IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 December 2011   (all times are UTC)

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00:33
<cheche>
I am stil having problems with LTSP. I am able to boot up from the net using a new laptop. But try to boot up with a PII 350mhz/128Mb RAM fails
00:34
it reboot itselfs when the kernel loads. no error just reboot.. try to modify image and add SHELL_02=true but no luck on this one
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00:58
<cheche>
looks like 128M was not enough. Adding 64Mb was enought to boot up.
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01:04
<andygraybeal>
nice
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01:17
<cheche>
andygraybeal: it was a shame that no error pop up somewhere.. Enable rsyslog but still no-error. This was just a lucky shot.
01:31
<andygraybeal>
:)
01:31
go cheche
01:31
i'm still having no luck with my venture w/ ltsp and ldap at this moment - i've gotten further along but still no go.
01:31
i will keep working. i've been at it since 4am friday morning.. and everyone can laugh, i don't care.
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01:32
<cheche>
andygraybeal: I thought that you go it working.
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01:32
<andygraybeal>
i did, but someone told me i had it convoluted. he told me how to straighten it out, it just hasn't worked.
01:32
<cheche>
so, what is the problem?
01:33
<andygraybeal>
basically i have no clue as to what i'm doing :) ... um.. and probably need to pay more attention.
01:33
<cheche>
:-)
01:34
<andygraybeal>
i dunno man, i'll get it soon.
01:34
i'm almost there.
01:34
<cheche>
try to start from basic and move up..
01:34
<andygraybeal>
i hvae plenty of coffee
01:34
yes, i overstretched myself.. and failed.. now i'm backing up
01:35
kind of want to start from scratch for the ninth time
01:35
i'll get it man, i am confident.
01:35
it just takes me time, longer than the others.
01:35
<cheche>
well, I am not sure... ok, so you are able to use LTSP without auth from ldap right?
01:36
<andygraybeal>
naw, i failed this time at that.
01:36
i got it previously
01:36
time and time before, but not this time :)
01:36
i know right, i can auth on the ltsp server with ldap, but the client doesn't auth with or without ldap
01:37
so ldap isn't even at play in this.
01:37
right now i'm just trying to back track until i can get auth with straight ltsp
01:37
brb
01:38
<cheche>
is the client able to auth with local username/pasword?
01:39
<andygraybeal>
client isn't authing with anything
01:39
it boots up to ldm thouhg, so that is plusses
01:40
i want to remake the image for the hey of it man.
01:40
unless you got a better idea..
01:41
i guess i can try to update kernels and ssh keys
01:41
<cheche>
still learinig how all those pieces fit together...
01:42
<bixter>
anyone have plymouth working with nvidia drivers?
01:43
<andygraybeal>
i figure tailing /var/log/auth.log would help me out, but it isn't... you got an idea of what i could watch to fin d the problem?
01:44
<cheche>
andygraybeal: if as default it uses the localhost. I guess that you changed something on the /etc/nsswitch.conf
01:45
andygraybeal: still. not sure how LTSP fit together...
01:45
<andygraybeal>
maybe so, lemme look - i've never heard of that file, but i notice it might get changed with zentyal
01:45
<cheche>
mine is "passwd: compat"
01:46
<andygraybeal>
mine: 'passwd: compat ldap'
01:47
i auth just fine on the server itself, but the client, i don't auth
01:47
to repeat myself.. sorry if you got that befor.
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01:48
<cheche>
comment that line and put "passwd: compat" . see if you can auth locally
01:48
<andygraybeal>
i'm updating image for the heck of it -- i will comment that line and substitute what you said, in a sec.
01:49
<cheche>
andygraybeal: that line is on the server. so no need to update image for that
01:50
<andygraybeal>
oh i gotcha, i already started the update, befor i read your post
01:51
it took man, i got in w/ local auth -- i hvaen't done what you said -- i did ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image
01:51
lemme try ldap auth now.
01:52
i'm in w/ ldap auth!
01:52
hooray!! omg yes !
