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Channel log from 7 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
OK, FIF's in less than 6 hours. I need sleep.
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Off to bed.
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Night vagrantc_! See you tomorrow.
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<SvenDowideit>
hello - I'm having some trouble with ltsp5 on debian.
06:13
I installed as per the howto, and have my client pxe booting to gdm
06:14
but when i log in, it flickers (like its restarting X) and then goes back to gdm
06:14
<sbalneav>
Monring all!
06:14
<ogra>
gdm not ldm ? are you sure ?
06:14
<SvenDowideit>
tbh, i'm not sure that its actually logging in - as i get the same result when i use a non-user
06:14
<sbalneav>
It's FIF!!!!
06:14
<SvenDowideit>
one mo :)
06:14
<ogra>
!s
06:14
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:15
<SvenDowideit>
yes,
06:15
there are several gdm processes running on the box
06:15
no ldm's
06:15
<ogra>
on the client ?
06:15
<SvenDowideit>
though it sure does not look likethe gdm screen on the main box
06:16
<ogra>
note that we default to ldm ... gdm and XDMCP arent used in ltsp5
06:16
ok, then its ldm
06:16
<SvenDowideit>
in that case... how do i tell?
06:16
<ogra>
you are likely missing updated sshkeys in the client chroot, run ltsp-update-sshkeys
06:16
<SvenDowideit>
I'm having trouble finding docks on obvious things like user management
06:16
<ogra>
you maintain your users on the server
06:16
<SvenDowideit>
in which?
06:17
<ogra>
with the tools available there
06:17
well, in ubuntu you just use the gnome user manager for example ... or adduser or whatever you prefer
06:17
<sbalneav>
SvenDowideit: Which server are you running?
06:17
<SvenDowideit>
i guess I've a problem?
06:17
quiet:/var/log# ltsp-update-sshkeys
06:17
bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found
06:18
I followed the second part of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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<ogra>
its part of the ltsp-server package, should be in /usr/sbin
06:18
<SvenDowideit>
on testing
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<SvenDowideit>
mmmm, now thats extra bizzare
06:19
I've my client booted
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but ltsp-server is not currently installed
06:19
sounds like i've made a big mess :(
06:19
<ogra>
how did you run ltsp-build-client then ?
06:19
<SvenDowideit>
yep
06:20
i'm wondering the same
06:20
<ogra>
its also part of the ltsp-server package
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<SvenDowideit>
think i must have somehow installed ltsp-utils after i got everything set up
06:20
<ogra>
thats ltsp4
06:20
<SvenDowideit>
y, i read that somewhere too :)
06:21
ltsp-update-sshkeys runs instantly, and has no output
06:21
do i know how its done anything?
06:21
nope - same thing again - or do i have to reboot the client now?
06:22
<ogra>
well, you obviously dont use ltsp5
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<SvenDowideit>
?
06:22
<ogra>
ltsp-utils was removed from ubuntu two release ago to prevent such stuff :(
06:22
<SvenDowideit>
y, simple fix though
06:23
<ogra>
i thought debian had fixed that as well
06:23
<SvenDowideit>
re-install ltsp-server
06:23
seems not :(
06:23
<ogra>
well, its very hard to fix, since ltsp-utils (ltsp 4 ) tewaks your system in non standard ways
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<SvenDowideit>
ah, wonderful :(
06:24
so i have it booting the client, but its unable to log in?
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and odder, i don't seem to have any log files
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(though - _are_ there any??)
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<ogra>
check ~/.xsession-errors of the user i'd say
06:26
<SvenDowideit>
ooo, lots of "xrdb: Can't open display ''
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"
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<ogra>
right, likely something with your servers desktop is wrong then
06:27
<SvenDowideit>
mmm, i can log in on the server's X
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<ogra>
same user ?
06:28
<SvenDowideit>
yup
06:28
mm, ok, an hour ago i could
06:28
better to check
06:29
yeah, that still works
06:32
is the fs on the client supposed to be ro?
06:33
when i log into the console on the client as root, and then ssh to the server, it can't write to /root/.ssh
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<ogra>
its supposed to only have necessary bits writeable
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/root isnt among these
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<SvenDowideit>
cool :) is taht sort of thing doccoed somewhere?
06:35
i'm going to continue to presume i made a mess somewhere, but as its my vmware server, i can't just start fromscratch
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mm, i can't log in on the console as one of my server users
06:36
should i be able to?
06:38
<sbalneav>
no
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<SvenDowideit>
:}
06:38
<sbalneav>
by console you mean a text login on the thin client?
