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Channel log from 6 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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01:17
<astroboy>
vagrantc: I keep getting "line 13: bad subnet declaration 255.255.255.0" .. can I run it past you via pastebot ?
01:17
<vagrantc>
astroboy: sure. though i had best sleep soon
01:18
<astroboy>
Ok .. one minute ..
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<ltsppbot>
"aastroboy" pasted "Bad subnet declaration" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/22
01:20
<astroboy>
Hmm .. *astroboy .. see line 13 ..
01:21
<vagrantc>
astroboy: i would comment out lines 5-9
01:22
<astroboy>
I tried that before but was told eth0 had no declared subnet ..
01:22
<vagrantc>
i've never seen a subnet with a specific ip address.
01:23
astroboy: configure it in /etc/default/dhcp3-server to only listen on eth1
01:23
or /etc/default/dhcpd
01:23
or something like that
01:23
<astroboy>
OK. I've hda no luck with WS01 - which has an etherboot set up about 2 yrs ago with Jim's help.
01:24
<vagrantc>
well, with that error, my guess is your dhcp isn't working.
01:25
<astroboy>
I'll comment out 1-9. /etc/exports is ok, but don't know about tftpd ..
01:25
<vagrantc>
and why are you trying to force a PXEClient to load an etherboot image? that's almost certainly not going to work.
01:25
<astroboy>
Yup, that's what I thought but was assured it would be OK. There is a template somewhere for changing that.
01:26
Sorry, 5-9.
01:26
<vagrantc>
the "else" clause is for etherboot
01:26
PXE does not typically understand the format of etherboot "nbi" generated files.
01:27
what's wrong with pxelinux ?
01:28
you might also need to add a line: next-server 192.168.0.1 ;
01:28
or whatever the ip for your NFS server is.
01:28
<astroboy>
I've got nothing against pixies, I mean pxelinux, it's just that it was installed ~2 yrs ago & just worked .. problem free
01:28
<vagrantc>
where's the kernel image from?
01:29
<astroboy>
rom-o-matic.net .. as I remember.
01:29
<vagrantc>
because, if you haven't also copied in the appropriate /lib/modules/ bits, and if the kernel version is compatible with all the other software in the environment ...
01:30
rom-o-matic produces etherboot roms .... what's "vmlinuz.etherboot" ?
01:30
and this is with an ltsp5 installation?
01:31
<astroboy>
No, an earlier version .. compatible with 5 ?
01:31
<vagrantc>
earlier version of what?
01:33
the kernel?
01:33
ltsp?
01:34
<astroboy>
Ah, I put the etherboot line in for the image on the floppy in WS01 - otherwise untouched. I can comment it out in favour of pxelinux.0
01:34
<vagrantc>
etherboot downloads whatever DHCP tells it to download.
01:35
<astroboy>
Well, ltsp just worked - except for one unrelated reinstall - so I've neglected ltsp and had a bit of a shock to understand how much it has changed/progressed.
01:35
<vagrantc>
so, i would recommend sticking with the defaults with ltsp5 ... if you try downloading something else, it is highly likely to be incompatible with something. the whole idea of ltsp5 is to use things like the kernel from the distro it's running.
01:36
<astroboy>
Hence my earlier confusion with ltsp-utils and the other pkg.
01:36
OK, I'll go with the defaults.
01:36
How does one configure tftpd without ltspcfg ..
01:37
<vagrantc>
well, if you've installed debian's tftpd-hpa package, the defaults should work fine.
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<vagrantc>
if you've installed atftpd, you have to do a little bit of configuration...
01:37
and if you've installed some other tftpd, you're on your own.
01:38
<astroboy>
"tftpd-hpa is already the newest version.
01:38
"
01:38
.. so it has to be dhcpd.conf
01:39
<vagrantc>
so, after commenting out those lines in dhcpd.conf, and restarting dhcp, whats happening?
01:40
oh, and editing /etc/default/*dhcp* to only listen on one of your network cards
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<astroboy>
.. just commented them out, /etc/default/dhcp3-server is on eth1 ..
01:44
/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [?]
01:45
<vagrantc>
sure
01:45
or to be proper
01:45
invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
01:46
<astroboy>
Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics.
