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Channel log from 4 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: thanks for the "guest login" patch ...
00:49
<RyanRyan52>
vagrantc: Is there anything else you have for me to do?
00:51
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: well, i'll test out the patch some, and maybe have some questions later ...
00:51
RyanRyan52: http
00:51
RyanRyan52: http://bugs.debian.org/src:ltspfs and src:ldm
00:52
RyanRyan52: don't know if there's anything that stands out there ...
00:53
<RyanRyan52>
okay
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: the autologin and ssh key thing i should mark as pending
01:25* johnny wonders if that ldm will make it into hardy ldm
01:25
<johnny>
then i can stop using this hacked up deb
01:28
<vagrantc>
johnny: the patches are pretty simple and it's a broken feature, so it should count as bugfixes.
01:28
johnny: but you'll have to ask ogra about it
01:28
<johnny>
isn't the guest autologin a new thing?
01:29
you added a button right?
01:31
<vagrantc>
ah, guest login seems like a bit more invasive of a patch- i doubt if ogra would go for that for hardy.
01:32
but regular autologin support was supposed to be in gutsy, it was just broken somewhere along the way.
01:33
<johnny>
is it going to be in unstable ?
01:33
<vagrantc>
i'll test the patch and hopeully upload it as soon as the current ldm hits debian testing/lenny
01:33
<johnny>
cool
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<Pascal_1>
hello
02:28
i'm new on dhcp, and i'm trying to install it
02:28
is there a way to use ltsp on 2 differents servers, i mean i've already got a tftp and dhcp server, what is the way to install it with this configuration ?
02:39
<johnny>
i suppose
02:40
there is a way
02:40
are you using debian/ubuntu ?
02:40
if so, don't use the standalone package
02:41
i know i don't use the package that pulls in dhcp
02:41
i just setup my own dhcp
02:41
and modified it to work with ltsp
02:44
<Pascal_1>
debian
02:44
only root-path ??
02:44
<johnny>
?
02:45
i ended up using dnsmasq for my setup , which has it's own dhcp and tftp
02:45
i don't know how to setup dhcpd and whatever tftp server you're using
02:45
but i'm sure you can figure that out
02:45
if you already have such systems running
02:45
just point them to where ltsp stuff is
02:46
<Pascal_1>
root-apth option in dhcp to make ltsp works
02:46
path
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<ogra>
!seen sbalneav
06:21
<ltspbot`>
ogra: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <sbalneav> someones sent folder didn't come a cross.
06:21
<ogra>
meh
06:49
<Pascal_1>
johnny, i made mistake in my question
06:50
the problem is i've already got dhcp server and tftp server on one machine, i would like to install a server for thin client, ltsp install everything and it's "ot intersting" for me
06:50
i would like to know how install ltsp without dhcp and tftp i dont find a tutorial
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<Pascal_1>
anybody could help to install ltsp in an architecture where a server (dhcp tftp) already exist ?
07:25
<cliebow_>
Pascal_1, is your dhcp capable of passing filename parameter?
07:25
<Pascal_1>
it does already
07:26
may be i could pastebin the configuration of the "existant"
07:28
cliebow_, ?
07:30
http://www.pastebin.ca/891198 here is how is configured my actual dhcp-tftp server
07:30
i would like to install ltsp on another machine and use the actual dhcp-tftp server
07:31
sorry for my french
07:31
my english
07:31
oups
07:31
i'm french
07:31
;-)
07:37
<cliebow_>
brb
07:39
hmm..i dont see anything there...wanna try pastebot.ltsp.org?
07:40
<ltsppbot>
"Pascal_1" pasted ".../... subnet 192.168.39.0 ne" (65 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/439
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<Pascal_1>
then i put a piece of my dhcpd.conf
07:41
the contain of /var/lib/tftpboot
07:41
and the default file
07:42
do you see something
07:42
what means brb ?