06:38
<SvenDowideit>
yup
06:38
<sbalneav>
no, you can't
06:39
There's no active users on the thin client itself.
06:39
<SvenDowideit>
i was wondering if that was a problem, thanks
06:40
so atm, from the .xsession-erros - it looks like i'm able to log in to the client ldm
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but then it falls over
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<sbalneav>
With what?
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<SvenDowideit>
flicker flicker, and back to login
06:41
/usr/bin/ion3: No encoding given in LC_CTYPE.
06:41
>> Could not connect to X display ''
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>> Refusing to start due to encountered errors.
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I've tried most of the things on the video troubleshooting topic
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<ogra>
you are not using ldm ... you are using the old ltsp 4.2 (ltsp-utils)
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<SvenDowideit>
is there a way to confirm that?
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<ogra>
or a mishmash of 4.2 and 5
06:43
yes, you already did
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<SvenDowideit>
(as debian uninstalled the ltsp-utils package
06:43
when i reinstalled the server package
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<ogra>
that doesnt gain you anything
06:43
what you have set up in the beginning was ltsp 4.2
06:43
<SvenDowideit>
no
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<SvenDowideit>
other way
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i am pretty sure i set up 5, got stuff running
06:44
<ogra>
just installing the ltsp-server package will rather do harm now
06:44
<SvenDowideit>
and then added utils
06:44
guess there's one big q then.... how do i fixit ??
06:49
<sbalneav>
"not easily" would be the answer.
06:50
At a bare minimum, I'd mv /opt/ltsp/ to /opt/oldltsp
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<SvenDowideit>
are there docs on how things should be?
06:50
<sbalneav>
and do an ltsp-build-client from scratch
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<SvenDowideit>
roger :)
06:50
<sbalneav>
The edubuntu handbook has lots of good ltsp5 information.
06:50
<SvenDowideit>
that rebuilds the chrooted client?
06:51
<sbalneav>
yes.
06:51
<SvenDowideit>
I'm kinda curious how it all works - and where things get loged
06:51
<sbalneav>
save the old one, though
06:51
just in case
06:51
<SvenDowideit>
and so i' wondering what's on the server side too
06:51
<sbalneav>
what do you mean?
06:52
<SvenDowideit>
well, i didn't find a 'this is how it all works' doc
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just alot of howto's that don't really give me an idea of what i _could_ do
06:52
<sbalneav>
I just pointed you to it.
06:52
<SvenDowideit>
thankyou then :)
06:52* SvenDowideit clicks
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<SvenDowideit>
(ok, on google)
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<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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look there
06:54
<SvenDowideit>
:)
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<SvenDowideit>
ooo, thats a good url :)
06:55
auth works, next step
06:57
now its different - I seem to have logged in, and have a black background (not the stippled grey one) and a big X as cursor
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<SvenDowideit>
ie, logged in, wm started, but didn't like it
06:58
ah well, thanks for those urls - time for some reading
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<ogra>
hmm, no jammcq
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<Daggett>
hi all
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<sbalneav>
Hello
07:34
<Daggett>
I 'm having trouble setting up an USB printer on a terminal, I have searched for a solution, but I can't find any.
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The printing device is not created on the terminal (/dev/usb/lp0)
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and I can't find why.
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I've set the parameters PRINTER_0_TYPE = U PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0
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<sbalneav>
Which version of ltsp?
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<Daggett>
4.2
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<sbalneav>
I think it might be /dev/usblp0
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<Daggett>
sbalneav: there is no /dev/usblp0 as well, I did "modprobe usblp" on the terminal but nothing is happeneing
07:42
<sbalneav>
do you get any dmesg output when you plug in the printer?
07:43
<Daggett>
well, it's a distant LTSP installation, so I can't unplug/plug anything physically
07:43
that's why it's getting quiet hard
07:44
are there any mean to see if the printer is correctly plugged?
07:44
or if Linux did recognise it?
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, you'd have to check on a SCREEN_02=shell, and see if udev's recognizing the printer being plugged in.
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<Daggett>
sbalneav: I already have a SCREEN_02, and an sshd server running on the terminal, so I can connect to it and have a shell prompt
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and I can't see any /dev/usblp0 or /dev/usb/lp0
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nor module usblp
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<sbalneav>
check dmesg
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<Daggett>
so I modprobed the usblp module, but nothing happened
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<sbalneav>
maybe the usb port on that machine isn't enabled.
