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Channel log from 4 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<ScorpKing>
for some reason i'm unable to install a custom/other usplash theme for the clients. all my boxes have custom usplash themes so it's not the first time i'm doing this. is there something special i have to do to get a different theme on the clients?
00:11
the only usefull page i could find on google is http://osdir.com/ml/edubuntu-users/2009-01/msg00043.html but that's not working here. any ideas?
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<Ryan52>
ScorpKing, http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.devel/2007-12/msg00030.html
00:12
try that, maybe.
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<ScorpKing>
ok ty
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<cyberorg>
hi guys, what do you think about ATA over Ethernet https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/kiwi-users/2009-February/000954.html :)
00:13
<Ryan52>
ScorpKing, maybe you just missed the ltsp-update-kernels step..
00:13
<ScorpKing>
Ryan52: nope
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<Ryan52>
*shrug*
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<ScorpKing>
Ryan52: it looks like the link you gave me will help a lot. :D i'll come back if i'm stuck. thanks
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<apollonx>
hi all
02:10
where can i get lbuscd sources?
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<redspike>
ddis there Hi, i have problem with local printers on the clients, i have the client detected the printer and if ill kill jetdirect i can do echo "123" > /dev/lp0 and it will print, but when ill reboot it and jetdirect is started and iam add the printer from server on port 9100 i canot print :(
04:05
i can telnet to port 9100on the client from the server
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<redspike>
if ill telnet to9100 and write helloworld! and then dissconect the temrinal he print prints out hellowrold! . whar can be the problem?
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<CrypTom>
hi all. which /etc/pam.d/ file do I need to edit in order to change to login behavior of only ldm logins (not local logins on the server and not ssh logins)?
04:19
or are ldm logins handled by ssh?
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<weed__>
i have questions
06:45
i do ltsp server, and i need to install squid(proxy), this work whith ltsp ?
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<polytan>
hi
08:49
I've got problem with nvidia acceleration on ltsp 5 and ubuntu
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<polytan>
I added in lts.conf (in default section) SXERVER = "nvidia"
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XSERVER = "nvidia"
08:50
the lts.conf file has been weel sent to the client (I can do a cat /etc/lts.conf and see my options)
08:50
but I'm still using the vesa driver (and I chrooted the client on the server to add the nvidia driver)
08:50
have you an idea or an howto to follow to solve that ?
08:53
<Gadi>
polytan: log into a client shell and do: getltscfg -a
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make sure you do not have a syntax error
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<Gadi>
polytan: also, if this is intrepid, I think you need: CONFIGURE_X=True
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<jammcq>
Good morning #ltsp
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<etyack>
morning jammcq
09:41
<cliebow>
!J!
09:41
<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: "J!" is not a valid command.
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<polytan>
Gadi, I look at CONFIGURE_X=true right now
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<polytan>
Gadi, I installed nvidia and ati propriaritary drivers
09:56
ati's one is recognized by X
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but no nvidia's one :/
09:56
it works with nv, but I can't use nvidia
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<polytan>
Gadi, it works
10:10
but it seems that I can't have both nvidia and fglrx drivers at the same time in on image
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<johnny>
nope
10:14
they both override copies of the same file
10:14
yay proprietary drivers
10:14
polytan, you'll have to provide two different chroots
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<polytan>
ok
10:16
I put only CONFIGURE_X = TRUE to have a good video driver
10:16
and that's ok actually
10:17
nvidia doesn't seem to work on the machine :/
10:17
X freezes...
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<johnny>
sbalneav, hey?
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<alkisg>
johnny: would that ("overriding the same file") also be a problem if I need 2 versions of nvidia drivers? (legacy and newer)
10:30
<johnny>
probably
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<alkisg>
Argh... intel from now on, then :)
10:31
<johnny>
or the open ati drivers, they are getting better
10:31
but yeah..blame nvidia
10:31
<alkisg>
Which file is it that gets overwritten?
10:31
<johnny>
one of the gl lib files
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<alkisg>
ty
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<johnny>
fedora10 won't let me sshfs.. weird
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11:23* nubae wonders what is wrong with ATI
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<nubae>
I've got it on my laptop and tower.... wonderful cards
11:23
never a problem
11:23
well... at least not AFTER setup
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<SDuensin>
Sheesh. Finally online today! Hi all!
