IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:21
<vagrantc>
alkisg: there was the "temporary" option in nbd-server configuration... dunno how it works
00:21
but that sounds pretty much perfect, would save the need to delete the file on removal
00:21
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I saw it but didn't think it suits us, let me think again why...
00:22
First, I don't think it supports sparse files
00:22
Then I don't think we could run mkswap from the server (ok that's not a very big deal)
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00:23
<vagrantc>
running mkswap server-side doesn't allow for encrypted swap
00:23
<alkisg>
I left the mkswap in the client in case of encrypted swap
00:24
But only then, there's no point to strain the network otherwise
00:24
<vagrantc>
why do it server side in some cases and client-side in others...
00:24
<alkisg>
Efficiency?
00:24
I didn't put that code, it was already there
00:24
I even removed the duplicate mkswaps
00:25
(which were happenning by default)
00:25
<vagrantc>
seems silly to do it that way...
00:26
<alkisg>
OK, but anyway it's unrelated to my commits, if you think so you can fix it. About the temporary option though, I don't like it if it doesn't support sparse files, I'd have to have #clients * 512 MB by default...
00:26
*I'd hate to..
00:27
<vagrantc>
did you test that it doesn't work with sparse?
00:27
or where'd you find the documentation?
00:27
and could we get wouter to fix it? :)
00:28
<alkisg>
No, I didn't test, I just thought so by reading the manpage
00:28
If we could get wouter to support nbd swapping, it would be the best
00:28
Not only with sparse in the temporary option, but something more complete, so that we don't need nbdswapd at all
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00:40
<sutula>
vagrantc: Sorry if this has been beaten to death or something like that...I upgraded a debian squeeze ltsp install a week or so ago and USB devices are no longer automounting. Is there a pointer to a fix?
00:40
ltsp-server 5.2.4-2
00:41
I'm configured for squeeze-backports
00:42
<vagrantc>
sutula: haven't heard of the problem at all
00:42
<sutula>
vagrantc: Is there a standard "debugging usb issues" page?
00:42
I recall one a long time ago
00:43
<vagrantc>
the only one i know is wildly out of date to the point of being misleading
00:44
<sutula>
vagrantc: I can see the device show up in the thin client's /var/log/syslog, but from there, it's black magic to get it to show up on the user's desktop
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00:47
<alkisg>
'night all
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01:09
<vagrantc>
sutula: what desktop environment?
01:09
<sutula>
Gnome, default
01:09
<vagrantc>
sutula: user in the fuse group?
01:10* sutula checks...I don't see the devices mounted under /media/<username>
01:10
<vagrantc>
sutula: any files like /tmp/.ltspfs-* ?
01:10
<sutula>
Yes, in fuse group
01:11* sutula logs in to check the /tmp files
01:13
<sutula>
vagrantc: No /tmp files with "ltsp" anywhere in the name
01:13* sutula wonders whether there should be a syslog entry on the server
01:15
<sutula>
vagrantc: Thanks for your help...I have to leave for an hour or so, but will check back later. Let me know where else to look if you have ideas.
01:15
<vagrantc>
sutula: check for /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
01:15
sutula: look what that's doing
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01:16
<vagrantc>
look for weird fuse permissions, like on /usr/sbin/fusermount
01:16
or is it /usr/bin?
01:17
apparently it's /bin/fusermount on my machine ... should have setuid permissions
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06:53
<elias_a>
Hyperbyte: Thank you!
07:11
<Hyperbyte>
elias_a, you're welcome. :)
07:11
Where about in Finland are you?
07:23
<elias_a>
Hyperbyte: In south-west corner. Kaarina, next to Turku.
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07:24
<Hyperbyte>
Ah..
07:24
<elias_a>
Hyperbyte: Here: http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=Kaarina&hl=fi&sll=62.593341,27.575684&sspn=16.549099,44.780273&oq=kaarina&hnear=Kaarina&t=m&z=15
07:25
<Hyperbyte>
I need to visit Finland sometime. :)
07:25
<muppis>
elias_a, about just around the corner. I'm living in Huittinen.