01:52
<cheche>
i have not done anything...
01:52
<andygraybeal>
it's not kludged this time!
01:52
cheche: :))
01:52
i dunno man.. i just don't get it - but i keep trying.
01:53
thanksfor the help anyway.
01:53
i'm glad that your getting along well.
01:53
the more people that use this the awesomer it becomes :) thanks very much to the devs.
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02:00
<andygraybeal>
wow, what a relief.. now to do it all over again to make sure i can repeat this.
02:00
oh yea, i forgot my next step is to get it to be a fat client now
02:00
shouldn't be that hard from here on out now that i got auth
02:10
okay, building the fat client.
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02:45
<andygraybeal>
still building
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03:11
<andygraybeal>
still building :)
03:12
i think i'm gonna head to sleep; keep everything running
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08:57
<dobber>
old files in /home/nbdswap are not cleared properly
08:58
probably because of server restarts... ?
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09:36
<andygraybeal>
fat client build and boot successful :)
09:37
<khildin>
^^
09:37
<andygraybeal>
now to do it 4 more times to make absolutely sure and document it.
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09:37
<andygraybeal>
morign khildin :) it is a success.
09:37
not kludgey!
09:37
<khildin>
would love to read your documentation.... are you going to post it in TRAC?
09:38
<andygraybeal>
possibly, i need to do this operation like 2 or 3 more times to make sure
09:38
<khildin>
as community documentation?
09:38
<andygraybeal>
i don't know man :) howerver is best.
09:38
so i'd ask before i did anything
09:38
i've never documented anything for ltsp
09:39
<khildin>
just write down what you do, how you do it and what the result is... :)
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09:39
<andygraybeal>
i need to learn trac
09:40
<khildin>
syntax isn't that difficult.... I hate it... but not difficult... :P
09:40
<andygraybeal>
what is the ltsp trac?
09:41
<khildin>
ltsp documentation is rather fragmented... I was thinking of zentyal trac... ;)
09:41
<andygraybeal>
aaah
09:41
zentyal trac
09:42
yes, i will do both
09:42
ltsp and zentyals
09:43
<khildin>
ltsp documentation for ubuntu is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
09:43
<andygraybeal>
yea yea :)
09:43
i read that over and over and over. i wondered what you meant when you said trac :)
09:43
i was like huh?
09:43
<khildin>
^^
09:44
<andygraybeal>
i was like.. oh.. developer stuff.... of course i don't know.
09:44
but yes, i'm used to reading zentyal's trac
09:45
now for coffee!! i have a wiring project this morning.
09:46
have to be ready by 6am :) the restaurant that i co-own is closed today.
09:46
it's the only time i can work on the infrastructure when we close. it's rare enough.
09:46
<khildin>
hehe
09:46
<andygraybeal>
wiring that is
09:47
<khildin>
installing a lot of AP's? or Wall outlets?
09:47
<andygraybeal>
where going to replace our 2.4ghz phone with a 1.9ghz phone - but we want it in a different place than it is. we also want to replace the wire to another phone that was spliced by a contractor some years ago.
09:48
<khildin>
plain pstn or voip?
09:48
<andygraybeal>
proprietary hybrid. before voip... it's digital.. it's very stupid.. we are going to move to voip soon enough - but not there yet.
09:49
some phones run off of ATA some phones run direct to digital box
09:49
<khildin>
I use a simple linsys ATA
09:49
linksys*
09:50
<andygraybeal>
aah i have one of those
09:50
err.. i think i know what your talking about atleast.
09:50
you use that for home? or for business?
09:50
<khildin>
have been yelling on those dialplans long enough... lol
09:50
home
09:51
<andygraybeal>
yea, it's great for home.
09:51
give me a couple of weeks to practice this installation before i feel comfortable documenting it
09:52
i'm just happy i got it to work
09:52
<khildin>
fair enough... :P
09:52
<andygraybeal>
have you tried otrs-itsm ?
09:52
i got that integrated into zentyal ldap the other day! i was like.. woohoo!