01:46
invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed.
01:46
<vagrantc>
look in /var/log/syslog
01:46
<astroboy>
checking syslog ..
01:47
No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0).
01:47
?
01:47
<vagrantc>
i don't know.
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01:47
<astroboy>
There are different dhcpd.conf files ..
01:48
<vagrantc>
hrm?
01:48
<astroboy>
Sorry to keep you up ..
01:48
Mar 6 20:43:09 localhost dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
01:49
<vagrantc>
what's ifconfig eth1 say?
01:49
<astroboy>
Good point ..
01:50
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:D9:C7:6F
01:50
inet6 addr: fe80::2a0:ccff:fed9:c76f/64 Scope:Link
01:50
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
01:50
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
01:50
TX packets:0 errors:481 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:962
01:51
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
01:52
<vagrantc>
looks like it doesn't have an ip address ... hence the 0.0.0.0
01:53
so configure /etc/network/interfaces
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03:04
<str4nd>
or /sbin/ifconfig <ip address>
03:04
no...
03:04
/sbin/ifconfig <interface> <ip address>
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<zald>
how do i start the print server on thin client using the usb device module?
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03:33
<_EXP>
can anyone know how to calculate bandwidth demands for lts clients?
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03:34
<_EXP>
or how many clients you can put in 100Mbit line?
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05:43
<cliebow_>
gOOD morning LTSP!!
05:43
<Jenna>
ola cliebow_
05:46
<cliebow_>
hola!!
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07:03
<PMantis>
Can anyone help with formatting?: grep '10.0.0.1|172.16.0.1|192.168.0.1' /var/log/secure
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08:05
<zald>
hi how do i customize the per user application to my ltsp server
08:06
<jammcq>
zald: same way you always would
08:06
it's an application running on a server
08:06
nothing special there
08:08
<zald>
okay thanks jammcq
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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08:25
<cliebow>
.0jjkScottie!!!
08:25
hmmm
08:31
<sbalneav>
Not sure what that said, but thanks for the greeting cliebow!
08:31
:)
08:33
<cliebow>
secret Sanskrit greeting..have a special keyboard for it
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08:50
<sbalneav>
ok
08:51
Check this out.
08:51
go to pastebot.ltsp.org
08:51
<cbx33>
ok
08:51
<sbalneav>
pastey pastey
08:51
<ltsppbot>
"cbx33" pasted "Not Working C++ code" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/23
08:51
<cbx33>
very fancy
08:51
<sbalneav>
Now, isn't that cool? :)
08:51
<cbx33>
very
08:51
does it fix it for me?
08:52
:p
08:52
can u see why it's not working
08:52
forget the cout
08:52
that won't work
08:53
<sbalneav>
1 sec...
08:54
<cbx33>
think i fixed one bit of it
08:54
it was cos i never did anything with entries after initialsing it
08:54
<ltsppbot>
"cbx33" pasted "Imporved broken code" (40 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/24
08:55
<cbx33>
now I'm getting errors hang on
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<zald>
how do i accomplish this on thin client, i just want the thin client to have a program like application for browsing and email client?
09:15
<sbalneav>
zald: Do you want the thin client to use the one on the server?
09:15
If so, just install a browser and email client on the server.
09:15
cbx33: hmmm
09:16
Sorry, one of my staff was in, their niece was in the hospital.
09:16
lemme look at the def'n of GOptionEntry... one sec.
09:16
<zald>
i just want to limit the application the thin client is accessing to my server
09:17
how do i accomplished this? like i dont want them to have application like prompting them the root password for my server
09:17
yes exactly that i want to accomplished, just browser and email client
09:18
<sbalneav>
Use something like sabayon to create a minimal profile for your users
09:20
<zald>
hehe okay thanks sbalneav , let me check that. 100x tnx
09:22
<sbalneav>
NP
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<cliebow>
PMantis:!!
09:31
<PMantis>
Hey cliebow
09:33
<cliebow>
ho
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<mrchicken>
hello?