07:25
<elias_a>
muppis: We talked about that sometime - didn't we?
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07:25
<elias_a>
Now - a conference call...
07:26
<muppis>
elias_a, I think we did.
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07:50
<elias_a>
muppis: Are you employed by public sector or a private company?
07:50
<muppis>
elias_a, private.
07:51
<elias_a>
muppis: What sort of organizations do you have as customers?
07:53
<muppis>
elias_a, schools, municipalities, few local big and smaller companies.
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07:57
<bakytn>
guys, how to install device drivers onto the chroot?
07:58
<muppis>
bakytn, something specific in mind?
07:59
<elias_a>
muppis: The reason why I am asking is that I would like to have some more information how things are being handled there.
08:00
muppis: Could we have a chat sometime?
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08:00
<bakytn>
muppis, at least hplip printer drivers
08:01
muppis, or a video driver
08:01
muppis, for video driver specifically Chrome 9 HC3
08:02
more specific question. Had anybody successfuly installed HPLIP on chroot?
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08:08
<alkisg>
Sure, all fat client installations here have that preinstalled
08:11
<bakytn>
alkisg, hi sir! are you talking bout hplip?
08:12
<alkisg>
bakytn: yup
08:12
<bakytn>
alkisg, btw, your idea about virtualbox is on my mind. thinking about "why not". in that case it would work with local usb devices ;D
08:12* bakytn fighting with printers... especially LaserJet 1005
08:13
<bakytn>
alkisg, just need more powerful end device
08:13* alkisg too, fat clients ftw!
08:18
<bakytn>
guys! what's advantages and disadvantages of using NFS vs NBD?
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08:18
<bakytn>
NBD is just faster right? with NFS we don't have to run update image
08:18
<prem>
hi all
08:18
<bakytn>
anything else?
08:18
prem, hi
08:19
<prem>
i configuerd ltsp server in debian squeeze.,setup a dhcp and tft server
08:19
<bakytn>
prem, great!
08:19
<prem>
but when in booting from a PXE client.,its fetching a ip but not the tftp service
08:19
its showing "ERP;Timeout" and exits
08:20
bakytn, i tried chaning the fiel permissions of /opt/ltsp folder.,still its not working out
08:20
<bakytn>
prem, can you show us your dhcpd.conf in /etc/ltsp/
08:20
<prem>
yeah
08:20
<bakytn>
prem, try to run /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart
08:21
not sure but it might help
08:21
prem, are you sure your tftp server is actually running?
08:21
<prem>
bakytn, i restarted tftp so many times
08:21
bakytn, tftpd status shows it its runnning
08:23
bakytn, http://pastebin.com/Dw3nGPcq this is my dhcpd entry for ltsp
08:24
the client does fetches an ip but not the tftp image
08:25
<alkisg>
bakytn: yes, the main advantage of nbd is that it's 5-10 times faster than nfs, for disk access. Thin clients don't need much disk access after boot though.
08:26
!tftp
08:26
<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
08:26
<alkisg>
prem: that's for ubuntu, but it has some tests that will help on debian too ^
08:26
E.g. to try tftp from another, non ltsp client, etc etc
08:27
<prem>
alkisg, i will give a try
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08:42
<Gremble>
heya
08:43
I'm wondering, I want client to have a username set on the LDM login prompt, but not to actually log in
08:43
is that possible?
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08:55
<alkisg>
Gremble: there's the possibility to have a button under the ldm login prompt, which when you click, will use a predefined username/password. It's called "LDM_GUESTLOGIN", and it uses "LDM_USERNAME" and "LDM_PASSWORD".
