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Channel log from 10 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:45
<LTSPTNK>
is there anyone present familiar to my problem? (ldap / ad auth, usb storage not working)?
00:46
I just thought that there is somekind of script to make the clients so called "fat clinets", do they use same udev thingie to mount the usb storage?
00:47
daduke how have u done that, I have researched ant the problems is the mountpoint for usb media (/media/%USER) but that really aint the "user", infact it is the user group where that user belongs into
00:48
how have u made those ldap users part of some user group?
00:49
<daduke>
LTSPTNK: I didnt. Our OpenLDAP directory has been around for ~ 8 years and I just integrated LTSP into our existing setup. https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233 shows what I did.
00:55
<LTSPTNK>
does anyone know which umask would be same as chmod 600?
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00:59
<LTSPTNK>
or infact 700 would be better
01:00
so theowner can do anything, other acceess denied
01:00
for the mkhomedir, it uses umask instead of chmod
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01:31
<nagma>
Hi all! Has anyone here managed to get the new LDM with DIRECTX working on Ubunt 8.04 LTSP installation? I checked out revision 874 (latest) of the ldm-trunk, managed to compile it and followed the instructions in README(fixing a couple of errors in it in the process). Then I did "ltsp-update-image" and rebooted the thin client. All seems fine until X (ldm) should appear. The X cursor appears, then the screen goes black, then the cursor appears again and so f
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01:34
<freenod1>
I've got a problem with lbussd taking up the whole processor. When a user logs out it does not close down but takes up the whole processor. Is there somthing I can do to close it down correctly when they logout
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01:36
<Ryan52>
bluedragon: a quick google search shows a result that looks related to ltsp and lbussd taking up lots of CPU usage.
01:36
http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=lbussd&btnG=Google+Search&aq=-1&oq=
01:37
have you looked at it?
01:42
<bluedragon>
yes I did find that
01:42
it sound simular
01:42
however no solution just a problem
01:43
<Ryan52>
oh, then idk.
01:43
<bluedragon>
My problem looks very simular
01:43
but I do know that the problem does not start till somone logs out
01:43
I've sean loads of other reports of the problem but all without solutions as yet
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02:13
<vlt>
Hello. What has changed with nbd SWAP server since LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before) in lts.conf. inetd is listening on that port to invoke the new nbdswapd. But swap is not activated on Ubuntu 8.04? What else do I need?
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02:37
<bluedragon>
Think I might have found the problem
02:37
(lussd not exiting correcly)
02:37
it looks like a problem in the perl module
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02:44
<papaf>
Hi all. I cannot, for the life of me, make the Autologin function of the newer ltsp to work. It simply sits there asking for the login. Using debian etch. Thanks!
02:45
<bluedragon>
also if I logout now X will not restart untill lbussd exits which it does not because its stuck trying to get a connection to X
02:45
<daduke>
papaf: we have it working on etch.
02:46
<bluedragon>
using hardy
02:46
<daduke>
!pastebot
02:46
<ltspbot>
daduke: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
02:46
<papaf>
daduke: did you do anything special? I simply installed the included packages, 0.99something, and tried to enable it through ltsp.conf.
02:46
<bluedragon>
using kdm if that helps
02:47
<daduke>
papaf: you need vagrant's etch backports. See https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233
02:47
<bluedragon>
I'm think logout procedure
02:47
<papaf>
daduke: Oh. I didn't find a mention of it anywhere...
02:48
<daduke>
papaf: stock etch LTSP is old as the hills.
02:49
<papaf>
daduke: I noticed that. Also, those packages seem to be using a different rev. scheme. It was not easy to make heads or tails of it...
02:50
daduke: lots of things on that page. But I think there's nothing special to be done for autologin to work, right?
02:50
<daduke>
papaf: I know. vagrant's backports work fine, we've been using them in production for months now
02:51
papaf: install the backports and look for the 'kiosk' part, that's the lts.conf settings you need
02:52
<papaf>
daduke: Uhm, I just saw a link from that page to a wiki on debian.org. It seems I already followed that page before, so I already tried alioth's packages. Anyway, I already did so much testing that I could be confused. I'll try again.