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<SDuensin>
Anybody ever try and be insane and get a Windows app integrated (somehow) with an LTSP-based network?
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<johnny>
integrated huh?
11:37
it's called wine..
11:38
<SDuensin>
Yea, that's all I've come up with.
11:38
<MRH2>
hi anyone familiar with resolving mouse issues on 4.2
11:38
<johnny>
SDuensin, what else were you expecting?
11:38
<SDuensin>
Oh, and johnny - I downloaded and built Sabayon from the Sabayon SVN repo. Still doesn't work. :-(
11:38
johnny - Beats me. Voodoo?
11:38
<johnny>
wine is voodoo
11:39
SDuensin, i still haven't gotten in touch with scott :(
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to integrate it
11:39
<SDuensin>
Oh. Well, crap! :-P
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<SDuensin>
Got a tarball?
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<johnny>
huh?
11:40
as soon as the patches get in, i'll let you know
11:41
<SDuensin>
A tar.gz of what you have that works on Ubuntu.
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<johnny>
SDuensin, i'm using what is in the repo
11:43
i haven't touched my file in a year
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<SDuensin>
And it runs?!
11:45
<johnny>
my profile runs.. i don't know about sabayon itself
11:46
i can't edit the top panels
11:46
that's a fix that scott is testing
11:46
<SDuensin>
When I click "Edit" in Sabayon, it fires up XNest and then it all blows up and tells me it logged it. But the log is useless.
11:46
<johnny>
we're going to switch to xephyr
11:46* SDuensin is a "Scott", too. :-)
11:46
<SDuensin>
WTF is that?
11:47
<johnny>
an xserver
11:47
it supports damage extension, so repaints aren't always required
11:47
<SDuensin>
Ah!
11:47
<johnny>
so it looks like it runs nicer
11:48
<SDuensin>
Yea, cool. :-)
11:48
So let's find this other Scott and beat the bugs out of him. :-D
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: damage extension? so it only repaints the screen when things REALLY need redrawn, and the rest of the time, it's just the changes?
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, something like that
11:58
warren, what's the deal with fuse/sshfs on fedora
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what do i have to do to enable it?
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<warren>
johnny: what do you mean?
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<johnny>
it won't let me mount :)
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fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
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<warren>
johnny: um, it always just works for me.
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<evilx>
Can someoen explain to me why on the thin client there a / and a /rofs ?
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<Gadi>
evilx: the thin client OS is a union of a read only filesystem mounted on /rofs and a tmpfs
12:22
the union is mounted on /
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<evilx>
but here what weird why is /usr/bin the same as /rofs/usr/bin ?
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<Gadi>
because it is part of the rofs
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<evilx>
so / really doesn = /rofs?
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<Gadi>
no
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/ = the read only filesystem + tmpfs layered on top
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if you edit /usr/bin, you will not see changes madde to /rofs/usr/bin
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*made
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<alkisg>
...and cow, squashfs, nbd, ltspfs, sshfs... argh, too many! :P
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<evilx>
i have all those and it annoying
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<laga>
"annoying"?
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<Gadi>
well, it would not function without them
12:25
so, get over it
12:25
:P
12:25
ignorance is always annoying
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<evilx>
well I am going to rip it apart so it uses x locally and not remotely
12:25
<laga>
Gadi: win!
12:25
<Gadi>
we all seek to improve our understanding
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<alkisg>
I'm going to patch it to replace ldm with gdm, then replace squashfs/nbd with aoe, then replace ltspfs with sshfs, and then it'll be much simpler... it'll just not work, though... :P
12:27
<MRH2>
anyone else have left hand mouse problems with ltsp 4.2?
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<evilx>
can you explain to me why under df there would be two /cow mounts?
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<MRH2>
....is there a better time to ask - don't want to have to go back to alternate software on the clients
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<Lns>
MRH2: AFAIK there are very few supporting v4.2 people around here... is there any reason why you can't upgrade to v5?
12:37
It's miles ahead in functionality
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<MRH2>
We can't upgrade at the moment and last time I checked v5 over nfs was a bit unreliable
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<Lns>
Other than that, I would assume a custom xorg.conf file for the affected mice would be a fair workaround (though I've never really messed w/4.2 so i can't say for sure)
12:39
What exactly is the issue?
