IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<daya>
channel, I have configured ltsp http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto by follwoing lower step, and configure asound.conf as in Readme file, but sound still not working
00:02
<moquist>
Hmm. But stat only ever works once per mount, and not consistently.
00:02
<daya>
any suggestion,
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01:05
<daya>
ogra, I have installed ltsp by following lower step of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, and configure to use sound as in READEME.sound file but still sound is not working
01:05
ogra, any idea,
01:06
ogra, I have tested using totem, and installed libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 also,
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07:13
<sonjag>
Good morning. I have a server running edubuntu 7.04 that is running as just a file server (NFS) for my home folder. There is an application called evince-thumbnail that keeps running hard. It's always on the top of top and taking up quite a bit of of CPU power. When I ps this process, I get the following result...
07:13
borg 7146 99.9 0.3 31288 15464 ? R 08:01 9:15 evince-thumbnailer -s 128 file:///home/borg/Desktop/FOPRT01.PDF /tmp/.gnome_thumbnail.LZIG1T
07:13
<ogra>
disable it in gconf-editor
07:13
unless you feel you urgently need pdf thumbnails :)
07:14
run it as: sudo gconf-editor
07:14
<sonjag>
Ogra: Nope, no urgent need. Can you tell me what to do in gconf-editor? Used it before but not for this.
07:14
<ogra>
unset the keys for the pdf thumbnailer and make them default and mandatory (in the context menu for the key)
07:15
that will disable it systemwide
07:16
you look for /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf i think
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07:17
<ogra>
(there might be others for zipped pdf etc ... look for them as well)
07:17
<sonjag>
ogra: I got that far. I see 2 options there: command and enable. Enable is checked. Is that what you recommend to uncheck?
07:20
<ogra>
right
07:20
ten right click the key and make it default and mandatory
07:21
<sonjag>
okay, did that.
07:21
Evince-thumbnailer is still running from before. Can I just pkill that?
07:21
<ogra>
unless a user has fiddled with it manually that should be disabled systemwide now for all newly logged in users
07:21
yes, you can kill it
07:22
<sonjag>
Thanks! And good afternoon (?) to you. Back home now?
07:22
<ogra>
yep
07:22
since monday
07:22
still recovering from jetlag :)
07:23
<sonjag>
Almost time to kick back for you :)
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07:25
<sonjag>
argh... one more thing. I can't seem to get the syntax for killing this process. Help?
07:25
<ogra>
sudo killall -9 evince-thumbnailer
07:26
should kill them all at once
07:27
<sonjag>
Still the little things for me... forgot to sudo so it wasn't doing anything. Thanks!
07:27
<ogra>
:)
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07:33
<sonjag>
top
07:33
oops, wrong window....
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07:35
<gamed|ph>
hi
07:37
I'm using edubuntu with LTSP and have a dedicated maschine for DHCP and TFTP... how I can tell my clients to use the ip of the LTSP-Server?
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07:37
<gamed|ph>
kernel parameter in pxelinux.0/default?
07:37
*pxelinux.cfg/default
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07:39
<ogra>
which release ?
07:39
tsk
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07:49
<cliebow_>
ogra: append="quiet splash nbdport=2001"???
07:49
<ogra>
yep
07:49
<cliebow_>
Cool!
07:50
<ogra>
(if the ppc image is on 2001 indeed)
07:50
make sure to use the port defined in inetd.conf
07:50
<cliebow_>
yessiree!!
07:53
ltsp-update-image created an i386 image..but not powerpc.img
07:54
last words..port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf
07:54
Info : taking no action
07:55
inetd seems listening on 2001...
07:56
<ogra>
is ppc listed in the config for port 2001 ?
07:56
shoudl point to /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
07:58
to update a ppc iage you would use: sudo ltsp-update-image -a powerpc
07:58
*image
07:58
<cliebow_>
ok!
07:58
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
07:58
2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
07:58
<ogra>
perfect
07:58
<cliebow_>
Very good.,ill try that
07:58
<ogra>
ltsp-update-image --help has some intresting info btw :)
07:59
<cliebow_>
great..\
07:59
little endian?
08:00
<ogra>
shouldnt matter
08:00
<cliebow_>
ok..give er a whirl
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08:17
<masus>
hi all, whats the different between BOOTP and PXE
08:17
can i boot from dhcp with both of them
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08:23
<sbalneav>
masus: bootp's an old protocol
08:24
<masus>
is it possible to use it ltsp ?
08:24
with ltsp
08:26
<sbalneav>
Ok, perhaps you could explain why you want to? Most people now use dhcp/pxe
08:26
<masus>
my pc's have only these protocol bootp
08:27
<sbalneav>
What kind of pc's are these?
08:28
<masus>
old pc's i think pentium II
08:28
i'll see one mom
08:28
<sbalneav>
I doubt they're really bootp. I suspect standard dhcp/pxe will work on them.
08:29
<masus>
Pentium II (Deschutes) cpu MHz : 348.948
08:29
howto activate it dhcp/pxe ?
08:29
on the clients
08:30
<sbalneav>
Usually, you just select "Network boot" in the bios setup
08:30
<masus>
yes
08:30
but it says me
08:30
can't find bootp server
08:30
bootp canceled by keystroke
08:30
<sbalneav>
Well, do you have a dhcp/tftp server set up?
08:31
<masus>
yes well, my new pc's are working fine
08:31
only the old ones not ...
08:31
<sbalneav>
ok, so then maybe they won't work.
08:31
so you've got a couple of options.
08:32
1) Replace the ethernet cards in them with something else that supports pxe.
08:32
<masus>
so that was the answer i think
08:32
<sbalneav>
2) Put etherboot on a floppy and boot them that way.
08:32
<masus>
is pxe from mainboard or from ethernet card
08:33
<sbalneav>
It can be either.
08:33
Intel E100 cards come with pxe on the card.
08:34
so simply disable the onboard ethernet port in the bios, and the card's pxe will take over.
08:34
<masus>
so i have to disable Network Boot ??
08:34
in bios ..
08:34
<sbalneav>
No, not network boot.
08:34
<masus>
oh sorry, it's not onboard
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08:35
<sbalneav>
ok, so what kind of ethernet card is it?
08:35
<masus>
one mom
08:35
00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05)
08:35
<sbalneav>
That will boot pxe
08:36
Go into the card setup
08:36
<masus>
card setup ?
08:36
<sbalneav>
alt s or control s or something like that.
08:36
when the bios boots, you should see a message
08:36
go in there, and change the boot protocol from BOOTP to PXE
08:36
<masus>
ooo ok i'll try one mom please
08:36
<sbalneav>
That's an E100 card.
08:37
<masus>
ok one mom please i'll try
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08:42
<sbalneav>
Morning gadi
08:42
ogra: You about now?
08:42
<Gadi>
morning
08:42
whats the word on the street?
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08:44
<sbalneav>
I hear Gadi's got a bad internet connection, that's what I hear :)
08:44
<masus>
nothing :/
08:44
<vistr>
masus, may be possible to update the firmware on the ethernet cards??
08:45
<masus>
bios or ethernet cards ?
08:45
:)
08:46
<sbalneav>
masus: Did you get into the setup for the card?
08:46
<masus>
no
08:46
it's not working ,
08:46
alt+s or ctrl+s
08:46
i have try it 3 times
08:47
<sbalneav>
What message does it say? Do you see the ether express message on the bios bootup?
08:47
<masus>
i see only bootp cancelled by keystroke
08:48
and then debian
08:48
:)
08:50
<sbalneav>
Well, I have those cards, and I know you can get into the card's setup, and select either bootp or pxe
08:50
As well, you may be able to update the firmware on the card.
08:51
<vistr>
went and checked my cards they are a rev08, updated the firmware on the cards two weeks ago
08:52
<masus>
maybe i have to update my bios ..
08:52
it's an old version 1999 :/
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08:54
<cliebow_>
weird:tftp stops midway...
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08:55
<cliebow_>
36000 packets and stops
08:55
<sbalneav>
I hear Gadi's got a bad internet connection, that's what I hear on the streets. :)
08:56
<Gadi>
lol
08:56
<vistr>
Intel® PRO/100+ Management Adapter, update firmware with Intel Boot Agent for Intel Network Adapters 12.3
08:56
<Gadi>
I know!
08:56
turn around and gaim crashes
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09:06
<sonjag>
morning everyone!
09:09
<sbalneav>
Morning
09:09
Urgh.
09:09
This isn't good
09:09
feniks$ bzr commit -m "New upstream layout"
09:09
bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.UnlockableTransport: Cannot lock: transport is read only: <bzrlib.transport.http._pycurl.PyCurlTransport url=http://ltsp.org/%7Esbalneav/ltspfs/.bzr/repository/>
09:09
Traceback (most recent call last):
09:09
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 817, in run_bzr_catch_errors
09:09
return run_bzr(argv)
09:09
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 779, in run_bzr
09:10
What's wrong with this silly thing, I wonder
09:10
<cliebow_>
my silly thing is broken too...