09:53
so.. as far as it goes.. i'm getting the hang of this ldap compared to where i was a year ago. i'm gonna keep going....we have so many apps we use a tthe restaurant that i need to integrate.
09:53
i'm so excited.
09:55
<khildin>
ohh... nice!!...
09:56
I just hear you have a LOT of documenting to do!!
09:56
:P
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10:17
<andygraybeal>
:)
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13:42
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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14:41
<JerryNJ>
need some help for PXE boot on ltsp
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14:56
<alkisg>
!ask | JerryNJ
14:56
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "JerryNJ" is not a valid command.
14:56
<alkisg>
!ask | echo JerryNJ:
14:56
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
14:58
<JerryNJ>
Im having a couple issues on another LTSP build I just did
14:58
I can PXE boot from a VM, but not from a physical machine
14:58
although I know its getting an IP
14:59
it freezes mid-boot with the ubuntu logo on the client screen
14:59
!ask
14:59
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
14:59
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
14:59
<ltsp>
alkisg: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
14:59
<alkisg>
JerryNJ: try that ^
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15:00
<JerryNJ>
thanks. but im less concerned about the splash screen and more concerned that I cannot connect clients
15:00
hey Gadi
15:00
<alkisg>
JerryNJ: if you remove the splash screen, you'll see the reason that clients don't boot
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15:03
<JerryNJ>
kk i did that - rebooting client now
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15:04
<JerryNJ>
invalid card member
15:04
never saw that before
15:04
!ask invalid card member
15:04
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
15:05
<JerryNJ>
!ask alkisg invalid card member
15:05
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
15:05
<alkisg>
...I'm not a bot you know
15:05
ltsp is a bot, not me
15:06
So you can speak to me in normal english
15:06
Anyway, ignore that error, it's alsa complaining, but it's not the problem that prevents your computer from displaying the login screen
15:06
Your problem might be X-related, i.e. graphics card issu
15:06
e
15:07
You can try nomodeset, or you can try SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, from where you'll get a shell to run `X -configure` or `lspci --n -k|grep -A 2 VGA` to troubleshoot your graphics problem
15:07
!nomodeset | echo JerryNJ
15:07
<ltsp>
JerryNJ nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
15:07
<alkisg>
Good luck, bb
15:08
<JerryNJ>
trying that now
15:10
when i put in nomodeset and boot the client I get to a "boot:" command
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15:32
<JerryNJ>
!ask anyone know how I can get the server background on rdesktop connections?
15:32
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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<JerryNJ>
anyone know how I can get the server background on rdesktop connections?
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<sndwrx>
khildin: I noticed your conversation last night about PXE over wireless.
15:48
khildin: I may be going out on a limb here, but what about a base system like Plop to get the wireless card running then PXE over it?
15:49
<JerryNJ>
anyone have any info on connecting to Win 2008 R2? I get a black cursor and no background
15:49
<sndwrx>
I'd be happy to help, but I still know nothing about LTSP. :)
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<sndwrx>
I'm just hanging around in the channel to get info and ideas, leading up to my first install (which will be soon, as other projects slow).
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16:11
<JerryNJ>
can someone help me upgrade rdesktop on ubuntu
16:15
can someone help me upgrade rdesktop on ubuntu
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<JerryNJ>
!ask
16:42
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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<JerryNJ>
can I use tsclient instead of rdesktop
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18:15
<Hyperbyte>
JerryNJ, you can use anything with LTSP really
18:15
LTSP uses screen scripts to determine what to launch in the X screens
18:16
Take a look at the (if memory serves) /opt/ltsp/<arch>/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ directory
18:16
You can create new scripts there if you want, for basically anything, and then configure it on a thin client using the SCREEN_* variables in lts.conf
18:18
As for upgrading rdesktop, "apt-get upgrade rdesktop" should probably do it, if there's an upgrade available. But I think the first thing you should be telling us is, -why- do ou want to upgrade rdesktop, and -why- do you want to use tsclient (whatever that is)?