08:55
!lts.conf
08:55
<ltsp>
alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
08:55
<Gremble>
I know alkisg
08:56
<alkisg>
Yeah that's the only option
08:56
<Gremble>
but I want the username completed, but the password NOT supplied
08:56
<alkisg>
Gotcha, no, it can't be down without patching ldm yourself
08:57
<Gremble>
okay cool
08:57
would it be possible to do this via scripting, or do you think I'd need to dig in the code?
08:57
guess I need to look at the scripts
08:57
<alkisg>
Dig in the C/gtk code
08:57
<Gremble>
yuck
08:58
well, might be fairly trivial
09:02
<bakytn>
prem, your conf looks ok
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10:03
<alkisg>
Ouch 64mb is not enough for unpacking the initramfs in precise... some labs here will need minimalized initramfs's...
10:04
At least a vbox client with 70 mb boots fine, so nbd_swap handling from init-ltsp.d is OK, no need to handle it from the initramfs
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10:28
<yopla>
Hello, Is there sort of Windows client that could open session to LDM ?
10:31
<alkisg>
The nx client can create sessions to remote linux servers, if that's what you're asking
10:31
It's not related to ltsp, but of course it works on ltsp servers too
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10:35
<yopla>
Thank you, I then need a freenx server in addition to LDM ?
10:35
<alkisg>
Yes, x2go is a good one
10:40
<yopla>
thank you, did'nt know about x2go. Looks as freenx replacement
10:41
<alkisg>
Yes, the difference is that it's actually maintained, while freenx isn't.
10:44
<yopla>
great, seems there be a ppa package fur ubuntu
10:46
there is
10:46
<alkisg>
Yes and it receives frequent updates too
10:46
<yopla>
thank you vm
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10:49
<ninipote>
Hello everybody
10:49
I'd like to know if someone install virtualbox 4.1 in chroot
10:50
<alkisg>
Yes
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10:52
<ninipote>
i've juste installed it, i can launch in a client. But when i try to start a VM it tells me i've to do /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
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11:10
<Hyperbyte>
ninipote, so what's the problem?
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12:00
<ninipote>
HyperByte : Every time i restart my client i've to su root and /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup.
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12:00
<ninipote>
It takes 30 seconds for each client. How to install correctly virtualbox in chroot ?
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
No experience with setting up virtualbox, but I'd say run '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' in the chroot, and then ltsp-update-image
12:13
!ltsp-chroot
12:13
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ltsp-chroot: you can download ltsp-chroot from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
Oh
12:13
Forget that, you should have it
12:15
<ninipote>
That's what I do : /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup in the chroot and then exit and ltsp-update-image
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
No idea then, sorry. Stick around, alkisg will definitely be able to help you once he comes around.
12:16
<ninipote>
When i test in chroot, vboxdr status says everything is ok. But when i boot the client, it seems the /etc/init.d/vbxdrv setup haven't been done.
12:16
Thanks for your help...
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12:27
<alkisg_web>
ninipote: I think you need to run vboxdrv setup in the chroot, while running the same kernel as the chroot, not the one of your server
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12:34
<ninipote>
thank you. But how can i do that : running the same kernel as the chroot ?
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12:41
<txor>
hiho! I am writed a ltspfs hook to show a desktop icon, I trying to import it via config.default but permissions fails, I can't give it exec perm... how to do it? Thx in avance!!
12:42
I added the file to config.default and it apears but with 644 ... :S
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12:49
<cyberorg>
txor, desktop icons should showup automatically
12:50
<txor>
automounted devices with the internationalized desktiop path doesn't work, with gnome
12:51
my user desktop path is "/home/my_user/Escriptori"
12:51
The concrete case is a usb pen, it get mounted but if the user alerady logged in, the icon didn't appear, it appears if the user relogs
12:52
I am asking how to define the file permissions for the files imported on the config.default file...
12:53
<cyberorg>
txor, see /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons on the server, may be you can change path of ~/Desktop in that script
12:53
<txor>
I have to tahe the desktop path from the commang xdg-user-dirs, I can't hardcode it
12:54
and I know nothing about python! :S
12:54
<cyberorg>
txor, you cannot define permissions, if you add the file to RCFILE_01=/path/to/file exec permission will be set
12:55
<txor>
Instead I write my own hook in shellscript nad I am copying it to /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/ via config.default file, it appears but without exec permissions.
