IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 25 June 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<stevenjd13>
Thanks and cya I'll tell you how I go
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<r00t1>
hi all
04:54
<alkisg>
hi
04:54
OK, I've found a way to install gpxe to windows PCs that doesn't involve command line usage:
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(1) http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
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(2) Download and run the debian installer, debian.exe
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(3) Select "advanced" mode, and in the URL where the linux kernel is to be downloaded, enter a path that contains the files "linux" (=the gpxe.krn) and "initrd.gz" (=an empty file). I've put such files in http://users.sch.gr/alkisg, so you can enter this URL for test purposes.
04:54
(4) That's all, in the next reboot it'll be there on the windows boot manager :)
04:54
<r00t1>
looking for info about gizmo or ekiga work with ltsp fedora 10 ?
04:56
this is doenst work
04:59
!help
04:59
<ltspbot>
r00t1: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
04:59
<r00t1>
!help ekiga
04:59
<ltspbot>
r00t1: Error: There is no command "ekiga".
04:59
<r00t1>
!help gizmo
04:59
<ltspbot>
r00t1: Error: There is no command "gizmo".
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<r00t1>
!help gizmo5
04:59
<ltspbot>
r00t1: Error: There is no command "gizmo5".
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05:00* r00t1 trying search logs
05:10
<r00t1>
i have error to install ekiga inside ltsplocalapps. this error with depences
05:12
try use this help http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#Ekiga_SIP_Phone_Run_via_Localapp
05:17
anybody can help me ?
05:17
<ogra>
the instructions should work fine on ubuntu, no idea about fedora
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<r00t1>
ogra difference only in apt-get -y install ekiga
05:19
i use rpm -i
05:20
<ogra>
well, rpm cant resolve dependencies
05:20
<r00t1>
i found same conversation in the logs, http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20080708_pg11.html
05:20
<ogra>
you likely need an equivalent to apt instead of using one of dpkg
05:20
<r00t1>
this is same problem. but i try tips from log, it doesnt work for me
05:21
ogra if i use yum install ekiga, chroot nothing to show
05:21
<ogra>
you need to chroot first asnd run yum *inside* the chroot
05:22
sorry, but i have no clue about fedora
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<r00t1>
yes i try to use yum in chroot
05:23
and silence after yum
05:23
<ogra>
if you are lucky, warren might come by, he drops in here every few weeks, he does the fedora port
05:23
<r00t1>
no errors, no logs
05:23
warren this is nickname ?
05:24
<ogra>
yes
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but he doesnt come often anymore
05:27
you will easier find ubuntu, debian, gentoo or kiwi-ltsp help here ... or with luck other fedora users might come by
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<r00t1>
trying to find answer :)
05:30
its work
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there is no nsserver setted up in chroot
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now i try to use yum
05:33
32MB for download. this is libs will upload to client machine on boot ?
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or this is server based files
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06:08
<alkisg>
ogra, could you shed some light here please? Isn't there any way for a script that ran with "sudo" to change the user's gconf settings?
06:08
(1) sudo sh
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(2) su -c 'gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/simple-ubuntu.jpg' $SUDO_USER
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==> gconftool doesn't change the setting but also it doesn't display any error messages... :(
06:08
<ogra>
sure, because it changed the value properly
06:09
just not for the user you expect ;)
06:09
<alkisg>
Ah, it changed the root value? Why so?
06:09
(I _did_ put $SUDO_USER there)
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<ogra>
did you just try: sudo -u $SUDO_USER gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/simple-ubuntu.jpg
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06:10
<alkisg>
Yup, I also tried sudo and gksu to no avail... ;(
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(while inside the script that ran with sudo)
06:11
<ogra>
and i think your su call is in the wrong order
06:11
<alkisg>
No, I think it's the opposite of sudo
06:11
I.e. su -c command LOGIN
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but sudo -u LOGIN command
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I think it can't contact the gconf daemon because of the `sudo` that happened
06:13
<ogra>
is for the user you try to change stuff a session running ?
06:13
<alkisg>
Yes
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<ogra>
well, i think gconfd talks through dbus nowadays
06:14
you would have to talk to the users session bus
06:14
<alkisg>
If I put "xterm" instead of "gconftool" there, it displays just fine and runs as the user. *But* if I run gconftool from inside this xterm, it doesn't work.
06:14
How can I talk to the user dbus?
06:14
<ogra>
which is quite tricky to achieve
06:14
<alkisg>
(or maintain the "connection" while calling a script with sudo?)
06:14
<ogra>
becuase it only allowa access from within the running session
06:15
run env as the user and try to get the value of DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
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then try to export that before the gconftool run
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not sure that works though
06:16
<alkisg>
You're a genius :)
06:16
I think I owe you about a dozens of beers so far...
06:17
Thank you thank you thank you :)
06:22
<r00t1>
i have installed ekiga as localapps
06:22
Ekiga got an invalid value for the configuration key "/apps/ekiga/general/gconf_test_age".
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and crash
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bad :)
06:24
<alkisg>
r00t1: AFAIK you shouldn't be running apps that depend on gconf as localapps
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I think that skype runs fine as a localapp, though
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<r00t1>
i don't wanna use skype
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i look for opensource app
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<alkisg>
r00t1: ok, I think you need to find and opensource app that doesn't depend on gconfd. At least until the dbus handling is taken care of in ltsp.
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<r00t1>
and that app must be in fedora repositories
06:39
will work app for KDE on gnome ?