18:19
Just read a bit back in the log, if you're having a problem with rdesktop not giving you a proper login prompt, see if it does it also when you use Windows' own remote desktop tool. If it does, your problem lies with Windows 2000, not Linux or rdesktop.
18:19
<JerryNJ>
the reason is that when I connect to a W2008 R2 TS , I have a black mouse pointer
18:20
this is a problem for the end users
18:20
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
18:21
And this is with the rdesktop screen script?
18:21
Or with rdesktop launched from Gnome?
18:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ: there is a fix for that
18:22
it's actually a rdesktop bug
18:22
let me see if I can find it for you
18:22
<Hyperbyte>
:o!
18:22* Hyperbyte bows to the wisdom of the great _UsUrPeR_
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18:22
<JerryNJ>
i would appreciate it
18:22
using ubuntu lucid
18:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
here you go: http://linuxforkeysers.blogspot.com/2010/08/black-cursors-on-win72008-r2-using.html . This is something I have used to fix rdesktop on my laptop.
18:24
I am hoping you are using 10.04 :)
18:24
<JerryNJ>
i am
18:25
and i think i already tried that
18:25
but i will try again
18:25
do i need to reboot the ltsp box after?
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18:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
I don't believe so
18:27
<Hyperbyte>
Are you using the rdesktop screen script, or rdesktop from Gnome? And are you using thin clients or fat?
18:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
^^^ these are important questions
18:28
JerryNJ: if you are using screen_07 = rdesktop, I believe you will need to install the rdesktop fix on your client image.
18:28
<Hyperbyte>
Yes, and if you are using fat clients, you will need to install the binary in the client image as well, in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/
18:28
And then afterwards ltsp-update-image
18:29
And then reboot clients
18:29
*client
18:29
Server you don't have to reboot at all for this...
18:30
If you're using rdesktop from Gnome, and thin clients, you don't have to do anything after applying the fix.
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18:40
<priyank>
hi ... I want to know why this LTSP has not been a wide success ..... ??
18:40
<Hyperbyte>
It hasn't?
18:40
<priyank>
I have open up an education centre..
18:40
I am getting a good response
18:41
means It hasn't got much hype so as chrome os... i guess so
18:41
<JerryNJ>
_UsUrPeR_: I followed that article and I get a response when i do update rdesktop - 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 upgraded 1 not upgraded
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<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ: we left you a few messages above. Could you answer some of our questions please?
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<JerryNJ>
thin clients
18:43
just running ltsp-update-image now
18:43
and then i will reboot the ubuntu box
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18:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
wait
18:43
before you do that, to clarify:
18:43
you are running rdesktop how?
18:43
<JerryNJ>
ack, just reboooted it
18:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ ^^
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<JerryNJ>
yes i am running rdesktop now
18:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
how are you running rdesktop? :)
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<JerryNJ>
tftp
18:45
with pxe boot
18:45
to a w2008 r2 server
18:45
btw, after the reboot the mouse pointer is still black
18:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, is there a line in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file that looks like the following: "screen_07=rdesktop"
18:46
<JerryNJ>
ill double check, but im relatively sure
18:48
yes it reads : SCREEN_07="rdesktop...........
18:48
but alas - still have the black mouse pointer
18:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ: the reason this is not working for you is: rdesktop is running on your client
18:50
not your server
18:50
in order to make changes to the client image, you will need to make the same changes on your server, but you will need to do them in /opt/ltsp/i386
18:50
you may do this by running chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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and proceeding from that point, inside the chroot'd file system
18:51
there appears to be a working binary for i386 at ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/testbildtest
18:51
which is cool
18:51
because according to that site, the previous build was removed
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<JerryNJ>
oh
18:53
can you walk me through that
18:53
im a dumb windows guy
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<JerryNJ>
i get no such file exists when i run that chroot command
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<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ: I apologize, but I don't presently have the time to go through the minutia. Perhaps someone else can cover the details.