09:37
<pscheie>
mrchicken: hello
09:40
<mrchicken>
Hi, I am trying to get ltsp running on a workstation
09:40
and I get this in mylogs
09:40
recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
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09:49
<sbalneav>
Well, that could come from something under LTSP, or not.
09:49
<mrchicken>
actually its this:
09:49
<sbalneav>
Why don't you tell us where it stops working for you?
09:49
<mrchicken>
Mar 6 10:35:07 ltsp in.tftpd[6413]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
09:49
Mar 6 10:35:13 ltsp in.tftpd[6414]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
09:49
Mar 6 10:35:22 ltsp in.tftpd[6416]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
09:49
Mar 6 10:35:55 ltsp in.tftpd[6419]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
09:49
sMa
09:49
it doesnt boot
09:50
<sbalneav>
First, what linux distro are you trying this under? And what version of LTSP are you using?
09:50
<mrchicken>
FC4 and ltsp 4
09:51
ltsp-utils-0.25-0
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09:53
<sbalneav>
OK, have you got dhcpd running? netstat -anp | grep dhcp
09:53
<cliebow>
mrchicken, can you verify tftp s listening..for the hell of it with netstat -anp|grep ":69"
09:53
or what sbalneav says 8~)
09:54
<bricode_>
Looks like it's trying to do a TCP operation on a UDP socket?
09:54
<sbalneav>
mrchicken: as well, paste your dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot
09:54
!pastebot
09:54
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:55
<mrchicken>
hrmmm I think I was missing a package to install
09:55
hold on :$
09:56
(please)
09:56
<cliebow>
sbalneav:heh flood the channel with !pastebot will you?
09:57
<sbalneav>
That's what we've got him/her/it for :)
09:58* bricode_ thinks pastebot is sexy.
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10:47
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
buenas!
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
oh forgot. here is an english
10:47
hi! O:)
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11:01
<mrchicken>
I'm back :)
11:01
Now where were we? Oh yes, me asking for your help :P
11:02
Mar 6 11:59:17 ltsp in.tftpd[7109]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket
11:02
Can anybody help me out here? I dunno what could be wrong :(
11:03
please
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<mrchicken>
the output of netstat -anp|grep ":69" is:
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<mrchicken>
[root@ltsp log]# netstat -anp|grep ":69"
11:05
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 1683/xinetd
11:08
<cliebow>
looks great..
11:11
<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "ltsp in.tftpd[7109]: recvfrom: Socket operation on non-socket" (40 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/25
11:17
<cliebow>
can you try another terminal orcard?dhcpd looks fine
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11:22
<sbalneav>
What does the xinetd file for tftp look like?
11:22
I think it's in /etc/xinetd.d
11:24
<mrchicken>
ok lemme see
11:25
[root@ltsp xinetd.d]# pwd
11:25
[root@ltsp xinetd.d]# ls
11:25
chargen daytime-udp eklogin krb5-telnet rsync time-udp
11:25
chargen-udp echo gssftp kshell tftp
11:25
daytime echo-udp klogin ktalk time
11:25
./etc/xinetd.d
11:27
<ltsppbot>
"MRChicken" pasted "tftp for xinetd" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/26
11:27
<mrchicken>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/26
11:31
<sbalneav>
So, does the client lease an IP address?
11:32
<mrchicken>
yes
11:32
it does
11:32
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
edulinux use ltsp . is a debian based distro?
11:33
<mrchicken>
Mar 6 12:22:57 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.99.247 (192.168.99.4) from 00:0c:29:58:09:60 via eth0
11:33
Mar 6 12:22:57 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.99.247 to 00:0c:29:58:09:60 via eth0
11:35
<sbalneav>
Just the ack?
11:36
not an offer and reply?
11:36
<mrchicken>
lemme pastebin the whole thing
11:37
<sbalneav>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: edulinux? You mean edubuntu?
11:37
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
no
11:37
edulinux.cl
11:37
they said debian based but have screenshot of instalation same like any red hat based distro
11:37
<sbalneav>
Never heard of it.
11:37
<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "..." (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/27
11:38
<mrchicken>
can you be speaking about K12LTSP?