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07:24
<tarzeau>
someone in here gave me a hint for lts.conf how to add lines like this in the ltsp client xorg.conf:
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Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
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Option "SendCoreEvents" "false"
07:25
is that person still here? can you give me the hint again? because i forgot where i put the lines you gave me...
07:29
<alkisg>
tarzeau: see the logs, it was Gadi
07:29
<rjune_wrk>
ogra, ogra__: please tell me you're around
07:29
<alkisg>
(06:22:42 μμ) Gadi: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "\"AccelMethod\" \"XAA\""
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<tarzeau>
alkisg: ah thanks. my log only go back 1,5 days. but good idea i didn't check
07:32
<alkisg>
tarzeau: there's a link to the web logs on the channel topic
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<tarzeau>
alkisg: oops :) thank you
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08:47
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<rjune_wrk>
!s
08:48
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning rjune_wrk
08:51
From sunny Brazil
08:51
<rjune_wrk>
Ooooo
08:52
nice
08:52
<Lumiere>
hi sbalneav, rjune_wrk
08:54
<sbalneav>
Hey Lumiere
08:54
<erieslabnx>
you know how when you boot in you get the little mouse pointer icon.... I get that, but on one machine the screen remains black with that pointer forever. The mouse will move the icon but it seems to not load into the server, any guesses what this could be? It only does it on one client.
08:56
hey sbalneav, any progress on Sayabon for Jaunty?
08:58
<Gadi>
erieslabnx: check the user's ~/.xsession-errors
08:58
it should tell you
08:59* Gadi guesses compiz
08:59
<erieslabnx>
if compiz runs on the server and the client is obviously a much lower powered machine could that cause similar issues?
08:59
Would compiz automatically try to run on all clients if it runs on the sexy server?
09:00
<Gadi>
it may
09:00
the compiz wrapper script has checks that don't make sense in an LTSP environment
09:01
on the server, try: sudo mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.bak
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and log in again
09:01
one of its silly checks is to check the server xorg log file for compiz coapability
09:02
*capability
09:03
<erieslabnx>
ok really funny question... I am logged into the server through my laptop, can I do this sort of stuff remotely or should I go back to my office?
09:04
<Gadi>
remotely is fine
09:04
<erieslabnx>
missing destination file operand after `/var/log/Xorg.0.log.bak'
09:05
<Gadi>
?
09:05
<erieslabnx>
LOL What I need to do is hire an IT guy lol
09:05
oops I only typed half your command
09:06
<sbalneav>
erieslabnx: There's sabayon packages in my PPA
09:06
gime 'em a try
09:06
<erieslabnx>
when you say log back in you mean from the client or reboot the server?
09:06
I will do sbalneav I am very eager to utilize it
09:06
<Gadi>
client
09:06
dont reboot the server
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as the change you just made is only temporary
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<erieslabnx>
k
09:07
<Gadi>
to see if compiz is the problem
09:08
<erieslabnx>
logging in, or trying
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<erieslabnx>
ya same issue... the frustrating thing is all other clients log in in about 4 seconds, this one doesn't go all the way in ever
09:10
<Gadi>
have you checked the user's ~/.xsession-errors?
09:10
<erieslabnx>
don't know where to find it
09:10
I am very new :P
09:10
<Gadi>
what is the username of the person logging in?
09:11
<erieslabnx>
I have no business even attempting this, username is just bill
09:11
<Gadi>
sudo tail -100 ~bill/.xsession-errors
09:12
copy/paste that to pastebot
09:12
!pastebot
09:12
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:12
<erieslabnx>
not happening lol
09:12
tail: cannot open `/home/bill2/.xsession-errors' for reading: No such file or directory
09:13
<Gadi>
interesting - his username is bill, but his homedir is bill2?
09:13
<rjune_wrk>
Ooo Ooo OOO
09:13
<erieslabnx>
I think this may be a user I tried to 'recreate' after sabayon jacked my user accounts
09:13* rjune_wrk raises his hand, I KNOW I KNOW
09:13
<erieslabnx>
I will try to login as another user, it may be account related
09:13* Gadi nods
09:13* Gadi waves to rjune_wrk
09:14
<erieslabnx>
I honestly didn't realize this until I seen the 2
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but the user jumps onto another client and logs in as just bill
09:14
seems odd
09:14
<Gadi>
erieslabnx: its always the little things, aint it?
09:14
<rjune_wrk>
You need to change the home directory to /home/bill and make sure /home/bill exists and is owned by bill
09:14
<erieslabnx>
:) Gadi
09:14
<Lumiere>
lol
09:15
if /home/bill is actually his homedir
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chown -R bill:bill /home/bill
09:15
<erieslabnx>
it is a sad situation when the basic things confuse me
09:15
<Lumiere>
then edit /etc/passwd to make his homedir correct
09:16
erieslabnx: this is not really basic :)
09:16
<Gadi>
erieslabnx: not sad - every problem boils down to something basic
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<erieslabnx>
ok!
09:16
good
09:16
I logged in as a different user
09:16
works
09:16
so it is account related'
09:16
<Gadi>
excellent
09:16
<erieslabnx>
?
09:16
<Gadi>
yup
09:16
kill bill!
09:16
<Lumiere>
erieslabnx: it was some piece of account creation blowing up :)
09:16
<erieslabnx>
How do I completely kill him?
09:16
100%?