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09:11
<sonjag>
sbalneav, can you tell me where to read up on the load balancing you told me about at the summit? I'd like to try that out.
09:12
sbalneav, oops, when you're not working on the really intense stuff you just posted :)
09:12
<sbalneav>
sonjag: It's in the edubuntu handbook
09:13
Already installed on your gutsy box :)
09:14
<sonjag>
sbalneav, I'm not gutsy, I'm fiesty. Is it in my version too?
09:14
<sbalneav>
No
09:15
load balancing's only in gutsy.
09:18
<sonjag>
sbalneav, bummer! I guess I'm back to dhcp load balancing or separating my machines on the lan unless I get gutsy enough to upgrade to gutsy.....
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10:01
<masus>
sbalneav:are u there ?
10:03
<sbalneav>
masus: Yep
10:03
<masus>
how to make (PXE boot) firmware update for the 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05)
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10:04
<masus>
:)
10:04
<sbalneav>
Don't know. Download the update from Intel, and follow their instructions.
10:04
<masus>
oh ok
10:05
<sbalneav>
I haven't had to update firmware on a card for a long time.
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10:08
<lns>
can anyone URL me on ubuntu/edubuntu localapp documentation for muekow?
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10:09
<sbalneav>
Doesn't exist...
10:09
yet :)
10:09
<lns>
oh. =)
10:09
<sbalneav>
We're working on it for hardy.
10:09
<lns>
docs don't exist, or localapp support doesn't?
10:09
<sbalneav>
http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/
10:10
localapp doesn't
10:10
<lns>
oucccccccccccch
10:10
<sbalneav>
we're going to be working on it over the next couple of months
10:10
<lns>
right on =)
10:10
<sbalneav>
localapps has NEVER really existed.
10:10
it's always been a huge PITA to set up.
10:10
<lns>
interesting =) yeah, that's what i've always gathered when reading about it
10:11
<ogra>
it wont be anymore :)
10:11
<lns>
=)
10:11
<sbalneav>
That's the plan, stan.
10:11
<lns>
that is always very good news!
10:11
<sbalneav>
ogra: saw you just commented on the ltspfs bug.
10:11
<ogra>
yeah
10:12
<sbalneav>
What do we want to do to push out a fix?
10:12
<ogra>
yeah
10:12
<sbalneav>
Should I update my tree on launchpad, and you can push an update?
10:13
<ogra>
yep
10:14
<sbalneav>
ok, gimme a few minutes
10:14* ogra needs to read up about the process ...
10:14
<sbalneav>
heh
10:15
<daya>
channel, I have installed LTSP by follwoing lower part of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto in etch , and configure as said in README.sound file but,sound still not working in client,
10:15
I have also installed the required plugins for sound application such as xmms, and totem to use pulseaudio,
10:15
from pulseaudio.org
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10:19
<sbalneav>
ogra: ok, both ltspfs-upstream and scotts-gutsy have been pushed.
10:20
<ogra>
yay
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10:24
<sbalneav>
ltspfs-upstream should be rev 13, scotts-gutsy rev 487
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10:32
<ltsppbot>
"lns" pasted "libflashsupport" (45 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/351
10:34
<sbalneav>
lns: Where'd you get the source from?
10:34
<lns>
sbalneav, sorry - wrong chan. i got it straight from revolutionlinux though
10:35
<nep>
daya, sound should work , as it is well described in the README file,
10:35
daya, perhaps other experts in the channel may assist u
10:36
<sbalneav>
lns: they have a bzr repo? Or do you have a link to the download?
10:36
fgiraldeau isn't here.
10:37
<lns>
sbalneav, it was right from their site..lemme find it
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10:39
<ltsppbot>
"lns" pasted "libflashsupport" (105 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/352
10:40
<lns>
ogra, that's what happens after -Werror is removed from the makefile
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10:57
<ogra>
warnings are not turned into errors anymore
10:57
but you are missing all the build-deps
10:57
<lns>
ogra, gotcha...i'm installing the deps as we type...very slow connection at the schools right now for some reason
10:57
<ogra>
the dev files for esd, libpulse and libssl
10:58
<lns>
i need devs for esd in gutsy?
10:59
<ogra>
you could comment out all esd related stuff in the makefile and code
10:59
but its easier to just install the libesd-dev package
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11:00
<lns>
klausade, i'll do that...i just didn't know how that worked w/pulseaudio now. do you have any good documentation on how pulse/alsa/etc is set up w/ltsp? I need to study that
11:00
err...ogra =p
11:03
<ogra>
on the client the standard ubuntu alsa setup cares for the drivers ... on top of that pulseaudio is started listening on a native pulse port and on a esd emulation port
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11:04
<ogra>
if you log in to your session a bunch of variables is set ...
11:04
PULSE_SERVER and ESPEAKER are among them
11:04
<lns>
ogra, that makes it much clearer... =) Thank you
11:04
<ogra>
they tell an pulse or esound client to redirect to the clients soundcard
11:05
on top of that libasound-plugins sits with a pulse modules and emulates an alsa soundcard
11:05
<lns>
hmm
11:05
<ogra>
so the default output for your sound should always be alsa
11:05
<lns>
oh
11:06
i wonder if that might have something to do with it
11:06
besides the obvious no libflashsupport that is...i configured for everything to be 'pulseaudio' in the gnome sound config
11:06
<ogra>
in ubuntu the gstreamer autodetection will always default to alsa if it finds a card
11:06
<lns>
oh ok
11:07
so even if i change that manually, it'll be lost after reboot?
11:07
<ogra>
thats why totem rhythmbox etc work out of the box
11:07
and volume control works
11:07
<lns>
right..i was very happy to see that start working =)
11:08
<warren>
pulseaudio alsa emulation is problematic with Flash plugin's alsa
11:08
<ogra>
yep
11:08
<warren>
only way we could get it to work reliably was with libflashsupport (lennart's version, not the more common version floating around)
11:08
<ogra>
libflashsupport solves that
11:08
<warren>
You can check it out from pulseaudio's upstream source repo
11:09
<ogra>
we have it linked on the ubuntu LTSP and edubuntu FAQs
11:09
<warren>
which link?
11:09
<lns>
oh now there's a NEW one? =p
11:09
lol
11:09
<ogra>
i plan to get it in the archive for hardy
11:09
<lns>
ok lemme find that
11:09
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
11:10
http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.0~2219-1_i386.deb
11:10
<lns>
ty ogra
11:10
<ogra>
wprks fine here
11:10
<warren>
http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio#Compile_.2F_Install_from_source
11:10
<ogra>
*works
11:10
<lns>
right - again though, i'm using amd64
11:10
<ogra>
its just not 64bit capable it seems
11:10
<warren>
the version mentioned here is buggy according to the pulseaudio lead developer
11:11
<ogra>
i'll put lennarts package into hardy then
11:11
<warren>
ogra, we got flash plugin working out-of-the-box on x86_64 firefox on Fedora 8.
11:11
ogra, let me get you the source, hold a sec
11:11
<ogra>
but first the licence issues need to be solved
11:11
<warren>
ogra, license issue?
11:11
<ogra>
libflahsupport has an apple license
11:11
<Gadi>
that would be the 'license to rock' ;)
11:11
<warren>
ogra, what? it is supposed to be BSD.
11:11
<lns>
Gadi, ugh =p
11:12
can't we all just code along? =p
11:12* Gadi apologizes....
11:12
<ogra>
last time i looked there was a note from apple in there
11:12
warren, dont worry bout it, i have to look into it anyway
11:12
i'll keep you updated
11:13* ogra goes for dinner
11:13
<lns>
have good eating ogra
11:13
thx for the help so far
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11:13
<warren>
ogra, I just looked at the license just now
11:14
ogra, it is basically BSD
11:14
ogra, I personally negotiated that license with Adobe
11:14
<lns>
warren, you have ties w/adobe?
11:15
<ogra>
warren, sorry Apple/Adobe indeed
11:15
it had a note about needing approval for modifications or so iirc
11:15* ogra now goes to get the source
11:17
<warren>
ogra, I don't see anything like that
11:17
Adobe Systems Incorporated grants to you a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive,
11:17
no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license, to reproduce,
11:17
prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and
11:17
distribute this source code and such derivative works in source or
11:17
object code form without any attribution requirements.
11:17
The name "Adobe Systems Incorporated" must not be used to endorse or promote products
11:17
derived from the source code without prior written permission.
11:17
<ogra>
hmm, right its different now ... there was a paragraph below the Revolution Linux copyrigth last time i looked
11:18
i had packaged it already and it was refused by our archive managers because of that
11:18
<warren>
I have no idea where that came from
11:18
the original version from adobe didn't have it
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11:19
<lns>
ok, i've got libflashsupport compiled and installed in /usr/lib! =)
11:19
<ogra>
it was pre 1.0 more than a year ago
11:19
<warren>
hmmm
11:19
<ogra>
i had it from revolutionlinux back then iirc
11:19
(it was only the .c file and a README with instructions)
11:19
<warren>
The revolutionlinux version according to lennart is buggy
11:20
<ogra>
anyway, great to see its ok
11:20
<warren>
use lennart's version
11:20
<ogra>
i will
11:20* warren gets lunch
11:20
<ogra>
does he work at RH now ?