12:55
<cyberorg>
RCFILE_01=/path/to/file in lts.conf
12:55
<txor>
Ok! I try it
12:55
<cyberorg>
path is the path in client image, not on the server
12:56
<txor>
Yes I know, thats what I want, I'll try the RC_FILE_01 tag
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13:00
<txor>
Thanks you very much for the info! See you
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13:00
<xsl>
ninipote: have you marked also virtualbox as localapp? (just in case your have it installed on the LTSP server also and the clients try to run the LTSP one instead of the chroot one
13:01
<ninipote>
all my client are fat-client so i think it doesn't care !?
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13:07
<alkisg_web>
ninipote: what arch are you using for the server and what for the chroot?
13:18
<ninipote>
on the server (amd64) 2.6.32-21-server and on the client (amd64) 2.6.32-22-generic
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13:19
<alkisg_web>
ninipote: then just install the generic one on your server too, so that you have 2 kernels installed, and boot it with that kernel before running vboxdrv setup
13:19
ninipote: you can also ask in #virtualbox about how to install vbox in a chroot, it's a more appropriate channel there
13:20
They may even tell you to file a bug about it, or maybe they'll have a better workaround
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14:03
<ninipote>
I've found a solution : i've created a symlink from 2.6.32-21 to 2.6.32-22. In the chroot i've done /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup and then ltsp-update-image !
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14:33
<stgraber>
alkisg: making a new snapshot of trunk now
14:33
<alkisg>
stgraber: nice, thank you
14:36
<stgraber>
alkisg: uploaded
14:39
<Gremble>
LDM_ALLOW_USER - does it actually work?
14:39
it doesn't seem to be working for me
14:39
I'm on Debian Squeeze
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<alkisg>
I think I'll just have enough time to build a single thin chroot before feature freeze, so it'd be better if others did some testing as well. bbl.
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<stgraber>
mgariepy: new test packages ready
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16:57
<alkisg>
OK with a little fiddling the initramfs goes down from 16 Mb to 9 Mb, so 64MB clients are again bootable with Ubuntu 12.04.
17:00
Specifically, by removing /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth... sadly, it brings a lot of X libraries in the initramfs :-/
17:09
<knipwim>
alkisg: does ubuntu do bindmounts or aufs in the initramfs?
17:09
<alkisg>
knipwim: aufs. It used to support bindmounts too, but it's been unused for too long
17:09
I think vagrantc also plans to move to aufs instead of bindmounts, for nfs
17:09
knipwim: actually, overlayfs, not aufs
17:10
<knipwim>
overlay seems much simpler than bindmounts
17:10
<alkisg>
Yeah...
17:11
I think in the future we can also do the overlay stuff directly from init=/sbin/init-ltsp, inside the real file system, so that we won't need to touch the initramfs at all
17:12
(you can do the bindmounts from the currently, no need for them to be in the initramfs)
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17:39
<stgraber>
alkisg: booting a thin client here, I see plymouth for a second, then black screen, the nbd connection message, a Code 1 error (whatever it's), then the usual upstart boot messages and finally ldm
17:39
alkisg: any idea what's making plymouth exit so early?
17:39
(going to grab some food now, will be back in 15min)
17:40
<alkisg>
stgraber: no idea, I haven't found time to check why we're having plymouth-related code inltsp\
17:40
I'm almost done with the shutdown/reboot scripts though, work ok
17:43
I don't see the code 1 error, I do see a keyboard warning from plymouth though
17:43
assertion error etc
17:43* alkisg has plymouth disabled usually
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<mmetzger>
Any hints for making sure a printer shows up in OpenOffice?
