IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 November 2013   (all times are UTC)

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06:51
<rakesh>
hi everybody
06:51rakesh is now known as Guest89508
06:51
<Guest89508>
i have an urgent problem regarding LTSP
06:52
i have setup an LTSP server with proxy DHCP with dnsmasq
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06:53
<Guest89508>
but when i boot my fat-client, i get an error "error: failed to connect to NBD server"
06:53
actually we want to use our L3 switch DHCP(Existing DHCP)
06:54
if anybody is there,,plz. help me
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07:08
<vagrantc>
so urgent couldn't wait for a response...
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07:26
<adminek>
Hello Everyone
07:27
I have a problem with conectiong to client - "couldn't find suitable pixmap format"
07:28
I set in lts.conf depth=16 and it doesn't work
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09:17
<roces4>
hej everybody
09:19
how all client shudown in ltsp serwer
09:19
automatic shutdown example 23:00
09:19
hour
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10:19
<lifeboy>
Hi everyone!
10:20
I'm having a strange resurrection of an error as described in this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505916
10:22
<work_alkisg>
distro/version?
10:23
<lifeboy>
the solution to that was to upgrade udhcpc (which is v 0.9.9 in Ubuntu Lucid 10.04) to 1.15, but when I try to install that, I get a message saying busybox is not installed, yet it is.
10:23
Ubuntu 10.04 i386 client on 12.04 server
10:24
<work_alkisg>
OK so it's not a resurrection, the bug was never resolved in 10.04
10:24
<lifeboy>
It was working fine for a long time now, and suddenly it occurs. Actually I have one server where it's still working fine, but the other not.
10:25
I've been comparing versions to see what is different and all seems to be the same, but it clearly isn't
10:25
But there was a workaround offered by yourself which I can't get implemented.
10:27
Both are using dnsmasq as dhcp server, same version with identical 10.04 i386 chroots. (I copied the working one the other server where it doesn't work).
10:28
The thin client hardware is also identical
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<lifeboy>
I have made the changes to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udhcp by removing the -c "$clientid" part and updated initramfs, etc. I still get this response "udhcpc (v0.9.9-pre) started", then "Sending discover..." 3 times and then "No lease, failing" when I boot the client
10:50
btw, Alkisg, the option to use the a Debian chroot was proving too difficult for me. I just couldn't get it working properly, which is why I opted for a 10.04 client with the modifications to nbd-server and using -o "quiet splash nbdport=2002" with ltps-update-image.
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12:25
<markit>
hi, ltsp on kubuntu 12.04, greek repos, and latest LibreOffice, FAT clients. Has happend to the teacher (but not to me when I did a test with test accounts) that pupil fire up calc and start entering numbers, and calc "freezes" for about 1 minute and is very slow
12:26
I've seen it but thought was due to some weird problems I had in the lan that day (one link of the bond disconnected)
12:26
any idea?
12:27
fat clients are i3, 4GB ram, diskless (of course)
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12:57
<gbit>
Hello, how much MB a station needs to load when booting?
12:57
<alkisg>
About 50
12:57
<gbit>
alkisg: thank you
12:57
<alkisg>
np
12:59
<markit>
hi alkisg, just in case it happend to you I ask
12:59
"ltsp on kubuntu 12.04, greek repos, and latest LibreOffice, FAT clients. Has happend to the teacher (but not to me when I did a test with test accounts) that pupil fire up calc and start entering numbers, and calc "freezes" for about 1 minute and is very slow"
12:59
I've seen it but thought was due to some weird problems I had in the lan that day (one link of the bond disconnected)
13:00
this morning the teacher has re-tried to use the lab told me he had this problem again
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<markit>
btw, yesterday when I updated the system and fixed the bond issue (was unable to find eth1, probably after an update), epoptes seemd really slow to start (running from the server)
13:01
in fact I clicked twice and 2 instances started
13:01
in the server I'm using not stock kernel but the most recent (raring? whatever ) to make the video adapter work (and it works)
13:02
fat clients have "normal" 12.04 kerbekl
13:02
(server has linux-image-generic-lts-raring -> 3.8)
13:04
<alkisg>
markit: no, I haven't heard any teacher here experiencing this
13:04
KDE?
13:07
<markit>
ok, I've asked teh teacher
13:07
is a known bug of kde integration, sigh
13:07
is when you select and drag cells
13:07
alkisg: sorry for the noise, I was desperate :)
13:07
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67011
13:08
alkisg: btw, just for curiosity, are you going to deploy 14.04 or wait until 12.04 EOL?
13:08
and if you will go for 14.04, what DE?
13:08
(if you are busy tell me, is just smalltalk)
13:09
<alkisg>
markit: we prepare LTS releases for schools here the summer after they're out, and we advice schools to use it from september, but only the ones that want to upgrade every 2 years.
13:09
Those that upgrade every 4 years stay in the previous one
13:10
<markit>
alkisg: ok, but new installation will be in 14.04?
13:10
I ask to know if I go that road, will have that road opened by you in advance :)
13:12
<alkisg>
Yes, unless if we find out that it's too unusable with gnome-flashback being out of development
13:12
I installed it as my main system at work for testing today, and will probably keep working on it
13:13
It does have many bugs, and unfortunately ones that we reported many times in the past
13:15
(and mostly they're ubuntu-specific bugs, not upstream ones...)
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<markit>
sigh
13:16
isn't gnome-fallback been removed in 14.04? and what about lxde?
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<markit>
btw, SquashFS planned improvements, don't understand if will affect ltsp too: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUyMDQ
13:35
ok, back to work now, bye see you all later :)
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13:41
<Hyperbyt1>
Hrm, LTSP thin clients aren't reacting to .xinitrc and .xsession on my Ubuntu 12.04 server
13:41
Anyone got any tips how to have one user account that just executes an xterm and then nothing?