02:52
daduke: Yes, I saw the portion of ltsp.conf, thanks. I'll try and get back. Thanks!
02:54
<daduke>
papaf: welcome
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03:22
<papaf>
daduke: I see in the example that he's using a specific mirror (debian.ethz.ch). Do you happen to know if there's any particular reason?
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03:29
<daduke>
papaf: yes indeed: speed
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04:00
<papaf>
daduke: Thanks for your help! Sure as hell, it worked the first try... I really must have made a mess the other time...
04:00
<daduke>
papaf: good to hear.
04:01
<LTSPTNK>
does the users have other files than the ones under /home?
04:01
<papaf>
Now the only (minor) issue is the hostname thing
04:01
<LTSPTNK>
like some profile file?
04:01
and where that profile would be located?
04:02
<daduke>
papaf: what's the 'hostname thing'?
04:04
<papaf>
daduke: with those packages, I get an error during bootup about the hostname being invalid, and then I get (none) at the login. Now this doesn't really bother me, but in the ltsp.conf file I cannot specify the hostnames to define specific behaviour. I have to rely on their IPs
04:04
<daduke>
papaf: we use HOST_NAME = patil in lts.conf
04:05
<papaf>
daduke: uhm, well that must be put in a section, right? And what I'm trying to do is name those section using hostnames
04:08
daduke: that's only cosmetic, really. It's easy using ip addresses, so it's not really a problem
04:08
daduke: the big thing is that autologin works, and all the boot process is really really fast!
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04:09
<papaf>
daduke: I bet the boot process can be shortened further if I disable the various autoconf features, like X, right?
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04:12
<daduke>
papaf: I've never tried anything in this direction since we just leave them running at 9W...
04:14
<papaf>
daduke: heh. Thanks again for your help. Bye!
04:14
<daduke>
papaf: greetings!
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04:22
<nagma>
Managed to fix my problem - I hadn't user ./configure --prefix=/usr so it was looking for the greeter in /usr/local/libexec/ldm... not working quite yet, though.
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04:52
<vlt>
Hello. What has changed with nbd SWAP server since LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before) in lts.conf. The inetd is listening on that port to invoke the new nbdswapd. But swap is not activated on Ubuntu 8.04? What else do I need?
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05:04
<johnny>
try reading the doc called lts-parameters.txt
05:04
it is in the chroot in the docs directory somewhere
05:05
perhaps the parameters have changed
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05:33
<ogra>
vlt, nowadays just setting NBD_SWAP is enough, drop all other swap related entries
05:33
(and make sure to have 8.04.1 (i.e. all updates until today)
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06:39
<vlt>
ogra: Thank you. All updates are installed. How does swap work when just setting NBD_SWAP=y but omitting NBD_PORT? The client script seems to use a hard coded port 9210 while inetd is listening on 9572 ...
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07:06* vlt wonders who created `if [ -n $(ps ax|grep nbd$i) ]; then ...` in the ltsp-client-setup script ... This is always TRUE, so the nbd device is always nbd15 ;-)
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07:10
<vlt>
Does anyone know where to define the size of the swap file nbd server is using?
07:12
... and where to stores it (for example to /var/... instead of /tmp)?
07:12
*store
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07:24
<ogra>
vlt, on the server, have a look at the nbdswapd script ... it reads soe config (i forgot which though)
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07:36
<vlt>
ogra: Aah, thank you, it's /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf.
07:39
On Ubuntu 6.06 I used `x11vnc -display :6` on a client to be able to do remote support for the users. How
07:39
is this done now?
07:40
A few monts ago you (ogra) told me there was some admin tool to do this ...
07:40
*months
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07:49
<ogra>
vlt, italc
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08:10
<LTSPTNK>
hi again!
