IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 November 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<mikky>
hi, ltsp-build-client "ends abnormally" even thouh there were no errors mentioned, not even warnings
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using latest ubuntu's ltsp-server package
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<abeehc>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com the output maybe
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<mikky>
su - workaround does not work
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it fails just after "I: Extracting adduser..."
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<mikky>
there is no other useful output
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not even with --debug
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<abeehc>
i'm not sure what su workaround you are talkin about
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<mikky>
"error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally." just after "I: Extracting..."
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and thats it
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<abeehc>
you are running the command as root?
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<mikky>
ofcourse
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<abeehc>
that sucks
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your host is all the way up-to-date i guess?
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<rudie>
hello again alkisg
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<mikky>
"su -" workaround is mentioned in some bugreport I googled. It's actually the only answer I found in fisrt two google pages on that particular error message
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fresh install
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<abeehc>
could you linke me to the su url?
00:15
we are talking 10.04.1 eh?
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<mikky>
http://tinyurl.com/2unywqj
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lucid, yes
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it might not be ltsp's problem, but I have no idea where to look since there are no error messages
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I guess something gets wrong when a package is to be extracted. but I did not find that particular code ltsp is using
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<abeehc>
hm I didn't run into that recently
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<mikky>
what method does ltsp use to get and extract packages?
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<abeehc>
and i did a build-client on lucid last week
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i think it uses apt i dunno
00:21
I would try and activate the root account on your server
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and run the script that way
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<mikky>
I run it as root logged in directly from getty
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if that's what you have in mind
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otherwise I don't follow :)
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<abeehc>
more or less yeah i just wondered if you were getting root with sudo -s
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<mikky>
I tried that as well, sudo, su, direct login..
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<abeehc>
i'm just lookin around my lucid system sec
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<abeehc>
i'm not the most experienced person in here, but i suspect you've missed prime time as far as the pros go
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/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client has some stuff
00:25
i think it uses your server's sources.list maybe
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<mikky>
been there but you just gave me an idea :) sec
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<abeehc>
cool gl
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<abeehc>
the end result is that it never makes /opt/ltsp/i386, correct?
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<mikky>
well, it's there, but almost empty
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just debootstrap, etc and var
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<abeehc>
hmm
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<mikky>
a pre-install enviroment I guess
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as in package manager configuration
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all packages get downloaded to chroot but none gets extracted as the extraction fails for some reason
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<abeehc>
yeah maybe apt is messing up; alkisg is one of the pros i think
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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<mikky>
mornin'
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<abeehc>
so maybe restate your problem a bit he's smarter than me
00:30* alkisg can look at the irc logs in a few minutes...
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<abeehc>
ty
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<mikky>
in a nutshell - ltsp-build-client fails with "error: LTSP [something] ended abnormally" just after "I: Extracting adduser..."
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<abeehc>
i guess you have to clear /opt/ltsp/arch before you try ltsp-build-client each time eh?
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<mikky>
it's the first line sayin Extracting, which probably means that there is a problem with package extraction
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<abeehc>
it has worked for me a number of times in that environment so it's lame but i wonder about the basics
00:32
running out of hd space? :|||\\\
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<mikky>
nope, 9gigs
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<mikky>
I purge /opt/ltsp prior each try
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sorry - 8.3gigs :)
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<abeehc>
maybe fiddle around in that dir, like chroot your self in there and see if apt complains with something intelligible
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<mikky>
that's what I'm trying right now :)
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<alkisg>
mikky: what server/chroot arch?
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<mikky>
i386/i386
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<alkisg>
Can you try this?
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sudo -i
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mkdir /tmp/lucid
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cd /tmp
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debootstrap lucid /tmp/lucid
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<mikky>
wait a sec, I just might got it
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ofcourse, stupid me
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<mikky>
there was another problem prior to this
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<alkisg>
What was it?
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<mikky>
I installed the server from within running debian system
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via debootstrap
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and there was some weird bug with tar
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complaining about descriptors or something, don't remember exactly now
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<alkisg>
Sounds messy :)
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<mikky>
it actually was a confirmed bug :)
00:41
there was a workaround, a simple wrapper for tar, adding the --touch option
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<alkisg>
Ah, I think I read about that
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<mikky>
but for some reason, ltsp's debootstrap (which imho should be the same) did not like the wrapper
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<alkisg>
Didn't that bug get solved some weeks ago?
