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Channel log from 28 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

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02:08
<bakytn>
please help!!! PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
02:08
Why this could happen?
02:08
PLEASE :(
02:08
I don't understand what happened and happening
02:08
I tried to restart the server's including the whole server
02:08
clients are not booting
02:11
<mmetzger>
bakytn: Did everything work properly recently? Anything change?
02:11
<bakytn>
mmetzger, did nothing!
02:12
this is epic fail of mine. I am on lcietns side right now. Don't know what to do
02:12
I just tried to run ltsp-update-image again
02:12
no hlep
02:12
and SSH is crashing for some reasons just preventing access to it
02:12
even after /etc/init.d/ssh restart
02:12
OO
02:13
<mmetzger>
ok, let's check a few things...
02:13
First, does the LTSP server have a firewall running?
02:14
<bakytn>
I think not.
02:15
no
02:15
it doesn't have iptables running
02:15
<mmetzger>
ok, good.
02:15
So are any of the clients still running / do you have another machine other than the LTSP server to test SSH with?
02:16
<bakytn>
yes
02:16
if we can ignore ssh thing now
02:16
can we fix TFTP open timeout issue?
02:16
please...
02:16
:(
02:16
I hyou hlelp me. I will do everhytign for you
02:16
<mmetzger>
No worries, let's see what we can do.
02:16
<bakytn>
tftp server is running
02:16
root 587 0.0 0.0 14956 148 ? Ss 08:11 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /var/lib/tftpboot
02:16
I tried to restart it
02:17
<mmetzger>
Tried & it gave an error or tried and it loaded?
02:17
<bakytn>
running fine!
02:17
restarting fine
02:17
<mmetzger>
DHCP server?
02:17
<bakytn>
sudo /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart
02:18
DHCP is working! Client is getting it's IP
02:18
and just stuck on PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
02:18
can't find proper logs to look into it
02:18
syslog is not showing anything suspicous
02:19
<mmetzger>
Which distro?
02:19
<bakytn>
Ubuntu 11.10
02:19
32 bit
02:20
<mmetzger>
just to verify, you have files like pxelinux.0 in /var/lib/tftpboot/lts?
02:28
<bakytn>
yes
02:28
mmetzger, the problem was that some machine assigned itself the same IP as LTSP server
02:28
mmetzger, and all problems happened due this..
02:29
mmetzger, stupid thing ;(
02:29
mmetzger, THANK YOU!!!!!
02:31
<mmetzger>
D'oh - stupid IP conflicts :)
02:31
Glad you found it
02:33
<bakytn>
mmetzger, phew...I could die.
02:33
:)
02:33
just kidding.
02:34
<mmetzger>
One of those things that will be forever seared in your troubleshooting mind :)
02:43
<bakytn>
mmetzger, for sure.
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09:47
<blackened>
hi all
09:47
someone online?
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09:56
<Hyperbyte>
blackened!
09:56
!ask
09:56
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
09:57
<blackened>
Hyperbyte: my LTSP client hang after "Starting LTSP client....." [OK]
09:57
I don't know how to check, but it work with laptop with better specs
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10:21
<elias_a>
blackened: Client specs? Processor, amount of memory, GPU?
10:21
Some standard PC or a thin client?
10:24
<blackened>
elias_a: toshiba dynabook 1800, 256mb
10:24
<knipwim>
did you check the logs in the chroot?
10:25
ldm and Xorg logs for instance
10:25
<blackened>
in /opt/ltsp/i386/var/log?
10:25
I don't know where to check
10:25
<knipwim>
yeah, while the client is running
10:25
<blackened>
ok, let me see
10:26
<knipwim>
you should ssh log into the client
10:26
and than check the /var/log
10:27
<blackened>
I can't do anything in client side
10:27
because it is hangs
10:27
<knipwim>
you can't login from the server?
10:28
<blackened>
yes, I can login to the server
10:28
it seem, nothing has been log
10:28
<knipwim>
i mean, when you're logged in on the server, can you login to the client via ssh?
10:29
<blackened>
how to do that? regular ssh?
10:30
<elias_a>
blackened: So the Toshiba is the non working one?
10:30
<blackened>
yup
10:32
is it because the memory to low?
10:33
I already add noacpi noapic acpi=off nomodeset into pxelinux.cfg/default, but no luck
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<knipwim>
like ssh root@<client_ip> from a terminal on the server
10:34
don't know the default password for your distro though
10:35
<blackened>
I'm using ubuntu
10:36
<elias_a>
It's got 1GHz Pentium 3. Should it work?