08:10
any one here with "workstation" clients?
08:12
for somereason my new test setup cant accees internet=
08:12
?
08:16
<exodos_>
LTSPTNK: check /etc/resolv.conf
08:17
<LTSPTNK>
should it contain same on server and cliENT?
08:19
<ogra>
yes
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08:20
<ogra>
but the one in the chroot is usually only used for client maintenance (i.e. if you need to install packages)
08:20
<LTSPTNK>
they both contain the same :(
08:20
<ogra>
a thin client ususally doesnt need network access beyond reaching the server
08:21
<LTSPTNK>
but why the internet is then not working?
08:21
<ogra>
no idea
08:21
<LTSPTNK>
(im using not those so called "workstation" "fat clients"
08:21
now^
08:22
<ogra>
fo rthin clients it suffices if the server has access
08:22
<LTSPTNK>
i have no idea either
08:22
what about the interfaces on the server
08:22
<ogra>
well, fat clients are not supported yet, so ymmv
08:22
<LTSPTNK>
need for some gateways etc?
08:22
<ogra>
likely you need to set up ip forwarding and masquerading
08:23
<LTSPTNK>
ok, going to search for that :)
08:23
thanks again
08:23
<ogra>
read up about ufw if you use ubuntu ... its the new way to control firewalls ... the server handbook on help.ubuntu.com should get you going
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08:41
<LTSPTNK>
doesnt help, gotta go home, thanks for all help :)
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08:42* ogra really wonders why everyone nowadays just borks their client env and tries to make it a fat client instread of fixing the smaller prob with their thin client
08:42
<ogra>
*sigh*
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09:01
<chrisjrob>
Trying to install x11vnc on the client. Followed the Edubuntu instructions https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients which AFAIK should work on Debian, in particular I followed the method using a password file. All seemed okay and on the client I can see the process running, but when I try and connect I just get unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111). Any suggestions?
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09:11
<delly84>
yesterday Nubae said something about enabling the "c flag" on the base for nbd write access
09:11
could anyone tell me what this is?
09:12
<ogra>
man nbd-server
09:13
<ByPasS>
ogra : remember my question on howto ssh from thin to the server itself ?
09:15
i forgot to mention i wanted to do from a shell thinclient only, works fine in X but with screenxx=shell
09:15
it doesnt altho it does if i try from chroot on server...
09:16
<delly84>
ogra: thx
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09:19
<exodos_>
ByPasS: what is the output of `ping server` and `ssh server` executed on the clients shell?
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09:20
<delly84>
ogra: could you be more specific? do i have to start/configure the nbd-server?
09:20
<ByPasS>
exo : it doesn ping np
09:21
exo : let me get the error again with ssh, seems like a auth method error
09:22
<delly84>
ogra: when is the nbd-server started in the client setup?
09:23
<ByPasS>
exo : yup confirmed ping fine / when I try to ssh I get Permision denied twice and finally Permision denied(publickey,password)
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09:28
<exodos_>
ByPasS: you can try `ssh -vvv server` to get more info
09:30
<ByPasS>
exo : nice idea i never tho of trying now i see couple of errors :)
09:30
exo : it cry it cant open /dev/tty
09:32
let me try to use pastebot kinda long log
09:32
!pastebot
09:32
<ltspbot>
ByPasS: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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09:33
<supreme_>
hi all
09:33
i cannot run localsound
09:34
the cat /proc > /dev/dsp works fine, but in gnome i just cannot get sound working
09:37
anyone?
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09:39
<vlt>
Hello. Is it possible to use kmix to control the client machine's volume? Can PulseAudio forward these settings to the client's alsamixer somehow?