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<mikky>
if it was, the fix wasn't included in lucid
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s/wasnt/isnt
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<alkisg>
I saw this one, which is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tar/+bug/539814
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<mikky>
I'm not sure if it was an ubuntu bug.. iirc the running debian's tar was used
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and that was some unupdated etchy
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anyway, thx for tips - lead me the right way :)
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<alkisg>
Any kernel < 2.6.22 would fail, what I posted above was an upstream bug
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<mikky>
check, 2.6.18
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<alkisg>
I'm just worried if your server is ok or somehow broken :)
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<mikky>
server should be fine
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it's a testing machine anyway
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<alkisg>
(because of the initial debian => lucid bootstrap)
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<mikky>
I don't think that should cause any troubles
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everything was installed in chroot and all files came from latest packages
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I even installed ubuntu's latest debootstrap
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it's quite improbable someone else would run into the same problem :)
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but anyway, I may fill in a feature request for --debug option: adding bootstrap log
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Hyperbyte>
Morning. :)
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<muppis>
Evening.
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<Hyperbyte>
Well, yeah... if you're going to be picky... afternoon here. :-)
09:01
<muppis>
Ok, it's afternoon here also.
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<Hyperbyte>
It should be afternoon in Finland as well actually. =P
09:01
Yeah... :D
09:02
What temperature is it over there (day/night) ?
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<muppis>
:D
09:03
0... +10 C for now, but forecast shows dropping below 0 at weekend.
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<Hyperbyte>
Oh, that's not too bad
09:04
It's ~ 15 C here now, ~ 5 C during the night
09:06
<sbalneav>
!greeting
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "greeting" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
!status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<sbalneav>
Hmm, where's ltspbot?
09:08
ltspbot: status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<Hyperbyte>
Wasn't it here already just now? :P
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<sbalneav>
wierd, it says it's connected, but it's not actually responding
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<Hyperbyte>
Ohh
09:10
Apart from in the public chat, you mean? :)
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<Gadi>
anyone here happen to have a script to change the system-wide settings of openoffice to save in MSOffice format?
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<sbalneav>
!greeting
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "greeting" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ogra> would make a good wishlist bug though :)
10:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: got a favor to ask of you
10:22
I am having problems getting our disklessworkstations.com term 1520 to work with dual monitors. It's an atom-based thin client, and when I boot with two monitors plugged in, the ldm comes up stretched across both monitors
10:22
however, when I attempt to log in, the connections appears to reset
10:22
here's the logs:
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dmesg: http://pastebin.com/Njg7cBCK
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ldm.log: http://pastebin.com/bvpRKqk5
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messages: http://pastebin.com/jshDiYLB
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syslog: http://pastebin.com/TQpQ78Y6
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I am seeing in the messages log, that the client appears to the NBD connection when I attempt to log in.
10:24
however, that may be because the client disconnects/reconnects and gets back to the ldm screen
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<glj>
Is it possible to dual boot WinXP and Ubuntu thin client from the hard drive?
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<Appiah>
as in , not pxeboot?
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<glj>
Using etherboot
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<Appiah>
can you put etherboot on disk? if so , then yes
10:49
<glj>
I have some computers that use etherboot on the hard drive but those computers don't have a WinXP partition.
10:49
<Appiah>
install grub? :)
10:50
maybe windows own parition stuff can handle it
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<glj>
The method I used to get etherboot working on the non-winxp machines actually overwrites the partition table. I can't let that happen on the WinXP machines obviously.
10:52
<Gadi>
glj: http://etherboot.org/wiki/windowsntloader
10:52
that may help
10:52
<Appiah>
yaay
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<glj>
I'll check that out. Thanks.
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<alkisg>
glj: if you don't mind going through a greek UI (clicking next/next/next), we've forked debian win32 loader so that it uses gpxe for booting over the network
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So you can just install that on an xp machine with just a few "next/next" clicks
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<glj>
I am not very proficient with this, so I don't understand what alkisg is telling me to do.
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<alkisg>
glj: I'm saying that instead of manually installing grub, we've made a windows setup.exe that installs grub and gpxe for you
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The downside is that the installer user interface is in greek, so you'll have to "blindly" press the "next" buttons
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The menu "Boot from network" is in English...
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ltsp_loader_0.1.5.exe: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2136.0;attach=1941
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It's an automated method to do the same thing that is described on the http://etherboot.org/wiki/windowsntloader page. Works on 2000/XP/Vista etc
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<glj>
So that will allow the user at boot to select whether to start winxp from the local drive or to start a thin client session from the server?
