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Channel log from 7 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<daduke>
!seen Gadi
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<ltspbot>
daduke: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Gadi> Blinny: cool
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<daduke>
!seen vagrantc
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<ltspbot>
daduke: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <vagrantc> well, if it's in bios, it's probably PXE
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<dean_za>
Hi , I have a stupid question , I installed iptraf inside my chroot and have setup ssh access , I have set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf , when I run iptraf on the terminal all traffic is on port 22 (ssh) is this correct , I thought that the traffic was not encrypted when LDM_DIRECTX was set ?
01:45
this is with 8.04
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<Pascal_1>
bonjour !
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<daduke>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
daduke: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"daduke" pasted "direct / encrypted X traffic" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/18
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<daduke>
dean_za: I've just posted the difference in the ps output that shows direct and ssh tunneled X traffic. Note that it's on Debian etch though, but it should be very similar to your setup.
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<vpxavier>
hello everyone
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<daduke>
vpro: hi
02:35
<vpxavier>
I'm working on implementing ubuntu based thin clients to use as web kiosks
02:36
the LTSP server is a ubuntu 8.04 alternate server
02:36
I saw that LTSP should be installed on a desktop in the documentation. Is this mandatory or not?
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<daduke>
vpxavier: can't say much about Ubuntu, ogra is your man
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!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
daduke: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <ogra> (which should be there by default if you biult it with ltsp-build-client)(
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<vpxavier>
because I can launch the kiosks after installing the environment with #sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk, but after that I can't have the clients connecting to the internet
02:39
my server as two nics.
02:40
eth0 is connected via dhcp to the internet and eth1 as fixed ip
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<LTSPTNK>
doesnt it connect at all or does it give u somekind of output
02:40
<vpxavier>
static sorry
02:40
the server is connected to the internet (as i can do apt-get update) but the kiosks cannot reach
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at all
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<LTSPTNK>
awh
02:41
i'll see how my things ar put up :)
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<vpxavier>
i'm trying from scratch with virtualbox and tried different ways I found on the net but none is working
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<vpxavier>
does anyone have a link where I can find a step by step guide to install LTSP server for kiosk with two NICs on the server?
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<LTSPTNK>
what about your another ethernet server, the one with the static ip, what is your gateway for that one?
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<vpxavier>
the server is a guest in virtual box and eth0 receives 10.0.2.15 as ip address, I don't now which gateway it uses
02:48
don't "know" sorry
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is there a command to know which gateway eth0 is using?
02:54
ok i've found that virtualbox seem to use 10.0.2.2 as gateway
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<LTSPTNK>
my networks are one dhcp and one static
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like:
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eth0 = 10.0.0.1 (DHCP decides)
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eth1 = 192.168.0.1 (static)
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eth1 gateway: 10.0.01
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<vpxavier>
ok so gateway i put the same ip as ip address of eth0
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I'm currently installing from scratch
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<LTSPTNK>
atleast it works for me
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dunno if it needs to be so or if thats the problem
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<vpxavier>
I think this is correct but I guess the problem is in the dhcpd.conf or in the nat
03:27
I'm reinstalling from scratch to be sure
03:36
ok, so my /etc/network/interfaces now contains eth1 with gateway ip address = ip address of eth0
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I rebooted and ifconfig shows me eth0 and eth1
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now I'm installing ltsp server with #sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone or should I do something else at first?
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<LTSPTNK>
i guess that you are good for now, but remember to config the dhcpd.conf then
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and im pretty sure that there are many here who can help u with that better than i can
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<vpxavier>
thanks already ;o)
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<vpxavier>
now editing dhcpd.conf
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<LTSPTNK>
( i use the default dhcpd.conf)
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<vpxavier>
i can't as my eth1 is configured with ip 192.168.1.2
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<Nubae>
vpxavier: in order to use ltsp inside virtualbox, u need to setup 2 virtual machines
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one with the ltsp-standalone-server
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<vpxavier>
I do
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<Nubae>
another that is the client
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<vpxavier>
that's ok
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<Nubae>
when starting up dhcp and ltsp server, u then startup the client vm and it should look for the image
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just make sure the 2 are on the same subnet
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what errors u getting in var/log?
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<vpxavier>
should I change something in dhcpd.conf other than the subnet (192.168.1.0), the DNS (192.168.1.2), the broadcast address (192.168.1.255) and the routers (192.168.1.2)?
03:46
...and the ip range
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<Nubae>
what have u got in /etc/network/interfaces?
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<vpxavier>
eth0 as dhcp
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eth1 as static with ip 192.168.1.2
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gateway is ip of eth0
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<Nubae>
and in dhcpd.conf, is the server set as 1.2, also?
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<vpxavier>
in dhcpd.conf: subnet 192.168.1.0
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<Nubae>
enable get-lease-hostnames
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<vpxavier>
range 192.168.1.20 192.168.1.250
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how?
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<Nubae>
and put next-server 192.168.1.2 just in case
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domain-name?
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<vpxavier>
ok understood
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<Nubae>
what error do u get when starting up the client vm?
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<vpxavier>
in domain-name-servers, is it correct to put my isp's dns ip address?
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<Nubae>
no, leave it as 192.168.1.2
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<vpxavier>
the clients ares installed with ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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<Nubae>
resolv.conf should have your isp nameserves
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<vpxavier>
and kiosk are booting fine but firefox is not able to connect to the internet
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ok
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<Nubae>
ahhh... I thought it wasnt loading at all
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<vpxavier>
ok I edit resolv
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what should be in this file?
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<Nubae>
the 2 nameservers of your isp
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do u have bind installed?
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or the nameserver of your router (the one connected to the internet)
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<vpxavier>
at the moment, there is: nameserver 10.0.2.3
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<Nubae>
is that your connection to the internet?
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<vpxavier>
given bye virtualbox I guess
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<Nubae>
yeah right... well leave that in there
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and underneath add the others
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<vpxavier>
I'll add my isp's
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should I simply add "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"?
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<Nubae>
yep
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<vpxavier>
ok so I have nameserver 10.0.2.3
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then nameserver "primary dns of my isp"
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thent the same with dns2
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of my isp
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sudo reboot
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<Nubae>
not necessary to reboot
03:58
just reboot the client
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<vpxavier>
I'm doing everything from scratch
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the ltsp-build-client --kiosk was not done, I'm doing it now after a reboot
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<Nubae>
so what was done then, for u to test internet?
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<vpxavier>
I just reinstalled my server on virtualbox from scratch
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on the server I can do apt-get update
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May I do "sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk" now or is it too soon?
