IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 September 2016   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<xekhz>
im having a little problem with sound and ltsp5
00:00
i have really slow thiclients and with rdesktop i cant get sound working properly, all the clients have same sound card
00:02
<razielle_tzu>
do you get any sound at all?
00:03
<xekhz>
yes..
00:04
but if a open a session with 2 different users only one can use sound..
00:06
<razielle_tzu>
!sound
00:06
<ltsp`>
sound: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
00:07
<razielle_tzu>
aside from google this is the only thing i can think of, i don't know enough about the issue to be of help
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07:53
<xekhz>
good day...
07:54
yeastarday i droped a question..
07:54
how can i have more then one client via rdesktop using sound ?
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07:57
<pxeguy>
yo alkisg
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08:00
<xekhz>
anyone awake ? :)
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08:01
<ToeiRei>
don't think so
08:04
but, I'd just ask and see if your question wakes up someone who knows
08:04
<xekhz>
how can i have more then one client via rdesktop using sound ?
08:05
<ToeiRei>
so your setup is a LTSP Client that connects to a windows server, right?
08:06
<xekhz>
yes
08:06
sorry linux server
08:07
<ToeiRei>
I'm not aware of linux being able to speak rdp server ^^
08:07
<highvoltage>
xrdp
08:07
<ToeiRei>
I know that it can be a client, but hey - something new ;)
08:08
<xekhz>
yes xrdp
08:09
<ToeiRei>
okay... this scares me: Nov 10, 2013: Xrdp 0.6.1 has been officially released. (latest release)
08:10
<xekhz>
me to
08:10
...
08:14
<ToeiRei>
xekhz: just checked my distro here. Last package was made 2015. Scary.
08:16
looks like they're using vnc as a bridge to access the desktop session
08:18
so just a shot into the dark: can you access your server using vnc?
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08:21
<xekhz>
never tried
08:21
but my problem is only sound related
08:22
i have 15 clients and i want all of them to have sound
08:22
<ToeiRei>
alright - didn't get that from the first problem description...
08:22
<xekhz>
everything works except usb auto mounting and sound
08:25
<ToeiRei>
what does nmap -p 4713 <client ip> say?
08:25
I suppose it's using pulseaudio - so that bugger has to be listening
08:25
also pulseaudio -vvv might give you some clues (and tons of output)
08:27
<xekhz>
let me do that.. 2 minutes
08:28
<ToeiRei>
I have to admit I do not have a clue about the whole ltsp stuff - but I know a few basics from building linux machines from scratch
08:28
so... yeah - I can only give you a few things to check
08:32
<xekhz>
i wanted to use RDP because my thiclient only has 512mb and 1GHZ of cpu speed
08:32
and is very slow playing youtube videos
08:33
with rdesktop it works better , but the first client grabs the sound.
08:34
<ToeiRei>
what about the pulseaudio results?
08:35
<pxeguy>
yo guys, I'm busy testing out a fat client and once it finishes loading the kernel and devices, it just goes to a black screen. The only way around this is to use nomodeset
08:36
but nomodeset screws up the resolution.
08:36
I've tried from virtual box and it works fine with the resolution I've set
08:36
<xekhz>
pulse audio 4713 on the client is LISTENING
08:37
<ToeiRei>
okay. That's why any client is able to grab the sound if it's the 1st one
08:38
so it's something with the pulseaudio stuff at the server
08:39
<xekhz>
i thought that when i connect via rdp the server would redirect the sound to the client..
08:40
ON the server there is no pulseAUDIO
08:40
listening state is on the client
08:40
<ToeiRei>
something on the server sends the sound to the client
08:41
<xekhz>
it should, but it dosent..
08:42
-r sound:local
08:42
-r sound:remote
08:42
both parameters of rdesktop, make the first client grab the sound card of the server
08:43
<ToeiRei>
what's your distro?
08:43
ubuntu?
08:43
<xekhz>
yes
08:43
<ToeiRei>
looks like bug 66735 to me
08:43
that's at least what you describe
08:44
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/66735
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08:45
<xekhz>
that bug is related to LDM login.
