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Channel log from 4 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<daduke>
!seen vagrantc
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<ltspbot`>
daduke: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: * vagrantc waves
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<daduke>
!seen ogra_cmpc
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<ltspbot`>
daduke: ogra_cmpc was last seen in #ltsp 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <ogra_cmpc> !debian
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!seen hari_
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<ltspbot`>
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01:09
<johnny>
daduke, are you involved in ltsp devel in some fashion? or support? or something else?
01:09
you sure look for those guys alot
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01:13
<hari_>
hi ogra_cmpc : i have installed new proprietary driver in chroot for ltsp. but have some problem during installation. when i installed fglrx kernel source i got message that /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/build not found. How to get that directory into chroot since it's already in normal filesystem? regards..
01:15
<daduke>
johnny: I'm what I would call 'advanced user'. From time to time I find an issue or two to be discussed with the big shots
01:17
<muh2000_>
the geode package isnt releases yet, is it?
01:17
for debian sid /xorg
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01:27
<Pascal_Debian>
salut !
01:29
<daduke>
Pascal_Debian: salut!
01:32
<Pascal_Debian>
are you fine ?
01:33
<daduke>
Pascal_Debian: me? I am indeed. how about you?
01:35
<Pascal_Debian>
really fine
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02:35
<daduke>
vagrantc: howdy. I just finished a Makefile that generates a 219M iso that turns any hw supported PC into an LTSP terminal.
02:36
<vagrantc>
daduke: why a Makefile ?
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<vagrantc>
daduke: but other than that, very cool! :)
02:36
<daduke>
vagrantc: why not? it's a convenient way to combine all needed commands
02:36
<johnny>
ok.. got some work done tonight... yay
02:36
published in my personal bzr overlay
02:37
err branch.. the overlay is in git..
02:37
<vagrantc>
daduke: seems like an ltsp-build-client plugin or separate command would be better ...
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<yanu>
how can i make sure that the session-choise stays remimberd
02:38
<johnny>
sleep time for now
02:38
<yanu>
i always have to chose a session before logging in with ldm?
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02:39
<daduke>
vagrantc: well for me a Makefile is just perfect. If you want to make a plugin out of it, be my guest ;)
02:39
vagrantc: I'm gonna apply some polish now, then I'll be happy to share
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04:51
<muh2000>
hi
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04:58
<daduke>
muh2000: hey. geode working now?
04:58
<muh2000>
daduke: no :(
04:58
<daduke>
muh2000: etch? why not?
04:58
<muh2000>
neither etch nor sid
04:59
<daduke>
muh2000: we have 20+ alixes here.... all working fine
04:59
<muh2000>
when i try to start x with a driver it goes back to the login screen and the screen blinks
04:59
hmm
05:00
<ogra_cmpc>
but you see the login screen ?
05:00
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc: console login screen. not a x login screen
05:00
<ogra_cmpc>
ah
05:01
<daduke>
muh2000: and which driver are you using?
05:01
<muh2000>
daduke: i tried amd geode nsc vesa vga
05:02
<daduke>
muh2000: did you try mine?
05:05
<muh2000>
daduke: yes. did not work :(
05:06
<daduke>
muh2000: this is weird. I use a plain vanilla ltsp-created etch chroot, copy the amd driver and off we go.
05:07
<muh2000>
the configure-x script does not seem to work too. when i execute it al it shows a curser doing nothing
05:08
<laga>
muh2000: it temporarily starts X -configure, then it writes a xorg.conf. in ubuntu at least.
05:08
<daduke>
muh2000: are you explicitly giving XSERVER = amd in lts.conf? configure-x doesn't know about amd I think
05:09
<muh2000>
daduke: when i try configure-x it is without xserver=amd
05:11
<daduke>
muh2000: my setup also uses configure-x to generate xorg.conf, I have xserver=amd in lts.conf and it's just working fine
05:12
muh2000: what does your xorg.conf look like on the alix?
05:12
<muh2000>
daduke: nothing special. i edited it now with vi.
05:13
hmmm no use :/
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05:41
<vagrantc>
so, i need to figure out how to support multi-seat stuff with a single monitor.
05:41
some crazy nested X server thing or something
05:41
<laga>
vagrantc: i've got a multiseat setup, so let me know if you need a pointer or two..
05:41
<vagrantc>
laga: with multiple monitors ?
05:41
<laga>
vagrantc: two VGA cards, two monitors.
05:42
<vagrantc>
laga: yeah, the craziest part of this is needing to fit two seats at a single desk... and two small monitors will be harder to find and take up more space than one large one.
05:43
<laga>
oh, i didn't know you were worried about the seats.
05:43
i solved that problem by added a couch for the second VGA cards (it's in fact driving my TV ;))
05:43
<vagrantc>
it's a physical space issue
05:43
<laga>
ah
05:43
<vagrantc>
limited physical space in a school
05:44
<laga>
i thought you were talking about a dev environment
05:47
<vagrantc>
nope
05:47
:)
05:47
<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc, do you have any clues about the debian-edu package ?
