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Channel log from 29 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:16
<dberkholz>
coolness
00:16
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltsp-1.png
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00:47
<cyberorg>
dberkholz, congratulations!! welcome to the club :)
01:05
<Ryan52>
dberkholz: nice!
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07:49
<minemonics>
when i boot ltsp workstation this stop at:
07:50
rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
07:51
please somebody could help me?
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08:04
<minemonics>
???
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08:14
<laga>
minemonics: it'd help if you mentioned your distro
08:14
also, patience is a virtue ;)
08:17
<minemonics>
laga, i used Debian
08:17
laga, with LTSP 4.2
08:18
<laga>
ah, 4.2. i guess not many people here are still using 4.2, so good luck ;)
08:18
is that a new install?
08:18
<minemonics>
laga, nop
08:19
<laga>
well, what changed? it must have been working at some point
08:20
<minemonics>
laga, is in use for a long time, with a lot of stations, but now 30 statios stop at this problem
08:20
laga, the problem is i not administrator of this lan
08:20
<laga>
then let the admin fix it?
08:21
<minemonics>
laga, the gay go out
08:21
<laga>
what?
08:21
<minemonics>
laga, admin is not more here
08:23
<Blinny>
heh
08:24
Perhaps the server isn't running gdm?
08:24
Or not in the X runlevel
08:25
<minemonics>
Blinny, the server is at runlevel 2 and config use SCREEN_01=rdesktop
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08:57
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:00
<Blinny>
MorniGN!
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09:11
<sbalneav>
Morning Gadi
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09:12
<jammcq>
hey all
09:12
<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
09:13
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:13
didn't even see you lurking there
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09:13
<jammcq>
i'm dragging ass this morning
09:13
<ogra>
jammcq, hey you guys didnt see me standing behind you in line at the security check today :/
09:13
<sbalneav>
In at the office already>
09:13
<jammcq>
today?
09:14
you were behind us?
09:14
sbalneav: yeah
09:14
ogra: what's behind us is of no concern :)
09:14
<ogra>
heh
09:14
<jammcq>
ogra: you back home already?
09:14
<ogra>
yeah
09:14
<jammcq>
wow, those planes are fast
09:14
<ogra>
since some hours
09:14
<sbalneav>
Catch some sleep?
09:14
<jammcq>
no problems with the lufthansa strike ?
09:15
<ogra>
but kept away from the computer to care for susie
09:15
the food was rather cheap ... only the catering went on strike the first day
09:16
<jammcq>
sbalneav: so, you made your flight on time?
09:16
<ogra>
today the ground crews are on ... i was lucky .... might not have gotten my luggage if i had flown today
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09:19
<sbalneav>
jammcq: no problem.
09:19
<jammcq>
yeah, everything was like clockwork
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09:23
<ogra>
sbalneav, no sleep yet and a ton of stuff piled up ... (i wish my brain would function in any kind of way beyond keeping me breathing)
09:26
<sbalneav>
lol
09:27
<jammcq>
ogra: be happy it's at least doing that
09:28
<ogra>
yeah, would be hard to type if it wouldnt i guess :)
09:28
<jammcq>
well, you could do it for a few seconds. but then we wouldn't be able to undeerstand you. it would be sort of like cliebow's typing
09:29
<cliebow>
heh..i deb to biffer
09:29
<jammcq>
see?
09:29
<ogra>
heh
09:41
<stgraber>
ogra: hehe, I hope the lufthansa strike won't continue for too long :) My flight is wednesday next week and I have to take Lufthansa/Swiss for Geneva => Frankfurt ...
09:42
<ogra>
well, it rotates through the different departments
09:45
<minemonics>
jammcq, hi
09:46
jammcq, im in trouble with when boot ltsp workstation this stop at:
09:46
jammcq, rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
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09:54
<sbalneav>
minemonics: Which version of LTSP on what kind of server? (Debian, Redhat, Ubuntu, etc)
09:58
<minemonics>
LTSP 4.2 on Debian
09:59
<sbalneav>
4.2's pretty old. But I'd suspect a problem with nfs. Have you checked to make sure that /opt/ltsp's exported?
