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Channel log from 8 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<krotaz>
hey guys do yo know wich is the minimum system requirement in the client??
00:25
<sbalneav>
Much below 350 mhz and things get slower
00:25
32 megabytes memory
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pci network and video card
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<krotaz>
so a pentium 166 will be a tutle???
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turtle
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<sbalneav>
It'll be a bit slow.
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<krotaz>
ok
00:27
<sbalneav>
Depends on what you're doing
00:27
<krotaz>
openoffice mp3, web
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<sbalneav>
If it's mainly typing in a word processor, it may be fine.
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<krotaz>
that kind of stuff
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<sbalneav>
Web scrolling will be a little pokey
00:28
but not too bad.
00:28
<krotaz>
programming??? lets say c++ java under eclipse??
00:28
<sbalneav>
Not familiar with any ide's
00:29
I'd suspect they'd be close to a wordprocessor.
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<krotaz>
yes
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<sbalneav>
I guess the thing to do would be to try it and see.
00:30
If you've got a slow processor, though, make sure you've got more ram
00:30
if you've got a slow processor, AND you're doing network swapping, that's going to kill you
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<krotaz>
ok
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by network swaping you mean network traffic???
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<sbalneav>
Swapping over the network
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if you havent got enough ram, you normally swap memory onto a hard disk
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you dont have one on a thin client, so you swap to the network.
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<krotaz>
ok
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so a good combination wil be a 300 mhz pc with 128 or 256 ram
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<sbalneav>
sure
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<krotaz>
cool
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<netdog>
Hi
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ltsppbot: pastebin?
01:23
!pastebin
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<ltspbot`>
netdog: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
01:23
<netdog>
ahh. one of those.
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<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
01:31
<vagrantc>
netdog: try that
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<netdog>
thanks
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<cyrenity>
hey am getting serious issues in printing with ubuntu +ltsp 4.2
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<cyrenity>
windows can print but thinclient wont
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any idea?
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03:40
<JonNoob>
Hi ogra are you there???
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03:43
<JonNoob>
Anybody know where pxelinux.0 should be?
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03:51
<sep>
JonNoob, where you specify it in your dhcp config.
03:52
<JonNoob>
but is that /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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it is specified as /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 under filename, but there is no directory called ltsp in the root
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<sep>
JonNoob, no. it's usualy in your tftpboot area /var/lib/tftpboot or /tftpboot is common.
03:54
<JonNoob>
ok
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<sep>
JonNoob, try looking in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
03:55
<JonNoob>
found it :-)
03:55
thanks
03:55
Do you know what path needs to be specified in /etc/exports ?
04:06
Does anybody know how /etc/exports should look like?
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<sep>
usualy something like /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,async,no_root_squash) or something
04:15
replace ip with your configl
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<JonNoob>
mine did't have i386 in the end of the path
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and insterad of ip there was an *
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and the option async in the end
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<floppy1234>
hello
04:19
i have a problem with sane(d) under LTSP 4.2 running on debian etch
04:19
i found the scanner with scanimage -L on the Terminal Machine
04:19
i enter the correct ip in the sane.d/net.conf on the server
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but scanimage -L from the server says, it dont found any scanner
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<floppy1234>
http://paste.debian.net/34198 here is the scanimage -L and a nmap -sS
04:27
i think there should be open a port for sane
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<Envit1>
Hola a todos desde España
04:31
Hello all from Spain
04:45
<JonNoob>
Help!!! I really need help before i start crying :'( I installed edubuntu Feisty amd64, ran ltsp-build-client --arch=i386,
04:46
edited dhcpd.conf to fit my network (172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0)
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Integrated logind with my win2003 AD
04:47
But my thin clients won't boot. They get initram, but when the need to do the nfs mount they failes with the messages rpc failed: 2
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<Envit1>
is the fs correctly exported?
04:50
paste here the /etc/exports line about it
04:50
<floppy1234>
can someone help me to solve my problem?
04:51
<Envit1>
floppy1234: try :)
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<floppy1234>
;)
04:52
this is my problem:
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http://paste.debian.net/34198 here is the scanimage -L and a nmap -sS
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and scanimage -L on the terminal's shell has found the scanner
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<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "/etc/exports" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/263
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<Envit1>
floppy1234:
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<Envit1>
the scanimage -L you pasted is in the server, right?
04:53
<floppy1234>
right
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<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "/etc/exports FULL" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/264
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<floppy1234>
Envit1 what can this be?