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<alkisg>
Right
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And it uses the windows boot loader for that
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So it doesn't mess up your MBR etc
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<glj>
Sounds good. I'll try it.
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<alkisg>
Screenshot of the installer: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2136.0;attach=1065;image
11:06
so just keep pressing the right button until it finishes, that's all...
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<glj>
Good thing I've been studying Greek for the last year!
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<alkisg>
:D
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<glj>
Thanks!
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<alkisg>
As soon as gpxe gets into Debian, we'll make a proper package for it, internationalized and all...
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: What's the favour?
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<glj>
alkisg: The LTSP_Installer worked perfectly! That allows me to set up the school computer lab just the way I need it. Thank you very much!
11:46
<alkisg>
glj: you're welcome
11:47
glj: send an email to the fellow teacher that maintains it, I've asked him to add an english translation but he doesn't think anyone will use it, so that'll help him :)
11:49
<glj>
Where do I get his email address?
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<alkisg>
I think it shows in the installer... have a look when you run it at another client
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<glj>
OK
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<highvoltage>
sbalneav: I tried to register on the new wikisite, but the wiki says Access Denied when I complete the registration process
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(I know it's not supposed to be done yet, I'm just nagging :p)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: ping?
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_:
13:34
Pong
13:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: oh hello :)
13:34
<sbalneav>
highvoltage: Hmmm, can you try it now?
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: two questions. First, what's the link for the new wiki for LTSP?
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<sbalneav>
highvoltage: I'm getting things set up now.
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_UsUrPeR_: I'm still in the process of setting it up.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
13:35
second, above I had asked if you could take a look at some logs.
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would you like me to PM you what I had asked originally?
13:36
I am confounded
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: Set a line in /etc/hosts:
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188.40.72.242 wiki.ltsp.org
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
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<sbalneav>
We haven't moved over the dns entries yet.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh, ok
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<sbalneav>
The old data will be available (hopefully) under the "OldWiki" link on the side.
13:37
I've got what appears to be some of the data there.
13:37
I don't, however, have the uploaded files yet.
13:38
As for the logs, sure, IM me
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav, ok, thanks
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<highvoltage>
sbalneav: will do in a bit, running from one meeting to edubuntu weekly meeting now :)
14:04* Gadi shakes his fist at squashfs
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<sbalneav>
Well, the wiki's beginning to take shape.
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<Gadi>
ok, guys. anybody know a way to get mksquashfs to append files to an existing squashfs image such that it does NOT make alternate directories? there is a -no-duplicates, but it obviously does something different than what I want
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<vagrantc>
gadi, wherefor art thou gadi
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<highvoltage>
the giggling gadi?
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<glj>
My ltsp thin clients run with much lower screen resolution than the graphics card and monitor are capable of. The file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf has only one line XSERVER=vesa.
16:41
Where do I start to try to get better resolution than 640x480?
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<staffencasa>
glj, X_MODE_0=1024x768 is the line you add i believe
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<glj>
BTW, if I change the lts.conf file to say XSERVER=auto, the boot process never reaches the Ubuntu logon window.
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staffencasa: I'll try that.
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<glj>
Unfortunately, that had no effect.
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The LTSP thin client is a Dell Optiplex GX270 with an Intel 82865G integrated video adapter. Shouldn't an lts.conf with the line XSERVER=auto work?
16:57
The screen is displaying two signicant comments: "Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting" and "Error: Ioctl/1.1a failed: Bad file descriptor"
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<staffencasa>
glj, I'm not sure what that is. you might want to try XSERVER=i810
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just to make sure that's not the issue. I don't see auto as one of the valid values
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<Kyle__>
glj: YOu may also be able to specify fbdev as the X driver.
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<glj>
Actually, I tried that earlier. It seems like anything other than XSERVER=vesa just stops the boot process dead in its tracks.
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<alkisg>
glj: X_HORZSYNC=30-88 and X_VERTREFRESH=30-88
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...but you need to find the correct values for your monitor, the above are for 1024x768@85Hz
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<Kyle__>
glj: Humm. That's weird actually. FBDev is _very_ well supported, and vesa is more or less an older version of the same thing.
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<glj>
After making the additions given above, my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file has four lines in it: line 1: "XSERVER=vesa", line 2: "X_MODE_0=1024x768"
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<alkisg>
What about [Default] on top?