09:59
<minemonics>
sbalneav, exportfs show me that is exported
10:00
sbalneav, and i have other stations working good
10:00
<sbalneav>
ok, so this is just one station then that's causing the problem?
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10:02
<sbalneav>
minemonics: This is only one worktation that's having a problem?
10:03
<minemonics>
sbalneav, 30
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10:03
<sbalneav>
ok, I'm confused.
10:03
So, on this server, there are working terminals, or not?
10:04
How many are working, how many are not?
10:04
<minemonics>
sbalneav, are more than 800 terminals working good
10:05
sbalneav, and 30 stop in the same poit of boot
10:05
sbalneav, rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
10:06
<sbalneav>
are these 30 terminals all on one server?
10:07
and are there other terminals that are working on that server?
10:07
<minemonics>
all terminals are in the same ltsp server
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10:07
<sbalneav>
are there working terminals on that server?
10:08
<minemonics>
800 machines working good
10:08
with SCREEN_01=rdesktop
10:09
<sbalneav>
That's not what I'm asking.
10:09
<minemonics>
sbalneav, sorry
10:09
<sbalneav>
I'm asking you, if the machine that has the 30 bad terminals connected to it has some that DO work.
10:10
i.e are ALL the terminals that are connected to that machine not working, or are only SOME not working.
10:10
<minemonics>
some not working
10:10
just this 30 terminals
10:10
<sbalneav>
So, how many terminals are connected to that machine, in total?
10:11
<minemonics>
800
10:11
<sbalneav>
You have 800 terminals being served by 1 machine?
10:13
<cliebow>
holy!!!
10:13
<sbalneav>
minemonics: Do you have 800 terminals being served by one machine?
10:13
<minemonics>
sbalneav, yes
10:14
minemonics, i not config them
10:14
<sbalneav>
I'd say you're probably running into resource problems.
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10:14
<cliebow>
Halloooo Scottie..btw!!
10:14
<sbalneav>
hey cliebow
10:14
<cliebow>
nice to see ya
10:14
<sbalneav>
Nice to see you too.
10:14
<laga>
minemonics: what kind of machine is that server? CPU/RAM?
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10:18
<Gadi>
need coffee
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10:18
<Gadi>
must get coffeeeee
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10:18
<Gadi>
it hurts so good
10:18
<cliebow>
latte
10:18
you right in the city?
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10:20
<minemonics>
sbalneav, the machine is a P4 Ht with 512 of RAM
10:21
<sbalneav>
and you're running 800 terminals off of that?
10:21
<laga>
sbalneav: using rdesktop..
10:21
minemonics: what do the clients display? windows desktops?
10:22
<minemonics>
laga, the clients using rdesktop
10:22
<sbalneav>
laga: so? That's still 800 rdesktop invocations running? Way, WAY too many for 512 megs of ram.
10:22
<minemonics>
sbalneav, i suspect this, but the old sysadmin are crazy or something
10:23
<laga>
sbalneav: oh, i didn't know rdesktop was running on the server.
10:23
<minemonics>
sbalneav, the users tell me the all stations are working good tree days ago
10:27
<sbalneav>
minemonics: Well, I'd check the networking first
10:27
are all of these on the same hub/switch?
10:27
Maybe it needs to be reset.
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10:45
<minemonics>
sbalneav, tks
10:46
sbalneav, i try start another ltsp server for test now
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11:07
<Rixeh>
hmm, ok question all.. does xf86config_file still work for ltsp5? and which dir do you put the custom xorg file in? I cant get my client to use it instead of the auto-generated xorg.conf (using ubuntu 8.04)
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11:10
<Gadi>
Rixeh: it works, but the parameter is deprecated in favor of X_CONF
11:10
so: X_CONF = /etc/X11/myXorg.conf
11:10
would have you place the file in: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/myXorg.conf
11:11
<Rixeh>
awesome, Ill give that a shot. :) Been fighting to get this elo touchscreen going for a few days now
11:11
<Gadi>
we have touchscreen support, too, you know
11:11
(serial only)
11:11
is it serial?