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<Envit1>
JonNoob: give me an "ls" of your /opt please
04:56
floppy1234: it is normal that the server does not detect a scanner that it DOESN'T have
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<JonNoob>
there is only ltsp in /opt
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<Envit1>
scanimage -L detects local scanners
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or maybe network scanners
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but does not detect scanners connected to other computers
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<floppy1234>
xsane says also there is no scanner
04:57
<Envit1>
xsane uses scanimage so don't mind
04:58
JonNoob: try mounting /opt/ltsp from a full box other than the server itself, e.g. a laptop
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<floppy1234>
i think, the terminal should have open more ports than only the X port
04:58
okay
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<JonNoob>
How do i try that???
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<Envit1>
JonNoob: do you have another computer in the network besides the server?
04:59
<JonNoob>
sure. But what is the command?
04:59
<Envit1>
mount -t nfs 172.x.x.x:/opt/ltsp /mnt (more or less)
05:00
<JonNoob>
ok... Going away to test for a while....
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<Envit1>
floppy1234: maybe. it depends on running services
05:00
16001 for esd
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22 for ssh
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but it all depends on configured services in lts.conf
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AFAIK
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<floppy1234>
moment pleae
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please
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http://paste.debian.net/34201
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;)
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201 is the connected terminal
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<Envit1>
sorry I can't help more, I do not know about XINETD_SERVICES
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besides that, i didn't see anything about opening a different port than X port
05:11
<JonNoob>
Envit1 tried mounting from another independent box. No problems at all
05:15
<Envit1>
JonNoob: are you sure that the box in which you mounted is using the same IP than one of the thin clients?
05:16
<floppy1234>
Envit1 okay
05:16
now it runs
05:16
<JonNoob>
do you mean what ip the independent box have? or do you mean if the thin client is using the same command?
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<floppy1234>
i wrote the saned row into default and comment the seperate machine
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<Envit1>
JonNoob: I mean that you need to check which IP does the thin client have, and which IP does the independent box have, and wether they match or not
05:18
floppy1234: as I said, I can't help more, it's out of my expertise terrain. I'm sorry
05:19
<JonNoob>
the thin client have 172.16.5.92, the independent have 172.16.5.XX
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<Envit1>
JonNoob: ok, it seems you do not have permissions problems. A final test: check if your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny say something particular about 172.16.5.92 or similar
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<JonNoob>
ok
05:24
Nothing in those files
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<JonNoob>
I was wandering if it was a mistake to choose the amd64 version of edubuntu. Maybe I should reinstall with the i386 version
05:25
What do you think?
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<Envit1>
hm
05:27
maybe, but doesn't know
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<JonNoob>
Just heard java and flash doesn't work on 64bit....
05:28
<Envit1>
the client receives correctly it's kernel, am I right?
05:28
<JonNoob>
yes
05:28
initram and kernel recieved correctly.
05:28
<Envit1>
and it receives correctly its ramdisk via TFTP, am I right again?
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ok
05:28
well
05:29
then it seems that the problem is not in the arch
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if ramdisk is ok, and the nfs disk is for 64bit
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what you will see is a correct pivot-root
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after the disk has been nfs-mounted
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_after_
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and the the client will hang, or crash, or...
05:30
start burning ;)
05:30
<JonNoob>
Just lost me... pivot-root?
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<Envit1>
but your client does not receive the nfs disk
05:31
pivot-root: when the kernel changes the absolute filesystem root from the ramdisk to the "local" disk
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<JonNoob>
it keeps getting the ip, rootpath, filename and so on.... and saying rpc faile: 2
05:31
ok. Thanks for explaining
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<Envit1>
check the /var/log files in the server
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specially the messages one
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to try to find a nfs detailed error explanation
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you will see (i hope) the mount requests
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<JonNoob>
did try that earlier... one moment
05:33
Found somthing i didn't see before.
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<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "messages" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/265
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<Envit1>
failed to contact portmap
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<JonNoob>
yep
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<Envit1>
is portmap running?
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<JonNoob>
how do i check that? ps -a | grep portmap?
05:40
<Envit1>
yes
05:40
use A instead of a
05:40
<JonNoob>
it looks like it is running
05:41
4452 ? 00:00:00 portmap
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<Envit1>
hm
05:43
reboot the entire nfs/rpc system
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/etc/init.d nfs-kernel-daemon stop
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<JonNoob>
sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernels-server restart?
