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sheesh. it's a good thing i'm testing wheezy's LTSP ... it's rife with issues ... :(
ok, some false alarms
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Has anyone managed to make a HP5700 Thin client boot on edubuntu 12.xx? No matter what I do it says my CPU doesn't have PAE even though it seems to have the generic Kernel installed.
This worked fine under 11.xx
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alkisg: so i've been finding more bugs i'd like to fix for wheezy ... let's hope i'm not getting too ambitious
alkisg: with your bzr builds, were you building from trunk + the ltsp-debian-packaging branch?
hey vagrantc, sorry for not having the time on the weekend to work on fixing the dashisms
alkisg: i think i got it, at least it works for bash/dash ... other shells not so hopeful, but good enough for wheezy... i hope.
alkisg: so your bzr builds will likely fail, as i'm pulling patches from trunk
trying to resolve http://bugs.debian.org/690267 now ... the swap files don't get removed if encrypted swap is enabled.
vagrantc: the last version I published in the greek ppa was 5.4.3-1+r2393+p1146~precise1, and I'm hoping to upload a new one there in a couple of weeks
i tried patching nbd-disconnect to remove the encrypted volume, which works, but then apparently the nbd module is removed before it can nbd-disconnect
nbd-disconnect seems prone to race conditions, no?
Err what? Why would you need the nbd module to stay around after unmounting swap, when using nfs root?
Right, so, unencrypt, swapoff, nbd-client -d, and module gets removed
alkisg: except nbd-client -d fails
alkisg: because nbd module is already removed for some reason
(07:06:52 μμ) vagrantc: nbd-disconnect seems prone to race conditions, no? ==> yup, by design :P
works fine if it's not encrypted... which confuses me.
since i put another bit of code in the same case statement that nbd-disconnect is in to handle it.
er, the same case statement that it removes swap on /dev/nbd*
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vagrantc: generally, swap files should be handled by /etc/init.d/nbd-client, not by nbd-disconnect
|17:11||* alkisg will have to postpone looking into details though... busy for a few days more :-/|
i'll just have to upload without it
(kid playing with keyboard :()
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ah, close enough
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PROCESS_LTS_CONF is borked.
we have too many codepaths to test everything manually...
PROCESS_LTS_CONF actually causes no environment variiables to be set...
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ok, it has to do with lots of script snippets doing: test -z "$FOO" || return
which returns the value of the last command, which triggers and error, and when "set -e" is enabled, it bails on the entire script
this is a lot of code....
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was always nervous about that behavior
looks like ltsp_config.d only has 20fatclients...
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My LTSP server has two NICs, one pointing to my thin clients, the other pointing to a broader private net where windoze boxes, printers, and wireless devices sit. The server is effectively acting as a firewall for the thin client network. I need to be able to plant other kinds of devices on the thin client private net and let them pass through. Any ideas on how to make that happen?
you need to set up a firewall with NAT ...
using what, iptables?
that's the default, right?
in a two-NIC LTSP server setup, clients don't necessarily have direct network access
iptables, or a frontend
i've had good luck with arno-iptables-firewall
although arno-iptables-firewall actually walks you through some of the steps, ferm allows you to create your own rules
there's also an example script in ltsp sources ... dunno if it's installed in any of the packages
I remember reading somewhere that the nic setup on a two nic LTSP setup that iptables is somewhere in the picture.
am I going to clobber that?
by default, no, but if you're using fatclients or localapps, yes.
you'll also want to make sure not to firewall off any of the ports LTSP uses
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am using local-apps
if the localapps have network access, then you shouldn't need to do anything for other devices.
or rather, you've already done it :)
unless you've used a really restrictive firewall
Some of this config I have inherited.... so I am not really clear on it. I do know that Firefox and Chrome are running as local-apps. But I don't recall specifically making the iptables do NAT.
The two nets are both private with a smoothwall protecting the whole kahoona. Can't I just say screw it and cable the two nets together?
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blakes: is the smoothwall connected to the network the LTSP clients are on?
No. 192.168.10.0/24 is smoothwall net and one nic on the LTSP server, the thin clients are on 192.168.0.0/24
I think I am already answering my question here.... there would be two dhcp servers on the combined net that could be bad! plus what happens if a thin client gets an address on the .10 net... it would be blocked by the ltsp server. So it sounds more than what simple netmasking could take care of.
in that case, you'd need a dhcp server on the LTSP server configured to only listen on your LTSP network.