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<Nubae>
on the client too... sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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<vpxavier>
the clients are kiosks
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(will be)
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<Nubae>
yeah thats why, they have local files
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or is this the first time u do --kiosk?
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<vpxavier>
it will
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<Nubae>
in that case ltsp-build-client like u said
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<vpxavier>
shoudl I do "sudo ltsp-build-client" before "sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk"?
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<Nubae>
no
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<vpxavier>
ok i'm doing it now then
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<Nubae>
u are on i386 right for both virtual machines?
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<vpxavier>
right
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<vpxavier>
this will take 5 minutes
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thanks already
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<Nubae>
k kewl, and u have internet access on the ltsp server virtualmachine?
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<vpxavier>
I don't know because it is a ubuntu 8.04 alternate server, but I can do apt-get update so I guess I can
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<Nubae>
yeah indeed, otherwise just ping google.com
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<vpxavier>
72.14.207.99 ;o)
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<Nubae>
ok good
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<vpxavier>
in my last tests this worked also
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but i did not update everything like now in dhcpd.conf
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and resolv.conf
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in the doc, I saw that ltsp server should be install on a desktop version, not an Ubuntu server, is this ok?
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<Nubae>
can be anything u want
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as long as u install ltsp-server-standalone
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!edubuntu
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<ltspbot>
Nubae: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
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<Nubae>
hmm...
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<vpxavier>
don't need edubuntu
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<Nubae>
!ltsp
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<ltspbot>
Nubae: "ltsp" is LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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<Nubae>
damn... there was a quick link
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<vpxavier>
I just want to have a web acces on wall mounted thin clients
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<Nubae>
anyway the easiest method is isntalling from the alternate cd
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<vpxavier>
lol
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<Nubae>
hitting f4 and then installing the ltsp server that way
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<vpxavier>
i'm in the best situation then
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<Nubae>
but u can do it from ubuntu server or desktop
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<vpxavier>
I have the alternate server
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<Nubae>
heh, yeah, when u started up, didnt u use the f4 option?
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<vpxavier>
f4?
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<Nubae>
yes the F4 key
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<vpxavier>
which option is it?
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<Nubae>
enbles ltsp-server installation
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<vpxavier>
didnt see it
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on the alternate server?
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I'm boot another virtual machine quickly while my ltsp build is running
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<Nubae>
yeah on startup, first screen, hit F4 and u install ltsp server
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sure, to check it out... in the future u do it that way
04:19
much easier
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<vpxavier>
thanks for the tip
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when I hit F4, I just see "normal"
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<Nubae>
no should give you the option of ltsp
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<vpxavier>
I swear!
04:25
I booted on the alternate server image
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<ltsppbot>
"gate_keeper" pasted "ltsp-client" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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<vpxavier>
hitting F4 just shows 'normal' in a cell
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<gatekeeper>
hi guys
04:26
how's goin...
04:26
?
04:26
..
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<vpxavier>
it's the 8.04 alternate server... @gate: fine ty, and U?
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<gatekeeper>
i have some problem with ltsp clients
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working a bit
04:26
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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here's the problem that came up, from the clients
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the server is ubuntu alternate 8.04
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busybox is showing all the time
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<Nubae>
alternate server... there should just be alternate cd
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<gatekeeper>
yes yes
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alternate cd
04:28
i've tried with ubuntu-server also
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<Nubae>
not u gatekeeper, talking to vpxavier
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<gatekeeper>
same msg
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<Nubae>
sorry
04:28
<gatekeeper>
ok, np :)
04:28
<vpxavier>
ok...
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<Nubae>
let me load up a vm with the alternate cd...
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<vpxavier>
I'm installing with alternate server because I will also use lamp and other tools
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<ltsppbot>
"gate_keeper" pasted "ltsp-msg" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/20
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<vpxavier>
my ltsp build finished
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<gatekeeper>
here's the msg from /var/log/syslog
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in pastebin_20
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<vpxavier>
I try booting the client
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it boots
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<Nubae>
gatekeeper: have u got just one dhcpserver for sure?
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<gatekeeper>
1 dhcp server
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<Nubae>
the router doesnt have one built in?
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<gatekeeper>
router yes
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the ltsp server also
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<Nubae>
u can only have 1
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otherwise they interfere
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turn dhcp off on the router
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<vpxavier>
firefox launches and shows me: "file not found" "firefox can't open the file at /usr/share/ubuntu-art-work/home/index.html" and when I try going on an url, it can't
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<gatekeeper>
okey, just a moment
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<Nubae>
vpxavier: go to terminal
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<vpxavier>
exactly what I had before
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<Nubae>
hit ping google.copm
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<vpxavier>
on the client?
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<gatekeeper>
to finish ltsp-build-client
04:34
:)
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<Nubae>
yes
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<vpxavier>
...the client asks for a login in terminal... what is it?
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<Nubae>
did u set one?
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<vpxavier>
the same as on the server?
04:38
no i didnt
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<Nubae>
from the server, do sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ passwd
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<vpxavier>
done
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on the client, which login should i use?
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<Nubae>
root
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and then the password u just set
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ah... but u have to rebuild client first
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ltsp-update-client
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<vpxavier>
@Nubae: sorry my computer crashed
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(VISTA... LOL... no comment)
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<Nubae>
damn, u're doing ltsp through vista and virtualbox?
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<vpxavier>
yes :'o(
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<Nubae>
u could have mentioned that
04:52
probably need to dns masquarade then
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<vpxavier>
sorry I mentioned that I used vista and ubuntu as guests
04:52
ok
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<Nubae>
from windows machine to client vm...
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<vpxavier>
the login on the client with roor doesnt work
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root sorry
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it asks for ltsp login
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so I could test ping on the client yet
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could not test
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<Nubae>
search for ltsp u have to rebuild the client
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sorry... was supposed to be: u have to rebuild th client
04:56
the client image
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ltsp-update-image
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<vpxavier>
again? I just installed everything from scratch
04:57
ok
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<gatekeeper>
networking changed ...
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let's see what's gonna happed
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*happend
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<gatekeeper>
again
05:00
same problem
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<vpxavier>
ok ltsp-update-image done
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<Nubae>
gatekeeper: eth0 is not static?
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and dhcp server turned off inside the router?
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s/not/now
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<gatekeeper>
eth0 is static
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<Nubae>
vpxavier: restart client, then try to login using root and the password u set
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<gatekeeper>
eth1 is dhcp
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<Nubae>
make them both static
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after all eth1 is the dhcp server
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<gatekeeper>
yes
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<vpxavier>
could you gave me the command to set root password again? it says it has expired
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<Nubae>
then it should be sttic
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<gatekeeper>
i'm wrong ..