09:16
<Lumiere>
Gadi: lol no... Kill Bill 2!
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<Gadi>
(as if you guys havent been dying to use the movie reference)
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<Lumiere>
erieslabnx: if you're trying to totally remove him, remove his homedirs and clear him from passwd, shadow, and group is about it
09:17
(I don't think I missed anything, and yes Gadi urge to abuse movie reference was rising)
09:17
<erieslabnx>
Linux... never just a single click
09:18
never a click at all
09:18
alway terminal
09:18
<Lumiere>
I am sure you can do it without terminal
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<Gadi>
erieslabnx: you can do it in Users and Groups
09:18
<Lumiere>
most of us are terminal junkies
09:18
<Gadi>
just delete the user
09:18
<Lumiere>
it's what we know and can use easily
09:18
(for example... this IRC session is in a terminal)
09:18
<erieslabnx>
I think my Users and Groups thing is still jacked from Sabayon ;)
09:18
When i create a user it creates a group right?
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<Lumiere>
yes
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<erieslabnx>
I have to remove both the user and the group?
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<Lumiere>
you don't have to remove the group... but it is cleaner
09:19
<erieslabnx>
ok
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<Gadi>
I think deluser will take care of all that
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: I think so... it just doesn't take care of home dir usually
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<erieslabnx>
Gadi that is where Sabayon messed me up, it did not do that exactly
09:20
<Gadi>
deluser --remove-home
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:)
09:20
<Lumiere>
Gadi: lol
09:20
<erieslabnx>
it may on clean nix, but after Sabayon is when I had to start manually removing the groups I think
09:20
thank you all :)
09:20
you helped a load today
09:23
I will one day get good at this!! :)
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<erieslabnx>
SQUASHFS error unable to read fragment cache block, nbd-client: Input/output error.... thousands of errors during login via tsp client. Screen has been flodding for 3-4 minutes... Would this be memory errors?
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<erieslabnx>
nvm it was memory problem
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<ErwinJ>
Hello everyone, I am trying to use LTSP on an Ubuntu 9.04 machine. I have installed it on top of my already running desktop system (using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, i.e. I ran "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server" and "sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386"). My desktop machine is 64-bit with 64 bit Jaunty and the thin client is 32-bit. It boot succesfully from the network and shows a pretty logi
10:31
Oh, I forgot to say: The login window is functional (i.e. everything is the right way up)
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<erieslabnx>
is there any way to login to my server with the xdmcp options from my laptop windowed inside my laptops primary ubuntu OS?
10:40
VNC sucks
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<treyh222>
Gadi, good morning, let me know when you come around
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<ErwinJ>
Anyone?
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<erieslabnx>
lingering
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<erieslabnx>
but I am of no help for much
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<ErwinJ>
Well, I asked this question just before you entered the room:
10:54
(05:30:27 PM) ErwinJ: Hello everyone, I am trying to use LTSP on an Ubuntu 9.04 machine. I have installed it on top of my already running desktop system (using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, i.e. I ran "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server" and "sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386"). My desktop machine is 64-bit with 64 bit Jaunty and the thin client is 32-bit. It boot succesfully from the network a
10:54
(05:31:35 PM) ErwinJ: Oh, I forgot to say: The login window is functional (i.e. everything is the right way up)
10:54
Any idea?
10:55
:)
10:55
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, so what is the problem?
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<ErwinJ>
Hi :) Well, reading stuff which is mirrored is kind of hard
10:56
As I said in the question: "However, after logging in, all the text and pictures are upside down. It looks as if they are mirrored in the horizontal plane."
10:57
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, fun lol i remember us talking about this, just a second.
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<ErwinJ>
Also the window decorations are garbled.
10:58
<treyh222>
not sure if thats an X or video driver problem
10:58
did you try using the vesa driver?
11:00
ErwinJ, try this, worth a shot: xrandr -o normal
11:00
<alkisg>
ErwinJ: is that intel graphics?
11:00
<treyh222>
alkisg, on the client, try xrandr -o normal
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<alkisg>
me?
11:01
:)
11:01
<ErwinJ>
Yes, the client uses intel graphics
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<treyh222>
alkisg, sorry lol
11:01
ErwinJ, try this on the client: xrandr -o normal
11:02
<ErwinJ>
Ok, I'll boot it again. Does that require a sudo or not? Since I'm kind of typing blind here :)
11:02
<treyh222>
go with sudo
11:03
<ErwinJ>
It works awesome btw (except for the graphics thing)
11:03
<treyh222>
awesome
11:04
<ErwinJ>
Was really painless, just configure dhcp3, plug in the cable and boot
11:04
<treyh222>
so the window decorations are still grabled?
11:04
<ErwinJ>
was still booting :)
11:04
I'll check now
11:05
The screen flickered for a moment and nothing changed
11:05
<treyh222>
so still upside down?
11:05
<ErwinJ>
Yes
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<treyh222>
ok now on the client, try that command
11:05
xrandr -o normal
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<ErwinJ>
Just to be clear, it is not the entire screen that is upside down
11:05
<treyh222>
sudo xrandr -o normal
11:06
what?
11:06
<ErwinJ>
I typed it on the client
11:06
Just the text and pictures are upside down
11:06
So for instance the top panel is at the top
11:06
But "Applications" is shown upside down
11:06
<treyh222>
ok when you tried that on the client the screen just flickered?
11:06
<ErwinJ>
Yes
11:07
I have a screenshot if that helps?