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<knipwim>
i believe it should, i use similar thin client, with less memory even, 128mb
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10:42
<alkisg>
blackened: put SCREEN_07=shell in your lts.conf
10:42
This will give you a shell when the client boots, without X
10:42
Then there try: X -configure
10:42
This way you'll see if it's an X problem
10:43
<knipwim>
smart, that's indeed a better debugging procedure
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10:47
<blackened>
alkisg: ok, I'l try now
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10:50
<blackened>
alkisg: still hang
10:51
alkisg: "starting LTSP client.." [OK] ....then hang
10:51
<elias_a>
Does it boot to some OS?
10:51
I mean is the hardware OK?
10:54
<blackened>
the hardware is fine
10:55
<elias_a>
OK.
10:56
<alkisg>
blackened: with the same lts.conf, boot your other client
10:56
If it boots to a shell, we'll make sure that the lts.conf variables actually reach your client
10:56
Because now it may be an additional problem with your lts.conf syntax or your tftp or dhcp servers
10:57
If your other client boots to a shell, then we'll know it's not a graphics problem (and also it's not a ram problem, your ram is enough to boot to X)
10:57
<blackened>
with other laptop, it is fine, we got the desktop how up
10:58
<alkisg>
blackened: if you got the desktop then you didn't set lts.conf properly
10:58
We didn't want a desktop
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10:58
<alkisg>
We wanted a shell
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10:58
<alkisg>
blackened: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
10:58
[Default]
10:58
SCREEN_07=shell
10:58
That what you should have, do you?
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<blackened>
I have done it, but no shell with toshiba, but I'm not yet check with my sony, the sony was fine, because it could directly go to the desktop, no hang
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<alkisg>
blackened: test with sony, this will tell us that your lts.conf, your tftp and your dhcpd configurations are fine
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<blackened>
ok, i'l try
11:02
<alkisg>
The goal is to get a shell on the sony too. Not a desktop.
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<blackened>
alkisg: weird, I cannot get in into shell, but dell directly go into ldm (my sony in use, so I take my dell now)
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<blackened>
lts.conf is located in /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf
11:11
is it correct?
11:12
<muppis>
No. /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/lts.conf
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<blackened>
muppis: yes you right, in that place, sorry, but still not going to the shell
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<blackened>
muppis: alkisg: it has no effect
11:21
<muppis>
blackened, you should check is it accessible by tftpd with this in server: grep lts.conf /var/log/syslog
11:22
<blackened>
ok, I check it now
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11:23
<alkisg>
!tftp
11:23
<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
11:23
<alkisg>
And there's also dhcpd.conf
11:23
And your lts.conf
11:23
Start by putting those 2 files in pastebin, your lts.conf and your dhcpd.conf
11:23
blackened: ^
11:25
<blackened>
yup
11:26
I have difficulties paste the config, but my lts.conf is :
11:26
[Default]
11:26
SCREEN_07 = shell
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<blackened>
my server didn't connected to my laptop/internet
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<alkisg>
blackened: and the part about the "filename" from your dhcpd.conf...
11:30
<blackened>
alkisg: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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<alkisg>
blackened: there's no "if" around it?
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<blackened>
alkisg: no, just filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
11:32
<alkisg>
if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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} else {
11:32
filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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}
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<alkisg>
So you don't have that?
11:34
blackened: is it possible that you have 2 dhcp servers near your ltsp clients?
11:34
<blackened>
no, I only test it in one komputer and one client
11:35
<alkisg>
And you don't have that "if" that I pasted above?
11:35
<blackened>
all laptop are pxe based boot rom, so I thought it is not neceserry to add nbi.img
11:35
<alkisg>
It isn't necessary, but if you put it this way:
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if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
11:36
} else {
11:36
}
11:36
<blackened>
I also try directly to nbi.img, but it not even boot
11:36
<alkisg>
...then your clietn won't find lts.conf
11:36
That's why we're asking you to paste your whole dhcpd.conf, but you said you have no network connectivity...
11:36
<blackened>
yes, maybe I can copy using flashdisk
11:36
wait a minute
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<blackened>
alkisg: here we go http://pastebin.com/krdwP633
11:48
alkisg: muppis: is there problem in my dhcpd.conf?
