IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 March 2014   (all times are UTC)

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08:17
<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp-pnp
08:17
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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08:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm... looks like I need alkisg again. :)
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13:05
<subsir>
hi, all
13:06
I have pretty small knowledge of terminal server but am very curious to understan (especially Linux solutions)
13:07
at the moment my company would still require some windows workstations for office people and one thing from the homepage of ltsp caought my attention.
13:07
"LTSP workstations can run applications from Linux and Windows servers"
13:08
can anyone explain what that means?
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17:09
<Henry_>
I am very interested in experience in hardware needs for server capacity when using LTSP, e.g. I have a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 2x CPU Intel Xeon (3.20GHz / Dual Core / FSB 1066MHz / Cache 2x2MB / TDP 130W / 64-bit Xeon 5060) and 32 Gb of memory (4GB Dual Rank (2R) PC2-5300F DDR2-667 ECC) than how many clients should I be able to host?
17:09
<vagrantc>
what will they be running?
17:10
<Henry_>
As a client? Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
17:10
<vagrantc>
it's *highly* dependent on use-case...
17:10
<Henry_>
I understand but a rough estimate is always nice ;)
17:11
General Office users, Ubuntu software right out of the box.
17:11
<vagrantc>
well, multimedia is going to be difficult no matter how fast your server is
17:11
at least fr thin clients
17:12
<Henry_>
Multi media excluded, LibreOffice en Firefox users
17:12
And Fat clients diskless
17:12
<vagrantc>
oh, fat clients... it could probably handle thousands
17:13
<Henry_>
Really?
17:13
That is fantastic
17:13
<vagrantc>
maybe only hundreds...
17:13
<Henry_>
Yeah CPU and Memory can be dealt with on the Fat client
17:13
<vagrantc>
fat clients don't take much
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the biggest slowdown will be the homedirs ... so you'll want a fast raid array
17:14
<Henry_>
OMG they're gonna love this ;)
17:14
<vagrantc>
if you're using the sshfs homedirs (the default), that might eat some CPU cycles
17:15
Henry_: how many were you hoping to support?
17:16
<Henry_>
50 will be enough
17:16
<vagrantc>
Henry_: you'll also want a gigabit switch
17:16
<Henry_>
146GB 15K SAS 3G 3.5" Original Del in RAID 5
17:16
<vagrantc>
100MB on the clients might be fine, though
17:16
<Henry_>
Everything is Gb network
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Server even in bonding NICs
17:17
<vagrantc>
what's your client hardware like?
17:17
<Henry_>
Everyday kinda users really
17:17
3 to 5 years old
17:17
pc
17:17
<vagrantc>
multimedia should also be fine with fatclients, at least as good as it would run on the client hardware
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though things like screen locking are a prolem on fat clients ... we're working on fixing that for the future
17:18
12
17:18
<Henry_>
12 ?
17:19
<vagrantc>
typo... new keyboard
17:19
<Henry_>
When I install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on these fat clients it rus very well
17:19
rus = runs
17:20
But we want centralized management
17:20* vagrantc nods
17:20
<Henry_>
The fast 146GB 15K SAS 3G 3.5" disks should be fast enough, wouldn't you think?
17:21
<vagrantc>
one would hope
17:21
in the end, experimentation is the only thing that can provide real answers
17:22
<Henry_>
I understand, but managers always want a business case up front :(
17:23
I will do a small pilot with one of these server as see what comes out of it, because I have a good feeling this just might work.
17:24
All users are in the same building.
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On the same network 192.168.0.0/24
17:24
very straight forward
17:24
One last question...
17:25
It is possible to access the LTSP server from a remote location. I would think not, but you never know...
17:37
<vagrantc>
it's as possible as any other computer
17:37
it's not really LTSP-specific
17:38
<bennabiy>
Usually a different technology is used, such as x2go or such
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<Guest97258>
Hi
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22:48
<pycoderf>
hi all. can anyone help me figure out why my clients cannot log in to the mate desktop but ssh works
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