13:55
Whoa
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<lifeboy>
I have meticulously compared the config of dnsmasq, nbd-server, running services and chroots on the the two servers, one works, the other doesn't. Here are my results http://pastebin.com/1AThMgPt
14:38
Anyone have a moment to spare and maybe check if there is something that can be noticed from it?
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<lifeboy>
I would like to try to upgrade Busybox to 1.15 instead of 0.9.9, but in the chroot I get: dpkg -l busybox -> No packages found matching busybox. Although busybox is there! Can I just overwrite the current busybox files or what should I do?
14:46* lifeboy is hoping that the newer release of busybox and udhcpc may solve the problem
14:50
<lifeboy>
alkisg, in the discussion about bug #505916, you explained how to install the later release of udhcpc by using a .deb from busybox, but it can't be done that way. How does one do it? Manually replace the files?
14:52
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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15:17
<bennabiy>
morning sbalneav
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15:26
<sbalneav>
hey vagrantc, bennabiy
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<Simon__>
Hi All, I;m using CRONTAB_xx entries in lts.conf (primarily for thin clients reboots). It works fine in 99% cases. But when LTSP server gets restarted in the meantime after thin terminals started and before I want to reboot them by schedule, they (terminals) cannot locate "/sbin/reboot" so they fail to restart
15:36
In this case I need to restart them manually as they totally unresponsive after LTSP server reboot
15:38* vagrantc wonders if reboots can be initiated by echoing to some file in /proc or /sys
15:39
<vagrantc>
Simon__: i presume you're using NBD?
15:39
it's not very resilient in the case of a missing server
15:39
<Simon__>
yes
15:39
<vagrantc>
perhaps that's an understatement
15:40
<Simon__>
The server is down only for the time of reboot and by the time I want to restart thin terminal it is already up... but terminal cannot communicate with it
15:42
<alkisg>
echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
15:42
<vagrantc>
can you adjust the reboot times at all?
15:42
alkisg: that might be a good failsafe if we can detect a yanked rootfs
15:43
<alkisg>
There's also a panic=30 kernel parameter, to automatically reboot 30 secs after a kernel panic
15:43
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
15:44
<vagrantc>
sure
15:45
<Simon__>
I never dealt with kernel... do I need to use this parameter in pxelinux.cfg/default
15:45
?
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<simon__>
I added panic=30 to "append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.5.0-39-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet panic=30 plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 root=/dev/nbd0" line in pxelinux.cfg/default but it didn't help... Am I doing something wrong? When LTSP server gets reboot I receive (as before) bunch of SQUASHFS errors
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<||cw>
panic=30 is only going to apply is it panics. squashfs tossing errors but not crashing won't count as a panic
16:25
<simon__>
is there any way I can reboot the terminal or run some other script in case of squashfs errors?
16:26
<||cw>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/683103
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I think you can force a reboot by echoing a 0 to /proc/ ... cannot remember
17:13
<slackish>
echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger
17:14
^dont run that unless if you intend to reboot unsafely
17:14
oh no, o is off.. still early in the morning
17:15
you want to do b
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<bennabiy>
slackish, that is right
17:28
it is something along the line of a last resort
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<vagrantc>
for thin clients, it's generally mostly safe
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<bennabiy>
true
18:58
Just have to make sure you send it to the right /proc
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19:07
<alkisg>
https://github.com/yoe/nbd/commit/6abdd46853f475aa917551d43197410a99fd09ce => nbd-client: try harder to reconnect in persist mode
19:07
That should help a lot with server restarts ;)
19:08
...and with client stability on problematic networks too
19:10* alkisg wonders if he can just install nbd-client and nbd-server from 14.04 to 12.04... :)
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19:12
<bennabiy>
alkisg: just check the package deps
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19:12
<bennabiy>
you might be able to
19:12
<alkisg>
It might needs something newer from the nbd kernel module, too... I'll probably have to just install it and see if it works
19:12
<gbit>
Hello, how can I change ldm "Username" and Preferences Menu to another language?
19:13
<alkisg>
distro/version?
19:17
<gbit>
debian/wheezy
19:17
<alkisg>
which language, e.g. el_GR.UTF-8 ?
19:17
<gbit>
pt_BR
19:18
here is my lts.conf http://pastebin.com/e6dWnkXU
19:18
but still in english
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19:19
<gbit>
I looked at /opt/ltsp/i386/ldm/themes/ too but with no success
19:19
<alkisg>
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo
19:19
I don't see pt_BR there, let me look in launchpad translations...
19:20
Ah sorry it's in pt
19:21
<gbit>
Should I copy it to pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES?
19:22
<alkisg>
No, it's empty
19:22
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+lang/pt_BR
19:22
Start there, translate ldm to your language :)
19:23
I don't know if plain "pt" may help you or not: https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+lang/pt
19:23
<gbit>
thank you alkisg
19:23
<alkisg>
np
19:24
You might also want to translate ltsp: https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+lang/pt_BR
19:24
<vagrantc>
the pt_BR translations were lagging, last i recall
19:25
<alkisg>
gbit: when you're done, tell me to enable translations commits, so that vagrantc includes them in his next debian upload...
19:25
<vagrantc>
yeah, that'd be good
19:26
<gbit>
OK
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23:34
<gbit>
vagrantc: I have done translating
23:38
<vagrantc>
ah, great.
23:38
alkisg: you hear that?
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23:39
<vagrantc>
i should probably learn how to pull the translations someday.
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23:44
<gbit>
Than I downloaded the file, copy to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo but still in english, do you have any ideas why?
23:47
<vagrantc>
did you rebuild your imagee?
23:47
and you downloaded an .mo file?
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