11:20
<lns>
warren, can you link to lennart's ver ? i can't find it off the rl links
11:20
<ogra>
lennart is pulseaudio upstream
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11:20
<ogra>
just look at the pulse homepage
11:21
<lns>
oh k..thx
11:22
<vistr>
masus, are you still around?
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11:27
<vistr>
masus, Download Intel Boot Agent for Intel Network Adapters 12.3, unpack with windows, install upgrade with dos
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<lns>
i'd love to see the full source for flash and shockwave released in the wild by some disgruntled adobe employee =p
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<warren>
lns, wouldn't help us.... we can't ship blatantly stolen code, it is a bit easier to prosecute for copyright violations.
11:32
<lns>
warren, what's the fun in all that legal stuff. ;) j/k
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<lns>
warren, i'm assuming the resulting libflashsupport.so is portable between (same arch) systems?
11:42
or should i just go through the motions on each server i have
11:44
<daya>
ogra, as per vagrant I have done all the step in etch, but sound still not working any idea,
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<daya>
lns, have u ever tried sound in client in case of etch
11:55
<lns>
daya, i use Ubuntu Gutsy on my servers
11:56
<daya>
lns, oh, I have tried since few month in etch, but still not succeed , ogra and vagranct has told it will, but although I have followed all the step , I couldn't get it
11:57
<lns>
daya, are you talking about flash sound, or just sound in general?
11:57
<daya>
lns, no, just sound in general,
11:58
<ogra>
lns, did you try gnash ?
12:00
<lns>
ogra, i actually haven't - last time Idid on my machine, it wouldn't even bring up youtube reliably
12:00
<ogra>
i heard thats fixed in the gutsy version
12:00
<lns>
i guess i could give it a shot
12:00
i just hope it's reliable enough for 35 concurrent students using ltsp clients
12:01
<ogra>
you could use it even with 64bit FF and the icedtea 64bit sun java
12:01
<lns>
ogra, i just found out about icedtea last night..is that supposed to be stable?
12:02
<ogra>
our java maintainer asked for inclusion on the CD .... but to late in the cycle ....
12:02
<lns>
wow
12:02
<ogra>
so accoring to that it seems he considers it stable :)
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<lns>
hmm =)
12:02
ok, so if gnash works (with sound natively without all the libflashsupport stuff)
12:03
and icedtea works well too
12:03
<ogra>
it uses alsa :)
12:03
<lns>
i just need shockwave sound support from cxoffice
12:03
<ogra>
make cxoffice use alsa
12:03
there should be an option (i know there is in wine)
12:04
<lns>
mmmm....64-bit browser returns..... *drool*
12:04
=) i just really hope gnash is up for the job
12:04
<Nuba1>
doesnt work for me
12:04
gnash that is
12:04
<lns>
Nuba1, what are the issues?
12:05
<Nuba1>
blank screen
12:05
<ogra>
hey at least 64Bit FF can make full use of your 8Gig for all its memory holes
12:05
<lns>
heh
12:05
and you don't have to do the whole "gtklp" for printing
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<Nuba1>
64 bit seems far more stable to me too
12:06
<ogra>
http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Edubuntu_7.10_Classroom_Server_(x86_64) .... finnish ... but look at the bottom
12:07
he apparently has it working
12:08
<lns>
ogra, that's not the flash9 plugin w/nspluginwrapper?
12:08
<Nuba1>
yeah, weird... I get a blank screen, but maybe its cause I've got a whole bunch of other flash stuff installed too
12:09
<ogra>
lns, the picture caption sounds like its gnash i'd say
12:09
<Nuba1>
:-)
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<lns>
hmm...i don't see that, but i can still give it a roll.. im just scared that all of this modification is going to leave me in a state of flux
12:11* ogra ponders to learn finnish, thats a beautifully clean documentation
12:11
<Nuba1>
doesnt work for me
12:11
<lns>
heh
12:13
<Nuba1>
I uninstalled nspluginswrapper and flashplugin-nonfree
12:13
restarted firefox and no go
12:14
<lns>
Nuba1, did you install gnash though? =)
12:14
and i fixed the git problem, you have to install curl
12:16
<Nuba1>
sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash
12:16
<lns>
hmm, but now i need a later version of pulse...
12:16
<Nuba1>
worked fine
12:16
<lns>
Requested 'libpulse >= 0.9.7' but version of libpulse is 0.9.6 (this is for flash9 libflashsupport.so from PA)
12:16
Nuba1, and still no go?
12:16
<Nuba1>
nope
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<Nuba1>
I'm back to what you're doing :-)
12:17
<lns>
hehe
12:19* sutula thanks ogra, lns, and warren for the previous flash/sound discussion...has it working now on Etch/backports
12:19
<ogra>
\o/
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<lns>
sutula, wanna give us any insight? =p
12:23
<Nuba1>
think thats 32 bit
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<lns>
ah
12:27
i'm confusing myself as to which version i'm trying to fix now. =p
12:29
<Nuba1>
checking cvs gnash now
12:33
except there's no configure script where there should be
12:37
<lns>
check this out
12:37
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/129788
12:37
check the bottom few comments, maybe swfdec-mozilla is a possible solution?
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<Nuba1>
jeez
12:41
published 5 hours ago
12:41
:-)
12:41
swfdec-mozilla 0.54 that is
12:41
so yeah that has pulse support and should be a solution
12:42
<lns>
=)
12:42
are you onsite still?
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12:42
<Nuba1>
yes
12:42
<lns>
go go gadget SWFDEC-MOZILLA!
12:42
=)
12:43
i can't believe how bleeding edge flash sound support is, especially for 64-bit =p
12:43
<Nuba1>
indeed... well 64 bit is bleeding edge still
12:44
in general
12:44
everything requires a hack
12:45
<lns>
reminds me of the Windows-on-windows 16-to-32-bit days...
12:46
it's just horrible how so much hinges on flash, shockwave and java browser plugins, and how tightly they are (mostly) controlled.
12:46
makes me sick.
12:46
<Nuba1>
those are good examples of how bad closed source is
12:46
staggers innovation
12:47
<lns>
right...bad to those who want to share, good for those with dollar signs in their eyes at all times
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<lns>
Nuba1, are you testing swfdec right now?
12:50
<mcfloppy_>
can i install ltsp 4.1 AND 5.0 on one server?
12:50
<Nuba1>
trying... same error as with gnash
12:50
blank screen
12:50
but this must be because of something else
12:50
<lns>
hmm..yeah, sounds like it
12:50
<Nuba1>
going to test with normal flash again
12:50
<lns>
mcfloppy_, why would you want to do that (out of curiosity)?
12:50
Nuba1, yeah, i think that requires regular flashplugin-nonfree
12:51
<Nuba1>
mcfloppy, u can yeah
12:51
<Gadi>
anybody here seeing some bugs in gutsy's rdesktop? in particular with freezing sessions or making X go black?
12:52
<Nuba1>
yeah same thing with flashplugin-nonfree
12:52
nothing shows up
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<lns>
Nuba1, that's really weird
12:53
you should at *least* have video
12:53
it must be pulling a bad version of libflashplugin.so or something from firefox
12:53
what's it say in firefox when you go to about:plugins ?
12:54
<Nuba1>
u mean under file types?
12:56
<mcfloppy_>
lns ihave some 8363 ibm netvista ;)
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<gamed|ph>
Hi, anybody knows how to configure the ip of the ltsp-server with edubuntu? I'm using a maschine for dhcp/tftp and one for ltsp/nfs/ssh...
12:57
<mcfloppy_>
at the moment i deliver the n2200 linux over pxe&nfs to the clients and then i start manualy /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -query 192.168.0.200
12:59
<lns>
Nuba1, i mean the flash version that comes up in firefox when you go to about:plugins in the address bar
13:00
<sutula>
lns: Sorry...I wandered off...did you get anywhere?
13:00
<Nuba1>
File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
13:01
<sutula>
lns: For my server, I just needed to install the libflashsupport .deb that ogra mentioned
13:01
<lns>
sutula, ahh..for 32bit
13:01
<sutula>
lns: Sound was otherwise working before, though
13:01* sutula nods
13:01* Nuba1 beats his head against a wall
13:02
<lns>
lol
13:02
<Nuba1>
come on... there are like 5 solutions and non work?
13:02
<lns>
Nuba1, not that it matters, but there is a new RC for adobe flash (64)
13:03
<sutula>
lns: In the same directory, there was full source...could you compile a .deb if architecture is all that's standing in the way?