11:12
<Rixeh>
nod Ive got it hooked up to a terminal from disklessworkstations.. its an elo 1715L serial, put the use_touch=y as well as set the device (/dev/ttyS0)
11:12
I can 'cat' the serial device and it gives lots of data, so it works.. but the cursor doesn't move around
11:12
<Gadi>
try: USE_TOUCH = Y
11:12
did you use caps?
11:12
<Rixeh>
USE_TOUCH=Y
11:12
X_TOUCH_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0
11:12
Is what ive got in my lts.conf right now
11:13
<Gadi>
set the XMIN, XMAX< YMIN< YMAX
11:13
X_TOUCH_XMIN ....
11:13
<Rixeh>
oh yes that's in as well, i just didnt paste it here :)
11:13
<Gadi>
hmm...
11:13
<Rixeh>
it's weird, it should just be working yknow?
11:13
<Gadi>
and cursor doesnt move at all?
11:14
<Rixeh>
not at all.. i changed around the xorg a bit (stuff like sendcoreevents) and then it starts to work after reloading X, but then the Y-axis is inverted.. ><
11:14
<Gadi>
does it generate the right entries in xorg.conf on the client?
11:15
ah - maybe the code should be changed in configure-x.sh to reflect your changes
11:15
<Rixeh>
yup! It puts in the section for the touchscreen, so it's reading the lts.conf OK
11:16
<Gadi>
the inverted Y axis, you can fix by reversing Ymax and Ymin
11:16
<Rixeh>
Ahaa, so far so good, let me just alter the axiseeses...
11:16
<Gadi>
sounds like maybe the sendcoreevents is the only issue
11:18
<Rixeh>
Also I dont think this is an ltsp thing, but the latest ubuntu's not reading the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot.. i have to actually change the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and then rebuild the image
11:18
LIke back in 4.1 I assume :)
11:18
<Gadi>
you put it in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
11:19
<Rixeh>
yup, it did work at one point, then one day all the config settings disappeared after an update, so I copied the lts.conf into /opt/ltsp/etc..... and rebuilt, now it takes
11:19
<Gadi>
you shouldnt have to do that
11:20
<Rixeh>
Id have to dig but I think i saw a bug report on the ubuntu forums already for it, not sure if they looked at it yet
11:20
in the meantime im just rebuilding =\
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<gbolte>
w00t
11:57
<dberkholz>
Gadi, johnny2, ogra, sbalneav, warren: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltsp-1.png
11:58
<warren>
dberkholz: cool
11:58
<sbalneav>
Nice
11:59
<warren>
Gadi: any new stuff in your nox branch?
11:59
<dberkholz>
our kernel/initramfs generator is tricky. the unreleased version 4, which i was using before, treated kernel parameters differently.
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<johnny123>
dberkholz: what parameters did you end up?
12:06
i did you have to fix anything?
12:06
<dberkholz>
i attempted to post my setup to the ltsp-dev list but my post hasn't shown up in the past 10 hours
12:06
go sourceforge
12:06
<johnny123>
both in the initramfs or my stuff? or did my stuff just work?
12:06
<dberkholz>
05:11 < dberkholz+> agaffney: got it. if genkernel detects ip= boot param, it doesn't fire off udhcp and assumes the kernel did dhcp even if it actually didn't
12:07
<cyberorg>
dberkholz, i think i saw it
12:07
<dberkholz>
it's not in my mailbox and not in the archive
12:09
johnny123: the real kicker here is that genkernel4 does it differently, so i didn't suspect that this could be the problem
12:10
<johnny123>
so, once you resolved that, anything else needed changed?
12:10
<cyberorg>
dberkholz, its in ltsp-discuss
12:10
<dberkholz>
oh christ.
12:10
ogra: stop crossposting, you made me mess up =P
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<dberkholz>
thanks for digging that up, cyberorg
12:12
<cyberorg>
dberkholz, i guess -discuss has more audience and include everyone on -developer list anyway
12:12
<dberkholz>
i attempted to bounce it over
12:12* johnny123 == happy
12:13
<dberkholz>
awesome, now it's on ltsp-dev and it replies to ltsp-discuss. go mutt.