18:10
<stgraber>
alkisg: I'm looking at plymouth now
18:11
<vagrantc>
won't really have time to poke at LTSP until tomorrow :(
18:11
<alkisg>
stgraber: I have this for the disconnection, and you just call it from the old services with /usr/share/ltsp/nbd-disconnect reboot|shutdown: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844725/
18:11
...but it needs a little more polishing, I hope I'l commit it in 15'
18:12
example upstart job: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844726/
18:14
<stgraber>
looks good
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18:14
<alkisg>
It runs fine if ran directly from the console. But it has 2 problems:
18:14
1) I think the -persist option of nbd-client is broken
18:15
It doesn't properly reconnect when the network is down, and it does reconnect with nbd-client -d /dev/nbd[0-1] !
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<alkisg>
2) I think upstart is killing the script too soon, I was experimenting with sysvinit services before and it didn't have that problem, I could sleep for any number of seconds on shutdown
18:19
...and also nbd-client -d /dev/nbdX produces errors on the console, I think the new name based exports have some protocol bugs
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18:22
<alkisg>
So the end result is that the nbd-server processes on the server do close, but another one is started! /me experiments without -persist...
18:23
<stgraber>
alkisg: "Error code 1: File not found"
18:23
alkisg: "/"
18:23
is what I get when running /sbin/init-ltsp
18:23
<alkisg>
stgraber: ah, I was seeing a line with a single "/" while booting, maybe it's related
18:23
I haven't seen that though
18:23
Btw I didn't yet ran ltsp-build-client with any new package
18:24
OK I think without the -persist it's working ok for the swap mount
18:24
<stgraber>
I'll push a change to init-ltsp to redirect all its output to a log file if that makes sense to you
18:24
<alkisg>
stgraber: I have "break=" support there
18:25
So you can bisect which script does that
18:25
But yeah a log file would be nice as well
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18:26
<htop>
hello, i am getting a stupid error with ltsp on linux mint 12:
18:26
line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory
18:26
<alkisg>
OK, reboot/shutdown are fine now, committing...
18:27
<htop>
does anyone know, how to deal with this error?
18:29
<stgraber>
alkisg: it's 01-getltsconffile when lts.conf doesn't exist
18:29
<alkisg>
stgraber: pushed the nbd-disconnect script, please put the upstart services to call it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844746/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/844747/
18:29
Aj
18:29
Ah
18:30
<stgraber>
and the / comes from a "cd -" in the code
18:31
alkisg: testing a fix
18:32
<vagrantc>
htop: you installed using ltsp-build-client?
18:32
htop: if so, linux mint doesn't build a proper chroot.
18:33
<alkisg>
Ah, cd - >/dev/null then
18:33
<htop>
vagrantc: yes.
18:35
<vagrantc>
htop: there is no linux mint code in upstream LTSP, so we'd really need to see some mint developers working with us
18:35
<alkisg>
stgraber: I removed the (useless) nbd-client service, gotta leave for a few hours, hope the release is stable enough for alpha 2. :)
18:35
<vagrantc>
they probably just use the code from ubuntu, but don't change some things that need to be changed, is my guess.
18:35
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok
18:36
<htop>
mhm. ok. which is the recommend distribution for ltsp?
18:36
ubuntu?
18:36
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, fixed the boot messages issue, I still don't get plymouth though ... will look into it for another 30min, otherwise I'll fix it for .1
18:36
<vagrantc>
debian and ubuntu are the two most actively developed, as far as i can see.
18:36
(as one of the developers :)
18:37
the ubuntu folks are busy in here preparing the next ubuntu release of LTSP right this very second!
18:37
<alkisg>
stgraber: what's your kernel command line like?
18:38
<stgraber>
alkisg: it's actually a bit longer than our current one ;)
18:38
alkisg: ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nd0 init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 vt.handoff=vt7
18:38
hmm, I mean =7
18:39
<alkisg>
Isn't that grub-specific?
18:39
Or it's for the plymouth => X handoff?