07:43
hmmm be right back
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<cliebow_>
with the next-server option that should start tfrtp transfer from 39.247
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<Pascal_1>
for the moment the client can boot from the network download the "pxelinux.0" file then choose between local boot or "ghost" boot
07:46
what is the way to make possible to boot as thin client
07:46
what is the way to integrate ltsp on this architecture
07:47
<cliebow_>
Pascal_1, lets wait til ogra comes back
07:47
<Pascal_1>
ok
07:47
you he could help me ?
07:48
think
07:48
he doesnt answer before :-(
07:48
<cliebow_>
he wrote ltsp5
07:48
<Pascal_1>
huhuhu
07:48
<cliebow_>
with a little help from hoiis amis
07:48
<Pascal_1>
ok
07:48
ouhaou you speak french !!!!
07:49
you think my question is clear enough ?
07:51
<rjune_>
Pascal_1: You want to have your DHCP and TFTP server on one system, but the NFS and application server on another, yes?
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<Pascal_1>
rjune_, yes, and i want to use the existant server dhcp-tftp
07:52
<cliebow_>
rjune!!!
07:52
Pascal_1, what linux are you usign?
07:52
<Pascal_1>
my "production" dhcp-tftp server is mandriva
07:53
my test machine for ltsp is on debian
07:53
the dhcp-tftp server actually works fine
07:53
i've no problem on it
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<rjune_>
ogra: where do you specify NFSROOT for ltsp5?
07:55
and where do you specify the server users log into?
07:55
good morning too. :-)
07:55
<cliebow_>
rjune_:in gutsy you are using a squasfs image..
07:55
<ogra>
LDM_SERVER in lts.conf ... else it falls back to the bootserver ...
07:56
(which can be overridden by SERVER)
07:56
<rjune_>
Pascal_1: use LDM_SERVER = <SERVER_IP> in your lts.conf file.
07:56
<ogra>
if you use gutsy you need to set some extras if you want to turn back to nfs
07:56
there is a howto on the wki
07:56
<rjune_>
ah, I didn't know that.
07:56
<ogra>
*wiki
07:56
<Pascal_1>
then i can usit without install dhcp and tftp server
07:57
<rjune_>
Pascal_1: looks like you don't have an NFS server in ltsp5
07:57
you still need dhcp and tfpt
07:57
tftp
07:57
<Pascal_1>
yes i know that i've already these
07:57
<rjune_>
taking those out of the equation is a much larger step
07:58
<Pascal_1>
then i can use the nfsroot option in the default file ?
07:58
<rjune_>
you don't need nfsroot
07:58
that's kind of the point.
07:58
<Pascal_1>
sorry i'm little lost :-(
07:59
<rjune_>
ltsp5 apparently uses a ramdisk to store everything
07:59
<Pascal_1>
i dont understand everything you say
07:59
you mean ltsp5 dont use nfs at all ?
08:00
<ogra>
newer versions dont
08:04
bu you said you have problems with dhcp and tftp .... nfs isnt involved at all at this point
08:04
(nor is nbd which we use nowadays)
08:06
<Pascal_1>
ogra i think my question was not so clear
08:06* ogra curses ... why the heck did we never add a proper debug mode to ldm ... adding -vvv to the ssh call if DEBUG is set is really not such a big problem *sigh*
08:06
<Pascal_1>
i've no problem with dhcp and tftp
08:06
they already run on another machine
08:06
<ogra>
so it boots fine and drops you to a busybox shell ?
08:06
<Pascal_1>
yes
08:06
<ogra>
right
08:07
<Pascal_1>
my question was how to install ltsp using the existant server
08:07
<ogra>
try to specify nbdroot="$SERVERIP:2000" in your pxe config ...
08:07
that will tell the initranfs to connect the nbd client (used for the rootfs) to $SERVERIP on port 2000 (default for the nbdroot from the ltsp-server package)
08:08
<Pascal_1>
but i've got to install ltsp5 before, i was on older
08:08
<ogra>
ah, k
08:09
<Pascal_1>
hmmmm ;-)
08:09
then i come back after the installation
08:09
any way thank you everybody for your answers !!