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12:19
<Rixeh>
Woot! OK thanks to gadi I've almost got this touchscreen working :) Only thing is the y axis won't invert, if i swap minY and maxY it just makes the cursor more sensitive O.o Could this be a driver problem with elographics?
12:28
<Gadi>
warren: sorry - was getting sustenance - I think I have some minor edits to my -nox branch that you can test
12:29
Rixeh: iirc, some elographics screens can be inverted by going into the screen's firmware
12:29
there is like some bootup utility or some such
12:29
(it's been a while)
12:29
<cliebow>
too long
12:29
<Gadi>
btw: are you sure it is y-axis inversion?
12:29
(I have seen x-axis inversion more often)
12:30
iirc - I had a 1747L
12:30
<johnny123>
so Gadi made it home
12:31
poor ogra is gonna have a rough time
12:31
<Gadi>
indeed - but there is a midget inside my head playing with knick-knack on my temples
12:31
<johnny123>
ouch
12:31
<Gadi>
s/playing with/playing
12:34
<johnny123>
i'm still in lovely portlant
12:34
portland*
12:35
until tomorrow
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12:39
<Gadi>
warren - I just pushed my minor -nox branch changes
12:39
I need to set up a proper test env, so I am not coding as blindly
12:39
:)
12:43
<Rixeh>
gadi you're a genius ;)
12:43
<Gadi>
eh?
12:43
<Rixeh>
just reading up on changing the monitor firmware but i think this'll work
12:43
<Gadi>
I mean - I'm too tired to argue the point...
12:43
:)
12:43
<Rixeh>
haha
12:43
<Gadi>
which this is this?
12:46
<Rixeh>
oh the axis inverting, im still reading but it appears that you can connect to the firmware through the serial port and then alter it, we'll see :)
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12:53
<Gadi>
so, here's my clouded-mind question of the day:
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12:54
<cliebow>
we wait with baited breath
12:54
<Gadi>
If firefox purportedly has issues running on a filesystem that lacks statfs calls - why does it work on a liveCD?
12:55
if you have an answer, you get a gold star - and need to tell me when I wake up
12:55
:)
12:55
<cliebow>
hmmmm'
12:55
<Blinny>
The key word in this riddle is 'purportedly'
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13:25
<Ryan52>
Gadi: why would a live cd not have statfs?
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13:51
<The_Code>
easy-ltsp gsoc project is ready for all to test it
13:51
you can get source package for opensuse at : http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4-opensuse.tar.gz
13:52
other distros source package is here: http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4-other.tar.gz
13:52
please give it a try and report bugs or enhancements to: http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm guessing you made it across the puddle?
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<Gadi>
morning - again
14:37
Ryan52: man liveCDs will use a tmpfs
14:37* Gadi waves to vagrantc
14:39
<Gadi>
*many
14:39
grr\
14:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey, guys. I'm trying to boot an etherboot client with Fedora 9. It's giving me the following error: /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image. unable to load file <sleep>
14:45
Am I missing something for etherboot? PXE seems to be working fine
14:47
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: What arch is your server/client?
14:48
You probably want to make sure you didn't build a ia64 client what what you want is ia32
14:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
client is a TK-3370/1G
14:48
Fedora 9, i386
14:48
it's Etherboot 5.0.10
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<sbalneav>
Not sure. I haven't used etherboot for a long long time. I just use PXE now.
14:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I'll keep looking
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: Fedora 9 LTSP doesn't automaticaly generate the non-PXE kernel images yet
14:53
_UsUrPeR_: You're the first to complain about this actually
14:54
_UsUrPeR_: yum install mkelfimage and try wrapping it yourself in /var/lib/tftpboot/i386
14:54
_UsUrPeR_: we fixed mkelfimage for this but not using it yet
14:54
Gadi: does the 901 have passive cooling or a fan?
14:54
<johnny123>
warren is alive!
14:55
<warren>
Gadi: 6 cell battery is the larger one?
14:59
<sbalneav>
warren: What laptop did you have?
14:59
<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: most recent versions of etherboot support PXE emulation and should work with PXE ... maybe try upgrading your etherboot.
14:59
<sbalneav>
It was a thinkpad, yes?