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not at all uncommon.
It took me a long time to get to know BSD's IPFW firewall... and I just wanted to be lazy and not learn another firewall syntax.
blakes: so you must have some sort of NAT on your firewall, unless you're using an HTTP proxy or something.
er, some sort of NAT on your LTSP server
vagrantc: are you busy committing?
otherwise your localapps wouldn't be able to get network access.
knipwim: i hope i'm done for the day...
knipwim: i can always rebase as long as we're not conflicting
otherwise i'm going to commit the gentoo nbd stuff
Just NAT on the smoothwall. no proxy. I tried to do an iptables -l -v but it wasn't very informative. I am not sure exactly how the ltsp server is handling traffic.
blakes: and you're sure the smoothwall isn't on both networks?
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There are only three classes on the iptables, and I couldn't tell which NIC they were listening to.
yes on the smoothwall
blakes: try: iptables -L -n -t nat
blakes: so... you plug other things in and they don't work?
blakes: or are you just trying to understand how it works?
Another chain! POSTROUTING:MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.0.0/24 0.0.0.0/0
so your LTSP server has NAT configured...
A little of both... but mostly I need to install Voip phones in every classroom. The trouble is that in some rooms they have the ltsp net only wired and no other capacity to cross-connect. the phones have to live on the .10 network OR get passed through the firewall on the LTSP net.
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Ok.. so if I understand the masqurade class, it should be NATting any ip address on the private side to the public side .... so maybe I have a dns issue? not a nat issue
you might need to configure the dhcp server running on the ltsp server to give out the appropriate DNS entries, or set up a dns proxy on the LTSP server.
I guess I have some more learning to do on this... stay tuned, dear reader. Will Blake surrender to the evil iptables ore reconfigure dhcp? ttyl and thanks!!!!
vagrantc: you know why not all files in tftpdir/ltsp/$name are set to chmod +r ?
knipwim: my guess is that they should be, but probably aren't usually a problem?
dracut outputs it's generated initramfs with chmod 600
i was wondering if that was unusual
When I download something in firefox using localapps, and try to open it from the download window, it asks what application I want to use because it is obviously trying to use applications that are within the chroot enviro.. Is there a way to make it use the server path? (Sorry if I didn't word that very well)
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Kev_j: I have run into this problem too. I haven't found a fix for it yet short of instructing users how to link apps to mimetypes. In my case, I don't think it is the chroot environment issue you mentioned, but bookmarks and other things get saved into the users profile in /home/USERNAME/.mozilla.....
kev_j: no, you have to install all the apps locally
kev_j: at which point, you might want to just use LTSP_FATCLIENT
well, you have to install all the apps your users might want to use ...
at which point, it might be easier to go fatclient.
knipwim: are you still planning on defaulting to NFS, or are you pushing NBD all the way now? :)
i'm still waffling for debian, wheezy will still default to NFS, but with ltsp-pnp i'm considering switching it.
I have firefox installed in the chroot, but I have the same trouble as Kev_j
that is the same issue, I have firefox installed, but not the program that would open it
open the downloaded file
in the chroot...
Well... I have acrobat and flash-plugin installed in the chroot. Acrobat is not associated with mimetype, but flash is.
kev_j, blakes i think ltsp-remote-apps is the way for that
hmm, or not
no such thing on my 12.04 install. Is this something new... an add in, a replacement?
I just need a utility to add the correct path/application to whatever freaking, hide-the-ball database mozilla keeps its mimetypes.... then recurse homes and walk away smiling.
blakes: so if they download a pdf and try to open from the firefox download window it opens the localapps acrobat?
no... acrobat is not run as a local app... only firefox
sorry, I don't completely understand (plus I don't know how to use mimetypes, so I am a little lost there, but I am looking at it right now)
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ltsp-remote-apps could be used to start the application on the server, although you'll have a difficult time autogenerating the mime-types on the fly.
it looks like the mimetypes... "helper applications" are kept in /home/[user]/.mozilla/firefox/[profile]/mimeTypes.rdf
it's basically like the correlary to localapps
vagrantc: but do you know how to configure it?
I am not smart enough to write a script to re-write the entry for externalApplication:application/pdf, etc.
i don't remember if it's automatically set up, or you have to enable the variable...
something with REMOTE_APPS_MIME_PACKAGES ?
vagrantc: but to your question earlier, haven't tought about nfs vs nbd really
knipwim: at least on debian/ubuntu, it's now much easier to switch back and forth between them.
that was what i was going for also
with another initramfs builder
ltsp-remoteapps only exists in the chroot.... so If I read correctly, the "helper application" should be something like ltsp-remoteapps /usr/bin/acroread?
i'm looking into it... it's not one of our better documented featuress
blakes: if it works, could you let it know?