11:51
<muppis>
blackened, not for me.
11:52
<blackened>
and my lts.conf is only two lines [default] and SCREEN_07 = shell
11:55
<alkisg>
blackened: I'm not sure about your dhcpd.conf, I think it's needlessly complicated and I don't know if it sends a boot filename when the client requests a second lease from initramfs. Anyway, let's move on.
11:56
!tftp
11:56
<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
11:56
<alkisg>
In the troubleshooting page, there's an example about using an external pc to download lts.conf from your server
11:56
Try that
11:56
You'll need to boot your sony or whatever from a local OS to do that part of the troubleshooting
11:56
Live CD, whatever
11:57
Or, since SCREEN_02 doesn't work yet and you can't get a shell this way, you could unlock your root password in the chroot
11:57
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd; sudo ltsp-update-image
11:58
<blackened>
run this line? tftp 10.160.31.10 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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12:10
<alkisg>
blackened: yes, but use your server ip there
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<alkisg>
blackened: also, use /ltsp/i386/lts.conf instead of pxelinux.0
12:13
<blackened>
alkisg: well...finaly, I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
12:13
it works now
12:13
on my dell
12:13
<alkisg>
So you got a shell now?
12:13
<blackened>
I will try it on my toshiba
12:13
<alkisg>
Yeah
12:13
<blackened>
yes, it goes to the shell
12:13
<alkisg>
You can also troubleshoot your tftp problem with that shell
12:14
<blackened>
ok, I'l try
12:14
<alkisg>
blackened: here's one command:
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/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
12:14
Run that from your dell shell
12:14
And check what filename and server you get
12:14
<blackened>
ok
12:15
<alkisg>
We want: rootserver=your-server-ip, and filename=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
12:16
If you don't get that, it's a dhcpd.conf problem
12:18
<blackened>
alkisg: the output is correct
12:19
and toshiba also now goes into the shell
12:19
:)
12:19
<alkisg>
OK you still have a problem with lts.conf, but let's move on
12:19
Try: X -configure
12:19
On the toshiba
12:19
<blackened>
ok
12:20
haha, after I run X -configure, the computer goes hang :D
12:20
<alkisg>
So it's an X problem
12:20
Reboot, and run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
12:20
This will tell you the pci id and description of the graphics card
12:20
<blackened>
yes you right, ok, I reboot again
12:21
<alkisg>
For lts.conf again, when you boot, try this: tftp server -c get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf /tmp/lts.conf
12:21
Don't replace server with anything, leave it as is
12:22
Then check if you got /tmp/lts.conf
12:22
<blackened>
ok
12:26
it is trident microsystem cyberblade/i1
12:27
<alkisg>
pci-id?
12:28
[1234]:[5678]?
12:28
<blackened>
1023:8620
12:28
<alkisg>
Which ubuntu version are you using?
12:28
<blackened>
lucid
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<alkisg>
And, does it list a "driver in use" ?
12:29
<blackened>
kernel modules:tridentfb
12:29
thats it
12:29
i got permission denied when running tftp get
12:30
<alkisg>
Yes so it's supposedly supported
12:30
That's your tftp problem, check the permissions of lts.conf
12:30
ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
12:30
<blackened>
in server?
12:30
<alkisg>
Yes
12:31
For the video issue, try: XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf (after you fix the tftp problem)
12:31
<blackened>
-rw-r-----
12:31
<alkisg>
You need readable by "others" too
12:31
So chmod 644 'it
12:31
<blackened>
ah..ok
12:32
ok
12:32
<alkisg>
Finally, before setting XSERVER=vesa,
12:32
copy your /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the client, and put it to pastebin,
12:32
and ask in #ubuntu-x about the graphics problem
12:33
It's quite possible that installing a newer kernel in your chroot will fix the problem
12:34
Also try this in your pxelinux.cfg/default: video=tridentfb:800x600-16@75,noaccel
12:34
<blackened>
should i run ltsp-update-image?
12:35
<alkisg>
No
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12:40
<blackened>
XSERVER=vesa not working
12:41
video=tridentfb:800x600-16@75,noaccel <-- also not working
12:41
<alkisg>
Is that with SCREEN_07=shell?
12:41
Did you fix the lts.conf problem?
12:41
<blackened>
no, screen_07 has been delete
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12:41
<blackened>
lts.conf chmod already done
12:41
and it is now accessible and it is effect
12:42
trident cyberblade is one of difficult vga card to be setup in linux
12:43
<alkisg>
Sounds like it :) Try also nomodeset as suggested previously, /me needs to go, good luck...