11:07
<treyh222>
no
11:07
let try some other commands
11:07
<ErwinJ>
Ok
11:07
<treyh222>
sudo xrandr -o left
11:07
what happens
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<ErwinJ>
screen goes black and the gets oriented 90 degrees counterclockwise
11:08
Text still upside down
11:08
Window decorations still garbled
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<ErwinJ>
(It works without sudo btw)
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<treyh222>
xrandr -o inverted
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<ErwinJ>
black, upside down screen, text now just "right to left" instead of "left to right"
11:09
<treyh222>
what hapens then
11:09
<ErwinJ>
And my terminal actually shows output!
11:09
Which is a marginal improvement :)
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<treyh222>
try xrandr -o with each of these command (normal, inverted, left, right, 0, 1, 2, 3
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see if one of those fixes it
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<ErwinJ>
Nope, tried all of them. The entire screen rotates in 90 degree steps.
11:12
The text/images are still upside down though
11:12
Are you sure you don't want a screenshot to better visualize what the problem is?
11:12
<erieslabnx>
i had that
11:12
upside down reversed and inverted all at once?
11:13
<ErwinJ>
Kind of, but only the text/images (so icons for instance)
11:13
Placement of the panels is fine
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<erieslabnx>
yep
11:13
yep
11:13
sucks
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<ErwinJ>
Do you know how to fix it?
11:14
<erieslabnx>
yes and no
11:14
<treyh222>
sounds like an xorg issue
11:14
<erieslabnx>
I know what I was told, but I never did it
11:14
yes trey
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<ErwinJ>
Thanks for your help btw treyh222
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<treyh222>
ErwinJ, there are also some other things you can try
11:14
<erieslabnx>
I was told it was easy you merely have to set thexres option to a limited number of autoconfig options
11:15
<ErwinJ>
Ah... And how do I do that?
11:15
<erieslabnx>
hold on I will find the file the told me to edit
11:15
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, might also try xfix
11:15
<erieslabnx>
lts.conf file
11:15
<ErwinJ>
Just type xfix in the terminal window?
11:16
<erieslabnx>
i just switched to a different client and all was good
11:16
<ErwinJ>
Not really an option here. This is an attempt at recycling an old laptop.
11:17
I figured I'd use it as a second screen to my overpowered desktop
11:17
<erieslabnx>
Erwinj have you logged into that user on another machine previously?
11:17
<ErwinJ>
Not sure what you mean erieslabnx
11:17
<erieslabnx>
they say that couln't cause it, but the only username it did that to me on was the user I logged into as from the server, which obviously has much different resolution settings
11:17
<ErwinJ>
It logs in just fine, the screen just looks garbled :)
11:18
Well, yes and no
11:19
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, are you logging in as the same user as you do on the server?
11:19
<ErwinJ>
I logged in as my server user first, then figured there were too many things I autostart and don't want on the thin client. Then I made a new user, which I now use to log in
11:19
<erieslabnx>
alkisg is the guy who knew really well how to fix this for me
11:19
he can walk you through step by step
11:19
<treyh222>
erieslabnx, what did he want you to change in lts.conf (screen resolution?
11:19
<ErwinJ>
Could it be that I screwed up some sort of configfile by trying to log in as my server user first?
11:19
<erieslabnx>
yes
11:20
not forcing one option treyh222, but having a few configurations
11:20
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, delete that user and start again! or create a new user to test
11:20
<ErwinJ>
That's what I did treyh222
11:20
I created a new user
11:20
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, same problem though ?
11:21
<ErwinJ>
My question is: could it be that I screwed up some configfile in the chroot environment by trying to log in as my main user that one time?
11:21
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, don't think so, I've done that before
11:21
ErwinJ, give me a sec, i'm digging thru the logs for alkisg+upside down screen
11:21
<ErwinJ>
Ok, thanks!
11:23
<pmatulis>
anyone perform tests with kvm-based thin clients?
11:23
<treyh222>
go it
11:23
got it
11:23
modify your lts.conf
11:23
for that specific client
11:24
add XSERVER=vesa
11:24
<ErwinJ>
If anyone is interested: This is a screenshot of the problem - http://94.209.196.70/Screenshot.png
11:24
<erieslabnx>
I like the idea pmatulis!
11:24
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, add this to your lts.conf for that specific client: XSERVER=vesa
11:24
<pmatulis>
erieslabnx: well it works fyi
11:24
<erieslabnx>
yes that was what I was having too
11:25
<ErwinJ>
Where do I find lts.conf?
11:25
<pmatulis>
erieslabnx: just seems like a non-friendly way to manage them
11:25
<treyh222>
ErwinJ, sorry gotta run bbl
11:25
<erieslabnx>
that was where I got lost Erwinj
11:25
<ErwinJ>
Ok, thanks treyh222
11:26
<erieslabnx>
and that is a popular question with many different answers
11:28
<ErwinJ>
Found it :) it is located in <chroot_location>/etc/lts.conf
11:29
And there is a text in there which says I need to edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
11:29
Trying that now
11:30
<erieslabnx>
awesome
11:30
please let me know if it works
11:30
I have a few extra clients back in commission if so! lol
11:30
<ErwinJ>
Haha :)
11:30
Nope, no luck
11:31
I'll try the /etc/lts.conf file and see if that works
11:32
How many clients do you have erieslabnx?