05:44
<Envit1>
huh
05:44
sudo
05:44
heh
05:44
it's ubuntu, right
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well
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no
05:44
<JonNoob>
noob :-)
05:44
<Envit1>
don't restart
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stop all nfs services
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nfs-kernel-server
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nfs-user-server
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nfs-common
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<JonNoob>
ok
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<Envit1>
(i think these are their names)
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probably you will have only two of them: one of the servers and the common
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<JonNoob>
got nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common.
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They are stopped
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<Envit1>
ok
05:46
check in which order are they normally started
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in /etc/rc2.d
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and start them again
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<JonNoob>
ok
05:47
nfs-kernel-srver first and then nfs-common
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done
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<Envit1>
ok, taht way :)
05:48
now, tail -f /var/log/messages
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and start the client
05:49
<JonNoob>
same error in messages... Before the client starts....
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<Envit1>
hm
05:50
then you have some kind of nfs/rpc error not related to ltsp, I think
05:50
<JonNoob>
I think so too...
05:57
Envit1 i really appriciate all your help. But i think i have to do a reinstall and see if it does any magic. I must have f... something up.
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and this time with the i386 version
06:00
Thank you for everything...
06:01
<Envit1>
:)
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<yhan>
hi
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06:40
<BlackDark>
wondering something, I got 2 ltsp1220 terms
06:41
in the doc they say to install properly the via video drivers, I would have to install some updates in my local ltsp setup
06:42
can I install this http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/downloads/downloads.html in ltsp 5.0 (ubuntu edgy) ?
06:44
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
06:44
thats the right way to get the driver
06:45
we're working on getting them into gutsy
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<BlackDark>
good thanks Ogra
06:46
the terminal runs with vesa
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it runs nicely with vesa but I supposed that I will get more performace with the proper driver
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<ogra>
no
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but you get things like xv support for videos etc
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<BlackDark>
so hw acceleration
06:48
can use beryl or similar with that ?
06:48
<ogra>
i have one t1220 here running with the openchrome driver the speed in scrolling etc isnt significantly different to vesa
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i dont think you will get composite working on them, but i never tried
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<floppy1234>
so
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back
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<ogra>
so likely no beryl
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<floppy1234>
scanner is running
06:49
<BlackDark>
ok, it's good to know
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<BlackDark>
with the way, how can I get in the bios ?
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<ogra>
for beryl/compiz support intel is really the best option
06:49
<BlackDark>
F1 F2 del, insert doesn't work
06:50
<ogra>
get a client with an intel910 and you wont want to use anything else anymore :)
06:50
<BlackDark>
are there some terminals with intel video board ?
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<ogra>
i dont think so ... sadly :/
06:50
<BlackDark>
most of the terminals are via based
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<ogra>
but running compiz on a laptop with i910 runs better in ltsp tzhan using compiz locally ... way smoother
06:52
<BlackDark>
oh really ?
06:52
<ogra>
yeah
06:52
we tested it at the last ubuntu developer summit (where most ltsp devs were)
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<BlackDark>
at the show in Portland ?
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<BlackDark>
some friends of attended to the show, they told wow those guys boot a terminal in less than 30 sec
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s/of/of me/
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<ogra>
no, in sevilla two months ago
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but gutsys ltsp is well able to boot in 30-40sec :)
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<BlackDark>
the 1220 boots in 70 sec more or less
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<ogra>
there was a lot of change between feisty and gutsy
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<BlackDark>
which still ok
06:55
gusty is 7.10 ?
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<ogra>
right, i never was really concerned about bootspeed anyway, but jammcq always insists we need to be fast as hell :)
06:56
yeah, 7.10
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<BlackDark>
my former terminals boots in 10 minutes
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so 30 sec or 70, doens't matter
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<ogra>
heh, indeed
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<BlackDark>
I got the 1220 for my home installation
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they are diskless and fanless so noiseless
06:57
<ogra>
right
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<BlackDark>
I want to get some silent desks
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so we gonna work all togheter on the same desktop computer
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which will be install somewhere in the basement where we could not hear it
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<ogra>
good plan
06:59
<BlackDark>
the plan has been approuved, I worked well on my waf
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<BlackDark>
I have an ubuntu question
07:02
I'm on the impression that the 2.6.17 kernel is quite slow on single AMD core
07:02
like 2200+ or so
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am I wrong ?
07:04* ogra has to hold an edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now ... bbl
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<JonNoob>
Anybody know where i can download edubuntu server feisty alternate i386??
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<ogra>
http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/feisty/
07:19
<JonNoob>
Which one is the alternate? i can see desktop, Classroom and add-on for i386 and amd64
07:19
<ogra>
server is the one you want
07:19
server-addon has the edu apps
07:20
<JonNoob>
How do i get access to install raid?