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in /etc/network/interfaces
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eth0 and eth1 i've made them both static
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and dhcp server is listening on eth1
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:)
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<Nubae>
and the other dhcp server is off for sure?
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<gatekeeper>
yes
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<Nubae>
vpxavier: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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then passwd
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ok, do tail -n /var/log/syslog
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and then restart server
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sorry client
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and tell me what output u get to the screen when it gets to the busybox signal
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<gatekeeper>
something weird is happening, maybe this have some effect on the problem
05:07
with nfs
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<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "/etc/exports: # /etc/exports:" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/21
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<Nubae>
gatekeeper: u are not using nbd?
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what version of ubuntu?
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<gatekeeper>
8.04 LTS
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no idea which thing can be connected with this problem http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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<Nubae>
looks like you have changed settings quite a bit
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<gatekeeper>
which one?
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<Nubae>
u should not have nfs enabled
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its not used in 8.04
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<gatekeeper>
ok
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<Nubae>
where did u see u should enable that?
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did u follow some old wiki instructions?
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<gatekeeper>
maybe
05:13
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166&highlight=ltsp
05:13
one of them
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<Nubae>
ok, well, start from scratch.. its going to be quickest way
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<gatekeeper>
to rebuld the client?
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<Nubae>
when u startup the server, hit F4
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no, server
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<gatekeeper>
ok
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<Nubae>
when u startup with the cd I mean
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<gatekeeper>
yes
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<Nubae>
with F4 u choose ltsp server
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<vpxavier>
user root is still expired on the client side
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<Nubae>
and it will install everything necessary
05:14
vpxavier: in the thin client install ssh-server
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<vpxavier>
...before that I have to login
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<Nubae>
login to where?
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<vpxavier>
in the thin client
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<Nubae>
from the server... sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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then apt-get update, apt-get install openssh-server
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<vpxavier>
sorry
05:16
it gives errors
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<Nubae>
what errors?
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<vpxavier>
initscript ssh, action restart failed
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E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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<Nubae>
ok do mount /proc -t proc /proc
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inside chroot still
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then try it again
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<vpxavier>
done
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<Nubae>
ssh server installed?
05:19
do passwd root
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and then add password
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lets see if that does it
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<vpxavier>
dont know if ssh is installed
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<Nubae>
did u do apt-get install openssh-server?
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inside the chroot
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<vpxavier>
yes
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<Nubae>
and it didnt give errors this time?
05:20
<vpxavier>
but it gave error is mentioned
05:20
<Nubae>
but after the mount command
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<vpxavier>
just done it and it worked
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<Nubae>
good now do passwd root
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and add password
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<vpxavier>
done
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reboot client?
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<Nubae>
yes
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u should now be able to ssh into the client when its loaded and check whatever u need
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<vpxavier>
root is still expired
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<Nubae>
u tried sshing into the client
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?
05:24
did u rebuild the client image?
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<vpxavier>
on the server: ssh root@192.168.1.250
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connection refused
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192.168.1.250 is my client
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yes
05:27
anyway, I think this must be something to do with dns
05:27
as a reminder, I have vista with to virtualbox machines
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one is the ltsp server
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the other is the ltsp client built with the kiosk option
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the kiosk is booting fine but firefox can't reach the internet
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the eth0 on the server has static ip 10.0.2.15
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<gatekeeper>
and yes
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<vpxavier>
sorry
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<gatekeeper>
nfs was the major problem
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<vpxavier>
dhcp
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<gatekeeper>
thx Nubae for help!
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<vpxavier>
and eth1 has static 192.168.1.2
05:30
I saw some documentation about masquerade but nothing I tried worked
05:30
(it might be because of me) I'm a newbie
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<Nubae>
ok, try thzis vpxavier... one second
05:30
looking for wiki article
05:30
<vpxavier>
(thanks a lot for your time Nubae)
05:32
away from keyboard 1 minute
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<Nubae>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
05:32
did u look at that?
05:32
follow that... it should masquarade
05:32* Nubae goes for cigarette
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<vpxavier>
..back
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<gatekeeper>
away for lunch..bbl
05:34
<vpxavier>
yes, i did... I will try again as we updated dhcpd.conf and resolv.conf together
05:36
so, 1st I create the file /etc/network/options as it does not exist yet
05:38
then: sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
05:39
then sudo iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --jump MASQUERADE --source 192.168.0.0/24
05:39
but I replace 192.168.0.0/24 with 192.168.1.0/24
05:39
correct?
05:42
<Nubae>
if that is your internal subnet, yes
05:42
<vpxavier>
it is
05:42
I try
05:43
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
05:43
so it has something to do with the dhcpd.conf
05:43
<ogra>
on hardy yu should rather use ufw ...
05:43
http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
05:43
<vpxavier>
and resolv.conf
05:43
<ogra>
that howto above is about 2 years old
05:44
<vpxavier>
@ogra: talking to Nubae and I?
05:45
<ogra>
yes
05:46
<vpxavier>
and I should only follow the IP MASQUERANDING chapter, is that all?
05:46
<ogra>
ufw is run automatically on hardy startup, just add the rules as described
05:46
+yes
05:46
that should suffice
05:46
<vpxavier>
I'll try
05:46
<ogra>
no need for complicated up/down scripts etc
05:46
<vpxavier>
as I did not make the masquerade change permanent yet
05:47
thanks to both of you... Nubae, if you have a guest book somewhere, I'll become your biggest fan ;o)))
05:47
<ogra>
btw, patches to the kiosk module are happily accepted ;) if you found probs with it we can fix them for intrepid
05:48
<Nubae>
in theory though masquarading should jsut work out of the box for kiosk right?
05:48
ogra?
05:48
<ogra>
no
05:49
<Nubae>
heh, that should be mentioned in the plugin area of the wiki then
05:49
<ogra>
well, the wiki page is a proofof concept page that predates the plugin
05:49
<vpxavier>
right... this is very difficult to find for noobs like me :o/
05:50
<ogra>
i truned the example code from it into the plugin at a later lrelease
05:50
<Nubae>
we need some serious work done on the documentation
05:50
<ogra>
that too
05:50
<vpxavier>
I will try to post my experience
05:50
on just doing kiosk client running
05:50
<Nubae>
I've offered to help, but no idea where to start...
05:51
<vpxavier>
I saw I'm not the only newbie that's looking for something linke this
05:51
<ogra>
just grab the edubuntu handbook and rip out all edubuntu specifics :)
05:51
<vpxavier>
that's the difficult part
05:51
<ogra>
we can then rol it into a ltsp-doc package
05:51
<vpxavier>
I'll share what I know...