11:32
<erieslabnx>
only 10
11:32
<ErwinJ>
"only 10" haha :)
11:32
I'm trying 1 atm
11:32
<erieslabnx>
:)
11:32
I am as new as you I promise
11:33
<ErwinJ>
Ow, it is complaining about a syntax error at line 1
11:33
<erieslabnx>
it has been almost plug and play so far
11:33
<rjune_wrk>
ErwinJ: only 10 is right, there are companies with 100+ terms
11:34
<erieslabnx>
My new office will have about 30
11:34
the third office we are looking at 50
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11:34
<erieslabnx>
so I need to learn how domains work now
11:35
<ErwinJ>
Apparantly you need to type [default] in the first line (or an identifier for the mac address)
11:35
See: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html for details
11:35
Neat
11:35
<erieslabnx>
does your lappie have a boot from network option?
11:36
<ErwinJ>
Hooray, it works!
11:36
Yes
11:36
<erieslabnx>
:)
11:36
<ErwinJ>
But only the wired network thing
11:36
<erieslabnx>
very cool!
11:36
<rjune_wrk>
ErwinJ: you're all good now?
11:36
oh, no.
11:36
<erieslabnx>
mine too, it sucks I would love for my laptop to boot from wireless!!!
11:36
<rjune_wrk>
erieslabnx: it can be done
11:36
<erieslabnx>
PLEASE!!!
11:36
<rjune_wrk>
I did it under contract for a school.
11:36
<ErwinJ>
Not "all good" doesn't describe it
11:37
<erieslabnx>
seriously? I have been asking for a week how, can find nothing on it
11:37
<rjune_wrk>
ErwinJ: icons and text are still upside down, eh?
11:37
<ErwinJ>
The text is the right way up, but the vesa driver looks ugly as hell (as it should)
11:37
<rjune_wrk>
I wish I could help you
11:37
erieslabnx: you have to create a boot disk with your kernel and driver on it.
11:37
<erieslabnx>
DVD?
11:37
<rjune_wrk>
erieslabnx: can be dvd, can be thumb drive.
11:37
<ErwinJ>
Everything is the right way up now, so essentially I should just put the right driver instead of "vesa" in there and my problem will be fixed
11:37
<rjune_wrk>
but you *MUST* initiate the boot locally
11:38
<erieslabnx>
I figured it was a driver issue, not 'knowing' how to use the wifi
11:38
so boot in and then use xdmcp?
11:38
<ErwinJ>
Thanks very much everyone, I will try to change the driver later on and report back here. I need to go buy dinner now. Bye.
11:38
<rjune_wrk>
erieslabnx: that's the gist of what you wind up doing
11:38
<erieslabnx>
have a great day Erwinj
11:38
<alkisg>
sbalneav: in Jaunty, is there any reason to use the included sabayon version instead of the one in your PPA? I think that the included version doesn't work at all, right? So I'm thinking of copying your sabayon to my PPA in case any of the teachers that use my PPA want to give it a try...
11:39
<rjune_wrk>
what I did was load the kernel and initrd onto a CD along with wifi drivers, gave them a way to put in their wep key etc in and automatically build an iso, which they wrote to disc and booted from
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11:39
<erieslabnx>
no wep :P
11:39
<rjune_wrk>
wifi cards don't support PXE
11:39
<erieslabnx>
I live in Ohio bring it on, there are no security concerns in Ohio lol
11:40
really??
11:40
<rjune_wrk>
in theory, if you could find a wifi card that supported PXE, you would be good
11:40
really.
11:40
<erieslabnx>
hmmmm I wonder
11:40
<rjune_wrk>
it's time for me to go to lunch, if you're around whne I get back, I'll go into how it works a bit more
11:40
<erieslabnx>
thank you rjune_wrk
11:41
alkisg I almost got involved in Sabayon again, I am glad I didn't yet (I don't have a test server)
11:41
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: ? why would you need a server to test sabayon?
11:41
<erieslabnx>
ohh wait you mean the one in the PPA is working?
11:42
I just far more negative than I intended to
11:42
sounded
11:42
<alkisg>
That's what good sbalneav is trying to tell us in the last few weeks, that he's looking for beta testers... ;)
11:42
<erieslabnx>
yes he told me today.... Is a PPA like a repository?
11:42
<alkisg>
Yes
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11:43
<erieslabnx>
any special software needed to access the files?
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11:43
<alkisg>
no, you just need to put it to your sources: https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
11:43
<erieslabnx>
awesome
11:44
admin/software sources correct?
11:45
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: a how-to is there: https://launchpad.net/+help/soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
11:45
<erieslabnx>
ok I will go play with it now :) Thank you
11:46
<alkisg>
yw
11:49
<ogra>
oh, ErjinJ is gone ...
11:49
he should have tried to disable desktop effects :)
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11:52
<erieslabnx>
If I see him ogra I will tell him you suggested that
11:53
<ogra>
erieslabnx, i'm just discussiong with our desktop guy in #ubuntu-devel :)
11:53
he has never seen somethng like that either and asked which locale Erwin uses
11:54
<erieslabnx>
I figured it was just a fluke that it happened to me so many times, then he came in with the same problem
11:54
I didn't ask him sorry
11:55
<ogra>
erieslabnx, so you saw the same before ?
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11:55
<erieslabnx>
yes just as his screenshot showed
11:55
inverted and reversed
11:55
<ogra>
what locale do you use ?
11:55
<erieslabnx>
EN US ?