12:43
!nomodeset
12:43
<ltsp>
alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
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<blackened>
alkisg: ok, thanks a lot
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12:59
<mrcarrot>
lts.conf has a few xrandr settings but actually no documentation on how to use them. could anyone point me to some documentation or help me how i get the equivalent of this command there: xrandr --output LVDS1 --of
13:00
s/--of/--off/
13:07
the official documentation is really comletely _worthless_
13:07
take this for example:
13:07
XRANDR_OUTPUT_01 ... XRANDR_OUTPUT_09
13:07
string, default unset
13:08
nobody gets happy to just know it is a string, what people want to know is what format this string has, can you disable with some commands in this string a certain output etc
13:15
i wonder why the developers did not have only one xrandr option called X_RANDR_COMMAND01..09 and you would set the whole xrandr command there instead of breaking it up into cryptic variables
13:16
for example X_RANDR_COMMAND01=xrandr --output LVDS1 --off
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<knipwim>
mrcarrot: i believe the docs are in the process of renewal since the 5.3 release
13:23
<mrcarrot>
hmm... i solved my trouble by an "injection"
13:23
<knipwim>
you could create a bug for it
13:25
<mrcarrot>
i think the whole bug is that they have many xrandr variables when only one should be enough.... there are good documentation for xrandr, and with one variable they would not need to write much documentation as it would just run the command straight as you give it
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<mrcarrot>
XRANDR_COMMAND_01..09 should really be all everybody would ever want
13:26
s/all/what/
13:26
<knipwim>
well, creating a bug would increase the chance, something will actually be done, whether explaining why all the vars are needed, are creating just one XRANDR_COMMAND
13:27
<mrcarrot>
where do i report bugs?
13:27
<knipwim>
!bugs
13:27
<ltsp>
knipwim: Error: "bugs" is not a valid command.
13:27
<knipwim>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
13:30
<[GuS]>
knipwim: Hi!
13:30
knipwim: I am about to install LTSP 5.3 in a new server right now :)
13:31
<knipwim>
ok, good luck :)
13:32
<[GuS]>
knipwim: :P
13:32
<knipwim>
perhaps there will be a new release this week
13:32
<[GuS]>
knipwim: i must add it to package.keywords right?
13:32
<knipwim>
with ltsp-client-5.3
13:33
yes
13:33
<[GuS]>
ok
13:34
knipwim: should i add quickstart and related to keywords as well?
13:34
<knipwim>
no, that's stable
13:35
<[GuS]>
ok
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<andygraybeal>
hi hi hi everyone
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14:22
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
14:22
<highvoltage>
good morning
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14:23
<mgariepy>
how are you doing?
14:25
<andygraybeal>
;)
14:27
<mrcarrot>
bug report submitted...
14:27
<veloutin>
now we all site and wait for mgariepy to fix it
14:27
sit*
14:27
<andygraybeal>
hahah, what was the bug?
14:28* veloutin shrugs
14:28
<andygraybeal>
ah yes, :)
14:28
<mrcarrot>
andygraybeal: it is more of a "bug": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/942608
14:29
<andygraybeal>
aah configuration parameters
14:29
nice
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<mgariepy>
mrcarrot, for disabling lvds i usualy put a script in /usr/share/ltsp/screen-sesssion.d/XS20-my-lvds-issue
14:41
mrcarrot, http://paste.ubuntu.com/860594/
14:43
<asmok>
highvoltage, good morning - have you seen this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-cluster-lbserver/+bug/938034
14:46
<highvoltage>
asmok: nope, thanks for pointing it out, I'll check it out
14:52
<asmok>
highvoltage, another thing abot ltsp-cluster - I need to wget two files from bazaar: control-center.py and rdp%2Bldm.config
14:55
highvoltage, we talk about ltsp-cluster for 12.04 LTS? How reliable ltsp-cluster is for next five years if I need wget something?
14:55
<[GuS]>
knipwim: first problem :P http://pastebin.com/7Z9f4XRA. I must add it to the quickstart profile.
14:56
<highvoltage>
asmok: yep, I agree with you. mind filing a bug with the details? I might have to get an FFe for that but I'd like to get it as good as possible. I don't think ltsp-cluster itself will be marked for 5 years though.