And any suggestions on deploying that to 300 users? This sounds hinkey.
vagrantc: if i remember, you could set it up based on mime types
so that pdf would automatically open acroread on the server
i can't find the code to enable it..
mgariepy_: you might know? ^^^
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ah, REMOTE_APPS=true in lts.conf
should I be able to open it like blakes described from the xterm?
vagrantc: is it disabled by default?
From another angle... the default pdf reader is NOT acroread. it is envince(sp?). Wonder if this a stem of the problem?
disabled by default, if i recall correctly.
code reshuffle problem, I mean.
vagrantc: and a mention in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X01-remoteapps
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yup, REMOTE_APPS=true, and then a localapp should be able to ltsp-remoteapps FOO
i.e. ltsp-remoteapps acroread
my lts.conf has LOCAL_APPS=True, REMOTE_APPS=True, LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True, LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = evince,firefox,chromium-browser
some applications may not play well with localapps or remoteapps
ok, back to the prep work to upload a new version of LTSP to debian...
good luck :)
well I have to reload then since I am testing all this on my computer... can you guys let me know if I miss anything important?
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so how would I use ltsp-remoteapps to open the file?
and which application?
ltsp-remoteapps "COMMAND ARGUMENTS"
the downloaded pdf file in firefox
or is it: ltsp-remoteapps COMMAND ARGUMENTS ...
kev_j: the same way you'd specify some other arbitrary program in the dialog...
so ltsp-remoteapps acroread opens acroread, but I don't know how to make it open the downloaded file
ltsp-remoteapps acroread FILE
ltsp-remoteapps "acroread FILE"
but I'm not typing when I try to open the file in firefox... does it have to do with the mimetypes thing?
you could write a simple two-line wrapper script:
exec ltsp-remoteapps acroread $@
ah, I tried that, but I didn't know the $@, I had tried $1
don't really know how to configure mime types, it seems darned near every program reinvents that wheel.
$1 should work as long as there's only one argument
$@ is all the arguments
you might want to quote it... "$@"
alternately, you might be able to define .desktop files, and maybe, if you're lucky, some applications will see that... but that might just be for menus, not mimetypes.
damn, so it opens it but still doesn't open the file with it
like i said earlier, it's probably just easier to run LTSP_FATCLIENT=true
it's a game of whack-a-mole you're embarking on.
kev_j: ok, try this one:
yeah... it's half me being stubborn and half me being curious
exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread $@"
if you really just need one or two apps, it might be fine. if you need lots... it'll be a lot of work.
same result, that's what I tried accidentally when you first said I might want to quote it
it's just one or two
so far anyway
exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread \"$@\""
would it be exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread \"$@\"" or exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread \'$@\'"
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it's the argument processing from shell game...
try with: exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread $@"
kev_j: is the file in /tmp
or something other than the user's homedir?
i was going to say try with: exec ltsp-remoteapps "acroread $@"
and then run "pgrep -l -f acroread" on the server
does it have any meaningful arguments?
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hrm, that's kinda wierd, it lists the file in the process....
and the path to the file... ?
and then I open the file manually from within acroread and the process doesn't change
could you cut-and-paste the results of the pgrep ?
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and the file is actually present on the server?
the first is after trying to open it from firefox (localapps) and the second is going to open in acroread and selecting the file (which shows up after that)
if you manually run it from the commandline, it works?
are there multiple sessions logged in as "user" ?
yes it works if I type it, and no, no other sessions for user
kev_j: do you have a different pdf reader you could try it with?
evince, epdfview ...
kev_j: see if that works as expected
not at all actually...
typing it works, but trying to run it from firefox does nothing
kev_j: would it be so bad to install acroread and whatever else locally?
so that it could run them as localapps as well?
no, I was trying to but for some reason acroread isn't in my listed repositorys... but once I started messing with it it was the whole stubborn and curious thing
thanks for the help, I will just get that working
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i probably need to review ltsp-docs and get an update of that out
well hell, I don't know what the *#$@% is wrong with acroread or firefox, but it doesn't open the file either way
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mebbe it's that it doesn't list pdf as a content type...
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