07:20
Though i needed some option to select expert mode in the first menu
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<ogra>
hit f6
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(inm the cd bootmenu ... sorry, i'm in a meeting (see above))
07:21
<JonNoob>
that only gives me boot options parameters... Sorry.. didn't wan't to disturb you
07:23
Found it...
07:24
Thank you ogra. You have been a big help the last couple of days.... keep up the good work..
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<ogra>
:)
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<BlueRaid>
Hi. I want to use Localdevs from ltsp-4.2, On 2 Client i installed a local linux for localprinters, now i copy ltspinfod ltspfsd and lbuscd to the clients
07:54
and started them
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<BlueRaid>
now i must set the mountpoints to /tmp/drivers/....
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and then it works?
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<ogra>
BlueRaid, there is a howto somewhere on the wiki .... if you have detailed questions, wait for sbalneav, he's the one knowing that old 4.2 code best
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<BlueRaid>
ok thanks
07:58
on the clients that mount the nfs dir it works finde
07:58
fine
08:01* K_O-Gnom is now for 4 weeks in vacation :-)
08:01
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, enjoy :)
08:02
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: 4 days holiday and 16 days reduction of overtime :-)
08:02
<ogra>
nice
08:03
do you go anywhere or just slacking at home ?
08:03
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: yes ... rest holiday 26 days ..
08:03
ogra: i want to drive my motorbike trough the country but if i look at the weather ... i tought "no" (like homer)
08:04
<ogra>
well, yesterday was fine though
08:04
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: yesterday ... not today ..
08:04* ogra wishes he'd have time to either fix bike or car .... the're both disassembled in the garage since nearly a year now
08:05
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: work more work harder and then take 1/2 year vacation with some holiday days and the rest reduction of overtime :-)
08:05
<ogra>
but i dont even manage to take al my holiday (and we have a policy at canonical that you cant have rest holidays)
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<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: our rest holidays we can use up to march of next year ... if we don't use it then we loose it ..
08:06
<ogra>
.... the danger of working from home ...
08:07
K_O-Gnom, i know, but german law doesnt apply to my contarctor contract :)
08:07
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: the german law says up to 31.12 of actual year ... its only my company wich says you can use it upto march ..
08:08
<ogra>
right
08:08
but all i worked for did that ... so the law is rather moot :)
08:08
<K_O-Gnom>
so if your company wil change it ..
08:08
<ogra>
canonical wont ... its no german company :)
08:08
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: in germany we say PK :-)
08:09
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, weiss ich ;)
08:09
<K_O-Gnom>
PK = Pech kappt ..
08:09
for all english users here wich are listening :-) PK means
08:09
pitch had
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<ogra>
i would have said "selbst schuld" ;)
08:09
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: or that
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<ogra>
!s
08:27
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:27
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:27
Hey ogra!!
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<sbalneav>
How's the tribe going?
08:27
<ogra>
very bad
08:27
<sbalneav>
:(
08:28
<ogra>
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33017/
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<ogra>
no clue why the hash sums dont match
08:29
<sbalneav>
that's kind of ick
08:29
<ogra>
yeah
08:29
mvo is looking
08:29
i have no idea since when that happens
08:30
well ... i can roughly say it was between tribe3 and yesterday :P
08:31
the fun stuff is that the CD installed the complete system right before it breaks in ltsp-client-builder
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so the CD is ok
08:32
<sbalneav>
Maybe related to that apt bug we ran into?
08:33
<ogra>
well, if i compare the sha1sum outputs, the sum is in fact differnt to what the apt debug output says
08:33
(only for the .gz files though)
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<JonNoob>
Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it.
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<BlueRaid>
sbalneav: ogra says me that you know the most of ltsp4.2: I must install a locale kubuntu on the maschine where i manage the printers, but i want to use localdev's on this maschine, too. I've installed ltspfsd, lbuscd ltspinfod and startet them. When i Connect to the Server and start lbussd i get no error but ~/Drivers/ is emptry :-(
08:51
<ogra>
BlueRaid, you didnt talk about kubuntu before ... why are you using 4.2 on a kubuntu system ??
08:51
you should use ltsp5 there
08:51
<sbalneav>
yeah, that was what I was going to ask :)
08:51
ltsp5 will work fine with kubuntu
08:53
<BlueRaid>
yes but i don't isntall a tar i installed kubuntu local on the hardisk and i woud use the "old" methode like in ltsp4.2
08:53
because the other clients use 4.2
08:53
and it works fine
08:55
<sbalneav>
well, run through the checklist then
08:55
!checklist
08:55
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<JonNoob>
Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it.