05:48
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: could you be more specific? :)
05:49
<ogra_cmpc>
its FTBFS in ubuntu, so i had to take a look ... whats all that edubuntu stuff doing in there ?
05:49
<vagrantc>
ah, not sure on that.
05:49
<ogra_cmpc>
(despite being totally nonsense its also totally broken, what do you do with the CD .list files ?)
05:50
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: how much sense does it make to have on ubuntu ?
05:50
<ogra_cmpc>
they dont list anything usable for desktop cds for example (only the d-i bits used for isolinux to boot that thing)
05:50
vagrantc, i heard people like things like the -astronomy package
05:51
but given that you use cfengine its very likely to break ubuntu policies (i.e. no conffile prompts on upgardes)
05:51
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: at any rate, i'm not real familiar with the debian-edu packages, but i'm in good position to pass bug reports on :)
05:52
<ogra_cmpc>
i didnt look at it for ages, but now a colleague tries to fix the ftbfs ... not sure what to do here, my gut feeling would be removal but i dont want to be chaqnsed by upset users
05:52
*chased down
05:54
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: basically, debian bug #311188 is getting close to being closed.
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
whats #311188 about ?
05:55
<yanu>
are there problems with 'intel 82810E'?
05:55
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: #311188
05:55
debian-edu-config: Messes "programmatically" with conffiles of other packages
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
ah
05:55
<yanu>
every time i load a internetpage from my webserver with a great load of pictures, than X crashes
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
how did you get around it ?
05:55
<yanu>
i already changed from nbd to nfs, no help there
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
yanu, thats very likely a firefox bug
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05:56
<yanu>
ogra_cmpc: no, konqueror does the same thing, epi... also
05:56
<ogra_cmpc>
yanu, you are using something younger than firefox 3 i guess
05:56
<yanu>
ya
05:56
<ogra_cmpc>
epi is just a different frontend for firefox ...
05:57
not sure why konqueror would crash though
05:57
<yanu>
konqueror uses khtml
05:57
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: mostly by working with package maintainers to make messing with their conffiles not necessary.
05:57
ogra_cmpc: i.e. through use of debconf questions, conf.d type stuff, etc.
05:57
ogra_cmpc: or switching to things that support programmatic configuration
05:57
<yanu>
when i connect directly with my laptop, everything is fine though
05:57
<ogra_cmpc>
its a known fact that the older firefox blindly writes to Xs pixbuf cache, no matter if there is space or not
05:58
that makes X riun out of ram and hardlocks the clients
05:58
<yanu>
only on terminals?
05:59
X only crashes when logging in on a terminal (ldm, nfs or nbd) on a server upgraded from edgy over fiesty to hardy
06:00
the problem was also on edgy
06:00
<laga>
what about gutsy? ;)
06:00
<yanu>
on my debian that is my test-webserver , the problem doesn't exists
06:00
<ogra_cmpc>
which firefox version ?
06:01
firefox 2 had the problem all over
06:01
<yanu>
2.0.0.13 on debian
06:01
<ogra_cmpc>
its known and has been heavily discussed for months on the edubuntu mailing list
06:01
(and is definately fixed in ff3)
06:02
<yanu>
so i have to install ff3 ?
06:02
hmm is that even possible on gutsy?
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<yanu>
ogra_cmpc: installed firefox3 , started the terminal, same crash
06:24
ogra_cmpc: so it is not a firefoxbug
06:24
<ogra_cmpc>
well, there is a firefox bug, but it might be that its not what causes you crash actually
06:24
what graphics HW do your clients have ?
06:25
<yanu>
inter 82810E
06:25
i see in .xsession-error something like this:
06:25
can't lock memory: Cannot allocate memoryWARNING: net using secure memory for passwords
06:28
but that has something to do with seahorse-agent
06:36
<vagrantc_>
ogra_cmpc: so, your ltsp-client-builder udeb gets somewhat meaningful results from the progress bar now ?
06:36
<ogra_cmpc>
no
06:36
it does for the image build steap
06:37
but still not for ltsp-build-client (which i call with --skipimage)
06:37
<vagrantc_>
sep and are are thinking a little of how to maybe get some progress ...
06:37
<ogra_cmpc>
tricky
06:37
i tried for weeks and gave up again
06:37
(in several releases)
06:38
<vagrantc_>
right...
06:38
<ogra_cmpc>
debconf doesnt work if you run more than one instance stacked
06:38
sadly there are three ...
06:39
<vagrantc_>
and we can't redirect stdout on ltsp-build-client to a file we could parse?
06:39
<ogra_cmpc>
and two of them claim the frontend already
06:39
thats darn ugly
06:39
nothing i would merge
06:39
<vagrantc_>
ogra_cmpc: not that you give me the option to merge it :P
06:39
<ogra_cmpc>
do it properly with the passthrough frontend and file descriptors
06:40
<vagrantc_>
problem is, we don't really have any sort of progress reporting for ltsp-build-client itself ...