14:59
<warren>
sbalneav: huh? I'm asking Gadi about the Asus EEEPC 901 that he ordered
14:59* vagrantc waves to gadi
14:59
<warren>
sbalneav: I have a Thinkpad T60 widescreen
14:59
monsterously huge
14:59
vagrantc: it supports PXE emulation only if your BIOS supports it. coreboot BIOS doesn't, for example.
15:00
<sbalneav>
Does it support the vmx processor extentions? i.e. will it do kvm?
15:00
<warren>
sbalneav: yes
15:00
<sbalneav>
Hmmmm
15:00
<warren>
sbalneav: if you're looking for hardware virt, first look at the processor specs
15:00
sbalneav: then make sure you don't buy a retarded brand of laptop
15:00
sbalneav: (HP, Compaq, Toshiba, etc.)
15:00
<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, i guess there are some that don't support it at all. but most systems have a BIOS.
15:01
<warren>
I haven't seen any Dell or Lenovo with hardware virt capable that wasn't fixable with a BIOS update.
15:01
<sbalneav>
If I do buy another, A lenovo one seems to be the way to go, these days.
15:01
<johnny123>
vagrantc: sup?
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<vagrantc>
johnny123: back to work at freegeek after a long weekend at... freegeek.
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<epoxy|w3rk>
i need to compile a kernel module for fglrx.. the server is running 2.6.24 and the ltsp client is running 2.6.18.. uname -a only reveals 2.6.18 when I am in the (read only) terminal of the client.
15:04
<warren>
sbalneav: if you can afford one, Lenovo Thinkpad X300 is the best possible.
15:05
sbalneav: although I would wait a few months, maybe they'll have bigger or cheaper SSD options then. Flash really came down in price and up in size since the X300 was released.
15:05
<Gadi>
warren: I think its coming in tomorrow (the eeepc) - but, yeah 6 cell batt (not sure about cooling fan)
15:05
but, remember, warren - you don't need it :)
15:05
<warren>
Gadi: Yes, entirely out of curiosity. =)
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<Gadi>
sure...
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;)
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<Gadi>
etyack_: !!!!
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<etyack_>
Gadi!! nice picture
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<Gadi>
where? where?
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<etyack_>
ltsp hackfest
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<Gadi>
ooh - i didnt see pics
15:08
send me a link and Ill gimp you in ;)
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<etyack_>
mr tagomi's blog
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<Gadi>
warren: u blogging again?
15:09* Gadi watches what he says
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<etyack_>
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/26811.html
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<warren>
Gadi: yes
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etyack_: Erick?
15:09
<etyack_>
yep hi warren
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<Gadi>
gah - talk about a motley crew
15:10
<warren>
etyack_: Hi. Just wanted to give a bit of friendly advice. You REALLY need to get an atom-based thin client to market ASAP. It will be very difficult for anything to compete with Atom in price and performance.
15:10
<etyack_>
i expect some samples in late August
15:10
<warren>
etyack_: a standard configuration of Atom processor + Intel 945 video makes it a killer powerful machine even for diskless workstation use.
15:11
ok
15:11
<etyack_>
where are you finding competitive price points?
15:11* warren finds url...
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<warren>
etyack_: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T7Atom.html
15:11
etyack_: Atom-based thin client for 164 euros
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etyack_: heat pipe fanless cooling
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etyack_: now I haven't tested this particular model, but if it works with its written specs it would be AWESOME.
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<etyack_>
i've looked at those. but our cost of ~ $261 is steep
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<Gadi>
UK£ 164.00 = 321.85 U.S. dollars
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<etyack_>
oops converted euros
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<warren>
etyack_: priv msg
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etyack_: I have no idea who their manufacturer is, but might be worthwhile looking into
15:17
Gadi: and yes, I'm currently writing up a full report about the hackfest
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<Gadi>
warren: u know, u misspelled my name - and where is Sunday's blog? That was the best day of the 3!
15:17
heh
15:17
<warren>
Gadi: how do you spell your name?