09:02
<sbalneav>
is it mounted?
09:02
<JonNoob>
Are you asking me?
09:03
<cliebow_>
sbalneav:any trick to setting root pw in the chroot??i chrooted and did passwd root..cant seem to login from ctrl-alt-f2
09:03
<ogra>
cliebow, rebuilt your image ?
09:03
<sbalneav>
yeah
09:03
<cliebow_>
ahh..of course
09:03
<sbalneav>
ltsp-update-image
09:05* sbalneav looks around
09:05
<sbalneav>
JonNoob: Nope, don't see anyone ELSE with a raid problem
09:06
Is it mounted?
09:06
<JonNoob>
sorry.. was interrupted
09:06
Well i don't know. I just started from the install cd.
09:08
<sbalneav>
So, you're trying to install something. Install WHAT? Rather than me playing 20 questions with you, why don't you tell us exactly what you're doing?
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<JonNoob>
ok. sorry... I am installin edubuntu feisty classroom server for the second time. First time i used Raid 1 and I wan't to do it again. When I get to setting up my partitions, i can't delete the old multidisk units
09:11
<sbalneav>
hm
09:11
ok, so you're on the install disk.
09:11
<JonNoob>
it says they might be in use
09:11
yep
09:12
<sbalneav>
Can you alt-f2 to a shell screen?
09:13
<JonNoob>
yes got a busybox console
09:13
<ltsppbot>
"BlueRaid" pasted "localdev troubelshouting" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/266
09:15
<sbalneav>
what happens if you type mdadm --remove /dev/md0
09:16
<JonNoob>
success. Nothing printed...
09:16
<cliebow_>
ahhh.that is betyter
09:16
<JonNoob>
it is still listed in /dev
09:17
<sbalneav>
try the install now
09:17
<ogra>
sbalneav, in case someone asks about re enabling nfs in gutsy, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS i added instructions at the bottom
09:18
<JonNoob>
They are still listed in the install, and i can't delete them
09:22
Can I use the console to remove the partitions and the softwareraid completely?
09:23
<cliebow_>
DUDE!
09:23
ogra"rc.local gets overwritten (re x11vnc)?
09:25
<sbalneav>
JonNoob: yes, but the mdadm command should have done that.
09:25
hm
09:25
<BlueRaid>
when i mount /tmp i get no error but i cant access ~/Drivers/tmp :-/ http://pastebot.ltsp.org/266
09:25
<sbalneav>
ogra: You are a star
09:25
Yikes, the soil guy showed up
09:26
I've got 8 yards of soild on my front lawn!
09:26
BlueRaid: That checklists useless.
09:26
Tells me nothing
09:27
cut and paste the EXACT output of the command in the checklist
09:27
<JonNoob>
any other way of removing an raid?
09:27
<BlueRaid>
ok when you mean ^^
09:28
<sbalneav>
JonNoob: What disks are part of the array?
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<sbalneav>
/dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2?
09:29
<JonNoob>
sda sdb
09:29
<sbalneav>
BlueRaid: ok, well, for instance, I ask for the hostname on the terminal in one step, and the display in the other
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<sbalneav>
put the actual names in.
09:29
you telling me they're the same doesn't mean anything to me. I want to see them for myself.
09:30
JonNoob: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sda
09:30
JonNoob: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sdb
09:30
JonNoob: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda
09:30
JonNoob: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb
09:31
<JonNoob>
Do I need to do it with all these /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb3
09:31
or just the ones you specified in your commands?
09:31
<sbalneav>
if they were part of the raid array, yes.
09:31
do it for the partitions that were part of the raid array
09:33
<JonNoob>
it says it failed. device or resource busy
09:33
to the first command
09:33
<cliebow_>
sbalneav:Scottie..i can start x11vnc manually from commandline..but rc.local seems overwritten..any suggestions on autostarting it
09:34
<sbalneav>
cliebow_: I don't know anything about vnc
09:34
JonNoob: mount -a
09:34
is the md mounted?
09:35
JonNoob: Dude I've got 5 more minutes here. Step up the pace a little
09:36
<JonNoob>
it says mounting none on /dev failed
09:36
<sbalneav>
cat /proc/mounts
09:36
<JonNoob>
it has removed sda2 sda3 sdb2 sdb3 now
09:37
not mounted
09:37
rootfs is mounted!
09:37
<sbalneav>
lets just clear the disk superblock
09:38
so can you install now?