07:48
<Daggett>
ok
07:48
sbalneav: yes, that's wise!
07:48
;)
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<Daggett>
USB is enabled, and there are 1 USB mouse and a USB keyboard attached
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<exodos>
$ ltspfs salsa-10-1-0-53:/var/run/drives/VOYAGER /tmp/2
07:52
fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
07:52
can anyone suggest something
07:52
user IS in the fuse group
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running the same command from root acount works
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<sbalneav>
exodos: ls -al /dev/fuse
07:56
Daggett: Not sure then. Maybe the usb drivers simply don't recognize that printer. What kind of printer is it?
07:56
<exodos>
crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Sep 6 22:29 /dev/fuse
07:56
but Im using ldap auth
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and I have two fuse groups: one local and one on the ldap server, bot with the same gid
07:57
ldap is before files in nsswitch.conf
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<sbalneav>
Well, I'd say the fact that fuse is defined in two places is mucking you up somehow,
07:59
<Daggett>
sbalneav: HP SmartJet, with DirectJet Printing enabled
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<Daggett>
exodos: did you add the user in group fuse recently? and did you log out then log back in to get the new permissions for the user?
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<sbalneav>
Daggett: smartjet? That a win printer?
08:02
<Daggett>
sbalneav: sorry, it's PhotoSmart
08:03
it was working with LTSP 4.2, and we upgraded the server, but not the LTSP-4.2 tree, and the printers don't work
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<sbalneav>
Well, if you didn't upgrade the 4.2 tree, then that part of it should still work.
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So, if it used to work, and now it's not detecting, then you've touched SOMETHING in the 4.2 tree
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<Daggett>
sbalneav: I didn't but it may be a cups problem.
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<sbalneav>
but if /dev/usb/lp0 or /dev/usblp0 isn't there, then nothing's going to print.
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<Daggett>
sbalneav: ok, I have my /dev/usb/lp0 now and it's listenning on port 9100 (JetDirect service)
08:13
so it must be a cups problem
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<sbalneav>
So, what was it?
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<Daggett>
sbalneav: don't know...
08:18
maybe the printer itself was offline or something...
08:20
ok, I'm getting 1 of my 2 printers to work, it seems, that it was a cups problem... the URI of the printer was somewhat bizarre, I corrected it and it works
08:20
sbalneav: thank you for your help!
08:20
exodos: is your fuse problem solved?
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<exodos>
nope, and actually I don't know what else can I do
08:26
maybe reboot will solve the problem, but I have to wait with this
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<fgiraldeau>
hi sbalneav
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<fgiraldeau>
Will do the doc this evening, let's stay tuned.
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<ogra>
hey fgiraldeau
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<fgiraldeau>
hi there ogra!
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<fgiraldeau>
what's up?
08:39
<jammcq>
hey francis
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<sbalneav>
hey fgiraldeau, thanks
08:39
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:39
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq!
08:39
<ogra>
jammcq, !
08:39
he's alive
08:40
<jammcq>
hey ogra
08:40
<fgiraldeau>
And so, how does the road to the release is going?
08:40
<jammcq>
ogra: did you see my email?
08:41
<fgiraldeau>
Is there any showstopers?
08:41
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: Well, it's Fix It Friday. I've taken the day off work to work on bugs.
08:41
None that I know of.
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<ogra>
jammcq, yeah, i dont think we can take that as a license
08:42
<jammcq>
yeah, I figured. we're sending them a GPL LICENSE file to see if they'll add it to the tarball
08:42
<ogra>
jammcq, also *i* cant add anything they need to do it to their zip, tarball or whatever they provide
08:42
<jammcq>
right
08:42
that's why we'll get THEM to add it
08:42
<ogra>
yeah, thats a good idea
08:43
<jammcq>
ogra: it takes time, cuz we're dealing with people in Taiwan and they are like 13 hours ahead of us. so we send an email, and it's almost saturday there
08:44
so maybe we'll hear back on monday
08:44
but we'll get it
08:44
<ogra>
sounds good
08:45
<jammcq>
lots of people will benefit from this
08:45
so that's good
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<jammcq>
hey chupy
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<chupacabra>
hidy jim. top of the morn
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<jammcq>
how's things down there in bush country?
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<ogra>
he's from texas ?
08:51
<jammcq>
yeah, he sure is
08:52
he was the governator of texas
08:52
<ogra>
i know that GwB is from there :)
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<jammcq>
oh, well chuppy is also from tx
08:53
he's down in Austin. BEAUTIFUL city, btw
08:53
that is, if you like to go out at night and listen to great music and drink beer.