11:55
<ogra>
doesnt look reversed
11:55
just head over
11:56
the A of applications is where it belongs
11:56
<erieslabnx>
alkisg this sabayon is MUCH better!
11:56
I didn't catch that ogra....
11:56
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: report any bugs to sbalneav :)
11:57
<erieslabnx>
if it helps ogra, it had funky display errors for me too... I would try to navigate it backwards but as my mouse would roll over each line would black out so I would have to look where I was going before moving my mouse for simple things like reboot
11:57
<alkisg>
ogra, I've seen that too with el_GR locale
11:57
<ogra>
intresting
11:58
alkisg, every used compiz on such clients ?
11:58
i wonder if its compiz related
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11:58
<alkisg>
I can borrow the laptop to test again sometime - I don't remember much about it
11:58
<erieslabnx>
The oddest thing of all, it only did this to the two user accounts that I logged into from the server itself.
11:58
<alkisg>
I think I temporarily worked around it with the vesa driver; I don't think I tried disabling compiz stuff
11:59
<erieslabnx>
yes alkisg that was what you suggested for me.... they looked up the chat logs searching your name and inverted screen and found your solution... It worked for him. Then you came on here right after he was leaving
11:59
<alkisg>
Heh :)
12:00
<erieslabnx>
this was all a few minutes ago and I told them to ask you, that was when they decided to search logs
12:00
so I kinda was able to help someone finally
12:00
I told them to ask you lol
12:00
<ogra>
alkisg, ssshh, silent hint: ....
12:00
<alkisg>
:P
12:00
<ogra>
FILE BUGS !!!!!!
12:01
;)
12:01
<erieslabnx>
I don't think it is a bug, it is more user related I think :)
12:01
<ogra>
it is a bug
12:01
if your font does funny things that needs to be fixed
12:02
<alkisg>
ogra, sure, but he just lent me his laptop to repartition his disk and put windows on it; It didn't seem right to me to keep it until I could provide feedback for solving the bug ;)
12:02
<ogra>
if its a wrong user setting it needs to be identified what sets that setting and how to avoid it :)
12:02
<erieslabnx>
it is beyond a RTL issue, it was inverted
12:02
<alkisg>
(LTSP is a really good recovery method, btw!!!!!(
12:02
<ogra>
yeah
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12:04
<erieslabnx>
alkisg do I need to rebuild the thin client image when I make changes on Sabayon? Are changes in real time or will clients need to reboot to see them?
12:04
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: I think that the users need to log off, but I haven't used sabayon so I can't tell you much
12:04
<ogra>
changes happen in the desktop session ...
12:04
no need to rebuild the client system for that
12:05
<erieslabnx>
ok thks
12:10
what is the best xdmcp client to use for a windows based machine? Does anyone have any preference?
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12:11
<erieslabnx>
I have a netbook I use primarily for adobe acrobat to scan and make my pdf files, but would like to use it to access the server as admin now and then if possible
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12:17* alkisg prefers xsane to adobe acrobat :P
12:18
<staffencasa>
has anyone seen problems where ltsp will freeze to a black screen randomly? I'm not sure if this is a suspend issue or what. All I know is it goes to a black screen but the monitor light is still green and not amber like normal.
12:20
strattog, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/12196
12:21
<erieslabnx>
neither of my scanners can be detected in xsane
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12:36
<erieslabnx>
I would like to just randomly thank everyone for being such a big help at all given hours. I have a system that runs great and I am not an admin or IT guy. I really appreciate all the efforts you all put in here.
12:38
<sbalneav>
Afternoon all
12:39
<alkisg>
Hey sbalneav.
12:39
<stgraber>
hey sbalneav
12:39
how's the conference
12:40
<sbalneav>
Good. I've got my presetation written.
12:40
<stgraber>
had time to work on LTSP ?
12:40
<sbalneav>
I'm here in the speaker's lounge trying to do some hacking, but Richard Stallman's in here, so it's filling up fast.
12:40
<Lns>
erieslabnx: Thanks for using LTSP, it's great for us to help out and make sure things work as they should
12:41
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hehe
12:41
<sbalneav>
I might have to move.
12:41
I'd take a picture, but he'd charge me 10 bucks.
12:41
<Lns>
Uh oh, it's 'the man' =)
12:41
<erieslabnx>
sbalneav thank you for your work, this version from your ppa is incredible
12:41
works flawless so far
12:41
<sbalneav>
I like his ideas
12:41
I'm not so fond of the person :)
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12:42
<sbalneav>
(hope he doesn't see this :)
12:42
<erieslabnx>
I have 8 clients connected to the server now and have some display bugs in ubuntu, is there a way to restart my gui without resetting the entire server or disconnecting the thin clients?
12:43
like from terminal or something?
12:44
<stgraber>
sbalneav: you don't happen to have a fix for ldm do you ? :)
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12:45
<erieslabnx>
sorry i should have been more clear. The display is acting up on the server not the clients. So I assume I am trying to restart gnome without restarting the server itself.
12:45
<coordinador>
Hi, im the guy who wants to buy some 1220 Term
12:45
<Lns>
erieslabnx: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
12:46
<coordinador>
i want to know if this terms are compatable with windows (im just the messenger, my boss asks :P)
12:46
<erieslabnx>
thank you lns :)
12:46
<Lns>
hrm...where's can-o-spam when you need him ;)
12:46
<erieslabnx>
just found out as you replied :)
12:46
<Lns>
erieslabnx: ;)
12:47
<stgraber>
sbalneav: btw, did you find Fernando from Revolution Linux ?