18:40
<stgraber>
it's telling the kernel to go straight to vt7 and stay there
18:40
<alkisg>
We do override much of the vt stuff, unfortunately, with SCREEN_XX, SCREEN_DEFAULT etc
18:41
<stgraber>
yeah...
18:42
though it currently looks like the initramfs is to blame for the plymouth issue, still digging though
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18:42
<alkisg>
bbl
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<stgraber>
LTSP 5.3 release will be a few minutes late ... still fighting plymouth
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19:18
<LuizAngioletti>
Howdy!
19:19
<Hyperbyte>
Hi!
19:19
<LuizAngioletti>
Hyperbyte: Hello again! =D[
19:20
Hyperbyte: I don't know If I asked it to you already... but: I want to simulate the LTSP deployment, for study purposes.
19:20
Do you happen to know a tool to do that?
19:20
<Hyperbyte>
What exactly do you mean with "simulate the LTSP deployment"?
19:20
<LuizAngioletti>
I'm thinking about virtualized server and clients + network traffic monitoring and local processing logs.
19:20
and RAM usage.
19:21
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, you want to create an LTSP setup purely virtual?
19:21
<LuizAngioletti>
Yeah.
19:21
But I want access to important statistics.
19:21
like proc, mem, net. And use cases.
19:22
<vagrantc>
set up virtual servers and virtual thin clients, and monitor them... ?
19:22
nothing magic about it.
19:22
<LuizAngioletti>
For instance: case 1, video on youtube; case 2, writer + firefox (facebook) + firefox (mp3 streamming), etc..
19:23
Is there a tool that would simulate the LTSP environment/setup?
19:23
<knipwim>
virtualbox?
19:23
<Hyperbyte>
LuizAngioletti, you could take the easy route and just set up one computer or even laptop with LTSP...
19:23
<vagrantc>
qemu-kvm?
19:23
<LuizAngioletti>
vagrantc: =)
19:23
<vagrantc>
LuizAngioletti: just set up virtual servers and monitor them... i don't understand what simulation you need beyond that?
19:24
<LuizAngioletti>
Hyperbyte: But then I wouldn't have the clients to test it with... and I want to push it to the limit... proper academic research
19:24
<stgraber>
bisecting the initamfs is really a pain ;)
19:24
<Hyperbyte>
LuizAngioletti, -any- computer that can netboot, can be an LTSP client.
19:24
And -any- computer can be an LTSP server.
19:24
<LuizAngioletti>
Hyperbyte: I get that, but where can I find 50 clients?
19:25
<Hyperbyte>
And they can both be virtual too if you want.
19:25
LuizAngioletti, you could just ask in the channel what hardware people recommend for 50 clients.....
19:25
<LuizAngioletti>
Hyperbyte: but then I wouldn't have a paper... =P
19:26
<knipwim>
LuizAngioletti: why wouldn't a virtualbox solution do?
19:26
or qemu-kvm for that matter
19:27
<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: It will solve the virtualization problem. But what about the load? How can I manage 30 VMs opening Firefox/Youtube at the same time?
19:27
<knipwim>
clusterssh
19:28
<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: now we are talking interesting. =)
19:28
What is that?
19:28
<knipwim>
it pushes the same commands to a range of clients
19:28
man cssh
19:28
The command opens an administration console and an xterm to all specified hosts. Any text typed into the administration console is replicated to all windows. All windows may also be typed into directly.
19:29
<vagrantc>
LuizAngioletti: 50 virtual clients?
19:29
<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: I like that. =D
19:29
vagrantc: what about it?
19:29
<vagrantc>
LuizAngioletti: to get your 50 thin clients
19:29
<LuizAngioletti>
vagrantc: thx. =)
19:31
<vagrantc>
LuizAngioletti: you could also set up autostart programs and configure ltsp to autologin
19:31
<LuizAngioletti>
vagrantc: hm...
19:35
<knipwim>
LuizAngioletti: on trick i did in a cluster was to let all the clients watch a server file, accessible for all the clients
19:35
and push commands to that file from the server
19:36
<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: and how would they get executed?