05:51
<Nubae>
ok, I'll assign myself to that then
05:52
try and include whatever is currently relevant
05:52
but where do we upload, track it?
05:52
launchpad?
05:52
<vpxavier>
Thank you, for your time guys
05:52
<ogra>
i think there is only one actual chapter for ltsp in it
05:52
you should be able to reuse most of it right away ...
05:53
<vpxavier>
C U...
05:54
<Nubae>
I'm building the rpm for google gears for the XO, should I make a .deb too for ubuntu?
05:54
<vpxavier>
bye
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05:55
<Q-FUNK>
google gears?
05:55
<Nubae>
http://code.google.com/apis/gears/
05:56
<Q-FUNK>
ah
05:57
<Nubae>
using it to create offline moodle
05:57
which synchs with an online moodle upon internet reconnect
05:57
should really be called client side moodle I guess
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06:01
<ogra>
Nubae, yes please and ping moquist about it if he's around, he maintains moodle in ubuntu (and considers taking over the orphaned debian package as well)
06:01
#ubuntu-motu will be able to help you with getting it into the archive :)
06:02
he website doesnt actually talk about moodle though
06:02
<Nubae>
gears u mean?
06:03
<ogra>
yeah
06:03
<Nubae>
gears is used for everything, not just moodle... google docs for example
06:03
its basically sqlite, javascript, ajax and other code to allow apps to work offline on the dekstop
06:05
its normally as a firefox extension (.xpi) but had to do an rpm build so it works for all users and works for weirdish browsers
06:06
the offline moodle is a project that requires gears
06:07
which olpc is building... but that will be a while still
06:07
<ogra>
olpc ?
06:07
i thought they gave up on linux
06:07* ogra met a lot of resigned olpc devs in prague
06:08
<Nubae>
not entirely, and the windows port will happen only in 2009
06:08
yeah indeed, everyone is pissed
06:08
but sugar goes on as its own project
06:08
<ogra>
as it was before olpc anyway :)
06:08
<Nubae>
which is why it was to be installed on so many new gen laptops
06:08
<ogra>
just with less devs :)
06:09
<Nubae>
yeah funny story... olpc got 200 shinys new laptops, painted red for the windows devs
06:09
<ogra>
heh
06:10
<Nubae>
200.... wonder how much money MS threw their way
06:10
olpc europe is considering changing names, drafting up a new charter
06:10
<ogra>
well, in canonical we'll (or *i*, since i'm the edu dev) focus on using the netbook remox and just have an educational app suite on that
06:10
*remix
06:11
and probably a more childish theme
06:11
<laga>
200 laptops? how many people are working there?
06:11
<Nubae>
laga: my question exactly
06:13
what's nice about sugar is the colab tools
06:13
its a one click button to share any app or document with another user in the network neighbourhood
06:16
<ogra>
which requires mesh networksing for which you dont even have any drivers anywhere yet apart from the hacked up olpc one
06:17
so thats a moot point
06:17
<Nubae>
isnt the new classmate supposed to have mesh networking?
06:17
<ogra>
it hd a chipset that supports 802.11s, yes
06:17
*has
06:18
<Nubae>
and cant it use the hacked up olpc driver?
06:18
<ogra>
like many oter devices
06:18
no, different chip
06:18
<Nubae>
ah
06:18
<ogra>
there are many out there, but as long as the wlan stack doesnt even support ad hoc you wont get that running at all
06:19
its a kernel/driver prob
06:19
thats far from being solved yet ... only in hackish ways on the very top level ... i.e. with avahi
06:20
<Nubae>
well its a great feature for education nevertheless
06:21
we'll see if anyone thinks sugar is going to live past the XO
06:21
<ogra>
its packaged in 20 packages or so in ubuntu
06:21
so i'd expect someone to do something with them any time in the future
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<LTSPTNK>
any clue where i could hit some help with this AD shit?
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06:38
<aidy>
guys seriously, is there any way that i don't have to redownload all those .deb files if i do something stupid that makes the script error out?
06:39
i did this ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --workstation Ubuntu which asks to enter a username to give root privileges to, and i accidentally entered 'root' and then it says the 'root' group already exists and then it says 'error: installation interrupted'
06:39
and if you try again it complains about the directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already existing
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06:40
<aidy>
great engineering :( sorry for the rant but i'm getting frustrated by this
06:43
<Nubae>
aidy: delete that directory
06:44
and run the plugin again
06:44
<LTSPTNK>
sudo rm -R /opt/ltsp/i386 if it says that htey allrdy exist
06:44
<aidy>
yes I'm not stupid... what i want to prevent is that it has to download the whole thing again
06:45
while really, there should be a way for the scripts to continue after an error
06:45
<Nubae>
well, there isn't
06:45
u could try and set the user yourself
06:45
<aidy>
great that's a huge bandwith waste
06:46
Nubae: yes but there was some other stuff that still needs to be done i'm sure
06:46
<Nubae>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386
06:46
<aidy>
yes thanks i also know how to chroot
06:46
<Nubae>
well, check the plugin... think thats already towards the end
06:46
aidy: do u want help or just to vent?
06:48
<aidy>
I want help :)
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<aidy>
im just a bit frustrated.
06:48
<Nubae>
well its not our fault u didnt read the instructions properly
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<aidy>
wait i'll show you
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<aidy>
also i don't think there are instructions that tell you to enter a non-existing user if it asks for one
06:50
http://omploader.org/vbDdn
06:50
<Nubae>
(01:38:18 PM) aidy: i did this ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --workstation Ubuntu which asks to enter a username to give root privileges to, and i accidentally entered 'root' and then it says the 'root' group already exists and then it says 'error: installation interrupted'
06:51
clearly a user with root priveledges is nto the same as root
06:51
<aidy>
i don't know, that's up to interpretation...
06:51
<Nubae>
it even says admin priveledges
06:52
<aidy>
okay okay
06:52
<Nubae>
well, not to waste time, 2 things u can do
06:52
<aidy>
so where do i find out where in the script the error occured?
06:53
<Nubae>
cat <workstationscript>| grep "admin priviledges"
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<aidy>
nice
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06:54
<aidy>
i can do that manually
06:54
<alkisg>
aidy, you may install apt-cacher to avoid redownloading debs: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-repository-cache-with-apt-cacher
06:54
<Nubae>
I've installed the workstation script lots of times and I've done it manually too... I believe its towards the end
06:54
so u can create the user manually
06:54
the one with admin privs.
06:54
<aidy>
after i complete the workstation script, theres nothing left to do?