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<MRH2>
erratic beahviour when left hand mouse is selelcted - should reverse the buttons - but actually it is as if both buttone are being pressed - access to the xserver using alternate distros and thin client sftware doens't have this problem
12:49
found a thread on the mailing list but couldn't see a resolution
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<vagrantc>
warren: so fedora uses NBD + bind mounted files?
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<warren>
vagrantc: NFS rootfs or NBD squashfs root with bind mounts
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vagrantc: (bind mounts with either)
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<vagrantc>
warren: does the default vary by release?
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<warren>
vagrantc: NFS rootfs is always the default on Fedora
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<MRH2>
Is there is a fedora based nfs tarball for download somewhere that I could drop in?
12:53
<warren>
vagrantc: we ship the ability to switch to NBD root with minimal effort
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<vagrantc>
i mean, debian can use NFS + bind mounts, NBD + aufs, NBD + *fs + bindmounts ...
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but debian defaults to NFS
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<warren>
MRH2: haven't updated it recently
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<vagrantc>
warren: ok, so sounds like similar situation for fedora and debian
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<warren>
MRH2: download megabytes is about the same to install the chroot yourself
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<MRH2>
I don't have a suitable machine to build it at the mo :(
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<warren>
MRH2: what is your goal with the chroot?
12:56
MRH2: the server it logs into must be more powerful than the requirements necessary to install it
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<MRH2>
<--still on FC1 on the server ... long story of legacy soiftware
13:00
warren can you point me in the direction of the old download, might work in the meantime
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<warren>
MRH2: it's gone
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<MRH2>
ah
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<warren>
it was 9 months old
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<MRH2>
oh well... can anyone confirm if choosing the gnome left handed mouse option with ltsp 5 fedora works ok?
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<Gadi>
MRH2: how many buttons are on the mouse?
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<MRH2>
3 including the wheel- pretty much your standard MS wheelmouse
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<Gadi>
what do you use for X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL?
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<MRH2>
"auto"
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<Gadi>
is it a USB mouse?
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<MRH2>
yep
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<Gadi>
try:
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X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice"
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X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "imps/2"
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in your lts.conf
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then reboot the thin client
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<MRH2>
tried imps/2 and the mouse was all over the place current device is "/dev/psaux" - will try the above
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<MRH2>
no change unfortunately - but thanks
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<Gadi>
MRH2: you can try also:
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X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/null"
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X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "imps/2"
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<MRH2>
with the above changing the gnome setting to left handed mouse has no effect (buttons still function as a right handed mouse)
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<MRH2>
anything else I could try?
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:)
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<Blinny>
There anything wrong with ltsp-discuss list? I requested changes, password, and unsubscribe this morning and have yet to receive any mail from sf.net
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Still getting regular posts though..
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Scratch that - was using wrong email address! D'oh.
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<SDuensin>
How bad would it be to do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop" on an Ubuntu LTSP server?
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<huey_>
is there an easy way to make the ltsp not turn the monitor off after a certain amount of time?
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<Remaille>
hi :-)
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happy to find this chan !
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
hello / bonjour
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<SDuensin>
Hi Remaille
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<Remaille>
stupid question (and i googled a lot) : how could i create a user ? my thin client is asking for a username+pass
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which is quite common indeed...
15:58
but which one ?
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I did $ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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and #adduser test
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gave the UNIX pass
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what else ? thanks
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<SDuensin>
Are you wanting to log on to the thin client machine locally?
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<Remaille>
yes, i have the thin client next to me with the prompt screen
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<SDuensin>
The text console?
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<Remaille>
at the moment, I am on the lstp server
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no, on the thin client, it is the grpahic one (X is ok)
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Ubuntu : username :
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<SDuensin>
Don't add the user in chroot. Just add them to the LTSP server.
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<Remaille>
really ? because i tried to connect with my usual login/pass
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no succes
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maybe one can"t connect twice
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<SDuensin>
Yup. Really.
16:02
You can connect multiple times.
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<Remaille>
ok it works !
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but not with the account i am using at the moment !
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<SDuensin>
Progress!
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<Remaille>
yes :)
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If some of you knows how to connect twice, it could be nice
16:04
I ma testing for my schools where i teach
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<Remaille>
by the way thanks a lot SDuensin
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<vagrantc>
many programs such as GNOME and Firefox don't behave sanely with multiple concurrent logins
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<Remaille>
ok, not a good idea so
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<jd_joe>
First time here: I've found lots of info on setting up the Server and configuring it but I'm looking for info on the Thin Client part of the equation. I'm sure it's obvious to most of you, but how do you get the client box to boot off the LTSP server?