19:37
<knipwim>
with a script running on the clients
19:37
executing the commands in that file
19:37
<LuizAngioletti>
hm...
19:37
ok. Thx a lot guys. =)
19:37
I'll let you know of my success. =)
19:38
<knipwim>
LuizAngioletti: pushiing crontab entries
19:38
for timed execution
19:38
<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: would also work..
19:38
<knipwim>
love to see the paper :)
19:38
<LuizAngioletti>
Me too. =P
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19:42
<stgraber>
fixed!
19:42
vagrantc, mgariepy: tagging now
19:45
<vagrantc>
stgraber: 15 minutes early?
19:45
<stgraber>
LTSP 5.3 released and pushed to trunk, thanks everyone!
19:45
vagrantc: more like 45min late
19:45
<vagrantc>
oh
19:45
<stgraber>
I barely will have the time for a test build :)
19:45
<vagrantc>
you ubuntu folks run fast and loose :P
19:46
i'll test it out tomorrow and upload
19:46
<stgraber>
well, I'm planning to ship 5.3.2 in 12.04 ;)
19:46
<vagrantc>
i'll push everything upstream and backport patches, or make a new point release as needed.
19:46
<stgraber>
5.3 is mostly "get all the shiny stuff in and make sure it still boots"
19:46
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's probably what i'll work on tomorrow
19:47
<stgraber>
cool, I'm expecting other distros to do the same (Ubuntu included), we'll probably get a few point releases right after 5.3 for bugfixes
19:49
ok, LTSP 5.3 uploaded to my PPA, will spend the next hour work on some minor packaging fixes and writting a proper changelog
19:53
<vagrantc>
oh, i do dread writing the changelog.
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<stgraber>
test packages built, that's good sign ;)
20:06
yeah, the packaging changelog is fine, but I want a nice upstream changelog too, that means reading all the changes from 5.2.16 to 5.3, will have to read pretty quickly :)
20:07
<vagrantc>
stgraber: manually editing the changelog?
20:07
we've always just dumped the commit log from bzr.
20:08
<stgraber>
I always write a changelog of the big changes under "New upstream release" in debian/changelog
20:08
<vagrantc>
stgraber: although some people, depending on their bzr settings, would dump using log --short and some would dump the full log.
20:08
<stgraber>
so people don't need to read the full changelog
20:08
<vagrantc>
yeah, i try to do the same
20:08
<stgraber>
though this time I'm considering "Just assume we changed everything on the client side and half of it on the server side" :)
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844922/ anything major I missed?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: looks feasible, although i'm a little unclear on the screen-session.d hacks you're referring to?
20:33
stgraber: you shipped some in the packaging?
20:33
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, for some broken hardware
20:34
but I pushed some of these to the kernel and the rest were geode GX2 that won't boot anyway
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<sutula>
vagrantc: RE yesterday's issue (no local USB devices showing up), a fresh install of the chroot fixed it with no other changes. The symptoms were similar to this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644850
20:37
<vagrantc>
stgraber: ok, i just didn't remember much in the way of changes to screen-session.d stuff, but if it was ubuntu-specific packaging that would make sense
20:37
sutula: reinstall the whole server, or just the chroot?
20:37
<sutula>
It seems to be some problem where the client's kernel didn't tie the USB device into the SCSI subsystem.
20:38
vagrantc: Just the chroot
20:38
What I had done first was an apt-get -u dist-upgrade in the chroot, and that resulted in the broken kernel
20:38
Building the chroot from scratch is what worked
20:39
<vagrantc>
that's too bad. i should do some testing of my own there.
20:39
sutula: from lenny to squeeze?
20:39
sutula: or from squeeze to wheezy?
20:39
<sutula>
squeeze to squeeze...the recent update that included the newer kernel
20:40
<vagrantc>
oh, very strange.
20:40
sutula: maybe running ltsp-update-kernels would have helped... ?