08:45
no rdesktop
08:48
not rdesktop
08:48
<ToeiRei>
I'm currently compiling xrdp modules....
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08:54
<cyberorg>
xekhz, https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/wiki/Audio-Output-Virtual-Channel-support-in-xrdp
08:55
xekhz, if you use normal ssh connection then sound will work out of the box, any particular reason you want to use rdp?
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08:56
<xekhz>
when im using LDM login the youtube video have huge frame drop
08:57
and i can only use xfce to have a stable working env with LDM login.
08:57
with rdp and mate-session it works much much better
08:58
<cyberorg>
xekhz, you can install firefox in the chroot and use ltsp-localapps firefox
08:58
<ToeiRei>
that way you swat two bugs at once....
08:58
you know WHO is downloading too much.
08:58
<xekhz>
never tried.. will do it now...
08:59
<ToeiRei>
xrdp seems to be a bit 'outdated' regarding encryption and everything...
08:59
<cyberorg>
xekhz, best would be use fatclient mode for multimedia if your clients can handle it, need about 1G RAM
09:00
<xekhz>
cybeorg, i have 15 thinclients 512Mb with 1GHz cpu..
09:00
that is what i have in the library
09:01
<cyberorg>
xekhz, you can try ltsp-pnp with mate session
09:04
<xekhz>
i have installed firefox and im upgrading image
09:12
firefox isnt called
09:12
i run ltsp-localapps xterm
09:12
i run ltsp-localapps firefox
09:12
i can see firefox as a process in top, but i get no window
09:13
and the sys % goes berserk 89%
09:13
in top
09:14
<ToeiRei>
give it some time to start - firefix isn't the fastest starter
09:14
<xekhz>
ok, counting :)
09:17
nothing
09:18
3 minutes..
09:23
not workin
09:28
what is the lightest web browser available ?
09:37
well midori, did the trick plays the videos without any problem
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09:38
<pxeguy>
yo cyberorg
09:40
<cyberorg>
pxeguy, hi, don't know how to help you, you can boot up live media and see if resolution work, then compare lsmod and Xorg.*.log
09:41
you can also try the firmware link i sent if that is the cause
09:44
<pxeguy>
well 1024x768 works
09:44
I think anything higher just conks out
09:48
<ToeiRei>
is there any other 'modern' rdp connection stuff available than xrdp? something with encryption + auth...
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10:15
<xekhz_>
ll
10:15
back
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12:12
<alkisg>
xekhz_: which cpu model do your clients have?
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14:28
<xekhz_>
hello
14:28
again
14:28
i have 1Ghz via eden
14:31
and i found out this information how to redirect sound with socat
14:31
http://pastebin.com/haJhiXa0
14:33
it looks like each user as a virtual soundcard. i think
14:37
<alkisg>
xekhz_: can you find your cpu at cpubenchmark.net ?
14:43
<xekhz_>
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+Eden+800MHz&id=1417
14:46
it is a great cpu :) top bottom
14:46
<alkisg>
So at 800 mhz, not 1 ghz
14:46
<pxeguy>
yo alkisg
14:46
you're back :D
14:46
<alkisg>
Hi pxeguy
14:46
Not really; bottling wine...
14:46
<pxeguy>
been working on my issue the whole of today
14:46
<xekhz_>
in the specs i have 1Ghz
14:46
https://web.archive.org/web/20111128210135/http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt27.htm
14:53
<pxeguy>
it's hd 530 and I've tried setting the mode to i915.modeset=1
14:53
no avail
14:53
<alkisg>
pxeguy: you need to *not use* nomodeset and find some way to prevent the blanking
14:53
That usually happens when you get a new enough kernel/xorg that recognizes your cpu
14:53
I think you should be asking in #ubuntu-x about this
14:54
<pxeguy>
yo, yes for sure I cannot use nomodeset, it's not going to fix this issue at all.