11:38
<sbalneav>
ok, it has leased an IP address
11:38
<mrchicken>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/27
11:39
Is the output of me trying to boot
11:41
<sbalneav>
You might want to add some -v flags, per http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TFTP#xinetd_style_edit_etc_xinetd_d_t
11:41
that may put more stuff in the log
11:42
Ah, is this just the plain tftp server, not atftpd, or tftpd-hpa?
11:42
<mrchicken>
yes sir
11:42
its in.tfpd
11:43
i installed it via yum install tftpd-server
11:43
i installed it via yum install tftp-server
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<sbalneav>
yeah, that one won't work with pxe
11:45
try installing atftpd
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<mrchicken>
thnx
12:12
again
12:12
Mar 6 13:10:57 ltsp atftpd[7576]: Error from tftp_get_packet
12:12
Mar 6 13:10:57 ltsp atftpd[7576]: recvmsg: Socket operation on non-socket
12:12
Ma
12:12
:(
12:14
<sbalneav>
You've got something goofy going on.
12:14
hm
12:14
what does your fstab look like?
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hey
12:18
<mrchicken>
hrmmm
12:18
lemme find the fstab
12:19
I cant find any
12:20
no fstab file
12:22
<sbalneav>
no /etc/fstab?
12:23
what does /proc/mounts show?
12:24
<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "No fstab" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/28
12:24
<mrchicken>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/28
12:25
thats the proc/mounts
12:27
<sbalneav>
hm, thought maybe there was a o=nodev in there somewhere,
12:27
doesn't look like it.
12:31
brb, gotta grab something.
12:31
<mrchicken>
Just found the damned fstab
12:32
dunno why it was hiding
12:32
<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "fstab" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/29
12:51
<mrchicken>
u there>
12:55
<bricode_>
mrchicken: try adding a ,tcp to the end of the root-path option
12:55
like so: option root-path "192.168.0.254:/var/lib/diskless/default/root/,tcp";
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<mrchicken>
k lemme try that
13:04
<Sp0oKeR>
hi all
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<mrchicken>
bricode_ no luck :(
13:41
<bricode_>
mrchicken: Humm. Well don't know what else to suggest except changing the tftpd server you use.
13:53
<mrchicken>
I just did
13:53
I am using now atftpd
13:54
which one do you suggest?
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: atftpd should be fine. fc4 uses xinetd to run services. can you paste /etc/xinetd.d/tftp to our pastebot?
13:59
<L-5>
howdy folks. i'm trying to set up ltsp. I get a xdm login screen. when i log in w/ valid user/password, screen "flickers", the shows me the xdm login again
14:00
the user's .xsession-errors shows Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
14:00
and .Xauthority is empty
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<jammcq>
L-5: in that users homedir, look for a .Xsession-errors file, or something liek that
14:00
does .Xauthority have the right perms ?
14:00
ie, can the user read it?
14:00
<L-5>
0600
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<jammcq>
who owns it?
14:00
<L-5>
the user
14:01
<str4nd>
>_<
14:01
<L-5>
shouldn't xdm be putting a magic string in there?
14:01
<jammcq>
yeah
14:01
<L-5>
how can i find out why it isn't?
14:02
<jammcq>
umm, dunno
14:02
what distro?
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<L-5>
centos 4.4
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<L-5>
or is there any way to convince to workstation to allow everyone to connect?
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<mrchicken>
ok
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<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "less /etc/xinetd.d/tftp" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/30
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<mrchicken>
jammcq ... just pasted it
14:08
<jammcq>
looks ok. what are you doing, when you get your error?
14:08
<mrchicken>
trying to boot
14:09
I have VMWARE Workstation on my pc... and i'm making it boot from the network
14:09
<jammcq>
you have your virtual nic bound to a real nic ?
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<mrchicken>
yes
14:10
I have it bridged
14:10
acts like a different iface
14:10
<jammcq>
yeah "bridged" was what I was looking for
14:10
i use vmware all the time, and i've done lots of virtual thin clients
14:10
<L-5>
X connection to ws253.ltsp:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
14:10
<jammcq>
that's how an awful lot of ltsp was developed and tested
14:10
<L-5>
grrrr!