12:47
<erieslabnx>
shortcut ctrl alt backspace wasn't working :)
12:48
<coordinador>
Gadi, are you from diskessworkstations?
12:48
*diskless
12:48
<Gadi>
'fraid not
12:48
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: ^
12:48
<coordinador>
do you know somebody that works here?
12:48
<erieslabnx>
those are real people??
12:48
<ogra>
coordinador, no, he's a concurrent company :)
12:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: ?
12:49
<erieslabnx>
Gadi are you with a company?
12:49
<ogra>
coordinador, meet _UsUrPeR_
12:49
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: fess up, you work for them
12:49
<coordinador>
ok, thanks
12:49
<erieslabnx>
lol
12:49
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: coordinador is looking for someone from DLW
12:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
coordinator: hello. Myself and CAN-o-SPAM are employeers at disklessworkstations.com
12:49
<Gadi>
erieslabnx: Symbio Technologies
12:49
<erieslabnx>
who is diskless' biggest competitor?
12:49
<Gadi>
at your service
12:49
:)
12:49
<erieslabnx>
haha
12:49
<ogra>
employeers ??
12:49
<Lns>
I'm at LNS =p
12:49
<ogra>
hmm
12:49
<coordinador>
haha
12:50
<erieslabnx>
all friends in #ltsp :)
12:50
<coordinador>
ok...
12:50
humm
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
what's up? :)
12:50
<stgraber>
Lns: who'd have guess :)
12:50
<ogra>
does that merge employees and employers ?
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12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: that is up to you. We are what you ask us to be.
12:50
<Gadi>
ah, vagrantc, reporting for work
12:50
<erieslabnx>
vagrantc welcome!!!
12:50
<Gadi>
:)
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
we are nothing but dust in the wind man
12:50
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, lol
12:50
heh
12:50* vagrantc waves
12:50
<coordinador>
_UsUrPeR_, my boss sent me to ask if ltsp 1220 term are compatable with windows
12:50* ogra strands
12:50* Lns pours pints for all
12:51
<coordinador>
i want to buy 30 of these machines, and i need to know that.
12:51
<ogra>
coordinador, to throw them through ? should work fine :)
12:51
<erieslabnx>
I have come so far along since we last spoke vagrantc!!! I am like almost an admin guy these days. :)
12:51
I have 10 clients running good now :)
12:51
<vagrantc>
erieslabnx: glad to hear it!
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
coordinador: when you say "compatible with windows", what were you planning on doing with the units?
12:52
<Lns>
ogra: =p~~
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12:52
<coordinador>
using as thin clients and maybe using as normal low power computers
12:52
<Lns>
ah, the spaminator!
12:53* ogra imagines win98 would run fine on them ...
12:53
<CAN-o-SPAM>
funny story: met a teacher who teaches in hawaii yesterday ... she said spam is good and they eat lots! go to 7-11 instead of hot dogs and taquitos they have rice rolled in spam
12:53
<ogra>
shudder
12:53
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: spam is Hawaii's token meat!
12:53
<ogra>
how much did he weigth ?
12:53
<treyh222>
lol
12:53
<Lns>
err...meat flavored product...
12:54
<treyh222>
what is spam made out of?
12:54
<Lns>
treyh222: that's the mystery...nobody knows
12:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
it was a she ...
12:54
<ogra>
pure fat mixed with fat ?
12:54
<erieslabnx>
coordinator I just bought a pile of off-lease school computers (PIII's) for like $40 each and boot them all from network. It's like I am running dual core on all desktops now and cheap as hell
12:54
<Lns>
erieslabnx: now all you have to worry about is the power those guys are sucking down
12:55
<erieslabnx>
if space is a factor though I understand your search
12:55
true Lns
12:55
230 watt power supplies, can't be that bad right?
12:55
<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: power + carbon footprint + longevitiy
12:55
<Gadi>
save the cheerleader, save the world
12:56
ogra's the cheerleader
12:56
:)
12:56
<erieslabnx>
I can't afford those $575 HP thin clients
12:56
<ogra>
lol, i'm not blonde
12:56
<erieslabnx>
might as well buy netbooks for that price and get the free lcd
12:56
<CAN-o-SPAM>
erieslabnx: which is why DisklessWorkstations.com is here to serve you! :)
12:56
<Lns>
erieslabnx: if you purchase from DLW, the money goes to support LTSP :)
12:56
<Gadi>
its not the hair, its the liederhosen
12:56
<ogra>
and my shapes are rather round in o5ther areas
12:56
<stgraber>
ogra: if that's the only issue that shouldn't be so hard to fix ;)
12:56
<erieslabnx>
ohh dear god I have started it now
12:56
<stgraber>
you know changing hair color isn't that hard nowadays
12:56* Lns wanted to be the cheerleader =(
12:57* ogra hands Lns the pompoms
12:57
<erieslabnx>
I do like you the DLW website and product options
12:57
<Gadi>
Lns: you can be Peter Petrelli
12:57
<erieslabnx>
all about the nano size :)
12:57
price is my concern
12:57
not with DLW just in general
12:58
does dlw have the vesa mount stations to for lcd brackets? Like peas and carrots forest gump says.