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<jammcq>
g'morning
06:40
<ogra_cmpc>
the prob is that you have a chroot inside a chroot
06:40
<vagrantc_>
i've sometimes thought if it could output some marker each time a plugin is loaded, that would be helpful..
06:41
<ogra_cmpc>
either that or know the final target size and do an occasional df -h on the target dir
06:41
<vagrantc_>
that seems uglier yet ...
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06:42* vagrantc_ ponders a ltsp-build-client --number-of-plugins option
06:43
<vagrantc_>
would have to hook into load_plugins function ... which would then also need to log which plugins it loaded ...
06:44
<ogra_cmpc>
like debug you mean ?
06:44
<vagrantc_>
yeah, basically like debug ... but i think it would be easier if it logged to a separate file rather than just stdout
06:44
<ogra_cmpc>
right
06:44
make a --debug-log
06:45
<vagrantc_>
nice.
06:45
<ogra_cmpc>
and just trhow that into /tmp/ltsp-debug.log or so
06:45
<vagrantc_>
well, /var/log/ltsp-build-client.log, maybe
06:45
<ogra_cmpc>
configurable with --logfile if you feel the urge for configurability :)
06:46
i wouldnt log to /var/log from the installer ... move it to /target/var/log/installer at the end rather
06:46* vagrantc_ tends to get that urge and sometimes gets bitten by it
06:46
<vagrantc_>
ogra_cmpc: well, ltsp-build-client is run within /target already
06:46
<ogra_cmpc>
i know :) thats why i mentioned it :)
06:47
as much as i love to hardcode default cases you are liking to configure the world .. thats why we make such a good coding team ;)
06:47
<vagrantc_>
heh
06:51
hmmm... --debug doesn't work soon enough.
06:51
<ogra_cmpc>
to get a progress bar ?
06:51
come on
06:52
<vagrantc_>
well, probably will work soon enough for that, but it kicks in too late in general
06:52
<ogra_cmpc>
its better than having it sit at 50% for half an hour surely
06:52
<vagrantc_>
indeed, i'm just noticing something i noticed before ... that debug doesn't kick in as soon as i'd like.
06:53
<ogra_cmpc>
http://gumptravels.blogspot.com/2008/04/installing-ubuntu-804-ltsp-or-edubuntu.html
06:53* ogra_cmpc smiles
06:57
<vagrantc_>
hrm.
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<Pascal_1>
hello
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<debaya1>
Hi everyone
07:56
i am Debayan from India
07:56
i am having trouble installing kiwi ltsp
07:57
anyone here affiliated to kiwi-ltsp??
07:57
http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/debayan/kiwi.txt
07:57
here is the output
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<debaya1>
cyberorg: you there? please help me out
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<cyberorg>
debaya1, you need 32bit DVD or iso to create image
08:01
what media are you using?
08:02
<debaya1>
ya i have 32 bit unzipped iso opensuse 10.3
08:02
in a folder
08:02
and i am using yast2 in the source type in /etc/sysconfig
08:02
<cyberorg>
why unzipped iso?
08:02
<debaya1>
i mean mount -o loop -t iso9660
08:02
not unzipped
08:02
sorry
08:02
<cyberorg>
just mount the DVD iso somewhere
08:03
<debaya1>
ya i did
08:03
its mounted only....
08:03
<cyberorg>
debaya1, it might be damaged, or is not 32bit DVD5 media, promo DVD, retail DVD or other media will not work
08:04
<debaya1>
hmmm
08:04
explain to me these lines
08:04
Apr-04 18:03:47 <1> : Setting RPM signature check to: False failed Apr-04 18:03:48 <3> : chroot: cannot run command `smart': No such file or directory Apr-04 18:03:48 <3> : Image installation failed failed
08:04
i have smart installed
08:04
<cyberorg>
debaya1, bad installation media
08:04
<debaya1>
okok
08:04
<cyberorg>
smart is not installed in chroot
08:05
<debaya1>
how do i do it?
08:05
<cyberorg>
debaya1, kiwi will do it, if you have correct installation source
08:05
32 bit DVD5 iso
08:05
<debaya1>
ok
08:05
i will see
08:06
tell me another thing please
08:06
after i download the prebuilt image... i will wget it
08:06
what do i do with it??
08:06
where do i copy?
08:06
<cyberorg>
debaya1, it is rpm, just install it
08:07
<debaya1>
o ok
08:07
i thought i had to copy it into some directory
08:07
cool
08:08
ok i wanted to know.... why is it not integrated into openSUSE?
08:08
who decides what goes into the openSUSE distro?
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09:02
<daduke>
vagrantc, ogra_cmpc, Gadi: in case anyone's interested: https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/241 describes how to create USB and CD live images that turn any machine into an LTSP client
09:05
<vagrantc>
daduke: ah, you're using live-helper from debian-live ?