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<Remaille>
you mean how to wake up all the thin clients ?
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<jd_joe>
Yes...and do the thin clients have an OS on them?
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<vagrantc>
jd_joe: typically, you either enable PXE or network boot in bios, or it will prompt about PXE/netboot configuration during the initial boot-up.
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
jd_joe: no OS for a network boot. some thin clients today ship with embedded OS's, but thats not how LTSP works.
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<vagrantc>
jd_joe: LTSP doesn't typically install an OS *on* the client, but it boots and OS from the network...
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<jd_joe>
I've seen that option in the BIOS settings of some of my newer computers but not on the older ones. I thought this would be an ideal solution to put the older boxes back to work. I'll look again, more carefully this time.
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<alkisg>
jd_joe: for older computers that don't support pxe booting, you can use gpxe and a floppy/cd/hd: http://etherboot.org
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<jd_joe>
Thanks alkisg.
16:21
Thanks to all of you.
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<SDuensin>
jd_joe - I hit eBay and picked up some IDE->CF adapters to boot non-PXE boxes with Etherboot.
16:21
Instead of a spinning hard drive or an old floppy, it fires up from a compact flash card.
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They were like four bucks. :-)
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<vagrantc>
SDuensin: what did you put on the CF card?
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<jd_joe>
This gives me some things to try. I appreciate all the help.
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<SDuensin>
vagrantc - It acts like a hard drive, so I just use the etherboot stuff.
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
jd_joe: check out bootable network cards for DisklessWorkstations.com ... plug & play another alternative to alkisg, SDuensins solutions
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<vagrantc>
jd_joe: what are the specs for hardware? i.e. processor and ram, mainly.
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SDuensin: sure.
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<jd_joe>
The whole LTSP sound so useful that it almost seems to good to be true. I can't wait to try it.
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<vagrantc>
SDuensin: i guess i was mainly wonder gPXE vs. etherboot...
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
jd_joe: how did you find out about LTSP?
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vagrantc: they are merged projects now, right?
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<vagrantc>
jd_joe: it's not without flaws, but it's definitely *very* useful :)
16:25* SDuensin doesn't know what gPXE is.
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
gPxe = Etherboot. etherboot.org
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<vagrantc>
i haven't looked for a couple months...
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<jd_joe>
My hardware is varied but right now I don't have anything less than a P4 1.6GHz with 256 RAM.
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<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM_: the impression i get is etherboot is more or less dead or in bugfixes only mode, and gpxe is where majority of development is going on...
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<epsas>
hmm - i guess this question is in a faq somewhere... but is it possible to allow a client to mount cdroms and usb drives from their terminal?
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<jd_joe>
DistroWatch and the new release of K12Linux F10 Live Server.
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
vagrantc: i think your on the right track ... etherboot realized no point in doing something different, so gPxe is opensource PXE, and apparently there is some additional debugging features, etc ... included ... i think nubae has more info
16:28
jd_joe: ok thanks for letting me know. Good luck. This is the place to come for any technical questions. Also visit wiki.ltsp.org and k12linux.org and join the mailing lists.
16:29
<vagrantc>
jd_joe: i'd be surprised if those didn't support PXE built-in.
16:29
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
epsas: yes
16:29
<jd_joe>
Thanks CAN-o-SPAM.
16:29
<johnny>
epsas, why woudl you want to do that?
16:30
it should just work when you plug em in
16:30
<vagrantc>
epsas: the user may need to have access to mount fuse filesystems... on debian/ubuntu, this is done by adding to the fuse group
16:31
epsas: by the way, if you ever come to portland, you should drop by freegeek
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<jd_joe>
Thanks again everyone. I've got testing to do. :)
16:33
<johnny>
i should drop by freegeek
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<epsas>
vagrantc - I am sure to stop in FreeGeek when I get to Portland
16:33
one of these weekends when i am settled in more
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<warren>
epsas: that works automatically on the modern LTSP distributions
16:36
<epsas>
okay - we are obviously running an old system then
16:36
<warren>
CentOS based LTSP is really realliy old
16:36
epsas: LTSP 4.2 stopped around 2004
16:36
<epsas>
how can I find the versions of LTSP I may be running?