13:03
<Nuba1>
sutula we've been down that road
13:03
<sutula>
Nuba1: ok...sorry...am not following the discussion closely
13:03
<lns>
Nuba1, but i'm wondering *how* buggy the revolutionlinux one is
13:04
measuring the level of difficulty trying to get this new one going
13:04
<Nuba1>
well, what now... I had flash before, now its gone completely
13:05
<lns>
Nuba1, in all reality, all the flash plugin is is the libflashplayer.so file
13:06
if you are sure to remove all the packages such as flashplugin-nonfree, gnash, etc... and search/destroy any remaining libflashplayer.so files, maybe you can start from a new slate then
13:06
that's the only thing I can think of, unless the audio is getting in the way of the video portion of the plugin, crashing it or whatever
13:07
but i'm not experienced enough to know the intimacies of that
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<frownix>
evening folks
13:08
<lns>
hey frownix
13:08
<frownix>
heya lns..how's your sound comming along?
13:08
<lns>
heh
13:09
funny you should mention that
13:09
;)
13:09
<frownix>
haha
13:09* frownix hides
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<Nuba1>
well removed everything and its still there
13:09
File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
13:09
<lns>
Nuba1, you reloaded ff right?
13:09
<Nuba1>
yes
13:09
<lns>
could there be a plugin in your home dir .mozilla or .firefox config dir?
13:09
<Nuba1>
hmmm
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13:10
<Nuba1>
:-)
13:10
indeed there is
13:10
<lns>
frownix, the basic answer is that we don't have it going yet
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13:10
<lns>
but we've found about 5 possible solutions
13:10
all of which aren't working so great
13:10
lol
13:10
<frownix>
haha
13:10
<lns>
Nuba1, cool
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<frownix>
well, life would to boring if everything "just worked" :-)
13:11
<lns>
frownix, i could go for boring at this point =)
13:11
<frownix>
hahah
13:11
<lns>
happy 11:11 (PST)
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<mcfloppy_>
how does a normal ltsp 4.2 client connect to the server? something like that: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -query 192.168.0.200 ?
13:13
<frownix>
my experience is this; the "old" workstations you get your hands on today are normally good enough to run the apps locally. that in turn saves a LOT of trouble with sound/flash/video and what have you
13:13
<Nuba1>
ok, now to eliminate... swfdec no go
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<frownix>
still from a diskless solution though
13:13
<Nuba1>
flash is there but no sound
13:14
<lns>
frownix, things are incredibly complicated when you have a 64-bit server/OS install and 32-bit clients however
13:14
<frownix>
lns, not at all, that's how I run it
13:14
<Nuba1>
does gnash need nspluginwrapper?
13:15
<lns>
Nuba1, no
13:15
<frownix>
the clients have nothing to do with the server arch
13:15
<lns>
frownix, they do if you're running localapps =)
13:15
<frownix>
not at my sites;-)
13:16
<lns>
how do you figure running 64-bit firefox locally on a 32-bit client?
13:16
<frownix>
the chroot could be hosted on a ibm mainframe, and still deliver i386 to the clients
13:16
chroot a 32 build install for the clients
13:16
make that 32bit ;-)
13:17
<lns>
frownix, not following...
13:17
<frownix>
my server(s) are all 64 bit, serving via eden's 32 bit clients
13:17
<lns>
ok
13:17
<frownix>
in fact, i'm on one of those now
13:17
running from a 64 bit server
13:17
<mcfloppy_>
why want a 64 bit client? much money for nothing :p
13:17
<gamed|ph>
how can I set the ip of the ltsp-server for my thin-clients? My dhcpd/tftpd runs on a other maschine then my ltsp...
13:17
<lns>
mcfloppy_, not what he's talking about
13:18
<Nuba1>
frownix, we're all in that setup
13:18
<mcfloppy_>
ltsp system with local running apps?
13:18
<Nuba1>
:-)
13:18
<lns>
frownix, what i'm gathering is you saying that 32-bit chroot can be hosted on any arch server
13:18
and i agree
13:18
<frownix>
right
13:18
<lns>
but
13:19
<cliebow_>
in powerpc the initramfs doesnt seem to be d/led fully..i see no "last packet" any one want to hazard a guess?
13:19
<lns>
there is still the problem of running firefox with flash, shockwave and java plugins correctly on the clients
13:19
and with a 64-bit OS install, you have 64-bit firefox installed
13:19
<frownix>
not if you install those in the chroot
13:20
<lns>
i was told earlier by ogra that localapps aren't really even supported yet
13:20
<frownix>
linux32 chroot /my/32/bit/chroot /bin/bash
13:20
apt-get install whatever
13:20
<Nuba1>
that doesnt quite work frownix
13:20
I've tried that myself
13:21
<frownix>
ok, i'm not to familiar with ltsp these days, but that's in affect how I do it
13:21
then again, it's not ltsp, just heavily ltsp inspired;-)
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13:22
<frownix>
i can't see any reason for it NOT to work on ltsp though, if you are using a true chroot(meaing full instal of guest os)
13:22
<Nuba1>
damn... no sound with gnash, none with swfdec, non with libflashsupport
13:22
yes, then its a fat client frownix
13:22
not a thin client
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<frownix>
Nuba1, if you want to, yes. but you could still run X server from the 64bit(thin-client)
13:23
<Nuba1>
if I take out flashplugin-nonfree and install gnash, it wont work
13:24
<frownix>
and ssh start the local app, since that kernel is 32 bit
13:24
i'd call that a normal weight client;-)
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<lns>
frownix, i don't know how that would work because apt-get installing firefox would pull all sorts of things that the chroot need not pull in, like gnome, etc...
13:25
<Nuba1>
if you want a fat client its a simple as going into the chroot and doing apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
13:25
but thats not what we want
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<Nuba1>
it in effect takes away the benefits of a thin client system, the speed, minimal ram usage, etc
13:26
<frownix>
well, you could still do X -query server for the thin-client start
13:26
<Nuba1>
putting everything in the chroot increases ram requirements
13:26
and also lowers speed
13:26
<frownix>
and just run the local app with ssh
13:26
such as firefox -display whatever:0.0
13:27
<Nuba1>
well, the edubuntu devs have worked on getting certain local apps to work like that
13:27
<frownix>
the downside is of course as you mentioned that the chroot would pull gnome and what have you
13:27
<Nuba1>
but its not ready yet
13:27
<frownix>
on the other hand, diskspace on the server side is pretty cheap for that sort of thing
13:27
<Nuba1>
its not about the server
13:27
its about the clients
13:28
<frownix>
lns pointed out that it pulled gnome and so on
13:28
<Nuba1>
the point of ltsp is being able to use dirt cheap clients with no ram
13:28
<lns>
what would be nice to see is a full virtualized 32-bit environment (ala redhat or vmware) that could easily do all of this
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<lns>
frownix, just my guess that it would...firefox has many deps
13:28
<frownix>
Nuba1, of course, but if you read what i wrote in the beginning, my point was that "old" hardware today most of the times are more then capable of running firefox locally
13:29
<lns>
none of which i'd want to have in client ram all the time
13:29
<Nuba1>
being able to control the entire process from the server is incredibly useful
13:29
seeing memory usage, killing zombie processes, etc... not sure if thats possible in the scenario u mention
13:30
<frownix>
of course, but there are some seriuos tradeoffs
13:30
flash on thin-client is not that good of a thing to have
13:30
it'll kill your network(at least from my experience)
13:30
<Nuba1>
not if you've got gigabit
13:30
<frownix>
Nuba1, it could, depending on the number of clients
13:31
<Nuba1>
and they are working on localapps... that is the solution
13:31
<frownix>
not to mention video...heh
13:31
<Nuba1>
they are currently working on integating (already got it working) local video, local flash, and local firefox
13:31
<frownix>
localapps dev probably use the same theory as me, just with pulled libs or static compiles
13:32
<Nuba1>
no doubt
13:32
<frownix>
hw today is...well...overkill for everyday use.it's a shame not to use it for someting(client side)
13:33
<lns>
frownix, well in my case we have iPaq workstations, 500MHz w/256mb ram.
13:33
or 128 rather.
13:33
not too much to play with
13:33
<frownix>
the other point i was getting at was..it makes life so much easier with local apps, sound, and so on and on
13:33
<Nuba1>
I hear you, I have 21 laptops running dual core 3 gighz pentium 4s and 1 gig ram each
13:33
<lns>
Nuba1, omg...running those as thin clients?
13:34
<Nuba1>
but still, I prefer running ltsp so I can centrally manage
13:34
yes
13:34
<frownix>
lns, right, they are a tad on the slow side, so thin solution is the best for those clients
13:34
<lns>
frownix, right
13:34
<Nuba1>
i had a fat chroot before, but didnt work out
13:34
<frownix>
i don't have the problems with different hardware, a lot of different apps and so on
13:34
<Nuba1>
now they are waiting to use local aps
13:35
<frownix>
it's a very controlled setup, so I have to agree that my life is easier then yours...hehe
13:35
<Nuba1>
now... about that sound...
13:35* frownix is sorry for the drift from topic
13:35
<Nuba1>
looks like 32 bit chroot for firefox is going to be necessary after all
13:36
i really wanted a cleaner solution
13:36
the idea of going from 32 bit to 64 bit and then back to 32 bit on the client seems ludicrous
13:36
<frownix>
Nuba1, could be pretty clean with a source compiled firefox. should pull less deps then a distro install of firefox?