06:54
<Nubae>
not iirc
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<aidy>
alkisg: thanks :)
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07:01
<vpxavier>
re hello every one
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07:02
<vpxavier>
@Nubae and ogra
07:02
I installed ltsp kiosk with ufw
07:02
it works perfectly
07:02
<ogra>
great to hear :)
07:02
<Q-FUNK>
:)
07:03
<vpxavier>
I just have to find how to enable TFTP boot for my clients because ufw is blocking it
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07:03
<vpxavier>
but masquerading works
07:03
<Q-FUNK>
vpxavier: try this:
07:03
<vpxavier>
and its easier indeed with ufw
07:04
<Q-FUNK>
ufw allow tftp
07:05
<vpxavier>
Utra SIMPLE Firewall they said.... they were right...
07:05
<Q-FUNK>
you might also wanna edit /etc/default/ufw and add:
07:05
<vpxavier>
thanks Q-FUNK
07:05
<Q-FUNK>
works?
07:05
<vpxavier>
yes
07:05
<Q-FUNK>
and it loads the image now?
07:06
<vpxavier>
sorry... it boots...
07:06
but after the ubuntu logo, I have a black screen
07:06
<Q-FUNK>
it's probably trying to figure out which driver to load
07:06
for X
07:06
what hardware do you use?
07:07
<vpxavier>
it works if ufw is disabled
07:07
<Q-FUNK>
ufw enable xdmcp
07:07
<vpxavier>
I guess I have to enable another port
07:07
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: actually, does ldm use xdmcp or something else?
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07:08
<ogra>
ldm uses ssh ...
07:08* ogra was assuming Q-FUNK knew that
07:08
<Q-FUNK>
vpxavier: in that case, it woould be:
07:08
ufx enable ssh
07:08
ööö
07:08
ufw enable ssh
07:09
<ogra>
i doubt he needs that ... using kiosk mode
07:09
there is no ldm involved anywhere
07:09
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: then what does he need to enable? plain x11 ?
07:09
<ogra>
no, jst tftp is fine
07:10
<Q-FUNK>
he doesn't get his X
07:10
<ogra>
in kiosk mode the browser runs locally as the session
07:10
<stgraber>
tftp+nbd
07:10
<ogra>
oh, right, nbd
07:10
<stgraber>
tcp/2000 for NBD, not sure ufw knows about it
07:10
<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: that would be /etc/services
07:10
<vpxavier>
so, tftp, ssh, xdmcp, and nbd?
07:11
<Q-FUNK>
vpxavier: only tftp and nbd
07:11
<stgraber>
for kiosk you only need : tftp (to get the kernel) and nbd (to get the root system)
07:11
<vpxavier>
I'm trying
07:11
<stgraber>
ssh is needed when you connect to a terminal server which you don't and xdmcp is no longer used with LTSP5
07:12
<Q-FUNK>
ufw allow 2000/tcp
07:12
<aidy>
Nubae: what do i do with # get the write-permission for a couple directories and files right for unionfs echo 'copy_dirs="$copy_dirs /var/lib/urandom' $LOCALHOME'"' >> $ROOT/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
07:12
<Q-FUNK>
man ufw
07:12
lovely man page. simeple and up to the point.
07:14
<vpxavier>
sudo ufw allow nbd: ERROR: Bad port
07:15
<ogra>
ufw allow 2000/tcp
07:15
:)
07:15
bd isnt in /etc/services so ufw doesnt know it by name
07:15
*nbd
07:15
<vpxavier>
oki
07:16
<Q-FUNK>
et la? ca marche?
07:17
<vpxavier>
je teste lol
07:17
much better
07:18
it works
07:18
thanks guys
07:18
merci Q
07:20
<Q-FUNK>
team work (tm)
07:20
<vpxavier>
@ogra: if I enable ufw, everything is denied except the ports allowed? or are there default rules
07:20
<ogra>
no idea, jdstrand in #ubuntu-server is its developer ... i never used it myself
07:21
<vpxavier>
ok will try then ;o)
07:21
<ogra>
i just know that its our default tool starting with hardy and makes everything easier :)
07:21
<vpxavier>
I will install LTSP on top of a LAMP and asterisk server
07:21
<Q-FUNK>
VoIP on the kiosk clients?
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07:22
<vpxavier>
at the beginning, it will be for SIP devices but if it is possible to have it working on a KIOSK client I won't be able to sleep tonight ;o)))
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07:23
<vpxavier>
is it?
07:24
<Q-FUNK>
it should be
07:24
running ekiga on the clients and asterisk on the server
07:24
I'm not sure if anyone ever tried it, but it would make a nice and simple office system
07:25
<vpxavier>
I will write a wiki on my experience after that because I know a lot of office wants this
07:26
<ogra>
you dont have any desktop on kiosks ...
07:26
or launchers or so
07:26
<vpxavier>
is it possible to install ekiga for clients in "kiosk" mode (ltsp-build-client --kiosk)
07:26
<ogra>
firefox is the session ...
07:26
<Q-FUNK>
right. he'd need to create a kiosk variant with a few apps and a minimalist desktop using e.g. icewm
07:27
<stgraber>
vpxavier: you'll have to create a custom session script and install a window manager + ekiga in the chroot
07:27
<ogra>
right, something like that
07:27
metacity is installed
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07:27
<ogra>
you need launchers etc
07:27
and tweak the devilspie setup to not force ff into fullscreen on startup ...
07:28
<ByPasS>
morning ogra :)
07:28
<ogra>
hi
07:28
<vpxavier>
It will be too difficult for me I think
07:30
My goal is to have the following:
07:31
1) firefox with a different home page for each thin client (based on ip or mac address)
07:31
2) SIP softphone
07:31
<ByPasS>
ogra : quick question, in order to be able to ssh in from thinclient to the ltsp server itself, is it only key/auth to be tweaked ?
07:32
<ogra>
well, installing ekiga is one thing for 2) .... but you need some way to switch it on and off
07:32
ByPasS, sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
07:32
and you indeed need a fully working desktop on the server to log in to
07:33
<vpxavier>
3) a slideshow with pictures on the ltsp server as screensaver
07:33
4) a music / movie player
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07:33
<vpxavier>
5) auto login
07:34
6) a coffee machine ;op
07:34
<Q-FUNK>
a kitchen sink
07:37
<vpxavier>
is this compatible with LTSP?
07:38
<ogra>
sure, but it involves hackery
07:38
its linux ... everything is possible :)
07:38
<vpxavier>
..I agree... but not always easy ;o)
07:39* ogra didnt mention "easy" in any of the sentences abov :)
07:39
<ogra>
e
07:39
<vpxavier>
07:39
LOL
07:40
AFK 5 minutes sorry
07:40
<ogra>
so ... install pypanel in the chroot ... install the apps you want there as well, modify /home/kiosk/.xsession to run pypanel, drop devilspie
07:40
that should roughly get you into the right direction
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07:49
<aidy>
hi i set up a workstation thin client, but when booting it up, it hangs at 'starting nfs common utilities'
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<vpxavier>
sorry I've been kicked...