16:37
(This is my second day of 'owning' the network, so I am still rusty...)
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<vagrantc>
epsas: it's probably 4.2, unless it's actually older than 4.2 ...
16:39
LTSP5 was pretty much a total redesign
16:40
integrating it more directly into the distros, built from the host distro, using distro-specific packages
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<epsas>
okay
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<javiercito53>
hi, i just have a little question, i want to install two servers and i have one server with 2gb ram and the other with 1gb ram, is it ok to assume that is the best to have the one with more memory as a main server?, or would be better to have the other one as main server for taking better the advantage of the resources?
17:35
<Lns>
javiercito53: Define "Main server".
17:36
And how many clients?
17:36
What are the CPUs in each server? Full specs would help
17:39
<javiercito53>
Lns: the "main server" will be used to run additional services, hold users files, and network boot thin clients. this is according to the edubuntu documentation, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/multiple-server-setup.html
17:39
I have 15 clients, and the servers are 2 Pentium IV 2ghz
17:43
<Lns>
javiercito53: in that case I would definitely recommend using the beefier server for the 'secondary' server, as the boot/file server really doesn't have to be too fast. It would be good to have the larger storage space on the primary since the user files are stored there.
17:46
<javiercito53>
Lns: thanks a lot!!
17:47
<Lns>
javiercito53: good luck!
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<vagrantc>
javiercito53: you might even be better off taking memory out of the one server and adding it to the other server...
18:01
if it's an option
18:01
or even not bother to have two servers at all ... the additional load of LTSP is pretty miminal.
18:03
<javiercito53>
vagrantc: taking memory out of one is not an option because they have full slots, but i will try to use only one, and if it has memory enought i would let it that way, thanks
18:04
<vagrantc>
good luck
18:11
<Lns>
oh my gosh, I <3 WoL!!
18:11
Simple technology, outrageous potential (especially for computer labs!)
18:13
<vagrantc>
i've never managed to get it to work...
18:13
<Lns>
awww, but now it won't work!
18:13
it worked the first time :(
18:13
I shut down via LDM and it won't turn back on. lemme try hitting power button to see if it maybe an ldm thing
18:15
ah, what the crap. now it doesnt work. worked the first time though.
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18:28
<Lns>
Is ethtool used during ltsp client bootup?
18:31
ha! found the issue. ethtool disables wol during ltsp client bootup. You have to use 'ethtool -s eth0 wol g' to re-enable wol (like from an init script in the chroot)
18:31
http://fixunix.com/suse/125729-wol-not-working.html
18:33
<SDuensin>
Anyone know the recommended way to run KDE (and not GNOME) using LTSP and Ubuntu?
18:34
<vagrantc>
so we could have an lts.conf parameter to handle WOL stuff, i'm guessing...
18:34
<Lns>
vagrantc: that would be sooooo nice
18:35
<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "man ethtool" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/235
18:35
<Lns>
This is so cool. I've already done the auto shutdown to save power, now i can use WoL to power them up and not annoy the techs to do it every morning before the students come in. :)
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<Lns>
Strange how it DID work the first time, though. Seems ethtool must change something after it's woken up by WoL, but not if simply powered on... ?
18:39
or maybe some other tool that calls the same type of option. I just know ethtool will re-enable the functionality.
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<kaos01>
whats ltsp-update-image used for ?
18:50
<SDuensin>
It updates the image built from the chroot files.
18:50
<kaos01>
only needed for NBD ?
18:51
<SDuensin>
Run it anytime you change the chroot.
18:51
<kaos01>
but isnt /opt/ltsp/i386 mounted, where is teh image used ?
18:52
<SDuensin>
Dunno that. I don't use NBD.
18:52
<kaos01>
either do I :)
18:52
<Lns>
kaos01: ltsp-update-image is for NBD setups only. It updates the nbd image. NFS users don't need it.
18:52
<kaos01>
thanks
18:53
<Lns>
np
18:54
<SDuensin>
Does LDM use the GDM conf values? How do I limit the available session types on my terminals?
18:56
<Lns>
SDuensin: afaik ldm doesn't use gdm in any way, it's a total replacement for ltsp
18:56
<Ryan52>
SDuensin, you can't.
18:56
<SDuensin>
How do I configure it?
18:56
<Ryan52>
SDuensin, what do you need to change?
18:56
it doesn't replace all of the features.