13:38
nubal i think there's a script on ltsp.org named runremote.sh that makes local apps pretty easy(from your remote X connection)
13:38
<lns>
Nuba1, that seems like it might be the only answer...but i'm wondering how that's going to work out with plugging into all of the sound arch on the server
13:38
<frownix>
i used it a couple of years back
13:38
<lns>
maybe i just don't have the 'whole picture' in my head (yet)
13:39
<Nuba1>
I dont either, but from what I've read and seen, its whats going to work out best
13:39
gnash should work, but for me, at least doesnt even show up
13:40
<lns>
Nuba1, what distro you using?
13:40
<Nuba1>
edubuntu gutsy
13:41
<lns>
same here (ubuntu)
13:41
<Nuba1>
I know, we met on the edubuntu channel :-)
13:41* lns considers going back to DOS
13:41
<frownix>
lol
13:42
<lns>
when the hardest thing to get going was ANSi-based term emulators. =p
13:42
and IRQs for your modem
13:44
<frownix>
lns what's the "main" app you need sound for? firefox?
13:44
<lns>
frownix, yes... firefox flash, shockwave and java are the only things in the environment that don't work
13:44
sound works perfectly otherwise
13:44
<frownix>
ok
13:44
just the "hard" ones left then..figures:-(
13:45
<lns>
disregarding my earlier issue of the headphone jack sense.
13:45
<frownix>
that still doesn't work?
13:45
<lns>
heh..yeah, unfortunately
13:45
i'm working on that seperately
13:45
i know i can fix it w/the init scripts i have to go onsite and do it though. i'm sick today :(
13:45
<frownix>
ouch...get well soon
13:47
<lns>
thanks =)
13:47
i'd probably feel better if this all worked. =p
13:48
<frownix>
hehe..been there..felt like that;-)
13:48* frownix had a hard time getting he's scratch built setup working
13:52
<Nuba1>
weird... I open firefox
13:52
it says install missing plugins, then gives me an option of flashplayer or gnash
13:52
i choose gnash, it says its already installed
13:52
need to restart browser, which I do, and then it start again with the same crap
13:54
<frownix>
temp rename libflashplayer to something else. like .backup and try again?
13:54
<lns>
Nuba1, you're installing as a user? that would put the plugin in your homedir right?
13:54
don't you want it for everyone (ala apt-get install gnash or similar?)
13:54
<Nuba1>
no, right now as admin
13:54
well, yes... but
13:55
its already been isntalled
13:55
<lns>
oh...if you're admin, it installs it globally?
13:55
<Nuba1>
maybe not... :-)
13:55
<lns>
lol
13:55
<Nuba1>
still... point is...
13:55
it says its not installed
13:55
asks to install
13:55
then says its insallted already
13:55
maybe I should try installing gnash locally
13:56
for the local user
13:56
<lns>
i wouldn't recommend installing it through the browser plugin dialogues at all if i were you
13:56
<Nuba1>
well, this is just testing
13:56
<lns>
not for ltsp
13:56
right, i understand what you mean
13:56
<Nuba1>
im trying to figure out why gnash doesnt start up globally
13:57
<lns>
try apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash as root from the server
13:57
<Nuba1>
hmmm, thats an idea, though dont see why that would make any difference
13:57
<lns>
Nuba1, makes a huge diff
13:58
it will install it in /usr/lib instead of in your user specific firefox config
13:58
<Nuba1>
im sudo installing everything anyway
13:58
<lns>
ok...just for shits and giggles i'd exit ff, apt-get (as above), rename your firefox user config dir, and try again
13:58
start a fresh ff config as that user
13:59
after gnash is installed globally in /usr/lib
13:59
<Nuba1>
well, let me try installing as root like u say
13:59
<lns>
sudo is the same thing as installing as root (i'm sure you know)
14:00
<frownix>
sudo DOES sound like an eastern way of defending your self;-)
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<Nuba1>
lns, yeah, but at least for crossover, to do it globally I had to do it as root
14:01
couldnt sudo
14:01
had sudo su
14:01
on the server
14:01
then install it
14:01
<lns>
weird
14:01
just like windows shift-rightclick "run as" hardly ever works...didn't think sudo would have similar qualities in any situation
14:02
<Nuba1>
but thats different... was a shell script
14:04
jeezus
14:04
it worked
14:04
oh my god
14:04
<lns>
?
14:04
<Nuba1>
sound working
14:04
<lns>
!!!
14:04
<ltspbot>
lns: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
14:04
<lns>
err
14:04
hehe
14:04
WOO!
14:05* lns dances like the white nerd he is
14:05
<Nuba1>
doesnt look pretty, but it works... it really works!
14:05
<lns>
what site are you testing?
14:05
<Nuba1>
youtube
14:05
<lns>
ok
14:05
so
14:06
<Nuba1>
the bottom controls look kind of funny
14:06
buttons on top of each other
14:06
<lns>
hmm
14:06
you should try a bunch of different flash sites and see what the overall outcome is, if you think it's good enough to replace all of this adobe flash plugin junk with or not
14:06
i need a guinnea pig =)
14:07
<Nuba1>
full screen dont work either
14:07
well give me a flash site to look at
14:07
<lns>
how about homestarrunner.com
14:07
that's my standard testing site =p
14:09
<Nuba1>
works ok actually
14:09
how do I get the volume up?
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<lns>
standard volume controls in gnome. ?
14:10
<Nuba1>
theres some way to get the volume up within the thin client
14:10
<lns>
alsamixer?
14:11
<Nuba1>
no somethign else
14:11
<lns>
no clue
14:13
<Nuba1>
well anyway, it works, but there is skipping sound and loud hissing every once in a while
14:13
<lns>
hmm
14:13
<Nuba1>
and some stuff doesnt get renderd properly
14:14
<lns>
Nuba1, what kind of environment is this you're using? school, etc.?
14:14
how many clients?
14:15
<Nuba1>
school, 60 clients
14:15
150 people
14:15
<lns>
cool, very close to my env
14:15
35 clients, ~200 students
14:16
<Nuba1>
yeah I'm in Southern Spain though
14:16
:-)
14:16
<lns>
ahh =) nice
14:16
<johnny>
my install is prolly one of the tinier ones.. 4 clients atm :)
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<Nuba1>
I'm trying to get a business going based on ltsp
14:16
<johnny>
hopefully to move up to 20 in another location tho
14:17
<lns>
johnny, gotta start somewhere =)
14:17
<Nuba1>
wanna spread opensource and ltsp throughout Spain :-)
14:17
<lns>
Nuba1, that's interesting. I run my own business and i'm getting into the educational sector and focusing on ltsp
14:17
<Nuba1>
well, sound seems ok actually, I've been playing it for a couple minutes on youtube and that works
14:17
yeah I used to have a webdesign/programming company
14:18
but I generally hate clients
14:18
so the fewer I deal with the better
14:18
<lns>
hehe
14:18
<Nuba1>
and schools seem to treat you different
14:18
<lns>
"This job would be great if it weren't for the *$@!ing customers" - Randall, "Clerks"
14:18
<Nuba1>
indeed
14:19
<lns>
schools are different
14:19
they're not there to make money primarily
14:19
<Nuba1>
wow, amazed that sound really works, after spending a whole day trying to get libflashsupport working
14:19
<lns>
they're 'outside' the whole grubbing culture
14:19
Nuba1, heh, just one day?
14:19
i've been trying to get it to work for 3 weeks
14:19
on and off
14:19
<Nuba1>
:-)
14:20
well, I was supposed to have finished installing the school's systems 2 months ago
14:20
but its for the best... at first I had 20 thin clients and installs of edubuntu on every other computer
14:20
<lns>
=p me too!
14:21
<Nuba1>
that was hell... updating 40 fat clients without centralised management is undoable
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<lns>
wow
14:21
yeah
14:21
<Nuba1>
so now that ltsp is running everything, its just a matter of installing on the server and knowing it works everywhere
14:21
<lns>
kidna defeats the main purpose of thin clients ;)
14:22
<Nuba1>
yeah well, wasnt sure about thin clients, and had some edubuntu installed before trying ltsp
14:22
<johnny>
hmm.. anybody tested out the local apps?
14:22
<Nuba1>
but now, I wont ever turn back
14:22
this is the holy grail
14:22
<lns>
hey Nuba1 check this yt vid out and let me know how it sounds
14:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwll9RrV28o
14:24* lns on bass =p
14:25
<Nuba1>
sounds good
14:25
shame fullscreen doesnt work
14:25
<lns>
shameless plug =p thanks
14:25
yeah
14:25
<Nuba1>
hehe
14:25
<lns>
well...we just got fullscreen in the newest RC for adobe flash, so..i'm not expecting much from gnash myself
14:25
if yo usay it works well, WITH sound,... i'm def. gonna try it out at my schools
14:25
i know if anyone can break it, the kids will. =)
14:26
<Nuba1>
till now its worked without crashing
14:26
<lns>
always a plus!! =) especially with flash!
14:27
Nuba1, are you using cxoffice for shockwave?