07:57
by vista
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07:58
<vpxavier>
i didn't see answers about my questions on requirements about my project
07:58
<ogra>
<ogra> so ... install pypanel in the chroot ... install the apps you want there as well, modify /home/kiosk/.xsession to run pypanel, drop devilspie
07:58
<ogra> that should roughly get you into the right direction
07:59
<vpxavier>
I'll try
07:59
what is devilspie?
08:00
<ogra>
(replace the firefox command in the .xsession file with pypanel and you will have pypanel as session instead of firefox)
08:00
a tool that enhances metacity (teh window manager) to have capabilities like forcing apps into fullscreen if tehy open
08:02
<vpxavier>
thanks
08:03
so just installing the apps on my server, then pypanel in chroot
08:03
<ogra>
no
08:03
all in the chroot
08:04
<vpxavier>
ok
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08:04
<ogra>
(apart from the screensaver stuff that you want on the server indeed)
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08:08
<vpxavier>
will autologin work also?
08:08
<ogra>
doesnt it already ?
08:09
thats something the kiosk plugin should have set up
08:09
<vpxavier>
yes but i was wondering if it would work in kiosk mode
08:09
OK
08:09
I'll try now then
08:09
<ogra>
if you dont break it on purpose it should just go on to work :)
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08:23
<vpxavier>
when I try apt-get in chroot, I get sudo: unable to resolve host 'nameofmyserver'
08:24
<ogra>
dont use sudo *inside* the choot
08:24
the sudo command already made you root
08:24
err
08:24
s/sudo/shroot/
08:25
gah
08:25
*chroot
08:25
<vpxavier>
ok...
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08:30
<vpxavier>
get an error: E: Sub-process /urs/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1) when installing ekiga
08:30
in chroot
08:31
<ogra>
thats only the result ... the actual error should be above thats omewhere
08:31
<vpxavier>
ok I see...ty
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08:34
<aidy>
how do i use apt-cacher with ltsp-build-client?
08:35
<ogra>
what for ?
08:35
just use --keep-packages
08:35
and make sure your server doesnt wipe the downloads
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08:37
<daduke>
Gadi: howdy. Back in May we talked about rdesktop on :8, remember? We agreed on me getting back to you in July. tataaaa, here I am ;)
08:38
<aidy>
ogra: what does --keep-packages do?
08:38
ogra: what i want to achieve is that when i do a new build it won't download everything again
08:38* ogra points to ltsp-build-client --extra-help
08:40
<aidy>
ty
08:41* Gadi waves to daduke, and seems to recall he said end of July (after hackfest) :)
08:41
<vpxavier>
the exact error is can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
08:41
<daduke>
Gadi: my bad. But you're off the hook anyway. Let me just give you the short version:
08:41
<Gadi>
hehe
08:42
<ogra>
dont you let him of the hook !
08:42
<Gadi>
it took ogra a long time just to get me on the hook!
08:42
;)
08:42
<ogra>
:)
08:42
<daduke>
Gadi: Windows Server 2008 respawns the login window every 30 s. There's no way to change that (we talked to M$ directly), but it causes rdesktop to be restarted constantly and always switches to :8 from :7 if you're in X.
08:43
<Gadi>
right - that one I told you how to solve
08:43
make a wrapper for rdesktop, put it in a loop, and call the wrapper from the screen script
08:44
<daduke>
Gadi: what I now did is insert echo Press return to activate rdesktop... and read foo into /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
08:44
<Gadi>
ugly, but effective
08:44
:)
08:44
<daduke>
Gadi: exactly. solves our problem.
08:45
Gadi: I might still try the wrapper at some point tho
08:45
<Gadi>
nice thing about the wrapper is you dont keep respawning X
08:45
<vpxavier>
@ogra: when trying to install in chroot, I've error "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts no mounted?)
08:46
<daduke>
Gadi: true.
08:46
<Gadi>
(for example, your way breaks the niceties of session migration in rdp)
08:46
<daduke>
Gadi: true too. Haven't gone into any such details yet.
08:46
Gadi: ok, I'll work on the wrapper tomorrow ;)
08:47
<Gadi>
!seen sbalneav
08:47
<ltspbot>
Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
08:47
<Gadi>
*sigh*
08:47
<daduke>
Gadi: is this just for me or also for other LTSP ppl?
08:47
<Gadi>
whats that?
08:47
the rdesktop stuff?
08:48
<daduke>
Gadi: would this wrapper be of a more general interest?
08:48
<Gadi>
definitely - rdesktop is the bastard step-son of this project
08:48
doesn't get the love from anybody
08:48
<daduke>
Gadi: I see.
08:48
<Gadi>
:)
08:48
personally, I am not sure why the screen script is included
08:49
<ogra>
vpxavier, thats normal moaning and can be ignored
08:49
it wont affect anything
08:50
<daduke>
Gadi: I also haven't been able to make local USB devs work, but I only tried for 5 mins or so
08:50
<Gadi>
hehe - that takes secret sauce
08:50
<daduke>
Gadi: great
08:50
<Gadi>
but, it is largely coupled to core mechanisms
08:50
so, I have to redo a lot of it for latest ltsp revisions
08:51
and then, code it in such a way as to be accepted upstream
08:51
:)
08:51
I love that we have an upstream
08:51
<daduke>
Gadi: and by the end of July we'll talk to vagrantc to do the etch backports? of whatever we have at that time?
08:52
<Gadi>
right - that would be the plan
08:52
<daduke>
Gadi: sounds like a good plan.
08:52
<Gadi>
but, first, I think we need to review the code we have at hackfest
08:52
and do some polish work
08:52
<daduke>
Gadi: the one in OR I'm not able to attend?
08:52
<Gadi>
and architecture thinking and such
08:52
right
08:52
the self same
08:53
<ogra>
polish work ? how about the romanian, italian and german work ?
08:53
<daduke>
Gadi: have fun. I hope northern CA's not burning any more till then
08:53
<Gadi>
ogra: have you been taking ur meds?
08:53
:)
08:53
<ogra>
:P
08:54
<Gadi>
brb
08:54
<daduke>
ogra: notice the non-capital 'p'
08:54
<ogra>
pfft ... tpyos lal het tiem
08:55
<daduke>
yeah right. I'm outta here for today.