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10:10
<supreme_>
hi
10:11
now i got sound
10:11
but for example xmms says that i im using soundcard but thats not true
10:12
i know i have sound cause i test it with gstreamer-properties
10:13
what can i do? pls
10:15
i tried with esdplay and i can hear wav files
10:15
but xmms cannot play any sound
10:18
it worked! i just unchecked "use remote host" in esd plugin properties, humm i though it mean another thing
10:24
<exodos_>
supreme_: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#XMMS
10:26
<ogra>
supreme_, well, in that case your client is a remote host (session and xmms run on the server)
10:26
it should also work if you switch to alsa though (if you use ltsp5 )
10:27
<supreme_>
im using ltsp4.2 cause my ebox sound hardware got obsolete and it takes too much to boot with ltsp5
10:27
<ogra>
ah, yeah, ebox i crap
10:27
*is
10:28
<supreme_>
:( i know
10:28
<ogra>
but cheap
10:28
(even though the thincan is chaeper and runs like a charm)
10:28
<supreme_>
which machine is cheaper and better than ebox?
10:29
just an old machine?
10:30
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: can the --enable-console option output the console to multiple ttyS ?
10:31
<ogra>
supreme_, http://artecgroup.myshopify.com/collections/terminal-clients
10:31
Q-FUNK, --enable-console ?
10:31
<Q-FUNK>
--serial-console
10:31
<ogra>
to what command is that an option ?
10:31
<Q-FUNK>
build client
10:31
<ogra>
d-i ?
10:32* ogra never used that, must come from vagrant
10:32
<supreme_>
ok, thanks
10:32
<ogra>
supreme_, the DBE61 is one i can recommend ...
10:32
<supreme_>
can i run youtube vid decently?
10:33
...in dbe61?
10:34
<ogra>
as decently as on every other 4-500MHz client i guess... i didnt test flash specifically
10:35
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: that reminds me, you'll probably wanna upgrade your bios to the current one ;)
10:35
<ogra>
well, it works fine with the installed one
10:36
the dbe60 didnt boot though ... i didnt dig deeper since i know its EOL anyway soon
10:36
i guess a bios update would help there
10:36
or reducing the nbi image i think i saw it complaining about size somewhere
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<Q-FUNK>
I'm currently investigating the 60
10:37
that's why I need the serial console
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10:39
<ogra>
i really think the nbi image is to big .... try with MODULES list and create a minimal list .... MODULES=netboot will pull all NIC drivers in
10:40
<Q-FUNK>
it could be that too
10:44
where is the default module list set?
10:47
mind you, warren's guys have made a patch to mkelfimage that's supposed to take care of initrd relocation dynamically
10:47
<warren>
I sent that patch upstream
10:47
<Q-FUNK>
yeah, I merged it in debian
10:48
the funny thing is, the 61 works fine even without it, on ubuntu
10:48
<warren>
does it help the 60?
10:48
<ogra>
yeah
10:48
<Q-FUNK>
the 60 is the only one that's broken
10:48
<ogra>
well, i dont think we have the fix from debian in hardy
10:48
<warren>
pjones was right that a hard coded value wouldn't work everywhere
10:48
<Blinny>
Any reason why an external HD wouldn't show on a thin client user's desktop? I can see the device in /proc/scsi/scsi on the client's console
10:48
<ogra>
and intrepid's lsp doesnt build atm
10:48
*ltsp
10:49
<Q-FUNK>
warren: and yet I think that's only half the explanation
10:49
<ogra>
Blinny, ltspfs only catches partitions ....
10:49
<warren>
Q-FUNK: how the kernel is built is half of it
10:49
Q-FUNK: anyhow with the patch has it failed anywhere?
10:49
<Blinny>
ogra: Ah. So maybe it's not partitioned, just a FAT32 formatted device?
10:49
<ogra>
if the disk is not partitioned like some win formatters do, it wont show up
10:49
<Blinny>
That must be it. Thanks ogra.
10:50
<Q-FUNK>
warren: no failure with it, so far, but no fix for the 60 either
10:50
<ogra>
just check with cfdisk :)
10:50
<warren>
oh, the mkelfimage patch didn't fix the 60?