18:56
<SDuensin>
I want GNOME gone.
18:57
<Ryan52>
SDuensin, if you really want to limit it, then edit ldminfod on your server to not list GNOME.
18:57
(requires python knowledge, tho :D)
18:57
or uninstall gnome, obviously.
18:57
<SDuensin>
looking for that
18:57
Yea, I tried that. Dunno how to uninstall it. "apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop" doesn't do anything.
18:57
<Ryan52>
you'll have to edit the code, and it'll get overwriten on upgrade.
18:58
SDuensin, so rather than fix the problem correctly you're asking how to work around it? tsk tsk.
18:58
:P
18:58
one sec.
18:58
<Lns>
SDuensin: "apt-get --purge remove ubuntu-desktop"
18:58
<SDuensin>
Hacking (at this point) works.
18:58
<Ryan52>
Lns, that shouldn't remove it, tho, right?
18:59
cause the gnome packages aren't marked as automatically installed.
18:59
<SDuensin>
Here's what happens:
18:59
Reading package lists... Done
18:59
Building dependency tree
18:59
Reading state information... Done
18:59
Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed
18:59
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
18:59
So, nothing.
18:59
<Ryan52>
one sec.
18:59
<Lns>
Ryan52: Ryan52 ah that's right
18:59* Ryan52 waits for dpkg to think.
18:59
<Ryan52>
SDuensin: dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop | awk
18:59
wait.
18:59
SDuensin: dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop | awk -F: '{print $1}'
19:00
the output of that will tell you which package you need to "apt-get remove"
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<SDuensin>
It's thinking.
19:00
gnome-session
19:00
Kinda makes sense. :-)
19:00
<Ryan52>
ya, so remove that package.
19:00
:D
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<vagrantc>
SDuensin: apt-get autoremove ?
19:02
<SDuensin>
vagrantc - I do that by habit. :-)
19:02
<vagrantc>
SDuensin: it just want's pulling it in?
19:02
<Ryan52>
vagrantc, I don't think it's marked as automatically installed.
19:03
<SDuensin>
Oh, the desktop? Beats me.
19:03
<Lns>
how can the DRBL people say that a suitable client is a PIV 200MHz??
19:03
<vagrantc>
oh well.
19:03
<SDuensin>
GDM shows "Failsafe GNOME" - need to go see what LDM says yet.
19:04
Why does nothing work? <sigh>
19:05
<Lns>
SDuensin: it's a sign to take a break. ;)
19:05
<SDuensin>
No kidding.
19:05
I have a nice KDE desktop that won't launch any apps. Perfect! The best lockdown you can get!
19:05
<Lns>
lol
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19:36
<bopols>
can somebody help ... login at the terminal fails .. ltsp boots but it won't accept the username and password which is valid at the server.
19:36
<vagrantc>
!release
19:36
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
19:37
<vagrantc>
bopols: ^^
19:37
<bopols>
debian lenny
19:37
<vagrantc>
ok :)
19:37
that's me :)
19:37
<bopols>
thanks
19:38
<vagrantc>
!debver
19:38
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
19:38
<vagrantc>
!vers
19:38
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "vers" is not a valid command.
19:38
<SDuensin>
Try: ltsp-update-sshkeys;ltsp-update-image
19:38
Then reboot the terminal.
19:38
<vagrantc>
donn't use ltsp-update-image!
19:38
<SDuensin>
Why?
19:38
<vagrantc>
it will only waste time, as Debian uses NFS by default.
19:39
<SDuensin>
Ah
19:39
<vagrantc>
bopols: trying ltsp-update-sshkeys might be worth it ...
19:39* SDuensin is on Ubuntu.
19:39
<bopols>
trying ...
19:40
no luck
19:41
i installed last Saturday
19:41
<vagrantc>
!ver
19:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
19:41
<vagrantc>
bopols: please try running that *exact* command, and pasting it to the pastebot
19:41
<bopols>
ok
19:41
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
19:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
19:43
<bopols>
ver? that command is not valid in root terminal
19:43
<vagrantc>
bopols: the command that ltspbot pasted
19:43
dpkg --root ...
19:43
<bopols>
ok
19:43
:D
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<ltsppbot>
"bopols" pasted "ver" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/236
19:47
<SDuensin>
Dang man. KDE4 looks horrible over VNC.