14:27
<Nuba1>
nope
14:27
dont use shockwave
14:27
<lns>
heh..lucky
14:28
<Nuba1>
use it for microsoft office photoshop and some special school aps
14:28
stupid computer teacher refuses to move to open office
14:28
but her days here are numbered :-)
14:29
<lns>
hahaha
14:30
hey do you guys know if i need a trailing / for RCFILE_nn in lts.conf? such as RCFILE_01 = /etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh or just RCFILE_01 = etc/ipaqsoundfix .. ?
14:30
<Nuba1>
trailing / I'd imagine
14:30
now for realplayer...
14:30
<lns>
thats what i thought, ... ugh..but still not running
14:32
<Nuba1>
is there a realplayer for 64 bit?
14:32
<johnny>
people still use realplayer? lol
14:32
i haven't ran into one of those in ages
14:33
<Nuba1>
have to sometimes
14:33
radio streaming
14:33
<lns>
Nuba1, that's another beast... heh
14:33
no 64-bit plugin afaik
14:33
<Nuba1>
the ff dialogue asks to install xine or mediaplayer
14:34
mplayer even
14:34
<lns>
right..totem has plugins actually
14:34
i think
14:35
but ... i really have no clue =p
14:35
<Nuba1>
well going to try with mplayer, but dont think it solves the problem of pages asking to open with realplayer
14:38
<gamed|ph>
how I can change the ip of the ltsp-server my thinclient will connect to? My ltsp runs on a other maschine then dhcp and tftp...
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<lns>
gamed|ph, what you might mean is "what X client" instead of "ltsp-server"...
14:42
since ltsp is essentially the setup of the client chroot and passing it on via tftp/dhcp
14:42
<gamed|ph>
the client chroot don't know the ip of the ltsp-server
14:43
but i don't know how to change this address
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<lns>
unfortunately i don't know how to specify a different server after the kernel itself is passed on, for nfs/nbd client chroot setup
14:46
then again, i'm no ltsp expert
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<Nubae>
wow... it works!!!
14:47
realplayer under mplayer
14:47
streaming radio going wonderfully
14:47
<Q-FUNK>
:)
14:48
<lns>
nice Nubae
14:48
<Nubae>
yeah surprising really...
14:49
after all the trouble with flash, was expecting the same thing
14:51
<lns>
hehe
14:51
nice to know it's not all uphill battles, huh?
14:52
<Nubae>
yeah things always happen in 3s
14:52
<lns>
haha
14:52
if you believe they do, then...yes. =p
14:57
Nubae, just to re-iterate, you're using firefox 64-bit, correct?
14:58
<Nubae>
yes
14:59
<lns>
Nubae, any chance you'll need java working too?
15:00
<Nubae>
I'd imagine so yeah
15:00
<lns>
i'd definitely look at Redhat's new "Iced Tea" java for 64-bit..found out about that last night
15:00
<Nubae>
so normal java wont work?
15:01
<lns>
i've heard java is a real PITA to get going in 64-bit browsers
15:01
<Nubae>
or whats the deal exactly
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<lns>
i always used firefox32, but now with gnash working in 64-bit (and cxoffice for shockwave), we might as well stick with 64-bit browsing and use iced tea, which afaik anyway, is the only good way to get java going
15:02
afaik it's very new, but should work best...but ymmv
15:05
icedtea-java7-bin
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icedtea-java7-jre
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icedtea-java7-plugin
15:05
(from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=580792 )
15:06
<sgonzalez>
Can you get shockwave working on ubuntu? I'm just lurking and saw the cxoffice for shockwave and I'm not sure what you're talking about, but would love to know if I can get shockwave sites working on edubuntu!
15:07
<johnny>
you have to use cxoffice
15:07
unless wine can do it now..
15:07
<lns>
sgonzalez, yes...cxoffice is the easiest way for that
15:07
<Nubae>
wine is cxoffice
15:08
<johnny>
i haven't seen how quickly they are synced
15:08
<lns>
johnny, i have scoured the interet for DAYS looking for info on getting shockwave working under wine alone
15:08
<Nubae>
in fact wine is usually newer... cxoffice is just a wrapper for a gui
15:08
<lns>
couldn't find a think
15:08
<Nubae>
but its the important part for ltsp
15:08
<lns>
thing* and Nubae true it's a wrapper, but they do many custom things to get many programs to work correctly out of the box
15:08
<Nubae>
thats why crossover is almost a requirement
15:09
<johnny>
maybe that wine-doors project will help that
15:09
<Nubae>
not true... it uses exactly the same wine
15:09
<lns>
especially when you're talking about running 32-bit shockwave plugin under wine, on a AMD64 ltsp server, to 32-bit clients ;)
15:10
Nubae, well then make that your next project - please let me know when you find out how to work it w/o crossover, because for the life of me i couldn't find a single way to do it
15:10
=) i'm sure it can be done, but not by me (IANAP)
15:12
<Nubae>
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/differences/
15:12
the only difference is they pick the releases that go with which program
15:13
ie... release such and such works better with office, such and such a release with skype
15:13
etc...
15:13
but otherwise its the same
15:14
<lns>
ok, make it work then. :) hope i don't sound cocky but i'd love to see someone prove me wrong so we don't have to pay license fees for cxoffice
15:14
that would really make my day actually =p
15:15
<Nubae>
well, my school doesnt pay licenses for it :-/
15:15
they should... but this is Spain
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<johnny>
once you install with cxoffice, you could just reuse that config
15:15
with a regular wine to prove it
15:16
<sgonzalez>
Ouch on the codeweaver pricing. I'm sure it's a great product, but my school can't afford that. I found this site that describes installing with wine
15:16
http://www.ubuntux.org/shockwave-player-ubuntu-linux
15:16
<Nubae>
there u go
15:16
<sgonzalez>
but I don't have time right now to try. Looks like it's a stand alone system, may not port to LTSP well. I'll see if I can get to it over Thanksgiving.
15:17
<Nubae>
java seems to work
15:17
but not sure about sound yet
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<Nubae>
actually spoke to soon, java not showing up
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<lns>
sgonzalez, shame on you for posting that link
15:24
it's horrible practice to give a solution of "just install the windows version" when there's a completely capable linux native version out there (minus the plugins of course)
15:25
i hate that link, and that guy for posting it
15:25
lol
15:25
<Q-FUNK>
gnash?
15:25
<lns>
the ubuntux guy anyway
15:25
Nubae, i'm installing iced tea right now i'll let you know
15:28
<sgonzalez>
lns, humble apologies ;)
15:28
<Nubae>
there is 64 bit version of java
15:28
https://sdlc6c.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/DownloadPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.DownloadPageInfo;jsessionid=AA23DBF56AEE2A70988349F57271D285;jsessionid=AA23DBF56AEE2A70988349F57271D285
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<lns>
Nubae, no browser plugin with that.
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<Nubae>
but cant u just link to that from the browser?
15:30
<lns>
highly doubt it
15:30
i don't know much about java besides its complex =)
15:30
and that people complain when they can't use it in their web browser
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<lns>
ok, i'm taking a little break now...this has proved to be very productive, thanks a bunch everyone on the collaboration
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<Nubae>
by lns...
15:39
I'm off too...
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<scrapbunny>
i am running edubuntu 7.10 on dell gx 110 thin clients and need help getting the sound on sites running flash
15:48
<sbalneav>
Does the sound work otherwise?
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<scrapbunny>
yes sbalneav
16:05
<sbalneav>
64 bit server?
16:05
<scrapbunny>
no 32
16:05
<sbalneav>
have you installed libflashsupport?
16:10
Heading home for the day
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<lns>
bye sbalneav
16:12
scrapbunny, install libflashsupport and sound should work..you're lucky you have a 32-bit server =)
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<scrapbunny>
thanks
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<sutula>
ogra: That libflashsupport (the .so file) you pointed to earlier...do you understand when that's used? It's presence keeps one of my clients from booting (a Dell desktop) but it enables sound on all the other clients.
16:52
Why would that file even be used during X startup? It crashes the client during X startup.
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<sutula>
Strange...I'd moved that file out of the way and it booted...put the file back and it still boots...never mind (until the problem comes back, anyawy).
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<lns>
I wonder how the corporate powers got such a hold over how people use the net... (speaking of adobe mainly)
17:39
We need the next revolution to be purely open source
17:40
a new 'killer app' plugin (or a completely new protocol even) that does something none of the others can
17:41
<johnny_>
lots of options there, between xul,svg, etc
17:41
<lns>
right
17:43
i don't know much about xul/svg myself
17:43
but i would imagine that the next "big" thing is going to be to meld, even more, the way people interact with technology and the way people interact naturally
17:44
i.e. speech/sight/touch
17:44
<johnny_>
sounds like a mobile device to me..
17:44
ie: iphone
17:44
<lns>
well kinda
17:44
but the iphone still just mimicks existing standards
17:45
a 'better' phone browser, a 'better' e-mail/contact list
17:45
they're still just browsers and contact lists
17:45
<johnny_>
well i meant the hardware
17:45
the software stil needs more work obviously
17:45
<lns>
oh207, the portability aspect?