08:55* ogra heard that
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<ogra>
i'm, still missing a lot of the US on my travel map :)
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<jammcq>
well, considering your first visit was just under 1 year ago, you are doing pretty well
08:56
<chupacabra>
GW is not a texan.
08:56
<ogra>
heh, yeah
08:56
<jammcq>
chupacabra: we say he is
08:57
<chupacabra>
I know.
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<jammcq>
he's definately not a Michigander
08:57
<chupacabra>
oh well at least we know.
08:57
My GF is a michigander
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<jammcq>
wow, I wonder if I know her
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<chupacabra>
probably not.
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<chupacabra>
she is from Detroit though.
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<jammcq>
oh
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<max__>
Hi all, may I ask for a problem?
11:12* ogra looks which of his problems he could give to max__ ... :)
11:12
<max__>
:)
11:12
Now I'm using rom-o-matic images to boot LTSP clients from floppy.
11:12* cyberorg gives all of his to max__
11:12
<max__>
I want to boot from hard disk without floppy
11:12
How is it possible?
11:13
Some links to study?
11:13
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
11:13
its a bit outdated but at the bottom there are HD instructions iirc
11:13
<max__>
ok, I'll read it
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See you later :)
11:14
Tx
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<ajgz>
need a little help ... trying to get ltsp on centos 5 x86
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<sbalneav>
ajgz: ok, what help do you need?
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<ajgz>
I have installed ... and got every working .... via ltspadmin ...
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<ajgz>
but the workstation is just saying ..... searching DHCP ....
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<ajgz>
my MAC address is setup in the dhcpd.conf file ...
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<sbalneav>
Your dhcpd running?
11:43
<ajgz>
yes ...
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<sbalneav>
ps -ef | grep dhcpd, paste result
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<ajgz>
tftpd ... is also running
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i had planned to add a debconf option to the udeb if i really know it works
11:44
vagrantc, its just not tested yet (today is the first day i have it in an iso to see if it behaves in d-i)
11:44
<vagrantc>
cool.
11:45
ogra: i'm eager to get ubuntu and debian back in sync :)
11:45
<ogra>
yeah, we'll get that soon
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<vagrantc>
other than the nbd stuff, i've got a branch that basically works.
11:46
<ogra>
the udeb is my last big change to gutsy, then i'll focus on polishing and the like
11:47
vagrantc, seen that ? http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2007/09/07#20070907_debian-live-web-boot
11:47
he stole our nbd concept :)
11:47
and adapted it to http
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<vagrantc>
wow
11:49
that sounds way slick
11:49
<ogra>
yeah
11:49
thats the stuff squashfs/unionfs brings us
11:50
wlan clients becoming an option ;)
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<vagrantc>
though downloading a 150MB image over the net each boot is... a little crazy
11:51
ogra: so, that doesn't use nbd at all ... what do you mean stole our nbd concept ? :P
11:51
<ogra>
well, with todays DSL lines its possible at least
11:52
vagrantc, it uses the same concept of squashfs/unionfs the ltsp nbd boot uses
11:52
he just replaced nbd with http here
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<vagrantc>
ogra: they've been using squashfs+unionfs *long* before
11:53
ogra: i see nothing stolen :P
11:53
<ogra>
:P
11:54
<vagrantc>
ogra: in fact, i've even used debian-live with NFS+squashfs+unionfs in the past without problem
11:54
<ogra>
and with NFS+unionfs ?
11:54
<vagrantc>
not sure
11:54
<ogra>
that was the initial plan of mdz btw
11:54
<vagrantc>
i'm well aware of it
11:54
<ogra>
and it doesnt work
11:54
<vagrantc>
didn't work
11:54
<ogra>
until today
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<vagrantc>
maybe i just used NFS+unionfs for my debian-live netboot experiments ... i think so...
11:56
it was last december or so that i was messing with that
11:56
<ogra>
ah
11:56
<vagrantc>
i'm pretty sure, because i don't like the whole regenerate the squashfs bit
11:56
i mean, i see how it's useful
11:56* ogra just abuses a T150 with a USB1.1 HD as test install system ...