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<JerryNJ>
im sorry
19:08
i was able to nav to the folder
19:08
but when i run the sudo apt-get its failing now
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19:21
<JerryNJ>
!ask can someone walk me throut updating the rdesktop client on my ltsp server please?
19:21
<ltsp>
JerryNJ: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
19:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
JerryNJ: this will give you some pointers about installing and working with localapps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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<_UsUrPeR_>
remember: running rdesktop from the lts.conf (the way you have it set up) is the equivalent of running it as a localapp on the client. This is atypical of most localapps.
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<JerryNJ>
I CANT CHROOT TO THAT FOLDER
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<JerryNJ>
AAAAAAH
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<JerryNJ>
anyone here have a fix for rdesktop to alleviate the issue with the black mouse pointer?
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21:28
<Hyperbyte>
JerryNJ, you were given it.
21:28
If you want to work with Linux, you have to learn to analyse what your problem is, and work to fix it... without getting frustrated and yelling in all caps to strangers on the internet.
21:29
The fix you were given by _UsUrPeR_, was to copy an rdesktop binary to the client chroot. Where exactly are you getting stuck?
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<JerryNJ>
well
21:29
it looks like i was able to get the client updated
21:29
(i think)
21:30
but the issue still remains
21:30
unless I did something wrong
21:30
any idea how i can check if the client is the right one?
21:30
<bixter>
anyone know how i can assign better hostnames (not mac address) to thin clients? or is it best to write a script?
21:30
<JerryNJ>
i.e. the one that is fixed?
21:31
<bixter>
yeah
21:32
<Hyperbyte>
JerryNJ, get a local root shell on the client, compare file sizes of the rdesktop executable on there, with the file size of the executable it should be.
21:32
<bixter>
not sure if ltsp has something built in
21:32
<Hyperbyte>
!screen_02 | echo JerryNJ
21:32
<ltsp>
JerryNJ screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
21:32
<Hyperbyte>
bixter, what will determine the client hostname then, if not mac address?
21:33
<bixter>
a text file. didnt know if there was a config file one could write like mac = hostname
21:33
i can write onr
21:33
err on e
21:33
<Hyperbyte>
Then all your clients will have the same hostname?
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21:33
<bixter>
nah
21:34
they can look at a text file to determine their hostname
21:34
from their macs
21:34
<Hyperbyte>
Rightr
21:34
Why do you want this?
21:34
<bixter>
u know what. ill just put it in my hosts file.
21:34
<JerryNJ>
so if i get to the root shell...
21:35
<bixter>
do some aliases
21:35
<JerryNJ>
then i can tell what version i have?
21:35
<Hyperbyte>
bixter, so basically, you don't want to change the client hostnames
21:35
You want to change the DNS entries?
21:35
<bixter>
both
21:35
<Hyperbyte>
You could have your DHCPD hand out static IP addresses based on MAC, and map DNS entries to those...
21:35
<bixter>
yeah
21:36
<Hyperbyte>
As for client hostname, I don't think it's configurable.
21:36
<bixter>
yeah, thats not as important. dns will do it for me
21:36
<Hyperbyte>
Although it would be fairly easy to hack the LTSP source code to read hostname from lts.conf
21:37
JerryNJ, please read my previous comment. If you get stuck on what to do, ask... but don't make me repeat the same thing, please.
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<JerryNJ>
hyper - i dont know where to find those files
21:40
so i wouldnt know how to compare
21:40
im sorry - im not a nix proficient person
21:42
<bixter>
one more question. i have a 2GB fat client for myth that uses about 1GB of that, any reason for a network swap?>
21:43
<Hyperbyte>
JerryNJ, don't be sorry for asking questions.
21:43
Type 'whereis rdesktop'
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<JerryNJ>
i typed that and it looks like it showed me a path
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21:36<Hyperbyte>Although it would be fairly easy to hack the LTSP source code to read hostname from lts.conf ==> it currently does :)
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So bixter you can set HOSTNAME=xxx In lts.conf, under [mac:address] sections for each of your clients
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But you can also set client hostnames from dhcp
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