09:05
<daduke>
vagrantc: I do.
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09:06
<Guaraldo>
daduke: WOW!!! Nice...
09:06
<vagrantc>
daduke: so you skip ltsp-build-client entirely?
09:06
<daduke>
vagrantc: indeed.
09:06
Guaraldo: thanks.
09:07
<vagrantc>
daduke: makes me wonder if it could be incorporated into debian-live's flavours or whatever they're called.
09:08
<daduke>
vagrantc: I don't know them, but yes, why not. note that lts.conf is hardwired tho..
09:08
<vagrantc>
daduke: yeah, i see a fair bit of hard-coding :)
09:08
<daduke>
vagrantc: whatever is takes to get it running.
09:09
<vagrantc>
daduke: sure :)
09:09
having something codified at all makes it possible to generalize later :)
09:12
daduke: i';m curious why you used ltsp-client-core instead of ltsp-client ... ?
09:12* gvy back
09:13
<daduke>
vagrantc: I think -client pulls -core, doesn't it? I probably might just as well have used -client
09:13
<vagrantc>
daduke: yes, ltsp-client depends on ltsp-client-core and a number of other packages ... the only thing would be if ltsp-client depends on more packages than you actually way
09:13
s,way,want
09:14
<daduke>
vagrantc: let's say it was not on purpose. it's working and the image is reasonably small (180M). I could try and see what else gets added
09:14
<vagrantc>
daduke: ok.
09:15
daduke: very nice. might include it in the ltsp-server docs with a little bit of cleanup or something
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09:16
<daduke>
vagrantc: sure thing. let me know if I can improve anything.
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09:17
<vagrantc>
daduke: would have to include a debian free software guidelines compatible liscense, of course :)
09:17
<daduke>
vagrantc: in the Makefile?
09:18
<vagrantc>
daduke: whatever source code, yes.
09:19* daduke sometimes wonders if he's too pragmatic for all this license mumbo jumbo....
09:19
<daduke>
vagrantc: <include GPL> won't do?
09:20
<vagrantc>
it is insanity that we've found some novel workarounds (i.e. free liscenses)... but to be in debian it must have those workarounds
09:21
the problem is copyright, free software liscenses are the magic that turns copyright on it's head.
09:21
at least, that's my thoughts on the matter.
09:21
<daduke>
vagrantc: all right. tell me exactly what to do and I'll do it. deal?
09:22
<vagrantc>
daduke: i typically include a two-line header ...
09:23
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "copyright snippet" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/496
09:23
<vagrantc>
daduke: that's what i usually use.
09:24
<daduke>
vagrantc: thanks. I'll include it right away
09:24
<vagrantc>
it's short enough, that i just keep a copyright of that around and include it whenever i do something new...
09:26
s,copyright,copy,g
09:26
heh.
09:26
<daduke>
vagrantc: like it better now?
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09:28
<Blinny>
Is there a 'perfect' LTSP5 thin client that I could buy in batches of 10-30, that is strong enough to do DIRECTX ssh encryption, has enough RAM to do flash/FF browsing without running into XRAMPERC ceilings, and doesn't need special video drivers or xorg.conf entries to just work?
09:29
<even>
hi, i'm using ltsp5 with xfce4 in ubuntu7.10 but the server disks are showing ini file management. how can i hide then!?
09:29
<vagrantc>
Blinny: DIRECTX *disables* ssh encryption
09:29
<Blinny>
vagrantc: Well, the one where it's on. (;
09:29
<vagrantc>
just wanted to make that clear
09:30
<Blinny>
Thanks.
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<Blinny>
Doesn't Jim or Gadi's company sell thin clients?
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09:34
<jammcq>
DisklessWorkstations.com sells thin clients. i was one of the founders, but I'm no longer with that company
09:34
still.... a great place to buy thin clients
09:36
<Blinny>
jammcq: I dig the T1225 I have, but have a lot of headaches with K12v6 (ltsp4.2) -- I need to test it a good bit more on Hardy/LTSP5
09:36
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: if you get a chance, it would be really valuable to get your ltsp-ubuntu-packaging branch, as i'd like to at least merge the udeb changes before i start making changes.
09:37
ogra_cmpc: otherwise, i'll grab the udeb stuff from the ubuntu package ... i guess we may have to do that anyways, as there's a fair number of differences in packaging anyways
09:37
i.e. merges are pretty likely to conflict in unresolveable ways
09:41
<daduke>
vagrantc: I'm outta here. back on Monday.
09:41* vagrantc waves
09:41* daduke waves back
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<warren>
yum.... cilantro jalapeno hummus
09:57* vagrantc 's next ldm upload will actually use "make install"
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<cliebow>
yummm
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<vagrantc>
warren, cyberorg, johnny, dberkholz, gvy: if any of you have ltspfs working with the default udev rules, i'm wondering if you would mind me using a simplified set of rules
10:08
<gvy>
vagrantc, relaying to led...