08:09
<ogra>
to get ltsp without dhcp you need to install the ltsp-server package, the -standalone one expects dhcpd to run locally
08:09
<Pascal_1>
apt-get install ltsp-server ??
08:09
<ogra>
beyond that look for LTSPQuickInstall on help-ubuntu-com :)
08:10
err
08:10
s/-/./
08:10
right and sudo ltsp-build-client to set up the client env
08:10
<Pascal_1>
ok i begin like that and i come back for other questions ;-)
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<Pascal_1>
ltsp-server is without dhcp and without tftp ?
08:12
<ogra>
without dhcp
08:13
it will set up tftp and you surely want to use the contents of /var/lib/tftpboot (even if you use a different tftp server)
08:13
the initramfs is generated on the fly in ltsp5 ... so you should always use the one under /var/lib/tftpboot
08:14
<Pascal_1>
ok i copy paste the tftpboot created by ltsp in my tftpboot
08:14
<ogra>
if you copy it to another machine or point your dhcpd to the ltsp server for it is up to you :)
08:14
<Pascal_1>
great !!
08:14
<ogra>
i would actually do the latter :) saves a lot of copying around
08:15
(next-server is the dhcpd.conf option you need to set to the server ip for that, in case you dont know)
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08:15* ogra curses ldm again
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<ogra>
Gadi, hey
08:16
<Gadi>
gutentag
08:16
rough day?
08:16
<ogra>
did you ever note that despite setting LDM_DIRECTX in gutsy the X traffic was still tunneled ?
08:16
scott never excluded -X from the commandline even though he sets DISPLAY
08:16
<Gadi>
?
08:17
<Pascal_1>
ogra i pastebin my conf of my current server here : http://pastebot.ltsp.org/439
08:17
<Gadi>
lol
08:17
really?
08:17
<ogra>
yeah
08:17
<Gadi>
hmm - well, DISPLAY should trump -X
08:17
it should still be direct
08:17
<ogra>
i'm just working on the consolekit integration and it always pointed to localhost:10 even with DIRECTX
08:18
<Gadi>
but how, if he sets DISPLAY?
08:18
-X resets it?
08:18
<ogra>
consolekit asks the login app first
08:18
there is no child executed at this point
08:19
<Gadi>
well, thats a major bug
08:19
lots of lil buggies in gutsy ldm
08:19
<ogra>
so ssh sets DISPLAY, then the shell is executed to run Xsession with DISPLAY set
08:19
<Gadi>
a bit too gutsy, perhaps
08:19
:)
08:19
<ogra>
where both DISPLAY values differ indeed
08:20
anyway, thanks to colin i have proper consolekit settings in ldm now ... just that the env vars arent set :/ and we dont have a proper debug mode in ldm ... setting -vvv if DEBUG is set should be the least :/
08:21* ogra is no friend of the C ldm ... i'm getting tired of recompiling all the time
08:22
<joebaker>
I didn't think the move to C was such a hot idea.
08:22
<ogra>
speedwise and sizewise it was necessary ... sadly
08:22
<joebaker>
Yes, the boot times seemed to be getting longer at 7.04.
08:23
<ogra>
right
08:23
<joebaker>
I havn't seen a 7.10 boot yet.
08:23
<ogra>
7.10 was the release to solve that
08:23
<joebaker>
Hopefully tonight at our LUG meeting we'll get it working.
08:23
<ogra>
its about three times faster
08:25
nfs slowness is gone due to a nbd/squashfs/unionfs filesystem stack now ... X configuration slowness is gone due to completely leaving the configuration in Xorg's hands instead of using debconf and ldm slowness is fixed through the C implementation
08:25
these were the major slowdowns ...
08:26
<joebaker>
I see. It would be useful to cache the resulting X configuration for future use. Maybe a checksum of lspci results could be the key that retrieves the X Configurations.