09:01
<vpxavier>
@ogra, there are also dependenciy problems for ekiga in chroot
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<lejo_>
the /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm script seems to turn my numlock off. How can I change this behaviour. It's on during the boot of the TC but as soon as this script is executed it's turned off again. I tried to add numlockx to the script but without success
09:23
if I login to the TC afterwards and type DISPLAY=:7 numlockx on it does work
09:23
<vpxavier>
how to set the home page for kiosk clients?
09:29
<LastLemming>
LTSP 5 is released spring 2007, right?
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<epoxy|w3rk>
where should i go to add more sessions to ldm? i'm redoing a system and i cant remember
10:12* epoxy|w3rk tried to ponder
10:17
<moa>
/usr/share/xsessions?
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hehe.. weird..
10:19
lyle:/usr/share/xsessions# update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
10:19
No alternatives for x-session-manager.
10:19
and fluxbox is in /usr/share/xsessions
10:19
but does not show in preferences->sessins
10:19
( in LDM login screen )
10:21
<LastLemming>
nbd is better than nfs? how?
10:21
<Nubae>
2 times faster LastLemming
10:22
on startup
10:22
and more stable connection
10:22
<vpxavier>
does anyone know how to set a default home page for firefox for ltsp kiosk clients
10:24
<chrisjrob>
vpxavier: any use - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxMandatoryPreferences
10:24
<vpxavier>
I'll check this, thanks!
10:27
are you sure it works with kiosk clients?
10:30
<chrisjrob>
vpxavier: sorry, haven't run kiosks myself, but that's how you do it for Firefox
10:30
<vpxavier>
ok Thanks chris
10:31
<ogra>
LastLemming, ltsp 5 was released about 3 years ago in ubuntu breezy the first time and about 2 years ago in debian etch ...
10:33
LastLemming, nfs doesnt sork with unionfs, so you have to make a lot of effort to get parts of the filesystem writable, that makes booting very slow ... nbd devices can just be used with unionfs so you have a writable fs in ram nearly immediately ...
10:33
<laga>
you can use aufs in ubuntu hardy AFAIK
10:33
<ogra>
sure
10:34
<laga>
or at least hack it in very easily
10:34
<ogra>
and its default in intrepid :)
10:34
<laga>
yay
10:35
<Nubae>
hmm interpretation, nfs will be faster with intrepid?
10:36
<laga>
interesting point. i'm not sure if aufs will influence performance with NFS that much
10:38
<ogra>
Nubae, nfs can never be faster
10:39
<Nubae>
why?
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<ogra>
for one nbd ists on a lower level ...
10:42
*sits
10:43
<Nubae>
ah didnt mean faster than nbd, faster than current nfs
10:43
<ogra>
the copying of files into ramfs and tarring up of dirs for the writable bits is still the default and i wont implement anything for it ...
10:43
<epoxy|w3rk>
bleh..fixed my ldm error. Damn permissions :)
10:43
<Nubae>
:-)
10:44
<ogra>
so booting nfs is and will stay a pain untl someone reimplements it in ltsp ... ubuntu will stay with the nbd setup though
10:44
<LastLemming>
someone tried to change ldm languages?
10:44
<ogra>
which means i wont look deeper into nfs beyond applying patches for fixes i get sent ...
10:44
<LastLemming>
nothing change
10:48
<vpxavier>
I'm a little confused... nobody here used LTSP with kiosk clients and another default homepage? I thought this was a FAQ
10:51
<LastLemming>
I don't know what it's kiosk :)
10:53
<vpxavier>
lastlemming: a mode where your ltsp client boot via PXE, log in automatically and firefox is launched
10:54
(nice if you want a shared computer to be uses only for web browsing)
10:57
<ogra>
add a line with: user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://your/homepage/url") to /opt/ltsp/kiosk/etc/firefox-3.0/profile/prefs.js
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<ogra>
then run ltsp-update-image
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11:02
<vpxavier>
I try this but the correct path to the js file seem to be /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/firefox-3.0/profile
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11:03
<cronopio>
Hi All!!
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<cronopio>
It's somebody awake??
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<cronopio>
I have a little problem with a terminals
11:04
<laga>
no
11:06* cronopio excuses himself for his bad English
11:06
<laga>
cronopio: just ask
11:06
if someone knows they will answer :)
11:06
<vpxavier>
@ogra: it doesn't work... home page is still http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
11:07
<cronopio>
The problem is a shakes in terminals, I think the problem is with refresh with X, but i dont shure
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<cronopio>
I'm don't using LTSP, I using Thin Client thats connect to XDMCP
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<cronopio>
the bad it's that i dont know how to search the problem, i can't explain good
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<aidy>
hi
11:42
is it possible to add a line to /etc/hosts on the thin client?
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11:55
<ogra>
aidy, crete an etc/hosts.ltsp file in the chroot
11:55
*create
11:55
<aidy>
ah thanks ;)
11:55
syntax is the same?
11:56
<ogra>
yes, it gets merged on client boot
11:56
<aidy>
okay :)
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<aidy>
also, the timezone information seems to be wrong
12:11
<ogra>
it should be the servers info
12:11
it gets copied over during chroot creation (in ubuntu at least)
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12:12
<ogra>
the 035-copy-timezone plugin does that in ltsp-build-client
12:19
<aidy>
wierd...
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12:30
<aidy>
what's the best way to mount an nfs filesystem on boot of the thin client?
12:36
<epoxy|w3rk>
fstab or throw the manual commands in a rc script?
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<ByPasS>
I dunno if ur still there ogra, but i think i forgot to mention something this morning
12:45
i want to ssh from thinclient to ltsp server BUT
12:45
the thinclient is running with SCREEN_02=shell
12:46
I can ssh to the server when im chroot on server but wont work on the thin itself even after the 2 commands u told me to run this morning
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<moa>
Has anyone ran into the problem of a random black screen with only a cursor at login?
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<ByPasS>
moa : new install ?
13:40
<moa>
Old install
13:41
It's been running just fine for over a year now.
13:41
The only thing that has changed is the amount of users logged in.
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<Gadi>
moa: did you recently do an upgrade of the openssl package on the server?
13:55
if so, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
13:55
and reboot
13:55
(the terminal)
13:56
if it is not related to that, another thing to check is to run: sudo pkill -u <username>
13:56
where username is the name of the user getting the black screen
13:56
and relog in
13:58
<Yoshi47>
can someone lead me in the right direction of connection to an exsisting xdmcp session or atleat vnc
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<Gadi>
you mean take over a running session?
13:59
<Yoshi47>
i wouldn't mine finding that out too?
13:59
<Gadi>
?
13:59
what is your question exactly?