09:38
<JonNoob>
superblock says unrecognised md component device - /dev/sda
09:39
<sbalneav>
ok, try rebooting the installation disk
09:39
should work now
09:39
<JonNoob>
ok.. Thanks for your help...
09:39
:-)
09:39
<sbalneav>
k, I gotta start hauling soil
09:39
out
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<cliebow_>
overandout
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<cliebow_>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:41
<jammcq>
hey chucky
09:41
<cliebow_>
i knew you'd say that 8~
09:41
)
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<ltsppbot>
"BlueRaid" pasted "LocalDev Troubelshouting - I hope not too many ;-)" (77 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/267
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<BlueRaid>
ok
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<JonNoob>
Which kernel should I choose to install for my server? linux-generic, linux-image-386, linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-386?
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<cliebow_>
id guess generic..
10:03
<JonNoob>
ok.. My guess too...
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<BlackDark>
JonNoob, what kind of cpu does yr server have ?
10:07
<JonNoob>
amd64
10:09
<BlackDark>
generic
10:09
<JonNoob>
ok.. thanks
10:15
<exodos>
i'm trying to integrate nx into ltsp, and I found small problem with greeters/gtk. I'm running it piped to script which reads username, pass... and then create a session file for nxclient.
10:16
<BlackDark>
exodos, interesting
10:16
exodos, is it faster than ltsp ?
10:17
<exodos>
on adsl - sure
10:18
<BlueRaid>
what is when you use ssh with compression? It is than faster,too?
10:18
<exodos>
as a target we want to run LTSP from cold data center through adsl lines
10:18
nx compresion is about 10 times faster thand ssh's
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<BlackDark>
exodos, what kind of terminals do you have ?
10:20
<exodos>
its a fanless VIA EPIA
10:20
EPIA-CN IIRC
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<BlackDark>
how fast is the cpu ?
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<mopey>
I have one terminal in a lab where I need to use dual output video for a projector. Is there any way to set a different xorg.conf file for a certain terminal (ltsp5 feisty)?
10:27
Woule the XF86CONFIG_FILE option work?
10:28
<exodos>
BlackDark: 1Ghz
10:28
ogra: are you here?
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<exodos>
ogra: do you know who wrote the greeters/gtk ?
10:29
<cliebow_>
DUDE!
10:32
<vagrantc>
mopey: yes, XF86CONFIG_FILE should work.
10:33
<mopey>
cool. thanks.
10:35
<ogra>
vagrantc, you merged the debconf template changes i saw did you leave the one note intact (notes in udebs are still valid and will stay valid i was told) ?
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<ogra>
exodos, i wrote the python version that was used in all releases up to feisty and i did the initial version of the new C code for ldm2 (gutsy) but that was modified heavily by sbalneav since
10:39
<exodos>
in the ltsp greeter the output from shutdown and reboot commands is sent to greeter stdout and strerr. Is it ok? I assummed I will recive only username and passwords nad it gave me an error
10:39
i'm talking about python verion from feisty
10:40
<ogra>
the backend parses the list of output it gets ...
10:40
just use the two first lines if you dont want the rest
10:40
<exodos>
Im' writing my own backend for nxclient
10:41
<ogra>
right
10:41
make that ignore everything after the second line from the greeter output
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<vagrantc>
ogra: no, i merged the change to an error. it's a one-liner that is easy to fix when All Is Sorted Out.
10:42
<ogra>
argh
10:42
<exodos>
when i press reboot button it tries to login as a user "Stopping NBD client proccess"
10:42
<ogra>
that breaks all CD installs
10:42
(error will stop the install process)
10:42
at least for all systems with only one NIC
10:42
<exodos>
I just dont know if I'm reciving output with username and password or output from shutdown command
10:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah, originally you had just said it would make the screen go red.
10:43
<ogra>
shutdown command will just return the word shutdown iirc
10:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: if it actually breaks the install, i'll change it back.
10:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, thats the default for an error message, yes
10:44
thanks :) helps debian edu as well i guess :)
10:44
<exodos>
ogra: no, caouse the output from '/etc/init.d/nbd-client stop' also goes to greeters stdout
10:44
<ogra>
??
10:44
surely not :)
10:45
it might go to stdout, but for sure not to the greeters stdout
10:45
<exodos>
I got it there
10:45
<ogra>
well, feel free to change the greeter to what you want ... i wont maintain the python code anymnore ....
10:46
<exodos>
m'kay
10:46
<ogra>
we changed everything to C and an interactive greeter
10:46
<exodos>
is the code avaliable somewhere?