10:50* ogra cant tell
10:51
<ogra>
unless your patch is four months old ... then it would have gone into hardy
10:51
i think that was the last time i synced the debian package
10:51
<warren>
I think pjones fixed this a month ago
10:51
mkelfimage was doing stupid things
10:51
<ogra>
ah, then its in intrepid
10:51
which has various problems atm
10:51
<warren>
he just copied what all other boot loaders do into mkelfimage
10:52
<Nubae>
hmm interesting... Fedora has announced a EDU spinoff
10:52
<ogra>
Nubae, about two years ago, yes
10:52
or 1.5y
10:52
<Nubae>
no just now
10:52
on the mailing list
10:52
<ogra>
well, nice
10:53
<warren>
I'm actually not involved in that.
10:53
Fedora is a lot bigger than me.
10:53
<Nubae>
seems slightly 'unofficial'
10:53
just maths utils
10:53
<warren>
Nubae: it is just another spin group
10:53
Nubae: we have several groups that do their own spin
10:54
<Blinny>
ogra: Part Type: Logical
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: has pjone's patch evolved since you submitted it to the coreboot list?
10:57
brb
10:57
rebooting
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<ByPasS>
ogra : related to my ssh to the ltspserver from thinclient (with screen=shell02) I found out with ssh -vvv that ssh cant find /dev/tty which make the read_passphrase to be aborted
11:00
the /.ssh/identity, id_rsa & id_dsa is (nil) but that shouldnt prevent me to use password method tho
11:01
<ogra>
might be a bug in the "shell" screenscript
11:02
ByPasS, did you try -t as the ssh manpage suggests ?
11:02
<ByPasS>
yup same verbose debug output
11:04
what u say looks to be the problem since as I said I can ssh in the chroot just not from the thinclient
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<ByPasS>
unless i can find a way to use key auth only - otherwise i will just try to use telnet for conncetion between thin client - ltsp server since I just want to log on server to start a terminal emulator (wyse60) which telnets out anyway to another server
11:06
unless telnet cries on tty aswell eh
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<Q-FUNK>
re
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: where do we set that modules list again?
11:16
<ogra>
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules in your chroot
11:17
<Q-FUNK>
and where is the default list?
11:17
<ogra>
hardcoded in initramfs-tools
11:18
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
11:18
look in the audo_add_modules() function
11:18
for net)
11:20
<delly84>
does the nbd-server need to be started/configured somewhere? where/when does the nbd-server specify it's exported file, inetd.conf?
11:21
i am thinking my image is not getting exported correctly
11:21
<ogra>
the nbdrootd and nbdswapd scripts on the server start nbd-server
11:21
<Q-FUNK>
ok, so I added the only 3 nic drivers used by thincans to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
11:21
<delly84>
when are they called?
11:22
inetd.conf right?
11:23
<ogra>
delly84, yes
11:23
it should have lines for each of them
11:25
<Q-FUNK>
now doing dpgk-reconfigure on the kernel, then rebuilding the boot image
11:25
<delly84>
so can i add the -c flag in inetd.conf for read write access to the image? or should i specify that in /etc/nbd-server/config?
11:26
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, compare initramfs*.img with .img.bak to see if it gained you anything
11:28
<Q-FUNK>
nope. both at 4.3mb
11:29
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,3M 2008-07-10 19:23 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic
11:29
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,3M 2008-07-10 18:03 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic.bak
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11:31
<ogra>
oh, wait .... where did you change the MODULES variable ?
11:31
<Q-FUNK>
i did not
11:31
(19:15:21) ogra: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in your chroot
11:31
<ogra>
ah :)
11:32
<Q-FUNK>
that's why I asked you wehre was the default list
11:32
<ogra>
<ogra> i really think the nbi image is to big .... try with MODULES list and create a minimal list .... MODULES=netboot will pull all NIC drivers in
11:32
<Q-FUNK>
yup, but that doesn't tell me what the default list is like
11:32
<ogra>
sorry, didnt elaborate on that before :)
11:32
<Q-FUNK>
right :)
11:32
<ogra>
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/
11:32
should have an ltsp file i think
11:33
(or it might be in /etc/initramfs-tools/, cant remember right now)
11:33
<Q-FUNK>
in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
11:33
ok, so I replace netboot with what?