11:56
<ogra>
fun to watch :)
11:57
<vagrantc>
but i prefer to be able to tweak the files in the chroot and simply reboot for changes to take effect
11:57
<ogra>
yeah, its extramely usefull but indeed has drawbacks
11:57
normal users shouldnt need to tweak their chroots
11:57
thats the point
11:58
<vagrantc>
it's true
11:59
my primary use case is at freegeek, where we do all sorts of crazy things with it
11:59
tweaking it all the time
12:03
<ogra>
right
12:04
<vagrantc>
we use it for hard drive testers, system cloning, as well as typical thin clients and fat clients
12:04
<ogra>
well, thats why we still have the nfs option :)
12:04
<vagrantc>
oh yeah, and a jukebox machine
12:04
<ogra>
jukebox is cool
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<ogra>
i was planning a mythbuntu setup as plugin for ltsp-build-client :)
12:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's a shame you didn't manage to visit while you were in town
12:05
<ogra>
mainly for myself though
12:05
vagrantc, next year same time ;)
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<ogra>
seems orilley asked for it ;)
12:05
<vagrantc>
heh
12:05
<ogra>
i'll plan more extra time then
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
12:06* vagrantc waves to Gadi
12:07
<Gadi>
hey, vagrantc
12:07
got a sec to help me out?
12:07
<ogra>
yo Gadi, what did you break now again ?
12:07
<Gadi>
heh
12:07
indeed
12:07
I broke things
12:07
I am at that edubuntu install (feisty)
12:07
<ogra>
yeah, we got used to this :)
12:08
<Gadi>
and when I try to log in a user, ssh gets sigchld
12:08
and reports to ldm with error -1
12:08
I am trying to get these guys going again even with basic basic unix auth
12:08
<ogra>
what about plain console ssh login ?
12:08
<Gadi>
ssh to localhost on the server is fine
12:09
and ssh from shell on client is fine
12:09
<ogra>
with -X ?
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<Gadi>
oops
12:09
:)
12:10
ssh debugreports:
12:10
Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8561]: debug2: fd 11 setting O_NONBLOCK
12:10
Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug3: channel 1: close_fds r 8 w 8 e -1 c -1
12:10
Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8561]: debug3: fd 10 is O_NONBLOCK
12:10
Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug3: channel 2: close_fds r 9 w 9 e -1 c -1
12:10
Sep 7 13:06:05 518L1 sshd[8564]: debug1: Received SIGCHLD.
12:10
even when login is successful on localhost (with -X)
12:11
<Lumiere>
Gadi: pls use pastebot
12:11* Gadi taps mic to make sure he ison
12:11
<Gadi>
Lumiere: yes, yes
12:11
it was only a few lines
12:12
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Which ldm this with, the new one?
12:12
or the python one?
12:12
<Gadi>
no
12:12
python
12:13
<sbalneav>
Lumiere: Gadi's a good enough guy, we don't mind floods from him :)
12:14
<Gadi>
ldm.log reports that the session is killed by remote host
12:14
I have privilegeseparation turned on as per default
12:14
<vagrantc>
anything in the user's ~/.xsession-errors ?
12:14
<Gadi>
only that the session "started"
12:16
<ogra>
do they have a session at all ? (locally)
12:16
<Gadi>
seems that /etc/X11/Xsession is called and then ssh SIGCHLDs
12:16
no
12:16
<ogra>
Gadi, wait, feisty ?
12:16
<Gadi>
yes, feisty
12:17
<ogra>
mv ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf out of the way and see if that fixes it
12:17
<vagrantc>
Gadi: /etc/X11/Xsession is executable ?
12:18
<ogra>
me suspects thats https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/105709
12:18
sbalneav, ltspbot should really inherit ubotus bug functions :)
12:19
so we could see debian/ubuntu/upstream bugs by mentioning the number :)
12:19* ogra is such a lazy chap
12:19
<Gadi>
duh
12:19
I figured it out
12:19
stupid, Gadi
12:19
<ogra>
what was it ?
12:19
<Gadi>
I had added a script to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ to create some symlinks
12:19
<ogra>
aha
12:19
<Gadi>
looks like it was the culprit
12:20
need to fix that to exit 0
12:20
<vagrantc>
well, those files are sourced ... you don't want to exit out of them
12:20
<Gadi>
right
12:21
<ogra>
but you might add || true :)
12:21
<Gadi>
million thanks guys
12:21
<ogra>
for the sigle lines
12:21* ogra ponders to make ltsp use lpia over the weekend ...
12:21
<Gadi>
driving me even more nuts
12:23* vagrantc ponders what lpia is
12:23
<ogra>
vagrantc, will debian support the lpia arch at some point ? or is that ubuntu specific ?