19:48
<vagrantc>
bopols: ok, looks like a clean lenny install :)
19:48
bopols: so, did it ever work?
19:48
<bopols>
no
19:49
<vagrantc>
bopols: can you ssh to that server and log in as the same user and password?
19:49
<synchris>
kde4 looks horrible by it;s own
19:49
;p
19:49
<bopols>
yes
19:49
cat /etc/passwd
19:49
<vagrantc>
bopols: what happens when you try to log in?
19:49
<bopols>
ops
19:50
at the graphical screen, it says verifying username ....
19:50
and then it goes back to the login promt
19:51
<vagrantc>
bopols: does /etc/X11/Xsession exist on the server?
19:51
bopols: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
19:51
<bopols>
yes
19:52
<vagrantc>
bopols: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
19:52
<bopols>
yes
19:52
it exists
19:53
<vagrantc>
bopols: could you please copy and paste the results of that command?
19:53
bopols: i can't help you if i can't find out what's on your computer.
19:53
<bopols>
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3517 2008-03-08 12:13 /etc/X11/Xsession
19:53
<vagrantc>
ok.
19:53
bopols: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display x-session-manager | egrep currently
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<bopols>
link currently points to /usr/bin/gnome-session
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<vagrantc>
bopols: are you logged in as the same user in another location?
19:55
i.e. from the server's GDM session or something
19:55
<bopols>
no, i disconnected all other unnecessary computers
19:56
<vagrantc>
bopols: logged into the server itself?
19:56
<bopols>
at the server (freshly rebooted), i logged in as user1 then opened 3 root terminals
19:56
then at the terminal i tried logging in as user2 and user3
19:57
<vagrantc>
ok.
19:57
same problem with them all?
19:57
<bopols>
yes with the two terminals
19:57
<vagrantc>
bopols: any /home/*/.xsession-errors files?
19:57
<bopols>
let me see
19:59
nothing on user2 and user3
19:59
but on user1 w/c i also tried logging-in at the terminal whilst logged in at the server, i have this:
19:59
(gnome-terminal:5958): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
19:59
Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
20:00
those are the contents of .xsession-errors
20:01
hmmm ... actually there were more in the file above those error lines
20:01
<vagrantc>
bopols: could you paste the contents of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
20:02
using the pastebot, of course
20:03
<bopols>
ok
20:03
<vagrantc>
bopols: you used the defaults when you ran ltsp-build-client, or did you use any custom commandline options?
20:04
<ltsppbot>
"bopols" pasted "lts.conf" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/237
20:04
<bopols>
defaults
20:04
<vagrantc>
looks like all the defaults
20:04
<bopols>
yes
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<vagrantc>
bopols: ok, let's add two parameters to lts.conf: SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_08=shell
20:06
bopols: then reboot a thin client ... this will open a root shell on the thin client's console, so be sure to disable it later
20:06
<bopols>
ok
20:07
rebooting thinclient
20:08
ok ... the graphical login screen is here
20:09
<vagrantc>
i actually haven't tested a plain lenny install in a while, as i've been working on the packages in experimental ... but i'll switch back to plain lenny on my test environment, as it'd be good to test now that lenny is in "deep freeze"
20:09
<bopols>
should i expect a graphical screen?
20:09
<vagrantc>
bopols: ok, so ctrl-alt-f8 ...
20:10
<bopols>
should i try logging in now?
20:10
<vagrantc>
bopols: lets look at the log files first...
20:10
<bopols>
i got root at the terminal
20:10
<vagrantc>
bopols: is there a /var/log/ldm.log ?
20:11
<bopols>
no
20:11
none
20:11
<vagrantc>
ok, switch back to tty7 ...
20:11
try logging in
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<bopols>
at the terminal?
20:12
<vagrantc>
from ldm
20:12
<bopols>
i will do ctrl-alt-f7?
20:12
<vagrantc>
sure
20:12
alt-leftarrow would probably also work
20:13
<bopols>
verifying passwd, please wait.
20:13
(kinda lost w/ the tty7 terminology. he he he)
20:13
<vagrantc>
no problem
20:14
<bopols>
still verifying
20:14
<vagrantc>
ok, ctrl-alt-f8
20:14
look for /var/log/ldm.log ....
20:14
if it's not there, there's some other poking around we can do ...
20:14
<bopols>
can i do a tail -f on somethingWAIT
20:14
WAIT
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<vagrantc>
?