14:11
<mrchicken>
hehehehe, yeah rebooting and see if it works is definetly not the way to go :)
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<jammcq>
well, that, and did you ever try to take a real thin client on an airplane, and test it while flying?
14:11
doesn't go over very well
14:11
<mrchicken>
lol
14:13
anyway
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<jammcq>
what version of dhcpd ?
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<whiprush>
I need to switch from ldm to gdm, and my /etc/X11/default-display-manager points to /usr/sbin/gdm-binary
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am I missing something?
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<jammcq>
whiprush: no, not at all
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<mrchicken>
lemme get it
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<jammcq>
you need to add a line to your lts.conf file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
14:15
in the [default] section, add:
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SCREEN_07 = startx
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then, over on your server, configure it to allow remote xdmcp connections
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<whiprush>
ok, thanks.
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<mrchicken>
jammcq ... weird... rpm tells me no dhcpd is there but there is a dhcpd
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<jammcq>
look for dhcp-server
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as a package
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or, do this: rpm -qa | grep dhcp
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it'll show all things dhcp
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<mrchicken>
just did
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and it only shows dhcpipv6 client and the dhcp standard client
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
.j mysql
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<jammcq>
well, where'd dhcp come from?
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<mrchicken>
as long as I remember yum install dhcpd :P
14:23
brb gonna grab a bite. I'm starving
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<whiprush>
jammcq: worked awesome, thank you
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<mrchicken>
will u be here in half hour?
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<jammcq>
have a chicken sandwich
14:23
i'll be around
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<mrchicken>
its 4pm :P
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<jammcq>
whiprush: no problem-o
14:24
<L-5>
wheee!!!!!!!!!!!! i got it working
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<jammcq>
L-5: do tell
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<L-5>
the problem was that i didn't have KDE nor Gnome nor even twm installed on the server
14:24
<jammcq>
well, that'll cause a problem
14:24
<L-5>
how... what WM to use...
14:25
what's a nice small wm, but still nice looking?
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<jammcq>
icewm or xfce
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<L-5>
wow. i thought xfce looked like ass. not the case at all
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now to find RPMs for it
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<mistik1>
there have been some really lovely themes made for xfce of late
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<cliebow>
L-5:what..downwardly mobile are we?? rpms?
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<L-5>
cliebow : eh?
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<cliebow>
ohh nothing..just a shameless plug..
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<L-5>
for?
15:38
folks : what do you figure is necessary, ram-wise, on the server per-user?
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<L-5>
danke
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<L-5>
damn. the scroll wheel isn't working
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<L-5>
ok, other question : how do i set the background of the xdm login screen to something other then the crosshatch?
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<agliodbs>
hey, gonna see Jim at FISL?
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<jammcq>
I'll be there, you too ?
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<agliodbs>
yep
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if you look at the speaker list, I'm right above you
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so this time I'll have to go with you guys for dinner
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<jammcq>
agliodbs: looking forward to it
19:25
ok kids, see ya'll tomorrow
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<vagrantc>
scotty ??????
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<jammcq>
hey
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<sbalneav>
hey hey
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, we need to finish up that ltsp-release tool
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so that Vagrantc and ogra can get it included in their respective distros
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<vagrantc>
what's ltsp-release?
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<jammcq>
just like lsb-release, only better :)
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
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<jammcq>
ltsp-release would exist on a server, and tell you release information about the ltsp chroot(s)
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<vagrantc>
nice.
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<jammcq>
yeah, it just needs a simple file in the chroot, showing version info. it'll also read the lsb file in the chroot
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so, by default, it'll just have the lsb stuff
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sbalneav: what was the name of that lsb file that contains those key-value pairs?
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<sbalneav>
umm
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hold on,...
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<vagrantc>
reading "the lsb file" in the chroot won't work with debian. by default it doesn't exist.
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<jammcq>
etc/lsb-release
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<vagrantc>
you probably need to run lsb_release within the chroot
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<sbalneav>
it's /etc/ltb-release
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<vagrantc>
yeah, which is optional.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: can't run things inside the chroot, cuz it might not be x86
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yes, well, can't depend on files that won't be there either :P
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<jammcq>
the ltsp spec should call for there at least being a etc/ltsp-release file being there
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<vagrantc>
sure.