17:45
<johnny_>
but who's gonna do it ..
17:45
i'd love to work in it.. but who's gonna pay :)
17:46
<lns>
nobody has to *pay* .. =)
17:46
as long as there is motivation and collaboration, it can happen
17:46
obviously actions speak louder than words, but it's still the truth
17:47
i see huge potential with ltsp
17:47
and i know we could think of something to harness the concept and the obvious benefits of using thin-clients and make it into something way more
17:47
<johnny_>
i mean pay the developers to work on it
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<lns>
and make it universal between hardware and software, obviously
17:47
vagrantc, nice to see you
17:48
johnny, again - look at all the work that open source has done. not a whole lot has been paying programmers to create it
17:48
it's pure motivation and the love of coding something better and new
17:48
vagrantc, i have a question about your work on the RCFILE_nn parm in lts.conf/ltsp-client-setup
17:48
for gutsy
17:49
<johnny_>
the problme is that i cannot afford to work on it
17:49
i have enough projects i do free work for
17:49
<lns>
I have pinpointed my issue from before about sound chip configuration and using RCFILE_nn in lts.conf to do it - it seems as though it runs before the sound hardware is completely initialized
17:49* vagrantc only knows if vagrantc has an answer if vagrantc is asked a question
17:50
<lns>
as in /chroot/etc/rcS.d/S23ltsp-client-setup
17:50
johnny, i do understand - never asked you to work free on someone else's project =)
17:50
obviously since there's no framework to go from anyway (yet)
17:51
<johnny_>
it'd be nice to be funded to work on such things
17:51
<lns>
johnny, i know...and the big companies can do that sort of thing...maybe proposals to intel, ibm, sun, etc... could push an idea forward
17:51
<johnny_>
no. if they own it.. it's pointless
17:51
or have any control over the evolution
17:51
<lns>
they wouldn't though
17:52
look at all the money that's been poured into the linux kernel from IBM
17:52
that's all 100% OSS
17:52
<johnny_>
sure.. but only cuz they have a definitive money making stream
17:52
they aren't being altruistic
17:53
sure we will take advantage of all that work tho
17:54
<lns>
vagrantc, i guess my question (if you didn't gather yet) is... can we push the RCFILE_nn calls forward until after all hardware is initialized? or am i missing something? because if i run my script manually after the client is booted up, it works fine - but the second i use RCFILE_01 to call the script, it never works (but does actually get run, via a verification echo to a text file in the chroot)
17:54
I created my own script and update-rc.d S98 (default runlevels) in the chroot and it works great, so i know it has to be the placement/execution order of RCFILE_nn in relation to the hardware init of the client
17:55
<vagrantc>
lns: we could move it later, but then it might not work for some things that need it right where it is now ...
17:55
<lns>
vagrantc, i was curious about that - what are those things that need it where it is?
17:55
<vagrantc>
lns: it is a generic hook, so i don't know all the possible uses for it
17:56
<lns>
oh ok.. well, in feisty it worked great, but as soon as i upgraded to gutsy it broke, so i know wherever it was in feisty..was better for me.. =)
17:56
<vagrantc>
lns: ah, that's more meaningful
17:57
ogra moved a lot of code from ltsp-client to ltsp-client-setup
17:57
<lns>
to give you a better explanation - it's a script to turn on the headphone-jack-sense on my audio chipsets that don't do so by default
17:57
<vagrantc>
or vice-versa ... i don't remember what code was moved where ...
17:57
<lns>
right, he told me that
17:57
i know that the RCFILE_nn was moved to ltsp-client-setup
17:57
which is run in rcS.d
17:57
and not the other runlevel dirs
17:58
<vagrantc>
and ltsp-client(-core) runs in rc2.d
17:58
i think
17:58
<lns>
right - and that does the hardware init right?
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<vagrantc>
depends on what you mean by hardware init
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<lns>
OH WAIT
18:00
ok...maybe it's before alsa is initialized
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<vagrantc>
i think both scripts do various degrees of hardware configuration
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<lns>
i'm using 'amixer' to do the fix
18:00
so if rcfile_nn is run before alsa is set up on the client, than that would be doing it too
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<vagrantc>
maybe...
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<lns>
in any case, i would think that having generic sysadmin style RCFILE parms in lts.conf should assume all hardware is setup and functional, so it can be manipulated by whatever script people want to create
18:03
<vagrantc>
lns: although ... i don't think any alsa related scripts are run at all
18:03
<lns>
JMHO, but it would have saved me 2-3 days of research =)
18:03
hmm
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<vagrantc>
lns: ogra moved a lot of stuff and i haven't really evaluated all those changes...
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<lns>
ok.. well i mean, i know what's going on now so it's not so crucial for me - but just to let you know that rcfile DID change execution order *somehow* between feisty and gutsy broke the script i had going before...i would just hate to see other people with the same types of things have it break like it did for me
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<vagrantc>
lns: yes, that's why i'd be cautious not to move stuff around like that
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lns: my primary work is on debian rather than ubuntu...
18:11
<lns>
exactly.. oh well, at least i fixed it for now, so i don't have 35 speakers blaring in a computer lab ;)
18:11
<vagrantc>
lns: certainly worth reporting a bug about that
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<lns>
vagrantc, oh ok - well i know you guys sync up so just thought i'd put you in the loop for my little problem
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<vagrantc>
lns: yeah, thanks :)
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lns: because i actually did probably merge those changes
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<lns>
not that you don't have enough to do already ;)
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<lns>
vagrantc, ok i filed the bug just fyi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/163000
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i'm outty, take it easy all
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<johnny_>
hi, has anyboyd in here had a problem with firefox not completely closing when exiting from a terminal session?
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<daya>
vagrantc, Hi, I have done as in the configuration file, /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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22:09
but sound is still not working,
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<vagrantc>
"works for me"
22:10
don't know what to tell you
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<daya>
I have installed xmms-plugin also from pulseaudio.org
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<johnny_>
xmms is still in debian
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<vagrantc>
all i did was configure everything to use alsa, and configure /etc/asound.conf to use pulseauido, as described in README.Debian.sound
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<johnny_>
hmm
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<daya>
vagrantc, do I need to change some setting from gstreamer-properties ,
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<vagrantc>
daya: maybe
22:11
daya: i didn't have to
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<johnny_>
xmms doesn't use gstreamer
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<vagrantc>
i tried with xmms (use alsa output), rhythymbox (use default output), and xine (used alsa output) and some KDE player that i can't remember (used the default output)
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i think all but xmms worked without configuration, and all i had to change with xmms was to use alsa instead of oss.
22:13
i wrote that document using a plain etch system
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and then i verified that the same instructions worked for lenny and sid as well
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so i really don't know what to say.
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daya: it does sound like you're trying all sorts of things, when really you probably have some simple thing missing.
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daya: you have all of gnome installed ?
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<daya>
vagrantc, sorry I didn't get how to configure everything to use alsa, is it from the preferences of the xmms
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<vagrantc>
daya: yes, look in the xmms preferences to use alsa
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i think xmms uses oss by default
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daya: you might have luck leaving xmms to use the default output plugin, and using: padsp xmms
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padsp is a wrapper to trick oss into using pulseaudio
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but it's better just to configure it to use alsa
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daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l pulseaudio-esound-compat alsa-utils libasound2-plugins | egrep ^ii
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and
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daya: dpkg -l libasound2-plugins | egrep ^ii
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<warren>
wow
22:24
hmm
22:24
LTSP Term 1000 PXE can't boot Fedora's i586 kernel
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<daya>
vagrantc, http://ltspbot.pastebin.org/8323,
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<vagrantc>
warren: there's a few chips out there that are kind of like hyped-up 486s
22:24
<warren>
vagrantc, so this is one of them?
22:24
vagrantc, doesn't even have 586 instructions?
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<vagrantc>
warren: i've seen the occasional one
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warren: i can't confirm that that is one for sure...
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<daya>
vagrantc, is sth is missing from my configuraiton
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<vagrantc>
i mean, i'm speaking in terms of knowing such chips exist ... i don't really know about the particular model you're using.
22:26
daya: ??
22:27
<daya>
vagrantc, I mean the pkg I need to install,
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<vagrantc>
daya: looks like you've got all the ones i've documented
22:27
<daya>
vagrantc, I didn't find asound.conf in ubuntu, but sound works well
22:27
<vagrantc>
daya: ubuntu does it differently
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<daya>
vagrantc, can't we do as it in case of debian,
22:28
vagrantc, what make it debian a different that of ununtu in the implementation,
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<vagrantc>
daya: ubuntu has patched many packages to have special hooks
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<warren>
vagrantc, actually, there is no illegal instruction error... it just gets stuck during booting
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vagrantc, which indicates that this chip does actually do i586 instructions
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<vagrantc>
warren: sure.
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warren: might have been giving you a red herring...