08:28
<ogra>
x configuration is breezingly fast now ... and shouldnt even be needed at all in hard+1 anymore
08:28
(i could drop it in hardy but dont have time to do the hal integration needed for input device handling with the new configless X )
08:28
s/drop it in/drop it into/
08:29* Gadi does not believe in configless X
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<joebaker>
I'm looking for work these days.
08:32
<ogra>
Gadi, it works since gutsy already ... CONFIGURE_X=False will leave you run ltsp without xorg.conf at all
08:32
as long as you dont have to handle non us keymaps and input devices != /dev/input/mouse it will just work fine
08:33
<Q-FUNK>
hm
08:33
<ogra>
well, apart from one or the other buggy driver ... indeed
08:36* ogra wonders if anyone noticed that the mythbuntu team wrote a mythbuntu-diskless client patch and package for ubuntu :)
08:36
<ogra>
yay for diskless media kiosks :)
08:38
<joebaker>
ogra: It would be nice if the new i386 LTSP server could handle ppc clients. You mentioned before that a PPC server would be needed to get things ready for the PPC client. Maybe we could use qemu to emulate the ppc server to prepare for the clients.
08:38
<ogra>
joebaker, last time i tried that (around edgy) qemu wasnt ready for that
08:39
but things might have changed ....
08:39
<Gadi>
ogra: I know - I meant in general - I dont believe configless X will ever be bulletproof enough to drop the ability to have a config
08:39
<ogra>
Gadi, well, i agree that there shold be a possibility to override the defaults ...
08:39
<Gadi>
heck, I'd be happy if X could keep their code stable enough to have working video drivers :P
08:39
<ogra>
i disagree on a config file though
08:40
having interfaces sitting in sysfs that react on the fly shold be the way to go
08:40
<Gadi>
well, now ur talking nuance
08:40
:)
08:41
btw, have u tried our configure-x.sh with dual monitors?
08:41* Gadi wonders how it works
08:42
<ogra>
nope
08:42
i dont have a client with second graphics card here
08:43
the t150 and 170 have pci sockets but i dont have the needed riser card
08:43* Gadi wonders if X -configure handles that
08:43
<ogra>
i doubt it
08:43
<Gadi>
I wouldnt be surprised if it puts in the sections
08:43
<ogra>
that supposed to be handled by xrandr afaik
08:43
<Gadi>
but not the layout
08:43
u know, we had dual monitor support in LTSP 4.2 :)
08:44
<ogra>
we have it in ltsp5 since the beginning if you use a static xorg.conf :P
08:44
<Gadi>
cheater
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<Gadi>
:D
08:44
<ogra>
heh
08:45
<Gadi>
I had myh tv in breezy - as long as you do all the work
08:45
:)
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:u using lldap in gutsy?
08:51
<Gadi>
indeed
08:51
atm , in fact
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<Gadi>
ogra: do you have a guide for how to get the debian/ dir to roll pkg with the new bzr upstream branches?
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: in migrating i have three *.secret..acouple *ldap.conf ..now i dont know which files are essential and which are useless..can you tell me which you have..
08:56
<Gadi>
I understood the beginning and the end of that sentence
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<Gadi>
it got a little hazy towards the middle
08:56
:)
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<cliebow_>
heh..figures..how about this..which .secret file is read? pam_ldap.secret ldap.secret libnss-ldap.secret or libnss_ldap,.secret
08:58
or pam_ldap.secret?
08:58
<Gadi>
/etc/ldap.secret
08:58
<cliebow_>
pam_ldap.conf libnss_ldap.conf or ldap.conf?
08:59
<Pascal_1>
ogra you told me that ltsp5 didnt use nfs, why whan i do apt-get install ltsp-server, i've got this package : nfs-kernel-server ?
08:59
<Gadi>
/etc/ldap.conf
08:59
/etc/ldap/ldap.conf
09:00
<cliebow_>
..what??dont tell me it is as simple as that 8~)
09:00
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: are you on gutsy?