15:17
<Gadi>
Gideon
15:17
not Gideom
15:17
but, you can just call me Gadi
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;)
15:17
<warren>
oops
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<Gadi>
just making sure those google searches pick me up
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:)
15:18
ah, 21st century celebrity
15:20
<warren>
we still have to write that Gideon_Romm wikipedia page
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<Gadi>
heh
15:22
hey - where's ogra in the pic?
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was this when he was "in the bathroom"?
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<RMSELTech>
Can anyone tell me why sound is coming out of the internal speakers? I have just configured a "new" terminal I have never used before. Someone donated a bunch of IBM desktops. I have never encountered this before. Thanks for any help.
15:25
<gbolte>
my guess is that its because the internal speaker is wired to the sound card ;)
15:25
looool
15:26
<RMSELTech>
Oh, is that not normally done?
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<japerry>
RMSELTech: you must not be a system builder ;-)
15:27
the PC speaker is usually wired to a 4 pin (actually only uses two pins) on the motherboard labeled 'speaker'
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<RMSELTech>
No, just a volunteer at a school. Been using k12ltsp for 6 years now, I open em up and fix em, but really never ran into this! I have had a lot of different donations.
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<japerry>
some proprietary motherboards such as compaq, apple, ibm, and others have a port on the motherboard for the PC speaker, but its also wired into the onboard sound. The only motherboards that I know do that still today are Mac Pros, that and laptops
15:31
<warren>
Gadi: yeah, no ogra, I should ahve took a picture later in that day.
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<RMSELTech>
Thanks, I honestly haven't even opened these up yet. Just got them in and of course need to use them as soon as possible. Thanks.
15:39
Yup. I found it. Is there any reason I shouldn't disconnect it? I googled a little bit on it and there was something about recompiling some portion of the sound. So that the internal speaker would not be used for applications?
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<jcastro>
RMSELTech: I would just disconnect them, they're annoying
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<etyack_>
sbalneav: hey! did the snow melt yet!
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<jammcq>
etyack_: hey
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!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <sbalneav> If I do buy another, A lenovo one seems to be the way to go, these days.
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<etyack_>
jammcq: hey
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<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <ogra> well, it rotates through the different departments
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16:24* warren orders an EEEPC 901
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<warren>
I know, I have no self-control.
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<warren>
hmm, do I want white or black
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<warren>
johnny2: ping
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<warren>
dberkholz: ping
17:56
Anyone know johnny's last name?
17:56
for the report
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<vagrantc>
i think it's on the wiki
18:11
warren: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
18:11
<warren>
which ryan was Ryan52?
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<vagrantc>
niebur
18:12
warren: i really would like to extend a big thanks for keeping such good notes all weekend!
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it's all too easy to just get caught up in hacking and forget what all we did ...
18:13
<warren>
Ryan Niebur "of Debian"?
18:13
of any org?
18:14* vagrantc hopes to get him on the pkg-ltsp team for debian :)
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<Ryan52>
warren: I dunno...
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<warren>
I'm just putting you down as "of Debian"
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as a strong hint
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to Debian
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<Ryan52>
okay, sure :)
18:22
<warren>
ok
18:22
you still there?
18:22
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27023.html
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please look this over for corrections
18:22
I tried to include everything
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except action items
18:23
I'll do another post later with a full summary of action items
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this post is meant to be more of a press release type of thing.
18:23
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: when you get a chance, log into alioth and see if you are in the ltsp groups
18:24
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: I am.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: both pkg-ltsp and scm_pkg-ltsp ?
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<jammcq>
warren: very nice
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<vagrantc>
warren: the redhat money actually ended up funding 2-3 meals, depending how you count it :)
18:29
<warren>
vagrantc: not important to go into that level of detail
18:30
I gotta go real soon, so please let me know if you see any corrrections or something obvious to add
18:30
i'm submitting this to various news sites
18:32
<jammcq>
warren, type in the 'Ubuntu intrepid uploaded' section
18:33
'new upstrea code'
18:33
<warren>
ok
18:33
like this?
