers though using the same nic
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<vagrantc>
you said eth0 was the ltsp nic and eth1 is larger network ... ??
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<sahil>
just not the server
15:32
correct
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<vagrantc>
what linux distro?
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<sahil>
gentoo
15:33
<vagrantc>
probably ask on one of the gentoo channels how to configure eth1 to recieve dhcp ...
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<sahil>
yeah thats what im doing funny thing is it was getting one last night
15:35
one another network
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<dan__t>
baaah.
15:50
my setup just bombed hard.
15:52
gaim and firefox left and right have 800+ virtual memory footprints.
15:53
<g333k_work>
Hello I had some problem installing ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10, I cannot configure xdmcp because it didnt find the inittab file, any clue why?
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<vagrantc>
g333k_work: did you install the ltsp included with ubuntu first? it's likely to conflict with ltsp 4.2 in a number of ways ....
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<g333k_work>
vagrantc, nop
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<juan_>
se vagrantc
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<mathesis>
add other thin-client the server ltsp
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when start sinc out limit display monitor
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<vagrantc>
X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH en lts.conf
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<paolob-parroquia>
Hi guys! I had a hd failure, and I had to restore the hd to a new one from a backuppc backup. I restored all (I think...), but the clients can't boot well, they only arrive at asking an IP. Any idea what do I lack or miss? thank you!
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<hugo>
how to activate localdefs and sound in ltsp 5 (edubuntu)?
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<vagrantc>
hugo: you need to install ltspfs on the server, ltspfsd in the chroot, add your users to the fuse group on the server, and add LOCALDEV=True to /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf
18:24
hugo: and SOUND=True to /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf
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hugo: something like this: sudo apt-get install ltspfs ; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfsd ; sudo adduser USERNAME fuse
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hugo: if lts.conf doesn't exist, create it.
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with [Default] as the first line
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<hugo>
had everything except the users in the fuse group
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tnx!
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
21:11* chupacabra installs ltsp in ubuntu
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<chupacabra>
hey scotty
21:12
<sbalneav>
Hey chupacabra!
21:12
How's it going?
21:12
<chupacabra>
good.
21:13
still breathing air
21:13
actually doing ltsp stuff now
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<sbalneav>
Cool.
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<chupacabra>
isc dhcpd is sorta different
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:27
<sbalneav>
Hey hey
21:27
<jammcq>
chupacabra: hey, how's it goin?
21:31
<chupacabra>
coolio. wazzup
21:31
<jammcq>
just insanely busy, that's all
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<mathesis>
se vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi!!!
22:08
<sbalneav>
Hey vagrantc!
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<mathesis>
vagrantc: un thin client Sinc. Fuera Imite
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the monitor out limit sincronizacion
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: es dependiente que el monitor y tarjeta de .. video
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sbalneav: still crazy busy are work, or is the big transition mellowing out a bit?
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<mathesis>
i want a change monitor
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<sbalneav>
Mellowed. I'm getting back into things.
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<mathesis>
i am change monitor
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is the monitor
22:15
intercambie los cables y fine
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: "fine" ?
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<mathesis>
cambie los monitores y funciono bien
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<vagrantc>
ah, si. otra monitores usa otra ... sync rates
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<mathesis>
sync rates
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<vagrantc>
HorizSync y VertRefresh
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<mathesis>
how config sync rates in the
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como quedaria la linea
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H 30-55 kHz.
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<mathesis>
V 50-120 kHz
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<vagrantc>
en lts.conf X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH
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pero, yo olvido cual para H y cual para V
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pienso H para X_HORZSYNC , por ejemplo: X_HORZSYNC = 30-55
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X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120
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<mathesis>
vagrantc: XSERVER=ati
22:20
correcto?
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<vagrantc>
no se. es dependiente
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cuanda la tarjeta es "ati", si ...
22:20
cuando
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<mathesis>
http://pastebin.ca/325386
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cuando modifico lts.conf reboot the server or services?
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<vagrantc>
solo los clientes
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<mathesis>
miraste el http://pastebin.ca/325386
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: que quiere?
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<mathesis>
el monitor sigue out limit sync
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<vagrantc>
trata otra numeros para X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH ...
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<mathesis>
vagrantc: ATI RAGE PRO TURBO esa es mi card video
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: cual monitor?
22:52
<mathesis>
http://www.samsung.com/mx/products/monitor/cdt/syncmaster551v.asp
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: necesita buscar por informacian de HorizSync y VertRefresh ...
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mathesis: hay mucho posibilidades
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<mathesis>
http://www.pcenlinea.com/mp/19877.html
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H 30-55 kHz
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V 50-120 kHz
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vagrantc: son las unicas que veo en todas partes
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: yo no se. trata otra numeros ...
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trata H 28-60 V 48-90
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