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daya: maybe someday debian will include those patches
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<daya>
vagrantc, :), great wating for that day,
22:31
vagrantc, configure sound applications to talk to alsa means from gstreamer-properties for totem, and xmms preferences for xmms am i right,
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<vagrantc>
daya: in my experience, setting /etc/asound.conf as described in README.Debian.sound should make it very similar to what ubuntu has done.
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daya: i don't know totem, but if totem uses gstreamer, probably, yes.
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<daya>
and Do i need to set both input and output to use alsa,
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<vagrantc>
ubuntu has probably patched everything to use alsa by default...
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daya: input is for microphones ...
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<daya>
vagrantc, oh,
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<vagrantc>
to hear sounds with speakers or headphones, you just need to worry about output, i think
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<daya>
vagrantc, have u tested sound only in gxine, do u have tested in case of xmms, and totem
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<warren>
ah
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<daya>
vagrantc, I don't need to install pulseaudio separately isn't it ?
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<vagrantc>
daya: as i have told you several times now, i tested my instructions with xmms, xine rhythmbox and some kde application
22:35
<warren>
It gets stuck at "Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 844k"
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<daya>
vagrantc, I am totally confused , Do we only have done with pulseaudio plugin,
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vagrantc, sorry for revision,
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<vagrantc>
daya: the idea is... use alsa for everything, and tell alsa to use pulseaudio
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since almost everything supports alsa, then every application doesn't need to support pulseauido
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pulseaudio
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<daya>
vagrantc, but we haven't instlled pulseaudio pkg isn't it?,
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<vagrantc>
daya: i'm sorry, i don't understand your question
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<daya>
vagrantc, Do I need to install pulseaudio pkg
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<vagrantc>
daya: not on the server
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daya: all you should need is libasound2-plugins
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<daya>
vagrantc, ok , I will again do it in a fresh system,
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<vagrantc>
daya: libasound2-plugins pulls in libpulse0, which has the pulseaudio support
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daya: when i wrote those instructions, i made sure the dependencies were set ... so ltsp-server-standalone installs all the stuff for sound on the server, and ltsp-client installs all the appropriate stuff in the ltsp chroot
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<daya>
But, It never works in me ,I don't know what I make a silly mistake
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<vagrantc>
i don't know either
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daya: you're using the backported packages ?
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes, from the lower portion of the wiki,
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<vagrantc>
ltsp 5.0.31debian* or newer?
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i should work on a 5.0.39debian* backport
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<daya>
vagrantc, isn't it from the lower poriton of the wiki.debian.org/ltsp how to,
22:44
<vagrantc>
warren: do you remember who's idea it was to use the "dist" directory in all the bzr sources?
22:45
<warren>
vagrantc, it was me
22:45
vagrantc, did you see the next revision of the structure agreed upon by ogra, me and sbalneav?
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<vagrantc>
warren: where was it discussed?
22:45
<warren>
vagrantc, similar, except without the dist directory, and a mkdist shell script that handles what the dist level Makefile used to.
22:45
vagrantc, in this channel, yesterday or 2 days ago, can't remember.
22:46
<vagrantc>
warren: oh. so you've fallen to our evil habit of only discussing things on irc? :P
22:46
<warren>
vagrantc, it is difficult not to, when ogra was so unhappy with the dist dir
22:46* vagrantc wonders why it wasn't discuessed on the recent ltsp-developer thread
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<vagrantc>
yes, ogra was quite unhappy with the dist dir stuff
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i didn't like it much ... but whatever :)
22:48
i think summaries of important irc discussions should probably get posted to the list, at least ...
22:48
warren: are there any URLs of the new structure idea anywhere ?
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<warren>
vagrantc, I don't know =(
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<vagrantc>
oh well ...
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as long as it's not forgotten
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22:51* vagrantc is eagre to see a release
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<vagrantc>
warren: how's the progress with fedora going?
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<warren>
vagrantc, I've been fixing bugs outside of the LTSP upstream scripts (tons of them...) waiting for the structure to stabilize.
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vagrantc, also writing up justifications for me to spend so much time on this.
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<vagrantc>
warren: did you ever see my quick and dirty attempt to get LTSP5 rolling on fedora? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20070831170400.GP10279%40ryukin.fglan
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<warren>
"it generates a chroot environment and configures the initramfs for
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network booting. i have no idea if it works. still needs init scripts
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and such."
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<vagrantc>
yup
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<warren>
vagrantc, this part I got working in an entirely fedora way without using any upstream code
22:58
<vagrantc>
well, sure.
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<warren>
I'll integrate this when the upstream structure stabilizes
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vagrantc, a few people in my office are interested in helping with LTSP dev, and I have a pile of thin clients from vendors, so spreading them around as soon as I get packages.
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<vagrantc>
good
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<warren>
vagrantc, other than generating chroot environment and initramfs did you do anything else fedora specific in there?
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<vagrantc>
daya: i'm away from my development environment... otherwise i'd go through and install etch and try out the new backports myself
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warren: i had to work around missing features in fedora's run-parts script
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it's just basically a plugin that calls yum a couple times and creates an mkinitrd configuration file to use nfs
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<warren>
vagrantc, run-parts is used in fedora mainly for cron, is run-parts used for anything else frequently?
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<vagrantc>
warren: there's a "--list" option in the debian run-parts ... used extensively for the ltsp-build-client plugins
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<warren>
vagrantc, could you upload debian's run-parts at a URL I can grab?
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<vagrantc>
warren: it's a c program ...
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<warren>
oh
23:09
our run-parts is bash...
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<vagrantc>
yes, i noticed
23:09
<warren>
heh
23:09
#!/bin/bash
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# run-parts - concept taken from Debian
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<vagrantc>
yes, i noticed that too :)
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warren: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debianutils.html
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<warren>
vagrantc, I have lots of disk space now, what ISO should I grab to install Debian?
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<vagrantc>
warren: should be a source tarball there
23:11
<warren>
ah, Ubuntu's run-parts would be the same thing?
23:11
<vagrantc>
warren: you just want a basic system or a full install?
23:11
warren: http://www.debian.org/CD/
23:11
warren: i'd go with one of the minimal bootable CD images
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<warren>
hmm
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<vagrantc>
warren: i was trying to get the qemu hooks you had set up ... but i was missing something crucial
23:12
<warren>
vagrantc, qemu couldn't PXE?
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vagrantc, many versions of qemu are broken
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vagrantc, I personally had to figure out why F8's qemu was broken
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<vagrantc>
warren: yes, the version i had didn't have PXE, but i used an etherboot .iso instead ... but i didn't even get as far as the bootloader
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<warren>
vagrantc, could always try F8 =)
23:14
<vagrantc>
warren: something about setting up the tap interface
23:14* vagrantc tries to get the exact error
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<warren>
vagrantc, qemu is really difficult to deal with
23:15
vagrantc, can you unpack and build F8's qemu? I know that works.
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<vagrantc>
F8 ?
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<warren>
vagrantc, Fedora 8
23:16
finding it for you
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<vagrantc>
i think it would probably fail with something more low-level
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<warren>
why?
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<vagrantc>
not having the right kernel module loaded
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warning: could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation
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the number of times i tried to search that error message without internet access the last two days
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<warren>
vagrantc, do you have the tun module loaded?
23:18* vagrantc was on a train for 2 days
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<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, i get a different error when the module isn't loaded
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<warren>
mmm
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vagrantc, how much RAM you have, btw?
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<vagrantc>
512M
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sounds like i need tunctl
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<cyberorg>
moin guys
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<warren>
*cool*
23:29
Edubuntu running in qemu-kvm, on the same virbr0 as my qemu-kvm guest.
23:29
interchangable LTSP distro... testing and development all within my laptop
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<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "Installed following the lower" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/353
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<daya>
vagrantc, could you please go thru http://pastebot.ltsp.org/353,
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<vagrantc>
daya: ok ...
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daya: echo $PULSE_SERVER $ESPEAKER
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<daya>
vagrantc, I have follwoed everything but couldn't sort out the error,
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<vagrantc>
daya: echo pulse $PULSE_SERVER ; echo esound $ESPEAKER
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<daya>
vagrantc, ltsp@debian:~$ echo $ESPEAKER
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192.168.2.250:16001
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ltsp@debian:~$ echo $PULSE_SERVER
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tcp:192.168.2.250:4713
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<vagrantc>
ok, looks good.
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<daya>
vagrantc, but the sound in client still don't work
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vagrantc, do i need to configure /etc/pulse/client.conf as that of ubuntu,
23:50
vagrantc, I have tried as of ubuntu replacing each file, but not succeed.
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<vagrantc>
daya: for me, i needed to do nothing more.
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<daya>
vagrantc, =p
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<vagrantc>
daya: it is the truth
23:55
<daya>
vagrantc, Yes, I accept it , But what happen to me remain a mystery
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<vagrantc>
daya: might be something to do with the default volume settings on your thin client ?
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daya: try alsamixer
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<daya>
vagrantc, in client
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<vagrantc>
daya: logged in to the server from the client, run alsamixer
23:56
daya: you'll need alsa-utils installed on the server
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes alsa-utils is installed,
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vagrantc, yes I ran it and set the vol to max,