09:00
<Pascal_1>
debian etch netinstall
09:00
<cliebow_>
thanks GadMaeister
09:00
<Pascal_1>
there is a lot of package installed for ltsp5
09:01
binutils debconf-utils debootstrap esound-clients esound-common iproute libatm1 libaudiofile0 libesd0 lsb-release ltsp-server nfs-kernel-server
09:01
tftpd-hpa
09:01
<Gadi>
cliebow_: np
09:01
debian etch still uses NFS iirc
09:01
<Pascal_1>
arf
09:13
<cliebow_>
Gadi:you use roaming profiles?
09:15
<Gadi>
I do
09:16
<cliebow_>
so you have profile acls=yes in the profiles share?
09:16
<Gadi>
I dont do much with acls
09:16
and no
09:17
<cliebow_>
i Never did..but durn thing wont work without that now
09:17
after moving fileserver to ubuntu from rhel54
09:17
<Gadi>
is that for Group Policies?
09:17
<cliebow_>
err 4'
09:17
i dont know for sure...
09:17
<Gadi>
ah
09:18
nah, I havent gone too deeply - I use it on a much smaller scale
09:18
would love to learnn how to play with folder redirection someday
09:18
<cliebow_>
it seemed an awful obscure thing to be so important
09:18
<Gadi>
but, dont have time to spend idling in Windows :)
09:19
<cliebow_>
Gadi: i did post to the wiki our desktop and Documents redirection..
09:19
<Gadi>
oh yeah?
09:19
cool
09:19
<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration#Redirecting_My_Documents_using_n
09:20
i think it has been improved latley
09:21
<Gadi>
iy edits the registry every login?
09:21
er, it
09:21
nice
09:21
cant wait for that to fail
09:21
:)
09:22
<cliebow_>
time to migrate 8~) we've been using that now reliably for four years now..
09:22
<Gadi>
good tip
09:22
thx
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<cliebow_>
i can send you the latest if you need them..
09:28
<Gadi>
sure, Im game
09:28
<cliebow_>
ok ill tar em up and give u an url
09:29
<Gadi>
u rock
09:29
<cliebow_>
8~)
09:39
Gadi:http://169.244.3.137/gadi.tar.gz
09:41
<Gadi>
whats home.fc?
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<cliebow_>
Gadsi..firstclass client stuff
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<yanu>
where do i find info about sound with ltsp5 (on debian)?
11:21
<sutula>
yanu: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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<yanu>
sutula: thx, looking at it, but i have sid in client
11:30
<sutula>
yanu: I have only used Etch, but have it working there with backports
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<iMacGyver>
I've started to write up things i've figured out during my experience deploying an ltsp setup here if anyone is interested: http://scribere.no-ip.org/LTSP
13:50
<cliebow_>
cool!
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<lns>
iMacGyver, wow, nice! =)
14:02
If you don't mind I'm going to link to your wiki from mine (lns.wikidot.org) and possibly steal some info from it. Can you possibly put a license page on your wiki to reflect the Ubuntu wiki, so we can all share information between us?
14:02
ala http://lns.wikidot.com/license
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<iMacGyver>
lns: sure
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<lns>
awes
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<cliebow_>
ome
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<mighty-d>
Hi
15:03
cliebow_, ping
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<cliebow_>
mighty-d, just out the door,,bb in 60
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: tested your patch, works great! :)
17:41
RyanRyan52: a couple smallish critiques ... there were a number of stray tabs at the end of a number of lines ... and there were a few places where tabs were used instead of spaces ...
17:42
<dberkholz>
<3 tabs
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: the other issue is LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER disappeared and was replaced with LDM_GUEST_SERVER ... not sure how we want to deal with that, but it changes the previous behavior of autologin a little.
17:43
tabs out of love is one thing...
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RyanRyan52: i guess LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER was only recently introduced, so maybe it's not a big deal ... not sure if there's a situation in which we'd want a different default for guest login and a different for autologin
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/features/ldm-guest-login/
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RyanRyan52: that's a bzr branch
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<RyanRyan52>
I tried to get all the tabs out...