12:24
<vagrantc>
can't say not knowin
12:24
<ogra>
its the ubuntu-mobile distro
12:24
lpia is essentially i386 (not 5 or 686) optimized for small ram and low CPU power
12:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: as long as it meets the architecture and release criteria, which largely means people are working on it and using it, then i suspect it will happen
12:25
<ogra>
that could gain us a lot
12:25
<vagrantc>
i386 or i486 ?
12:25
<ogra>
3
12:25
the smallest footprint possible
12:25
<vagrantc>
because upstream gcc dropped support for true 386s
12:25
possible the kernel as well
12:25
<ogra>
so its based on i386, but has added features
12:25
hmm, i might be worng
12:26
might be 486
12:26
<vagrantc>
whatever, it's real basic
12:26
<ogra>
no, its C
12:26
no realbasic in ubuntu :P
12:26* vagrantc stands .... corrected
12:26
<ogra>
:)
12:27
<vagrantc>
egads ... i was hoping to stop in at freegeek and test my latest 5.0.27debian* packages ...
12:27
but time moves on
12:30
i guess the next experiment i could try is NFS+squashfs+unionfs
12:30
<ogra>
yeah
12:30
<vagrantc>
or simply NFS+squashfs+bind_mounts
12:30
<ogra>
i doubt you gain any speed through that though
12:31
<vagrantc>
well, using squashfs means much smaller reads
12:32
<ogra>
right, but CPU overhead
12:32
and in the end you still have the nfs issues
12:32
<vagrantc>
NFS has served me pretty good over the years
12:33
certainly better than NBD thus far
12:33* ogra never had real probs with nbd
12:33
<vagrantc>
oh, i could try the nbd-server from sid as well
12:33
for some reason it's never made it into lenny
12:33
<ogra>
its missing one or two fixes we didnt get to wouter in time before UVF
12:33* vagrantc suspects a very stupid reason
12:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: what's that ?
12:34
version freeze ?
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<ogra>
upstream version freeze
12:35
ah, well the last addition was only a manpage
12:36
1:2.9.6-1ubuntu2 fixes a segfault though
12:36
(LP #134572)
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<lns>
Has anyone tried connecting a USB scanner to an LTSP5 client? Should this 'just work' ?
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<fgiraldeau>
hi there
20:46
question: is there a specific editor for the docbook xml used in edubuntu documentation?
20:47
<sbalneav>
Yup
20:47
vi
20:47
Or, emacs, take your pick :)
20:47
No, there's no wysiwig xml editor, unfortunately.
20:48
<fgiraldeau>
well, it's pretty well indented, usualy I use the 'gqav' for cutting lines to 80 chars, but it reformat the indentation.
20:48
<sbalneav>
I use VI with highlighting mode, and emacs has some nice editing modes for xml data.
20:48
Well, we'll lose the indenting eventually
20:49
I used the 'xmlindent" program to indent it, I'll work on it that way, and eventually, we'll remove all the leading spaces to shrink the file.
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<fgiraldeau>
ok, cool, will look at it.
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<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, it's perfect! Thanks for the tip, it' will save me a lot of boring formating.
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<sbalneav>
Evening vagrantc
21:06
Sigh. I was going to blog about Fix It Friday, but ruddy google blogger needs flash, and I've got gnash on this box and it doesn't work under that. :(
21:07
<vagrantc>
fix it friday ?
21:08
<sbalneav>
Yeah, we spent all day squashing ubuntu bugs.
21:08
I fixed 4.
21:08
<vagrantc>
well, if i can find a sponsor, i think i can get a new upload of ltsp to debian based on 5.0.27
21:09
still sticking with NFS and bind_mounts ...
21:09
though NFS+squashfs actually worked reasonably well
21:09
NFS+squashfs+bind mounts, that is
21:09
<sbalneav>
So, is it a bug with unionfs?
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<vagrantc>
i gave a couple tries with unionfs + NFS with no luck ... so not sure what's up with that
21:11
i mean, i know there tends to be bugs with unionfs and NFS ... but i know i've sucessfully used it with debian-live ... so maybe i'll build a debian-live image that uses NFS + unionfs and see what mount options it uses
21:11
<sbalneav>
Good idear.
21:12
<vagrantc>
i still haven't tried NBD + ext2 + bindmounts/unionfs
21:12
i did try the newer nbd-server, but it was just as flaky as the other versions (although it supported the -C option)
21:12
<sbalneav>
flaky how? Crashing?
21:13
<vagrantc>
hanging indefinitely at different spots each boot ... never very far into the boot process
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