12:58
<Lns>
erieslabnx: keep in mind that netbooks aren't extremely rugged
12:58
<CAN-o-SPAM>
erieslabnx: yes
12:59
<stgraber>
Ryan52: ping
12:59
<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: 4 points against netbooks for thin clients ... 1) small small screen 2) small keyboard 3) bad mouse 4) battery
12:59* Lns waves goodbye to all as he must go save the world^H^H^H^H^Hschool from war^H^H^Hbandwidth issues
12:59
<erieslabnx>
I have to get to a meeting, talk to you all soon :)
13:00* Lns writes down the wisdom passed forth by CAN-o-SPAM
13:00
<Lns>
...and twitters it
13:01
<stgraber>
Ryan52: hmm, ignore that, seems to be a packaging issue rather than upstream issue :) (my locales file is empty for some weird reason)
13:01
<erieslabnx>
i need a blackberry irc client lol
13:01
<CAN-o-SPAM>
do they make one?
13:02
<erieslabnx>
i don't think
13:02
<CAN-o-SPAM>
i'll have to check app world, i'd be suprised if they don't or if we don't see one soon
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13:08
<treyh222>
Jivetalk is a multinetwork chat client for the blackberry
13:08
<Gadi>
lol -as if on queue, I just got this email from infoworld: Netbooks: the ultimate thin clients
13:08
Some people dismiss netbooks as personal playthings; others see them as potential desktop replacements. Could they be vehicles for desktop virtualization, too?
13:09
erieslabnx must be gettting the same emails
13:09
:P
13:10
<CAN-o-SPAM>
theres been quite a few articles saying netbooks = thin clients over the past few weeks, i've choosen to ignore most of them
13:10
<treyh222>
Gadi, you have time to work with me, on the kernel panic error after the e1000_watchdog times out?
13:10
<ogra>
Gadi, the ubuntu server team uses them extensively ... great way to get a fast machine with builtin UPS
13:10* CAN-o-SPAM looks at Lns ... if your tweet my twknowledge twive me twcredit
13:11
<Gadi>
treyh222: sure, on the usual divided-attention basis
13:11
<stgraber>
ogra: hmm, it looks like "locales" isn't part of the builder chroot, does it make sense ?
13:11
<Gadi>
ogra: but, I thought they were all waiting 6 more months before buying one :P
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<ogra>
Gadi, thats the ARM team :PÜ
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:P
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<Gadi>
ah, the team of one
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:)
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<ogra>
stgraber, debootstap should pull it in
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<ogra>
stgraber, libc6 -> belocs-locales-bin -> locales
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<stgraber>
cat: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED: No such file or directory
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I have that from the builder when building ldm
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<ogra>
(note that the command "locales" doesnt exist)
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<stgraber>
and that file comes with the "locales" package
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<ogra>
does locale-gen work ?
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<stgraber>
no idea, I don't need that to build ldm :)
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I did a debootstrap on my laptop and couldn't reproduce what I see on the builders ...
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<ogra>
strange, ask lamont or infinity
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<stgraber>
ok
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<MichalPenka>
Hello guys! Is it truth that if two client runs for e.g. Firefox or OpenOffice.org there is only one instance in memory?
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<stgraber>
sure
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<MichalPenka>
:)
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could you give some explanation?
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I write some work and I need it :(
13:39
"please" missed in my sentence ;)
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<stgraber>
that's the usual shared memory, if two softwares use the same libraries it gets only loaded once
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<MichalPenka>
so for e.g. OpenOffice.org takes 100 MB in RAM. If two clients run it, it takes 100 MB+per-user small memory usage?
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maybe it doesn't have to be small
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but it's not important
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<MichalPenka>
or could you give some estimate in case of openoffice writer per one user and per two users?
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<coordinador>
bye and thank you
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<coordinador>
hi all
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i want to help translating documents into spanish
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where i have to talk?
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<ogra_>
coordinador, sbalneav
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<coordinador>
thanks
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<ogra_>
but he is at FISL
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so not regulary around
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<ErwinJ>
Hello again
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I spent some more time on the "text/graphics inverted" problem
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I managed to figure out it has something to do with graphics acceleration
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Putting
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X_OPTION_01="\"NoAccel\""
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in lts.conf under a heading of [default] did the trick
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This obviously kills any 3d accel. For me this is no problem (don't need it anyways). So I'm happy with this solution. I guess it's some sort of driver issue?
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(intel driver btw)
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<alkisg>
ErwinJ: ogra_ suggested that you tried with compiz off
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<ErwinJ>
Good point, let's try that
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<ogra_>
alkisg, well, seb128 did
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before he noticed the fonts in the screenshot
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<ErwinJ>
a metacity --replace miraculously fixed it
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Hooray :)
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Odd though, since when I boot into a local install of 9.04 on that machine it works with compiz
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Any ideas on the cause of this and where to report it?
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<ogra_>
just at launchpad will do
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<ErwinJ>
But with what project? ltsp? intel driver? compiz?
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The problem doesn't exist when I normally boot into the computer, only when I use it as as thin client. To me that indicates that it is a problem with ltsp. Am I correct in that thinking?
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<ogra_>
ubuntu compiz ... it has to do with remote displaying
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(sorry, i'm in a meeting)
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<ErwinJ>
No problem. I'll discuss the bug report tomorrow, have to go to bed now. Bye. Thanks for the help!
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<MichalPenka>
stgraber: thank you for answer for my (4 hours back) question
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good night all (0:09 here)
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<insera-mis>
hi there
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