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<vagrantc>
i don't know how different various distro's udev implementations are
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<gvy>
vagrantc, could you post that set somewhere then?
10:09
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, 88-ltsp.rules works for me
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<vagrantc>
because i'd like to call cdpinger directly from udev, but debian's been using it's own set of rules
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<gvy>
vagrantc, led tells he's written custom rules (and still uses ancient ltspfs packaged by me from 4.2 cvs)
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<vagrantc>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltspfs/ltspfs-debian-packaging/annotate/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080326113614-fqkwfzi4ot4kgrot?file_id=88ltsp.rules-20061209222018-pfo3ctskv61vijdc-1
10:10
gvy: ah, ok. so y'all aren't really using upstream ltspfs...
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, where is cdpinger there?
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<vagrantc>
it's not there yet
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, ok, go ahead and add your improvements, if it doesn't work out well, we can always roll back :)
10:12
<vagrantc>
but since it changes all the other rules, i want to make sure those work for people before moving them upstream.
10:12
it *will* have the effect of no mounting non-removable hard-drives
10:12
true enough
10:13
<cyberorg>
what other rules are affected?
10:13
<vagrantc>
it's done differently. i *think* it should still work for everyone, but i'm not sure and am just trying to make sure i don't put anyone in a bad position
10:14
originally went that direction because the upstream rules didn't work.
10:14
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, let us try it out
10:14
what are the advantages?
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<vagrantc>
upstream udev worked for ubuntu, but not for debian at one point. no idea if upstream works on debian now. i think the rules are a little simpler and easier to read.
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<vagrantc>
looks like upstream is missing the floppy rules
10:17
<cyberorg>
yeah
10:17
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: floppy drives work for you using upstream?
10:17
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, i don't have any to test :P
10:17
<vagrantc>
heh
10:18
<cyberorg>
are people still using floppy?
10:18
i've not seen one in almost 5 years
10:18
<vagrantc>
yes
10:20
<gvy>
cyberorg, i even got 5.25" drive in my home system!
10:20
(eh, data cable's not really plugged in but it fits)
10:20
and a zip -- unused these days too
10:21
so rather testbeds
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<cyberorg>
gvy, ah, weather in india is not very suitable for floppies, they go bad real quick
10:22
<gvy>
cyberorg, well if somebody needs to test against those, i can probably arrange ssh and act a bit like floppy-changer :)
10:22
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, i guess there is no harm in making things simpler
10:22* gvy didn't hold 8" floppies in hands
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: thats along the lines of what I do to get unpartitioned usb sticks working: I bang on add_fstab_entry with more devices, and if it is /dev/sda, I add it until I get a /dev/sda? at which point I remove /dev/sda
10:33
hackish but effective
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<vagrantc>
hm.
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<turkil>
hi configure my server of LTSP
10:58
but I have PXE-E79: NBP is too big
10:58
Have any solution please?
10:59
sorry form my bad english
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<david__>
heya, ive got a thin client running, but i cant get the graphics above 800x600... any ideas? i think tis an ati 3d rage pro card. and a neoware thin client
11:05
ta!
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<Gadi>
turkil: here's someone with the same problem way back in 2003! http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.general/2003-07/msg00478.html
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amazing how much info is out there on the internet
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<cliebow>
hrhr
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<gvy>
david__, you might want to figure out the driver used (might be vesa?) or bit depth (might be 24/32 bpp and then not enough videoram, like 2/4M or so)
11:25
Gadi, as they say "are you banned from google?" ;-)
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<david__>
gvy: i had it wokring before, on kubuntu feisty but after the gutsy upgradew its not hving it :( how would i set the bit depth?
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<Gadi>
X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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in your lts.conf (which should now be in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<Gadi>
create it, if not there, and be sure to make it like usual: [default]....
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<johnny_>
hi!
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<johnny_>
dberkholz, lemme know when you're alive
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<johnny_>
and/or alive
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<cliebow>
alive but brain dead..8~)
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<david__>
hey soryr, im doing two thigns at once
11:48
i set the bit depth to 16 and same problem. the driver is set to AUTO, could that be a problem?
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<johnny_>
i just want people to see my script so far ..
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<gvy>
johnny_, put it up somewhere and say "lo and behold"? :)
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david__, well it could auto down to vesa...
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try "ati"?
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<david__>
gvy: is there any way to tell which has been loaded? trying that now
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<gvy>
david__, if you have set e.g. root password in chroot you can try to log in locally
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on a console
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and see what driver is loaded according to /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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<vagrantc>
david__: "auto" is the same as the default, but "AUTO" may attempt to use a non-existant driver called "AUTO"
12:08* vagrantc prefers using SCREEN_NN=shell to setting a root password
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<david__>
thanks! what do i need to grep the x log file for? its kinda huge!