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Also, prefer XRANDR_MODE_0 to X_MODE_0, because it gives the user the ability to lower the mode
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<glj>
line 3: "HORZSYNC=30-88" line 4: "VERTREFRESH=30-88"
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<alkisg>
And, what are you getting now? signal out of range?
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<glj>
Oh, sorry, first line is [Default]
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<alkisg>
Ah, those are wrong, you forgotten the X_ in front: X_HORZSYNC etc
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<glj>
Oops!
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<alkisg>
What monitor is that? Crt? Lcd?
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<glj>
I had the X_ in the file
17:21
It's a CRT
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<alkisg>
And, what are you seeing now when the client boots?
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<glj>
The Ubuntu screen shows up, then disappears, then the Ubuntu logon screen appears. Then logging on gives a resolutio of 640x480.
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<alkisg>
Try completely removing X_MODE_0
17:24
Also put your final lts.conf to pastebin for doublechecking...
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<glj>
Sorry! The pastebot doesn't work for me. I must be doing something wrong but I don't know what.
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<alkisg>
Try paste.ubuntu.com
17:33
Or copy/paste here, it's just 4 lines...
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<glj>
line 1 is [Default]
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line 2 is XSERVER=vesa
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line 3 is X_HORZSYNC=30-88
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line 4 is X_VERTREFRESH=30-88
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<alkisg>
Did you reboot the client with that lts.conf? Are you still getting 640x480?
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<glj>
And the result is 640x480 resolution after rebooting
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<alkisg>
Open a terminal on the client, and run: xrandr
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What do you get?
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<glj>
minimum, current, and maximum are all 640x480
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<alkisg>
OK, now run: ltsp-localapps xterm
17:37
An xterm will open. On that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
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What do you see?
17:39
<glj>
It restates the lts.conf statements and then says export XSERVER, export X_HORZSYNC, and export X_VERTFRESH
17:39
<alkisg>
Nice. Next, try: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
17:41
(you can re-join the #ltsp channel from http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp if you want to easily paste stuff from the client)
17:41
<glj>
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02)
17:42
Kernel modules: intelfb
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00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24d2] (rev 02)
17:43
That's all
17:44
<alkisg>
OK. Now from the xterm: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and then paste that to some pastebin, e.g. paste.ubuntu.com
17:45
Btw, you'd get the best performance (hardware acceleration etc) if you tried to make your card work instead of using vesa. E.g. for 82855 I had to use a newer kernel...
17:47
<glj>
That last command you had me run produced lines than I can read by scrolling through the whole thing.
17:48
Is there some particular part of it that you want to see?
17:48
<alkisg>
Lines starting with EE, lines that say why specific modes weren't selected etc
17:48
Can't you pastebin all of that?
17:51
<glj>
The first part won't be in the paste because its too long. I'll paste what I can get at.
17:52
<alkisg>
You can scp the file to your server if it makes it easier for you
17:53
<glj>
Well, I pasted what I could to paste.ubuntu.com under the name glj
17:54
<alkisg>
The link is needed for us to see it
17:54
<glj>
paste.ubuntu.com/525345
17:55
<alkisg>
Ati? (--) MACH64(0): ATI 3D Rage XL or XC graphics controller detected
17:55* alkisg is confused... ati or intel?
17:55
<glj>
intel
17:56
<alkisg>
Is that the Xorg from the xterm, or from gnome-terminal?
17:56
xterm = client, gnome-terminal=server...
17:57
<glj>
Oops! I think I accidentally got into the wrong window. Let me try that again.
17:58
<alkisg>
Anyway /me needs to leave in a couple of minutes, getting late here, hope someone else will continue with the helping...
17:59
Also remember to try deleting your whole lts.conf and putting "nomodeset" in pxelinux.cfg/default like I said above
17:59
<glj>
Thanks for your help.
18:00
Does nomodeset go on its own line?
18:00
<alkisg>
Right next to "quiet splash"
18:01
So, no
18:01
<glj>
to the left or right?
18:01
<alkisg>
It doesn't matter
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<alkisg>
After trying nomodeset, on 2 more reboots, try replacing nomodeset with "i915.modeset=0" or with "i915.modeset=1" - one of those 3 might work - but remember not to use your existing lts.conf with the vesa directive
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<glj>
Hey! The nomodeset gave me a resolution of 1024x768
18:05
<alkisg>
Nice, you probably also have hardware acceleration now
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<alkisg>
Time to go, bb
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