20:16
<bopols>
am sorry, when u asked me at first about the ldm.log file, i searched for it at the server root terminal
20:16
anyways, the ldm.log file is in /var/log at the terminal root terminal
20:16
:D
20:16
terminal
20:17
terminal's root terminal
20:17
it is in there
20:18
<vagrantc>
ok
20:18
bopols: did the login fail and return back to the login screen?
20:20
<bopols>
looks like it failed because i am back to the graphical login screen.
20:21
<vagrantc>
bopols: anything useful in /var/log/ldm.log ?
20:22
<bopols>
i think so. how about this ...
20:22
... connect to host ... port 22: connection refused
20:23
<vagrantc>
firewall on your server?
20:23
<bopols>
yes it has
20:23
shorewall
20:24
i have to look at it
20:24
my my
20:24
<vagrantc>
all the usual suspects were running out ... sounds like that's likely it :)
20:24
<bopols>
ah yes!
20:25
i have changed the ssh port to other than 22
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20:26
<bopols>
i can ssh to the server because i used the correct port number
20:26
where can i configure the ltsp login to also the correct ssh port number?
20:27
if that is not possible then i just have to set the ssh port back to 22
20:29
<vagrantc>
i forget if it supports that ...
20:29
<bopols>
vagrantc, thanks a lot for your time
20:29
it NOW WORKS!
20:30
i set it back to port 22
20:30
<vagrantc>
bopols: SSH_OVERRIDE_PORT
20:30
<bopols>
where is that
20:30
<vagrantc>
bopols: though that may only be in newer versions
20:30
<bopols>
hmmm ... i will stick to port 22 for the moment
20:30
<vagrantc>
sounds good. :)
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<bopols>
yes it is
20:30
he he he
20:31
<vagrantc>
i need to make a troubleshooting checklist...
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<bopols>
yes please. ha ha ha.
20:32
i bet u have encountered this before.
20:33
i will have to leave u for now. thanks again.
20:33
<vagrantc>
bopols: enjoy!
20:33
<bopols>
u too.
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<laserdrill>
Hi all. This is my first time with LTSP5 / Ubuntu 8.04 on AMD 64 X2 processor. I am trying to change the default resolution from 800x600 at 60Hz to 1024x768 at 75Hz. I have created a lts.conf and run ltsp-update-image --arch i386 (the clients are i386). But the resolution remains at the defaut. i have rebooted both the server and the client a few times. Any assistance would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
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<johnny>
laserdrill, the default is what the monitors say it supports
23:14
the highest
23:15
of course.. older ones often lie
23:15
you don't need to run ltsp-update-image if you put the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
23:16
<laserdrill>
johnny: Thanks for responding. it is a 19"monitor that can support very high resolution. it is connected to an nvidia card with 128mb ram, so it can easilty do 1024x768
23:17
<johnny>
sure
23:17
what did you put in the lts.conf ?
23:17
<laserdrill>
I can't understand how the ltp.conf has no effect
23:17
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
23:18
This is where I put the file according to the instructions I read.
23:19
<johnny>
yes
23:19
ltp.conf ?
23:19
you don't need to run update image
23:19
what are the contents
23:19
!pastebot
23:19
<ltspbot>
johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
23:19
<laserdrill>
This is the content of the file:
23:20
<ltsppbot>
"laserdrill" pasted "lts.conf" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/238
23:20
<johnny>
try [default]
23:21
not [DEFAULT]
23:21
<laserdrill>
I wonder at the last line though.
23:21
ok, will change "defaut"
23:21
<johnny>
drop the last line
23:21
so.. have you tried without ?
23:21
anything?
23:22
<laserdrill>
dropping the last line
23:22
rebooting terminal
23:23
<johnny>
laserdrill, so did you try without anything?
23:23
or just [default]
23:24
<laserdrill>
just [default]
23:24
well the resolution now looks better but the color looks wrong.
23:24
this is encouraging
23:26
ok, the resolution is 1024x768 now. looks great. But the refresh is still 60Hz
23:27
will attempt to change X_VERTREFRESH FROM "43-61" TO "43-75" perhaps?
23:30
Yep, 75Hz now
23:30
Thanks a lot Johnny!
23:31
<johnny>
i didn't do anything
23:31
but ok :)
23:31
<laserdrill>
(Y)
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