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ahh ok
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<gvy>
david__, umm... a minute
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well if the tail's all in VESA(0) then it's "vesa"
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<Gadi>
or simply: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<johnny_>
it is up
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<gvy>
Gadi, i've heard that there's no xorg.conf by default in gutsy so decided to suggest log as more permanent thing :)
12:15
<Gadi>
ah
12:15
<gvy>
david__, grep Loading /var/log/Xorg*log
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<Gadi>
no, gutsy still generates one by default, it hink
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er think
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<gvy>
ah
12:16* Gadi is a big fan of conf files
12:16* gvy too
12:16* Gadi recognizes he is in the minority
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<Gadi>
:)
12:17
<gvy>
Gadi, eh... let's sing together "artifical intelligence is good in the abscence of natural one!" ;-)
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<Gadi>
lol
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<david__>
tehres an Xorg.1.log file :)
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<Gadi>
david__: that gets created by the configuration script
12:18
ie, xorg gets launched twice
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first on :1
12:18
second on the real screen
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<gvy>
in fact, led@ is finishing extending xconf, a utility using libxorgconfig, regarding "Load $module" and several other features
12:18
had to fix libxorgconfig by the way either
12:18
<david__>
ok it loads a wholeee bunch o stuff :)
12:18
<gvy>
they wouldn't grok "Disable $module" :)
12:19
david__, grep Loading.*drv /var/log/Xorg*log
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<david__>
yup still loads
12:20
there are 2 log files Xorg.1.log and Xorg.6.log
12:20
which do i want?
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<Gadi>
.6.
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<david__>
alright theres a lot less lets see
12:22
ati_drv is loaded
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and atimisc_drv
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is that ok?
12:22
<gvy>
hm... should be
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<david__>
boo :(
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<gvy>
though if it's 6.8.0 (and xorg-7.3) i won't wonder it's using its AI
12:23
<david__>
anything i can do then?
12:23
<gvy>
to blow out yours :(
12:23
<Gadi>
david__: pastebot the log
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<gvy>
try xrandr -s 1024x768
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<Gadi>
!pastebot
12:23
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<david__>
hmm im not sure how to paste it off the thin client login screen?
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<Gadi>
you can scp it from the client to the server
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<david__>
ok
12:24
<gvy>
first, you cut off thin client's login screen with thin scissors... 8)
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<david__>
:D if only
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<david__>
im getting permission denied when i try and scp it over... :(
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<Gadi>
scp <file> user@server:
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<david__>
yeha thats what im doing
12:26
hmm hang on
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ahh it didnt like my tilde
12:26
ok
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<ltsppbot>
"david__" pasted "cant get my ati based thin client working" (667 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/497
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<Gadi>
looks like DDC's not working
12:28
add the following to your lts.conf:
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X_VERTREFRESH = "60-85"
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X_HORZSYNC = "30-100"
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and reboot
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<Gadi>
whose crappy thin client is that again?
12:31
;)
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<gvy>
Gadi, well, neoware is crappy and dirt expensive :-/
12:36* gvy recently gave up on moaning that there's no sense in buying 25 HP/Neoware TCs with XPe licenses
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<gvy>
the client's gov organization, the guy i work with didn't care, and someone else might have obviously cared enough...
12:37
Gadi, yeah, got ddc issues on that one too (VIA C7)
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<david__>
sorry again one sec
12:47
Gadi: out of range error. should i set a screen res in lts.conf too?
12:47
phone sorry, damn windows users :p
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<david__>
ah i got my neoware for £20 off ebay i think :)
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<Gadi>
david__: find out the specs for your monitor
12:57
the sync ranges should be set according to what the monitor can handle
12:57
or, stick with the ones I gave you, and set a res
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with: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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or similar
12:58
DDC is used by the thin client to probe the monitor for the right values for *that* monitor
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if DDC doesn't work ur left to set the parameters by hand
12:58
if you drive the monitor too hard, the monitor will complain
12:58
if you dont set wide enough ranges, you wont get the video resolutions/modes you want
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<david__>
Gadi: no idea on sync rnages, lost the manual a long time ago :( trying a reset now
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<ltsppbot>
"david__" pasted "current lts file" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/498
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<gvy>
david__, what's the monitor? 15" tft? 17" crt?
13:02
<david__>
17" tft
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<gvy>
should do 1280x1024 @60
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<david__>
oh sorry
13:02
#15"
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<Guaraldo>
I've got a server running LTSP4.2 and LTSP 5 together... :-D
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<gvy>
1024x768 @60 then :)
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<david__>
alright :)
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<gvy>
Guaraldo, no big deal, i've recently stopped the vps with 4.2 :)
13:03
we run ltsp in openvz vps in the office
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(4.2 was unused for almost a year but was hanging around :)
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<david__>
ok its got this error on screen. "out of range h:68khz v:85khz max 1280x1024"
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does that help?
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<gvy>
david__, XREFHRESH 60
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v:85hz is too much for tft
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it's hz not khz btw
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horizontal is khz...