11:34
<ogra>
list
11:34
its documented in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
11:38
<Q-FUNK>
hmm.. sort-of. I'd probably need to know what netboot depends on, before I can skim it
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<ogra>
netboot makes mkinitramfs use the list defined in audo_add_modules under net)
11:44
<Q-FUNK>
ah yes, right
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<Q-FUNK>
well, the initrd.img is now much smaller, but not the resulting nbi
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<ogra>
you need to redo the nbi
11:53
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
11:57
<Q-FUNK>
ok
11:57
and where would I define cmdline option to enable an early console?
11:58
<ogra>
/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf in the chroot
11:58
<Q-FUNK>
that --serial-console option only seems to add a ttyS0 entry to /etc/inittab
11:58
<ogra>
with BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
11:59
yeah, likely not adapted for upstart since i didnt even know it
11:59
but you should be able to use the standard way for upstart to just make it start a serial console
11:59
likely documented on the upstart homepage
11:59
<Q-FUNK>
right, but that's not what I need anyhow
12:00
I need kernel output to serial port as soon as etherboot loads nbi.img
12:00
<ogra>
http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-serial-console-on-ubuntu
12:00
that looks good
12:00
oh
12:01
yeah, thats different
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<Q-FUNK>
the options are the same, but where to place them to have them used by mkelimage is th equestion
12:02
<ogra>
BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
12:02
<Q-FUNK>
right
12:02
and default ones are where, so that I can append, rather than squash?
12:03
<ogra>
BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="quiet splash console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0" in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
12:03
default ones are in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
12:03
<Q-FUNK>
I wonder why it has the console= statement twice
12:03
<ogra>
hmm, typo
12:04
i bet
12:04
<Q-FUNK>
or not. maybe to output both ways
12:04
<ogra>
i doubt initramfs-tools takes that into regard
12:05
<Q-FUNK>
we'll soon find out :)
12:07
<ogra>
the kernel might though
12:07
<Q-FUNK>
the kernel should
12:07
and in our case, that means kmelfimage
12:08
... which sort-of acts as the bootloader
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<delly84>
Nubae: are you around?
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14:12* vagrantc is happy to report that ltsp is in reasonably good shape for debian's lenny release
14:12* ogra applauds
14:13
<lejo_>
;=)
14:13
<laga>
yay
14:13* ogra still had no time to look why it implodes in intrpid
14:14
<ogra>
*intrepid
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<ogra>
vagrantc, btw, i had a discussion with cjwatson today ... debootstrap has definately code that copies /etc/hostname an /etc/resolv.conf in as a default ... i really wonder why we dont end up with either
14:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: i seem to recall adding code to blank out/remove /etc/hostname (as it was the server's) and resolv.conf gets copied, in my experience.
14:17
<ogra>
not for me .. i added a plugin
14:17
ages ago though, i never checked again
14:17
<vagrantc>
010-etc-hostname in debian handles /etc/hostname
14:17
<ogra>
i know it doesnt get copied on CD installs
14:18* laga has evil initramfs magic to create a sane resolv.conf in mythbuntu-diskless ;)
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<ogra>
because it doesnt exists on the host yet if our udeb runs
14:18
d-i creates it afterwards
14:18
<vagrantc>
ah, that could be. i haven't tested CD installs much until very recently.
14:19
<ogra>
i usually test more CD installs tan normal builds
14:19
probably thats the reason for my impression
14:19
<vagrantc>
i finally figured out that i can use ltsp as a use-case for testing simple-cdd (my other main projecT)
14:20
so i can test both projects at once... and get sidetracked on which issues to actually fix
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<delly84>
So i am still working on a fat client install
16:30
i think ltsp-update-kernels might break the image
16:30
<Nubae>
heh... get any further?