20:40
<sutula>
I see you have a script in the /etc directory that builds the initrd image...perhaps that didn't fire for some reason
20:40
I didn't try ltsp-update-kernels
20:40
<stgraber>
and LTSP 5.3 is uploaded to Ubuntu
20:41
<sutula>
It seemed to be working after the update, except later I saw that there was the kernel problem with USB devices
20:41
<stgraber>
I'll send a nice announcement with stats and everything to the ML once feature freeze is over, still have 2-3 packages to take care of ...
20:41
<vagrantc>
the chroot might have gotten out of sync with the tftp boot dir... that's my best guess ... and then the modules in the chroot might not load
20:41
<sutula>
vagrantc: Yes, that makes sense too
20:41
vagrantc: Thanks for your help yesterday...anyway, just FYI
20:42
<vagrantc>
sutula: although *some* modules that were present in the outdated initramfs would wwork, but further modules wouldn't
20:42
sutula: glad to be helpful when i can! :)
20:42
LTSP needs a documentation overhaul, i think...
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21:35
<stgraber>
sent the announcement
21:35
<||cw>
so Precise will have 5.3?
21:35
or the next one?
21:36
too bad Precise won't run on the eBox 3300's
21:36
<vagrantc>
won't run because... ?
21:36
<||cw>
not sure how to fix that one, it thinks it's a 486
21:37
it's a 1Ghz Vortex86 DX, which is supposed to be 586 class
21:37
<vagrantc>
thought precise dropped support for anything below 686?
21:37
<||cw>
I have a bug open on it
21:37
the error says "found a 486, 586 required", or something like that
21:37
<vagrantc>
should still work on debian
21:38
<||cw>
yeah, but then I'd have to maintain a debian chroot
21:38
<vagrantc>
although i guess debian accidentally defaulted to 586 minimum at some poinnt
21:38
worser things have happened to people :)
21:38
<||cw>
sure
21:38
<vagrantc>
but it kind of breaks the LTSP5 concept to do that, really.
21:38
<||cw>
I only have 2 of them, and neither were being used for thin clients, pending the NIC driver inclusion.
21:39
so, Precise now includes the nic driver, but won't boot for CPU reasons. oh the lols
21:39
<vagrantc>
most unfortunate
21:40
<||cw>
sadly, it seems to mean my best sandwichable vesa mount option is the ebox 4300 which is a lowly via 500Mhz
21:42
<alkisg>
Yey, LTSPROCKS :)
21:43
stgraber: did you nail the plymouth problem?
21:43
<vagrantc>
nailed it enough to upload and release, appraently...
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21:45
<stgraber>
alkisg: yep
21:45
<alkisg>
Cool! vagrantc: I removed the "-fp" from every poweroff/reboot, from ldm too, so I think we'll need a debian bugfix release there at some point?
21:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: cool!
21:46
<alkisg>
At least here, testing with upstart jobs, I got no nbd-server processes and no swap files left after client reboots/shutdowns
21:47
<vagrantc>
nice
21:51
<stgraber>
vagrantc: I guess next LDM upload you can tag 2.2.6, there 3 commits now, so that's plenty enough for a release ;)
21:53
<vagrantc>
heh
21:53
maybe tomorrow
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<alkisg>
stgraber: when will 5.3 be available in the archives? In a few hours?
22:11
<stgraber>
alkisg: according to LP, within the next 30 minutes
22:11
<alkisg>
Ty
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22:26
<alkisg>
After testing 5.3, I'll try to make ltsp-client work when installing it locally on a standalone vbox client, and to implement (out of ltsp-trunk for now as it's a new feature) an "ltsp-export-vdi-image" script, so that people that want to maintain fat chroots can do so graphically, without using ltsp-build-client at all.
22:26
And if they boot the VM and install sshd to it and set LDM_SERVER=<the VM IP> in lts.conf, they'll be able to use the same installation/programs for both thin and fat clients.
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