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<gvy>
and pixel clock is mhz
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usually
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<david__>
ah ok i got my dad to read it ;)
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<gvy>
mine crt at home does 300mhz bandwidth. :)
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<Gadi>
so, set X_VERTREFRESH = "60-60"
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or some such
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<david__>
ok
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<gvy>
yup
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<Gadi>
and reboot
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<gvy>
refresh, reboot, reinstall
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(not to be taken literally of course0
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<david__>
:D
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do i want XREFHRESH 60 as well?
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i didnt put that in
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<Gadi>
no
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<david__>
k
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<gvy>
david__, sry, was in hurry
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<david__>
no prob :)
13:07
are there any good ltsp books? someone should really write one :)
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ah im getting out of range again
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<Gadi>
try setting: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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<cliebow>
cant write fast enough to keep up..
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<ltsppbot>
"david__" pasted "current lts file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/499
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<david__>
its there
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could there possibly be another file overriding it?
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<Gadi>
then drop the horzsync down
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try: 30-60
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(googling the monitor also helps :) )
13:10
er, googling for the monitor's manual
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<david__>
ahhh ok pretty no name chinese one tho
13:10
<Gadi>
heh
13:10
<david__>
are you here in 1.5 hours? starving and need to go get food :D
13:10
<Gadi>
well, try 30-60
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instead of 30-100
13:11
<david__>
loadiung it wiht 30-60 now
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<Gadi>
that should cure things
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<david__>
takes a looong time to boot as well
13:11
<Gadi>
15" is pretty low
13:11
in LTSP 4.2, we had a default horzsync of 30-59 iirc
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maybe 31-59
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in LTSP 5 there is no default
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as it is left up to the video driver
13:13* gvy hands some nuts to david__
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<gvy>
almonds
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<cliebow>
cashoos
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<david__>
brillliant :D that workkkkssssssssssss
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<david__>
think theres any cahnce of getting the resolution higher? ;)
13:14
haha for another time
13:15
thanks so much :) time for beer and curry, back later ;)
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<Gadi>
take out X_MODE_0
13:15
that should make it use the highest one it can with those ranges
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<david__>
foooood then hacking :D ta!
13:15
ill put it on the wiki too i guess!
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<gvy>
david__, glad for you :)
13:27* gvy finished another chunk of mkimage-profiles-desktop fixes after major revamp, pushed the results and is heading $HOME
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<achandrashekar>
Hi all. I have a dual ltsp setup with ldap/ltsp on one box and ldapclient/ltsp on the other. all other clients receive dhcpoffer by either server. Anyhow...when adding ldap accounts on the master...it takes an inordinate time in shell before i get the next prompt..as well some accounts take at least 3 mins to login in. Any ideas where the probmen may be? I looked at resolv.conf and hosts file and that part appears to
13:59
be correct...so not sure? Any help would be great.
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<achandrashekar>
anyone know off hand how to check the integrity of ltsp database?
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<Gadi>
? ltsp doesnt have a database
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<yanu>
ogra_cmpc: i resized the pictures, no problem now
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<achandrashekar>
Gadi: sorry that was ldap
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I mispoke..have like 3 things going on at the same time.
14:51* jammcq fondly remembers the days of having only 3 things going on at the same time. ahhh, the good ole days
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<IRCzito>
Hi guys, how printers work on ltsp5?? nothing at ltsp_config...
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<IRCzito>
vagrantc: wath script on ltsp-client do 9100 up to do printes work?
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<JeffATL>
a bit OT: i have 3 NFS clients and one NFS server. 2 clients and the server are gig-E, 1 client is 100base-T. all clients are trying to write to the server in bursts; sometimes bursts from difft clients overlap. was worse with rsize/wsize >=2048. recommend mounting with -o async or nfsver=?
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<JeffATL>
oh - i forgot the primary symptom: "nfs: server 192.168.99.150 not responding, still trying" in dmesg; goes dead to the world for a bit, then recovers
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that's dmesg on the clients, btw
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<yanu>
ogra_cmpc: i put 64Mb ram extra in the terminal, and now X doesn't crash anymore
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ogra_cmpc: now 128Mb
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<yanu>
ogra_cmpc: glad it is solved ! thx for the help
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<markit>
hi, is it possible to have the thin client boot and then connect with vnc to a host automatically? (different from ltsp server)
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<supreme>
hi all
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could somebody please recommend me a probed, guaranteed, perfect working and supported hardware for an edubuntu server?
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Im able to buy a new server for a classroom working with edubuntu and 25 thin clients
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<supreme> i must to know which hardware will be 100% supported by edubuntu working as terminal server
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<supreme>
hi ogra_cmpc
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long time ago
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have you ever used edubuntu 7.10 in a machine with thin clients?
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<supreme>
vagrantc, hi
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<supreme>
vagrantc1, hi
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which system do you recommend me to use with ltsp5? do you recommend me edubuntu 7.10?
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<vagrantc1>
!bestltspdistro
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc1: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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<supreme>
ok, im using edubuntu 7.10, which hardware have you tried with it?