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<jammcq>
I can handle a file being there or NOT being there a whole lot easier than I can deal with trying to run different architectures
21:44
<vagrantc>
i've been thinking we should have something like that for a while
21:44
<jammcq>
well, might as well get started now, eh?
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should be possible to get ogra to include it before feisty goes out
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and what's the status of etch?
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ogra: ping
21:45* jammcq wonders where ogra has been lately
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<jammcq>
!seen ogra
21:45
<ltspbot>
jammcq: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 10 hours, 21 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <ogra> jammcq, sbalneav, pong pong
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: etch is deeply frozen, so no new features.
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<jammcq>
well, their loss, I guess :)
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<vagrantc>
this is the point in the debian release cycle where developers feel stifled for not being able to update things.
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<jammcq>
how long is that supposed to last?
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<vagrantc>
should've been released in december
21:48
<jammcq>
yeah, I know
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<jammcq>
any word on when it "might" be released?
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<vagrantc>
not much, really.
21:48
<cstextiles>
For Accessing LTSP Server from Windows any client software available?
21:48
<jammcq>
maybe they should pay those release manager guys again, eh?
21:49* vagrantc suspects that delayed the release more than helped it
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<jammcq>
cstextiles: sure, you could install an Xserver on your windows box, or you could install vnc or NX
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cstextiles: it really has nothing to do with LTSP, it's basic Windows->Linux interoperability
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vagrantc: yeah, that's why I said it
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<vagrantc>
bringing money into a overwhelmingly volunteer project... it's tricky.
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<cstextiles>
jammcq: No What i require is that the windows user can use The Linux LTSP through his normal Windows Machine and vnc cannot do that as it enables us to share present session but i want to start new session
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<jammcq>
cstextiles: then install an Xserver
21:51
<vagrantc>
cstextiles: so use an X server and login through xdmcp.
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<whiprush>
cstextiles: loot at xming: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming
21:51
er, look
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<jammcq>
and it's NOT LTSP that they are accessing. LTSP is an operating system for thin clients
21:52
<whiprush>
not really ltsp but it will probably do what you want.
21:52
<jammcq>
LTSP gives thin client access to a Linux server. YOU have a WINDOWS machine that you also want to give access to a Linux server
21:52
there's a few free Xservers, and some commercial Xservers for windows
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: have y'all had a chance to reflect and post a summary of what you and sbalneav worked on the past few days?
21:53
<sbalneav>
Boy, if only I had a witty, informative blog to read that had the latest in new developments from Gnome and Ubuntu, my life would be perfect.
21:53
<jammcq>
sbalneav: :)
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<whiprush>
:)
21:54
<jammcq>
vagrantc: most of what we did was get our own minds around how LTSP-5 works now. basically reviewing what you and ogra have been doing
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oh yeah, and we fixed the pastebot :)
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<whiprush>
sbalneav: I've been replacing sunrays with ltsp thin clients all week.
21:54* vagrantc is happy to see the pastbot back in action
21:55
<sbalneav>
That, and beginnings of dbus.
21:55
and steak
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and beer
21:55
So I hear!
21:55
<jammcq>
oh yeah, we had an awesome conversation on saturday night about how to get priveleged things to run
21:55
<whiprush>
jammcq: hey SoC for mentors is accepting apps.
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<cstextiles>
Is there any way by which i can enable the user to access LTSP Server just like rdesktop enables in Linux to access Windows Terminal Server?
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<sbalneav>
Going well, hopefully?
21:55
<jammcq>
whiprush: yeah, we should do something about that
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cstextiles: YES, you need an Xserver for the windows machine
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I can say it a few more times if you'd like
21:56* vagrantc doesn't feel any need to repeat
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<whiprush>
jammcq: my student definately wants to apply, and I need failover/load balancing, sounds like a good idea to me.
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<jammcq>
yeah
21:56
sure does
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whiprush: I'll be at Diskless tomorrow afternoon, perhaps I can focus my attention on getting that little project started
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<whiprush>
jammcq: we're doing his application tomorrow as well.
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<whiprush>
the SoC window is pretty small, which kind of sucks
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<jammcq>
whiprush: when's the deadline?