10:47
<ogra>
you should probably talk to sbalneav so the new greeter can get interfaces for later implementations of your stuff
10:47
https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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<ogra>
exodos, ^^^^
10:48
<stevnblinux>
ogra: :) Hey there. Just a follow up to yesterday. I did find that the FIrewall update applied about a month ago defaulted the LAN DHCP server to be enabled again. That was the culprit on the job control turned off message. thx.
10:48
<ogra>
ah
10:49
thats mean of the firewall software ....
10:49
<stevnblinux>
yep.
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: May you help me with an incistent Via video card that doesn't work with LTSP 4.2...
11:48
<Gadi>
Guaraldo: i can try - but i have a slightly broken keyboard atm -lol
11:48
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: It just works as vesa...
11:48
<Gadi>
have you tried- trident
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Trident??? Its a Chrome (or something like that)... I'll try!
11:50
<Gadi>
via boards can have either a 'via' chip, 'trident' chip, or you may need the 'unichrome' drivers
11:51
but those you need to add special
11:51
it involves getting the drivers from the sf.net site for the right version of xorg
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Hummm... Its a unichrome...
11:53
<Gadi>
you may need to get drivers (or compile ones) from the sf.net project
11:55
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Thanks...
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<staffencasa>
Screensaver problem... I run ltsp-build-client with --kiosk plugin/extension and Screensaver breaks. I leave off the extension and it works. Anyone know of a reason why that would be?
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<anutile>
having trouble with log out. All user all of a sudden can not log out of desktop. It just sits there at their desktop. Need to ctrl-alt-backspace but of course this leaves alot of left over processes it is using LDM
12:21
<JonNoob>
Hi. Does anybody know how to completely remove a raid1 software raid? It is really slow, so i wan't to begin from scratch.
12:22
<anutile>
look at dpkg-reconfigure it will ask to remove the markings on the drives that associate it with raid maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
12:25
<JonNoob>
it didn't ask to remove any markings. It just wanted to know which md was root
12:27
isn't there someway to use mdadm to shut down the array and bring the disk back to normal? Maybe i need to use fdisk too?
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<anutile>
oh, so explain again your goal, and I should be able to help
12:35
<JonNoob>
I wan't the make the disks non raid, so I can install edubuntu again without troubles with setting up raid.
12:35
I just did a reinstall and the old raid gave me some trouble when reinstalling
12:36
but i made through the install, just to see the raid running very slow, because of some configuration fault.
12:36
I just really want the server back to completely scratch
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<anutile>
I think you will be surprised but my original reply may work out for you. Boot up with a system rescue cd http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page and run the command to remove the md code that is placed on the start of a raid drive to help automate things. It has happened to me before and fdisk does not help. I am at alfred@nationalpriorities.org if you need more help
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<nonsparker>
hello
16:47
anyopne there?
16:48
I have a question about ldm
16:52
<Gadi>
yes - it is bigger than a bread box
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<JonNoob>
anybody know how to break a raid1? I need to remove it COMPLETELY
16:54
<Gadi>
software
16:55
fdisk
16:55
<JonNoob>
yes software
16:55
fdisk... Which parameters?
16:55
<Gadi>
fdisk /dev/hda (or similar)
16:55
then, change the type from within fdisk of the partition
16:56
L to list types
16:56
or m for the menu options
16:56
the type should be software raid
16:56
or Linux raid
16:56
change to just Linux
16:56
and reformat
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after you write the changes from fdisk
16:56
<nonsparker>
can someone help me disable ldm
16:56
<JonNoob>
But will that remove the md 7dev/md0 ??
16:57
<Gadi>
nonsparker: disable why
16:57
<nonsparker>
I don't want the users to have to log in
16:57
<Gadi>
JonNoob: it will reformat the drive
16:57
<nonsparker>
for like a kiosk
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<Gadi>
JonNoob: you must do this from a rescue cd
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<Gadi>
nonsparker: if you used ltsp-build-client --kiosk, i believe you are running local gdm
16:58
<JonNoob>
ok
16:58
<Gadi>
not ldm
16:58
JonNoob: it will hose the system
16:58
and all info when you do this
16:58
be warned
16:58
<nonsparker>
no i am using edubuntu server
16:58
<JonNoob>
that is fine. Just what i want
16:58
Thanks gadi
16:59
<Gadi>
nonsparker: if you want autologin, you can use my patch to ldm
16:59
<nonsparker>
that would be great
16:59
<Gadi>
that will allow you to have local devices and sound and such
16:59
let me find the link...
16:59
<nonsparker>
where can i find it?