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i mean, now im having problems with some intel mobo
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and im looking for a tested hardware
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tested with edubuntu 7.10 and some clients
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since i have the money to buy a new server machine
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vagrantc1, what do you think?
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<supreme>
m
18:24
somebody please can help me?
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<johnny>
as long as it is linux supported hardware, usually the biggest fastest machine you can buy is good
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i just use whateer ic an cobble together
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<supreme>
johnny, i though the same but, i was having problems with some x86 standard pcs
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<johnny>
on servers?
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<supreme>
which hadrware have you tried for a server (mobo, etc..)?
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<johnny>
people have such problem on desktops.. but it's usually due to graphics/wifi issues
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as i said.. whatever i can get :)
18:28
nothing specific
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i just make sure the graphics are supported if necessary
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<supreme>
but in your experience, which one have you tried, i want to be sure it will work when i buy parts
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<johnny>
some random dell optiplex is what we're using now
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with dual core amd64
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2GB ram
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sata hd
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<supreme>
nice :)
18:30
which distro?
18:30
<johnny>
ubuntu atm
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<supreme>
how many clients?
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<johnny>
only4
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they are public terminals
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you're here at the wrong time if you want advice from people who deploy lots
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if they arein the usa.. they are gone after 5pm
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and if europe.. mostly gone much earlier
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if you're in the usa.. you should try to come here before noon EST
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<supreme>
humm :/ damn, ok.. but you helped me a lot, thats exactly what i was asking here
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<johnny>
i didn't say anything :)
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i just use whatever i got
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<supreme>
yes, you say me which hardware will surely work
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<johnny>
dell stuff is usually bog standard.. but you should know that already
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i just look up hardware .. and match it with what i can find online
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that works on line
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linux*
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but you know that too i'm sure
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otherwise you wouldn't be setting up a linux server :)
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the only issues are graphics/wifi with linux 95% of the time
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if you buy something and it sucks.. return it
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<supreme>
i now working with a standard x86 machine as server but clients closes x session randomly, while working normally
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<johnny>
you should be more concerned about hardware on the clients
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as i said.. graphics cards are usually an issue
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<supreme>
but with another machine crappier all clients work ok
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<johnny>
same clients? different server?
18:36
<supreme>
yes
18:36* vagrantc only uses hardware people throw away
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<johnny>
odd, prolly some sort of driver bug
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<supreme>
same clients, same edubuntu 7.10
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<johnny>
try the *buntu hardy beta
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for testing
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<yanu>
supreme: when working, i'll gues there is to less ram on the clients
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<johnny>
my ebuilds are up..
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http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/ltsp.git;a=summary
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<yanu>
supreme: just had that problem, with a webpage with a lot of pictures
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<supreme>
yanu, i dont think so since bad server has 2gb ram, and shitty 1200mhz good server have only 512mb
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<johnny>
and my bzr branch
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<supreme>
thanks johnny , i'll check
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<johnny>
http://devel.localmomentum.net:8082/ltsp/ltsp_gentoo/changes
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<yanu>
supreme: i talk of the ram on the clientside, the terminal
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<supreme>
but, clients never restart session in shitty server
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<johnny>
there's only two changesets to the whole thing
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<supreme>
i repeat, same clients, same os, same network hardware, different server machine
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both x86
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shitty 512mbram server-> ok, nice 2gbram server ->restart x session in clients randomly
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<johnny>
it's prolly the other bits of the hardware
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you should check your logs
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<supreme>
logs say some ssh MAC thing, unfortunately i havent logs now, im at home.
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<yanu>
hmm, wierd, maybe it's the same here, ubuntu-intelboard with crashes on the clients and
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debian-asusboard without crashes on the cliets
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<supreme>
:o
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yanu, which error do you get in logs?
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<yanu>
client = dell optiplex with, first 64Mb (with crashes), now 128 (without crashes)
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<supreme>
clients have 128mb
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<yanu>
there were no errors, no that i saw, just bam, client returns to ldm
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<supreme>
:S
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yanu, what do you think? if i buy an optiplex, could I have similar problem?
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<yanu>
no, i don't like dell ;), i prefer to make them myself
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<supreme>
damn im scared, a enterprise order me to buy a server, but what if it fails when i install it
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<supreme>
thats why im asking for success experiences
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to buy the exactly same hardware
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to make sure it will work fine
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<yanu>
ya, it is difficult, it changes so fast, mobo's ram, chipsets ...
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personaly, i have good experience with asus-mobo's with intel chipsets and video
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but they wer for myself, no for custumers
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...
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<supreme>
ok, thanks :),, hey, why you dont like dells? bad experiences?
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<yanu>
there is always something, special powersupply, non standard placement, different ram ...
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<petre>
evening all
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<supreme>
hi petre
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<petre>
hey supreme
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<yanu>
they are very well for client without drives ... not for tuning, reparing ...
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i'll go to sleep, night all
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<supreme>
ok yanu , thanks for all, bye
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