18:33
<jammcq>
on my name should have the 'Q' capitalized
18:33
McQuillan
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it's a wikiword :)
18:34
<warren>
ok
18:34
I might as well link your company there as well
18:34
sorry I'm not linking ltsp.org... it in my mind has a lot of problems, it causes more confusion than it solves
18:35
I intend to work on ltsp.org content soon
18:35
<jammcq>
sure
18:36
<warren>
The distro-specific parts of LTSP are so improtant now
18:36
and it JUST WORKS if you follow each distro's instructions
18:36
so we would be better off erasing almost everything upstream and pointing to the distro's own pages.
18:36
ltsp.org should contain a lot less, but important stuff
18:37
like event planning, fund raising for those events, and links to common issues and plans.
18:37
<jammcq>
I agree
18:40
<gbolte>
warren, yeah the last time I went to the site it looked pretty outdated
18:40
:)
18:41* gbolte goes to see it again
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<warren>
If you see obviously confusing or wrong things, JUST DELETE IT for now
18:41
we have to build it all up from scratch almost
18:42
<gbolte>
agreed...new site layout might help too :)
18:42
<warren>
IMHO, I really don't like the twiki engine...
18:42
<gbolte>
na
18:42
it needs to get replaced with something that better integrates with the site
18:42
<warren>
does launchpad have a wiki?
18:42
for projects
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<gbolte>
not sure
18:44
hmm looks like no
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<vagrantc>
warren: what about moving the whole site to oldwiki.ltsp.org or something like that?
18:45
<warren>
vagrantc: sure, but we need a good engine for the new site.
18:45
I would be plenty happy with mediawiki
18:45
Fedora would even be able to host it, without any fedora branding visible.
18:46* vagrantc is an ikiwiki lover
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<jammcq>
the server we have was donated by AMD. it's a nice fast box and we've got good bandwidth. we can put anything we want on it
18:46
<vagrantc>
i really like having the ability to just commit via a real vcs
18:46
<warren>
jammcq: oh ok.
18:47
does launchpad allow the ability for 3rd party stuff to auth against it?
18:47
or does launchpad support openid?
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(fedora does)
18:47* vagrantc notes that ikiwiki can support openid
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<warren>
It would be nice if we could tell ltsp.org wiki to allow openid authentication from launchpad or fedora
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but somehow I doubt launchpad would do it
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because why would you want to use anything other than launchpad
18:48
=)
18:48
<vagrantc>
heh
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<warren>
I'm going to the gym, then back in ~30 minutes to pack up and go home.
18:49
let me know here if you have any more corrections or obvious things to report
18:49
(that happened)
18:49
I'll send it to various news sites when I get back
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<johnny>
warren: THANK YOU very much for the note taking, they are very good
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oh.. one note about my involvement, I am not of gentoo
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i am not an official developer of any sort
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just a long time user
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
20:54
Hey jammcq
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<johnny2>
scotty has returned
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am i the only one left in fair portland?
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other than vagrantc himself
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<jammcq>
johnny2: you still in portland?
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<johnny2>
until tomorrow
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<jammcq>
wow
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<johnny2>
uggh
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wifi ! :(
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<Ryan52>
johnny2: how are you always connecting from that same hostname?
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oh, right, jabber...nevermind!
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<johnny2>
ok.. back inside.. hopefully it is more stable in here
21:14
Ryan52, i'm using the irc transport on my jabber server, just like i do with AIM
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and soon.. my client will be able to connect via HTTP.. which means very few firewalls will be able to block me :)
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<petre>
evening all
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<sbalneav>
Evening
21:37
<petre>
Scoot Beavens! ;-) Been a long time.
21:38
<sbalneav>
Yep!
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<petre>
So, is LTSP-by-the-sea going to be Oct. 23 or 30?
21:39
I just read Warren's summary, but two different dates were mentioned
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Warren's summary of the latest hackfest, that is
21:40
in which he alluded to the next hackfest in Maine in Oct.
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<sbalneav>
Not sure at this point.
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<jammcq>
yeah, it's looking like Oct 30 will be it
21:41
<petre>
hey jammcq!
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<jammcq>
there's a conflict with oct 23 for ogra
21:41
hey petre
21:42
<petre>
I'm planning to go to ltsp-b-t-s
21:42
saving my pennies for airfare
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so is Oct. 30 pretty solid?