14:54
okay will give them a shout man
14:54
it doesn't seem like an ltsp issue
15:17
<alkisg>
xekhz_: wow, 155 pasmark... that's like a bit newer than eniac
15:17
<xekhz_>
heehehe :)
15:17
<alkisg>
It doesn't make much sense to run many localapps there...
15:18
<xekhz_>
did you check the link from pastebin ?
15:18
is it possible to use the socat redirection with xfce ?
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15:26
<alkisg>
pxeguy: it's possible to add the correct mode even with nomodeset, but you're losing the acceleration, so it's not worth it
15:32
xekhz_: I haven't really worked much with xrdp, I think xorg is faster
15:32
(without encryption, of course)
15:32
There are youtube players that use xvideo that work fnie even over x
15:33
<xekhz_>
does it have encription on by default ?
15:33
xorg in the thinclient
15:35
<alkisg>
yes
15:35
You need LDM_DIRECTX=False to disable it
15:35
!directx
15:35
<ltsp`>
directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
15:36
<xekhz_>
i already have tha flag set to true :(
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15:46
<alkisg>
!screen_02
15:46
<ltsp`>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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16:01
<alkisg>
xekhz: get a root shell on the client, and run: getltscfg -a, and see if LDM_DIRECTX is there
16:09
<xekhz>
yes it is there
16:11
<alkisg>
OK, that's the best you can get
16:14
<xekhz>
it is a WM problem they really big and consume to much cpu
16:14
<alkisg>
No, of course not
16:14
<xekhz>
with fluxobox its is very very fast
16:14
<alkisg>
firefox is fast with fluxbox?
16:14
<xekhz>
with xfce fast...
16:14
yes firefox is usable with fluxobox
16:14
<alkisg>
I've tested with 5 window managers and without window manager
16:15
I didn't see the result you're saying
16:15
Compositing makes things a bit slower, but not that much slower
16:15
And xfce, mate, gnome-flashback and lxde can be used without compositing
16:15
In non-compositing window managers, the performance is exactly the same, with or without a window manager
16:15
So I don't agree with what you're saying
16:16
<xekhz>
maybe i cant get xfce compositing off
16:16
or gnome-flashback.
16:16
but i see better performance with fluxbox and xfce
16:16
so there must be another thing messing the performance
16:18
<alkisg>
Usually in such old clients, the bottleneck is 100% cpu in xorg in the client side
16:19
<ogra_>
is there even still a working xorg driver for these things ? or do they defaut to something like vesa or fbdev
16:19* ogra_ woders if the openchrome driver is even still maintained
16:19
<alkisg>
Which is due to the cpu, the graphics driver, the xorg architecture, and the toolkit used (gtk etc), but not due to the window manager
16:20
<xekhz>
i agree 101%
16:21
<alkisg>
openchrome usually has a maintainer which aims to get a release in a couple of years. No releases yet, for many many years. :)
16:21
<ogra_>
yeah
16:21
thats what i remeber from many many years ago :P
16:22
<alkisg>
!cheap-client
16:22
<ltsp`>
cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
16:22
<ogra_>
also the via eden is a plain i586 IIRC ... will become hard to till find a distro that supports them in a few years
16:22
*still
16:22
<alkisg>
xekhz: that's a good solution there ^
16:23
<ogra_>
i guess even debian will eventually drop i586 one day
16:23
<alkisg>
(i.e. replace your clients :))
16:24
i586 isn't good enough to run a desktop nowadays, even a remote desktop...
16:24
<ogra_>
yeah
16:25
<xekhz>
if my library wants to buy new hardware it will be
16:25
<ogra_>
and compared to modern atoms you will save the money you spend to get the new clients within one year in your power bill i guess
16:26
<xekhz>
did you check the script with the socat redirection to the pulseaudio
16:33
good solution for my hardware, gnome-flashback, disable composition and browser midori..
16:33
is pretty usable thinclient
16:33
the usb thumbdrive is not auto monted
16:34
..
16:34
even with localdev set to true
16:34
do i need to install something ?
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