13:59
<Yoshi47>
*i wouldn't mind find that out too!
14:00
<lejo_>
Gadi: somehow the screen_session or configure-x.sh script is turning off numlock. It's on during the start of my TC until those scripts are executed. Can I change this behaviour or run the numlockx command somewhere in a script?
14:00
<Yoshi47>
i have users here that our on xdmcp session and would like to vnc/equivelant on to it to help them out
14:00
<Gadi>
lejo_: yes - numlock status gets reset when X inits
14:01
lejo_: numlockx should be an xclient, so you should be able to run it as a startup script of the X session server-side
14:01
Yoshi47: LTSP 5 or 4.2?
14:01
<Yoshi47>
gentoo Xorg configure to allow xdmcp requests
14:02
<Gadi>
are you using LTSP?
14:02
<Yoshi47>
nope
14:02
<Gadi>
heh
14:02
<Yoshi47>
haven't seen the need too.
14:02
<Gadi>
funny place to ask the question
14:02
<ogra>
if they run gnome they just can enable remote desktop sharing in the desktop session
14:02
<Gadi>
:D
14:02
<Yoshi47>
yeah i figure that
14:02
they running xfce
14:02
<ogra>
well, that asnt such a feature
14:02
*hasnt
14:03
<Gadi>
run x11vnc
14:03
and configure it
14:03
<lejo_>
Gadi: thx, that is very helpfull already! Could you point me to an existing X session startup script (to which I can add it perhaps?)
14:03
<Yoshi47>
and how to i find what dispay a user has with xdmcp
14:03
<ogra>
or install vino :)
14:03
<Yoshi47>
so i can connect to it with vnc
14:03
<Gadi>
Yoshi47: try typing: w
14:04
or: last -a |grep still
14:04
or some such
14:04
:)
14:05
<Yoshi47>
ok that helps a little
14:05
now i have to configure X11vnc
14:05
or is there something better
14:05
real?
14:06
<Gadi>
lejo_: echo "numlockx on || true" >00numlockOn; sudo cp 00numlockOn /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
14:06
<ogra>
well, vino is what gnome uses, not sure how many dependencies that pulls in though, but that gives the user a little gui where he can enable it himself
14:07
so if he has probs he can allow you to access it ... and else he can swith it off
14:07
<Gadi>
Yoshi47: just start x11vnc on boot of the client
14:07
<ogra>
by just checking checkbox
14:07
<Gadi>
with the "wait" parameter
14:07
<Yoshi47>
i want to force it.
14:07
<Gadi>
don't forget to set up some password creds and such
14:07
its all in man x11vnc
14:07
<Yoshi47>
yeppers
14:07
<ogra>
right, then you need to install it on the client
14:07
<Yoshi47>
ok
14:07
thanks.
14:08
<Gadi>
prolly some howtos on google, as well
14:08
but, you'll get the idea
14:08
<Yoshi47>
would be nice to get it from the server then i would have to remeber what client they are on.
14:08
<Gadi>
last -a |grep still
14:08
<Yoshi47>
yep i can use that.
14:08
<Gadi>
or "w"
14:09
should work, too
14:09
<Yoshi47>
last -a |grep still doesn't bring up one user that is on
14:09
<Gadi>
sounds like wtmp is not being updated properly
14:10
should be done by your display manager
14:10
<ogra>
right
14:10
<Gadi>
(yet another thing to add to the list for ldm, btw)
14:10
:)
14:11
<ogra>
??
14:11
<Gadi>
update wtmp
14:11
<ogra>
ldm has nothing to do with wtmp
14:11
ssh is responsible
14:11
<Gadi>
ah, ok
14:11
does ssh do this properly?
14:11
it hadn't in the past
14:11
<ogra>
no idea
14:11
if not, thats an ssh bug
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<Gadi>
ah
14:12
seems to work here
14:12
so, I guess we're good
14:12
:)
14:12
<ogra>
ldm is responsible for .dmrc ... which ist doesnt handle yet :)
14:12
but surely not for any other login process related things :)
14:13
<Gadi>
dont call me shirley
14:14
<vagrantc>
Gadi: if you don't respond, then people probably won't call you that anymore.
14:17
<Yoshi47>
so if i wanted to take over an exsisting session how would i do that?
14:17
<Gadi>
Yoshi47: if x11vnc is running on the client once X starts...
14:17
<Yoshi47>
via xdmcp?
14:18
<Gadi>
then you need only: vncviewer <ip of client>
14:18
<Yoshi47>
so there is no way without vnc?
14:18
<Gadi>
not XDMCP, X
14:18
no
14:18
<Yoshi47>
ok.
14:18
<Gadi>
you need to use vnc
14:18
whats wrong with vnc?
14:18
:)
14:19
<Yoshi47>
nothing, just wondering if there was a direct X way of doing it since you can start up X remotely i would just make sense that you got connect to an exsisting xdmcp
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<vagrantc>
well, you could implement a man-in-the-middle attack if you really knew what you were doing.
14:21
surely there's scripts out there to handle that...
14:21
but that's hardly a clean way to handle it :)
14:22
<Yoshi47>
nice
14:23
<Pascal_1>
bsoir atertous
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<lejo_>
Gadi: the file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d does not get picked up by ldm/X
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<lejo_>
I added an echo statement to it which writes something in /tmp but the file in /tmp does not get created (so the script is not called)
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<Gadi>
try moving it to: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
14:38
I have one just like that and works for me
14:38
mine actually reads:
14:39
# X session startup script: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
14:39
if [ -x /usr/bin/numlockx ]; then /usr/bin/numlockx on; fi
14:39
# EOF
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<Gadi>
perms are 644 (owned by root)
14:44
<moa>
has ltsp5 been ported over to gentoo yet?
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<vagrantc>
moa: johnny and dberkholz have put some work into it.
14:59
<moa>
What would be the next best distro to use?
15:00
<vagrantc>
well, LTSP has been longest supported in ubuntu, shortly followed by debian...
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15:01
<vagrantc>
but it really depends on what you mean by best...
15:01
if you're more comfortable with fedora or opensuse, those also have recent implementations as well
15:02
<moa>
I'm looking for something stripped down, all we need is a few applications.
15:02
web browser, im client, and a terminal.
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc, moa: mostly johnny, really. all my initial work is in code heaven at this point =)
15:48
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: i know you haven't done much lately. we'll work you real hard for the hackfest. :)
15:48
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: yeah, i basically see it as an opportunity to really make sure things are integrated properly since i'm intimately familiar with gentoo and X
15:49
turning the code from semi-rough draft into polished product
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<vagrantc>
hear hear!
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