21:44
<jammcq>
no
21:45
we need to talk to the motel guy
21:45
<petre>
have you always been at the same motel there?
21:45
<jammcq>
well, each time we've gone there, yes. it's only been twice
21:45
<petre>
oh, I thought it was thrice
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<jammcq>
well, the first btw was only me, eHarrison, cliebow and dtrask
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and it was only for an afternoon
21:46
<petre>
yes, I remember the pictures; I was jealous
21:47
cliebow's parrots
21:48
wasn't there going to be another, but then mark shuttleworth had you all come to Montreal or some such?
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<jammcq>
yep
21:49
that was 2005 I think
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<petre>
what is statvfs? Why is it significant?
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<jammcq>
it's the whole reason why we had to write ltspfs
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sshfs is a great remote filesystem, but doesn't support statfs, which is needed for things like seeing how much freespace exists on a filesystem
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<petre>
oh, so if ssh includes it, that means it can be used in sshfs?
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<jammcq>
but now, statvfs is supported, so it *might* take care of that problem for us, which means we can use sshfs for mounting user home directories
22:00
sshfs needs to be updated to use statvfs
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<warren>
jammcq: somehow sshfs already had it
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jammcq: and it even seems to work well enough for the stat command and firefox.
22:39
wow. I somehow returned from Portland WAY better at guitar than when I went there.
22:39
I kind of like Eric's lifestyle.
22:39
work your ass off, then go home and play guitar until you pass out.
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<warren>
all of the guitar exercises in my boring book are easier now
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<dberkholz>
warren: pong if you still need me
22:40
<warren>
dberkholz: nm, I only wanted johnny's last name, which I got.
22:40
<dberkholz>
warren: btw, mind if i heavily quote your post for lwn? may or may not happen
22:41
<warren>
dberkholz: for lwn? I was just about to send the entire thing to lwn as news.
22:41
<dberkholz>
warren: yeah, i've been planning on an oscon writeup, and can pretty easily tie this in.
22:41
<warren>
dberkholz: sure, include stuff
22:41
<dberkholz>
warren: were you planning on actually publishing an article for them or just getting linkage?
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if you wanted to do an article, i'd be happy to hold off
22:42
<warren>
dberkholz: just getting linkage for this news, which sometimes does.
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<dberkholz>
warren: ah, ok. ... hmm... lemme think for a min and take my dog out.
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<warren>
I gotta sleep now.
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<warren>
I suppose I should give in to the whining on ltsp-developer about his news being excluded..
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news that he didn't tell anyone
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but
23:06
I'm sleeping.
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<cyberorg>
warren, sorry that you missed all the posts on ltsp-discuss
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and the discussions here
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and yes stop being a jerk and not call something you overlooked as "whining"
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<jammcq>
cyberorg: hey
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<cyberorg>
jammcq, hi :)
23:21
<jammcq>
during our hackfest, I announced the plan for an event in brazil next summer
23:21
someone mentioned that you might be the likely opensuse person who could join us
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i'm thinking that would be great, if you can make it
23:22
<cyberorg>
jammcq, yeah, read the full report, unfortunately novell wont pay my passage :(
23:22
<johnny2>
yeah.. gentoo is gonna pay mine
23:22* johnny2 LOL
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<jammcq>
heh
23:22
<johnny2>
so.. i guess it's the carwash after all
23:22
<jammcq>
well, I have no idea what kind of funding we might be able to find
23:23
<cyberorg>
jammcq, also me being a non-developer dont know how much of value my participation would be
23:23
<dberkholz>
johnny2: much to my regret, gentoo doesn't have the kind of income needed to pay for anyone's travel
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we couldn't afford our own hosting if it weren't donated
23:25
<johnny2>
yes.. thus the LOL
23:25
<cyberorg>
johnny2, well exchange rates here is INR 45 ~ USD1, would be way beyond what i can afford :)
23:28
jammcq, i'd be giving a talk at http://mukt.in, about our work on 3 Aug
23:29
http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/28/kiwi-ltsp-at-muktin/
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<johnny2>
go go community sponsored distros
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<btil>
hello all...
23:39
anyone on?
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