16:30
<delly84>
yes
16:31
gdm starts up, i can log in and home mounts
16:31
<Nubae>
but u shouldnt be doing update-kernels
16:31
<delly84>
why?
16:31
<Nubae>
ah great... so all is well
16:31
well, update-image should do that automatically
16:31
<delly84>
oh ... really?
16:31
<Nubae>
iirc yes
16:32
<delly84>
ok
16:32
i used the --workstation flag, i think my problems before had to do with ldap, like you said
16:32
<Nubae>
did you build up the fat client environment yet?
16:32
well, now you should be able to install ldap without problems
16:33
<delly84>
hopefully :-)
16:34
<Nubae>
so you mounted /home via nfs?
16:34
or not yet
16:34
<delly84>
yes i have
16:35
<Nubae>
cool
16:35
<delly84>
i know :-)
16:35
<Nubae>
yeah feels good once u start moving forwards...
16:35
<delly84>
yeah
16:35
i noticed that when i did the ltsp-build-client --workstation, and it asks for a user with admin privileges, if you pause there without adding anything, the build client breaks
16:36
<Nubae>
I'm gonna eat something, but I'll be around if you have questions
16:36
<delly84>
ok, i have some stuff to test, but yeah ... good stuff
16:36
<Nubae>
yeah... the installer needs a serious upgrade
16:36
when I get a chance, I'll, do that
16:37
<delly84>
yeah, it could be, it's nice though to have something working
16:37
when you get around to it, would you just post it on the wiki?
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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<Cody>
Anyone here using SLED, or more specifically Linux User Management?
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<jammcq>
helloooo friends
18:13
<rjune_>
jammcq !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
18:14
<jammcq>
hey rjune_
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<vagrantc>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <sbalneav> ´Hey all
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<OS4>
Hi all
22:34
I set up an LTSP server on Ubuntu (AMD 64 core 2 with S3 unichrome video card) and I am trying to connect to the server using XDMCP from my workstation (AMD sempron 32bit with Nvidia video card). I get this message: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (resourde temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"xnest is installed as i can ssh (-Y) into the server no problemi have also been researching this but have not found a solved case yet. Can anyone help?
22:35
I am running LTSP5 on Ubuntu Hardy
22:36
Can anyone help?
22:39
<Ryan52>
14:05 < ogra> x86, note that ltsp5 doesnt actually care or fully support XDMCP
22:39
07:59 < ogra> masus, yu ill lose all additional features, but can enable it by SCREEN_07=xdmcp
22:47
<OS4>
Ryan52: thanks for responding. Where do i put SCreen_07=xdmcp?
22:48
I used the terminal server client under applications > internet. my workstation is Ubuntu Hardy
22:50
I was able to do this really easy from Windows using XMING and a K12LTSP6 server and from ubuntu fesisty. This is my first time with LTSP5 on ubuntu
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<Ryan52>
OS4: lts.conf
22:52
<OS4>
incidentally, my workstation has a rhine II nic and supports ether boot, but it does not have a floppy drive. I tried to boot from the nic but the thin client boot failed at TPTPD.
22:52
<Ryan52>
OS4: probably something like /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, I think.
22:52
<OS4>
Ryan52:thanks, i'll check it out right away
22:53
<Ryan52>
but I dunno if that actually turns on xdmcp...because that file is used for clients usually...idk
22:53
I just paste stuff out of my irc logs :D
22:54
<OS4>
Ryan52: I see
22:55
well I did turn on remote login on the LTSP5 server
22:55
<Ryan52>
but I do know that ltsp people think xdmcp is bad...
22:56
<rcy`>
aside from lack of security, whats the problem with xdmcp? why not tunnel xdmcp over ssh?
22:57
<Ryan52>
security is it AFAIK.