17:00
thank you soooo much
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<Gadi>
http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm
17:01
replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
17:01
then, you can either do:
17:02
LDM_USERNAME=hostname|
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note the | at the end
17:02
<nonsparker>
ok
17:02
<Gadi>
and then set up users on the system that have the same username as the hostnames on the client
17:02
you will need to assign hostnames to the clients using dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts
17:03
<nonsparker>
ok
17:03
<Gadi>
and then you can either use ssh keys instead of password or use:
17:03
LDM_PASSWORD
17:03
<nonsparker>
is there a way to use one log in for everyone?
17:03
<Gadi>
which will be very insecure and use the same password for all system users
17:03
you dont want to do that
17:04
linux apps wont work properly if you do
17:04
like firefox and others
17:04
linux really wants one user using a username at a time
17:04
<nonsparker>
all these stations are going to do is log into a web front end to Citrix
17:04
ok
17:05
I understand
17:05
<Gadi>
if that is all, you may want to just rebuild the chroot with the --kiosk option
17:05
and then install into the chroot the plugins needed
17:05
that way, all the stations will run locally
17:05
the only downside is you wont have printing
17:06
which i guess you may want
17:06
<nonsparker>
all the prinitng is handled thru Citrix
17:06
<Gadi>
but to local print queues or to network printers
17:06
<nonsparker>
network
17:07
<Gadi>
ah, in that case, you may want to experiment with this-
17:07
mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386-orig
17:07
sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk
17:08
that should give you a barebones firefox running locally on each thin client kiosk
17:08
<nonsparker>
ok
17:08
<Gadi>
then, you can add plugins/java, etc to the chroot
17:08
<nonsparker>
Gadi you are the man
17:08
<Gadi>
with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install <pkg
17:08
<nonsparker>
Thank you very much
17:09
<Gadi>
good luck
17:09
<nonsparker>
thanks a bunch!
17:09
<Gadi>
its still bigger than a bread box ;)
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<JonNoob>
Gadi.. I am hopeless. I really need to get it step by step.. Sorry.... i booted the rescuecd and ran fdisk /dev/sda
17:17
<Gadi>
hit m for menu
17:17
JonNoob: if all you want to do is delete the partitions, just go through and do:
17:17
<JonNoob>
yep
17:17
<Gadi>
d
17:17
<partition number
17:17
until there are none left
17:17
then 'w'
17:17
and write the changes
17:17
<JonNoob>
ok
17:20
i think that did the trick... thanks
17:24
<Gadi>
np
17:24
its always easy to break things ;)
17:27
<JonNoob>
Love breaking things :-)
17:35
<cliebow>
Gadi is a good man..
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<nonsparker>
Gadi are you still there?
18:03
<Gadi>
barely
18:03
im in and out
18:04
<nonsparker>
sorry to bother you again
18:04
<Gadi>
no bother 'tall
18:04
<nonsparker>
I tried the Kiosk and it worked
18:04
I just cant connect to the internet
18:05
<Gadi>
ah. check your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf option routers setting
18:05
<nonsparker>
I followed the thinclient nat howto on the ubuntu wiki
18:05
<Gadi>
change it to the ip of the server
18:05
then, you need to nat through the server
18:05
<nonsparker>
ok i will check it out
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<Gadi>
if my keyboard werent broken id give you the commands
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but i cant produce a greater than sign atm
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lol
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<nonsparker>
lol
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<Gadi>
echo 1 [greater than] /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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uncomment the similar line in /etc/sysctl.conf
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sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
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sudo iptables-save
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<nonsparker>
how long have you been working with linux?
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<Gadi>
too long
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;)
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<nonsparker>
lol
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<Gadi>
but i only spilled coffee on my keyboard yesterday
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<nonsparker>
that sucks
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was it an expensive one?
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<Gadi>
its my lappy
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<nonsparker>
ouch
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<Gadi>
course my lappy is 5 years old
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and i have another junked one that i can harvest the keyboard from
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thats tonight's project
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;)
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<nonsparker>
ahhhh
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<Gadi>
once the kids go to bed
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<nonsparker>
cool
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well thanks for the help
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<Gadi>
np
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<nonsparker>
go play with your kids
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<Gadi>
good luck
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<nonsparker>
and have a good night
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<Gadi>
u 2
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<cliebow>
2u
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<Janet32766>
does anyone have any clues for me? ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 # gives: SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
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<petre>
evening all
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anyone know if I can configure the dhcp server to ignore certain devices based on MAC address?
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That is, not give them an IP address?
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<Q-FUNK>
morning :)
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