18:28
Really bad habbit that I'm trying to stop
18:30
Why did you make a bzr branch?
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<RyanRyan52>
and changing the LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER to LDM_GUEST_SERVER was just that it makes more sense imho since its used for autologin and guest (and autologin is also guest...).
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vagrantc: Why did you make a bzr branch?
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: because i was cleaning up the tab issues
18:55
RyanRyan52: and thinking about how to fix things
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RyanRyan52: yeah, i've got mixed feelings on LDM_GUEST_SERVER vs. LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER ...
18:57
since LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER isn't actually in use, maybe it's fine.
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RyanRyan52: i also made a bzr branch because i'm not sure it's ready for upstream, but demonstrates a working concept
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<RyanRyan52>
what should be changed? cause I'll do the changes..
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: while the @GUEST@ passing as the username works, it feels kind of hackish ...
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RyanRyan52: you did that so we wouldn't have to re-write the gtkgreeter ?
19:00
<RyanRyan52>
ya...I can do it without rewriteing gtkgreeter.
19:01
I'll do that.
19:01
<vagrantc>
well, we have to re-write the greeter to get the "guest login" button ...
19:02
<RyanRyan52>
ya...do you want me to fix it?
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: i'm also thinking we wouldn't need to introduce the ldminfo.userisguest ... could just have it set ldminfo.autologin if the guest login button is pressed ... i think i can get that going
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<RyanRyan52>
that makes sense. Do you want me to change it to not do the @GUEST@ thing though?
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: how much re-writing to not do the @GUEST@ thing?
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<RyanRyan52>
have it write 2 lines if not guest "notguest" and then the actual user name. have it write "guest" if it is guest and only have ldm expect 1 if it says guest.
19:07
so not much
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: ok, so branch off: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/features/ldm-guest-login/
19:09
<RyanRyan52>
okay
19:09
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: and either publish a new branch, or make a patch based on that
19:10
RyanRyan52: i'm heading out... i'll be around tomorrow
19:10
<RyanRyan52>
okay
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: thanks for you work on this :)
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<RyanRyan52>
vagrantc: oh
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vagrantc: we do need userisguest
19:12
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: yeah, i just committed a patch that ditches userisguest
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<RyanRyan52>
vagrantc: cause if somebody sets LDM_AUTOLOGIN then it will always be guest
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: exactly
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<RyanRyan52>
vagrantc: cause if somebody sets LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_ALLOW_GUEST then it will always be guest
19:13
so that makes it ask if you want to log in as a user or guest, but always logs you in as guest
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<vagrantc>
?
19:14
<RyanRyan52>
even if you do specify a username and password
19:14
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: if LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True, then it skips all the greeter code entirely
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<RyanRyan52>
oh...ya...ooops...
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<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: i haven't tested it, but i think my latest patch should work.
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RyanRyan52: or at least, is close to working :)
19:16
it doesn't ditch @GUEST@, but it ditches ldminfo.userisguest
19:16* RyanRyan52 is sick today...usually Ryan52 is not as smart when I'm sick...
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<RyanRyan52>
oaky
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<vagrantc>
we just need a way for the greeter to say "do a guest login", and then set ldminfo.autologin=TRUE;
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eeyk. gotta run! :)
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<RyanRyan52>
I'm trying to debug something in ldm. How do I get at /var/log/ldm.log?
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nvm
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<joebaker>
Anybody care to help with an Edubuntu 7.10 system that was installed as kubuntu 7.04 and upgraded?
23:02
I have a problem with LTSP on it.
23:03
Thin Client booting PXE is reporting dhcp information with an invalid "rootserver" and empty rootpath argument.
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<joebaker>
Does the Muekow from 7.10 of ubuntu systems use NFS at all durring the bootup process?
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<joebaker>
YES! I got it working! The DSL router had DHCP enabled.
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I had to turn it off.
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<MacIver>
glad we could help ;)
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<joebaker>
:)