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<whiprush>
like, in a week or something, let me find out
21:58* jammcq guesses the deadline is today
21:58* jammcq is getting tired.
21:58
<whiprush>
March 12: Mentoring organization application deadline
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<sbalneav>
cstextiles: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=windows+X11+server&btnG=Search
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<whiprush>
they only started accepting applications yesterday
21:59
<vagrantc>
what SoC projects did folks plan to propose?
21:59
<jammcq>
failover and clustering
21:59
<whiprush>
vagrantc: I have a student who wants to tackle load-balancing
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<vagrantc>
nice.
22:00
like, super-fancy load-balancing, or just simple stuff?
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<whiprush>
I think that depends on time/difficulty
22:00
but even simple stuff would be useful for me, and I imagine other people.
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<vagrantc>
heh.
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<whiprush>
if SoC declines our CS department will hire him for the summer anyway.
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so I guess it would be win/win for ltsp
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<jammcq>
yep
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<whiprush>
we've got the hardware on site ready to go, so he'll have everything he needs, I'm pretty pumped up about it actually.
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<vagrantc>
seems like you could do simple round-robin DNS style load-balancing pretty easily ...
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<whiprush>
and I've got more hw coming, I want to do an ltsp-dev lab, where we can run bleeding edge ltsp/ubuntu and test code for you guys.
22:03
I would love to test ogra's pulse stuff but right now I'm not setup for that
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<vagrantc>
i miss having a whole lab of computers to play with.
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<whiprush>
not me. :)
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i was about ready to find another job.
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but then ltsp saved me, heh.
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which is ironic, if I would have listened to jammcq a few years ago I wouldn't have painted myself in the corner with those sunrays
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vagrantc: yeah even simple DNS load balancing would be great for me.
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<bricode_>
whiprush: How are those Sunrays? Does Sun tie you to everything Sun based?
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<whiprush>
bricode_: if you ever see one, run away.
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<bricode_>
whiprush: Don't look into the Sun?
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<whiprush>
we hacked them up so the closed software ran on ubuntu, but they weren't very stable
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the entire thing is closed.
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<bricode_>
Humm. Craptacular.
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<cstextiles>
In our wiki http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XWindowsServersForMicrosoftWindows It is mentioned that X-Deep/32 http://www.pexus.com/index.html freeware is freeware but that has been discontinued kindly update the wiki?
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<jammcq>
wikis are "community built". free for anyone to update
22:14* jammcq is getting too grumpy. I better head to bed, before I really piss someone off. See ya'll later
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<cstextiles>
Ok I changed that
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<edgarin>
Hi jammcq!
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<sbalneav>
jammcq turned in for the night.
22:31* vagrantc wonders what jammcq turns into at night
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<sbalneav>
Dirk Deadly, international man of Danger!!!
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<cstextiles>
!XWindowsServer
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<ltspbot>
cstextiles: Error: "XWindowsServer" is not a valid command.
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<cstextiles>
??XWindowsServer
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!XServer
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<ltspbot>
cstextiles: Error: "XServer" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', and 'you are wonderful'
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<cstextiles>
vagrantc: Where to get the list of all commands of the ltspbot?
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<vagrantc>
cstextiles: i have no idea.
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cstextiles: but those are the most useful ones.
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cstextiles: it doesn't have the information you're looking for probably. i would recommend using some of the URLs whiprush pointed out earlier.
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<cstextiles>
vagrantc: no i got information I was just testing the info about i.e. getting all the info
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<sbalneav>
!you are wonderful
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "you are wonderful" is thanks
22:49
<sbalneav>
heh
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<vagrantc>
i only remember the factoids stuff because i used to use
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!topics
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<sbalneav>
someone needs a hug
22:49
<vagrantc>
you are wonderful didn't work out as well as i'd hoped.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn love as love
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!love
22:50
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "love" is love
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<sbalneav>
See, you just need the right catchphrase. :)
22:51
Actually:
22:51
ltspbot: forget love
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn love as all there is
22:51
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!love
22:51
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "love" is all there is
22:51* vagrantc chuckles
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<sbalneav>
\o/ for Beatles!
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