22:58
<jammcq>
xdmcp is udp, can't tunnel that through ssh
22:58
<rcy`>
hmm, right
22:58
<Ryan52>
but is there anything that you gain by using xdmcp? (other than getting to use your favorite .dm)
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<jammcq>
OS4: i'm not understanding what you are trying to do
22:58
<OS4>
lts.conf on my system is in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/ but there is a note in it saying that it is no longer needed, or so i understand it
22:59
<jammcq>
lts.conf is no longer needed, UNLESS you want to do some customizations. in a standard default installation, you generally don't need it
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<OS4>
I am trying to either log into the LTSP5 server using XDMCP or boot from my Rhine II nic using its bootrom (my workstation does not have a floppy drive)
23:01
<jammcq>
ok, so how are you trying to use xdmcp ?
23:01
with Xnest?
23:01
<OS4>
the nic boot failes at TFTPD
23:01
yes, with xnest
23:01
<jammcq>
dunno what's up there.
23:01
ok, what command line are you using with Xnest ?
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<OS4>
xnest gives me an x display but nothing else. when I close it i get the error message:
23:02
<jammcq>
gray screen?
23:02
with X cursor?
23:02
<OS4>
XIO: fatal IO error 11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
23:02
yes
23:02
<jammcq>
show me your Xnest command line
23:02
<OS4>
gray screen with x cursor
23:03
do not have a command line, i use the terminal server client in applications > internet
23:03
<jammcq>
terminal server client isn't Xnest
23:03
it's rdesktop
23:03
isn't it?
23:04
pop open an xterm and type this: Xnest -query x.x.x.x :1
23:04
use the IP address of your hardy server
23:04
<OS4>
the terminal server client has an XDMCP option when xnest is installed
23:04
<jammcq>
ah
23:04
you've enabled remote logins for gdm ?
23:04
<OS4>
yes
23:04
<jammcq>
and did you restart gdm?
23:05
<OS4>
I believe so, might as well do it again now though, to make sure
23:05
<jammcq>
also, gdm has a bug with remote logins.
23:05
something to do with using the themed greeter for remote connections
23:06
<OS4>
Oh dear
23:06
<jammcq>
I found yesterday that if you don't use the fancy greeter for remote logins, sometimes it works
23:06
but for my customer where we were doing this, we ended up switching to XDM
23:06
it's butt-ugly, but it worked
23:06
<OS4>
will use the simple on then. i think i had selected the human thene though
23:07
<jammcq>
yeah, we definately had a problem using the human theme and gdm for remote connections
23:07
<OS4>
ho wdid you do that?
23:07
<jammcq>
there's a big long bug in launchpad describing that problem
23:07
how did I do what?
23:07
<OS4>
:-(
23:07
use XDM instead
23:07
<jammcq>
oh, I just installed the xdm package
23:08
BUT, it was a brand new server that I didn't mind trashing if things went wrong
23:08
I did: apt-get install xdm
23:08
and then it asked if I wanted XDM or GDM to be the default
23:08
but then, if you use XDM, you need to tweak the XDM config files to permit remote logins
23:09
<OS4>
oh boy!
23:09
<jammcq>
remote login via xdmcp seems to be very un-important to the ubuntu developers
23:09
<OS4>
I find that to be true
23:10
<jammcq>
the bug has been around for quite a while and I don't see anybody rushing to fix it
23:10
<OS4>
in fact, it seem to me that there is no real interest in the idea of loggin in to a linux terminal server from another linux box
23:11
with a full X desktop
23:11
<jammcq>
true
23:11
anyway, I hope that gets you headed in the right direction. I've got to get some sleep
23:11
<OS4>
its all set for a Windows terminal server, but not linux
23:11
ok, thanks for responding
23:11
<jammcq>
no prob, good luck
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<OS4>
Ah, but that didn't work
23:16
Anyone else trying to log into a full desktop on the LTSP5 server from a linux workstation?
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<rcy`>
b
23:21
<OS4>
rcy`: I missed you post-I was offline for a bit
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