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15:00
<asmok>
highvoltage, what do you mean? What I can say when people ask what kind of support ltsp-cluster have from Ubuntu community? Not same level as ltsp itself in Ubuntu?
15:02
<knipwim>
[GuS]: hmm, that's new
15:03
<[GuS]>
yeah
15:04
<highvoltage>
asmok: for 12.04, it probably won't. (not ideal, but that's the honest answer)
15:04
<knipwim>
171-r5 is still masked on my pc
15:05
[GuS]: as root: nano /var/lib/layman/ltsp/profiles/ltsp/package.use
15:05
and add hwdb to the udev use flags
15:05
and then restart ltsp-build-client
15:06
<[GuS]>
oks
15:06
<asmok>
highvoltage, ok, I understand that.
15:06
<knipwim>
[GuS]: going home now, will check in about an hour
15:07
<[GuS]>
knipwim: ok! thanks
15:07
<asmok>
highvoltage, any idea what happens to 'ltsp-cluter-lbserver' package. Everything else works to me, only that one package is broken.
15:09
<highvoltage>
asmok: I'll try to a fix uploaded for that tonight. otherwise feel free to poke me again tomorrow.
15:09
<asmok>
highvoltage, thank you, bye
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<highvoltage>
as<tab>
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15:48
<knipwim>
[GuS]: still running without problems?
15:48
<[GuS]>
knipwim: nope, failed in other section
15:48
i've sent you an email
15:48
Something bad i the stage
15:49
knipwim: http://pastebin.com/s2hLfym4
15:49
I am searchin on inet, but i have very slow connection today here at my work :S
15:52
<knipwim>
are you running a clean install, without any left-over binary packages
15:53
<[GuS]>
knipwim: I will re-check but i think yes. Let me see (is a new server)
15:56
<knipwim>
weird, i completed an install last weekend, with the same pixman and automake version, no problems
15:56
what's your stage3 date?
15:57
<[GuS]>
knipwim: 20120221
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: btw https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400639
15:58
<[GuS]>
wtf... my /usr/portage is empty :S
15:59
<knipwim>
o crap, you did a ltsp-build-client --purge, while /usr/portage was still bind-mounted?
15:59
judging by the pastebin: umount: /opt/ltsp/i686/usr/portage: device is busy.
16:00
happened to me a few times
16:00
even removed my /dev several times
16:01
<[GuS]>
yes... seems i did that :(
16:01
damn...
16:02
and now i dont have a profile also... grrrrrrrr
16:02
<knipwim>
/usr/portage can be rebuild by doing an emerge --sync
16:02
<[GuS]>
ok
16:02
<knipwim>
check, no profile
16:03
ehm, download a portage snapshot
16:03
<xsl>
is it possible to have on each LTSP Client an app like "conky" that displays the clients IP , hostname and login user
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: check your /dev as well (rebuild with MAKEDEV if needed, http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_MAKEDEV.htm)
16:05
<[GuS]>
knipwim: ok
16:05
indeed.. is empty...
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<knipwim>
rebooted with a fresh /dev :)
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<[GuS]>
I wonder where is makedev command...
16:13
<knipwim>
added the udev hwdb use to the overlay
16:13
[GuS]: with caps, like MAKEDEV, and execute after cd /dev
16:14
<[GuS]>
knipwim: i know, i dont find it
16:15
<knipwim>
try command -v MAKEDEV
16:16
<[GuS]>
knipwim: does nothing
16:16
If i reboot? will regenerate dev right?
16:16
<knipwim>
hmm
16:16
never tried that
16:16
it's weird you don't have MAKEDEV
16:17
it should be in /sbin
16:17
<[GuS]>
nope... :S
16:18
<knipwim>
you have sys-apps/makedev?
16:20
if not, first get a portage snapshot :)
16:21
<[GuS]>
Yep, i am downloading it and copyying also the profile
16:22
<knipwim>
[GuS]: then probably do an emerge --sync to get rid of the pixman automake problem
16:23
according to the bug report: "Move XORG_EAUTORECONF above inherit line to pick up dependencies wrt #400629"
16:24
so the updated pixman-0.24.0.ebuild should have the XORG_EAUTORECONF above the inherit line
16:24
to retrieve the needed dependencies
16:24
<[GuS]>
ok
16:25
<knipwim>
no need to check the ebuild, the emerge --sync will work
16:25* [GuS] wishes to switch to debian :P
16:26
<knipwim>
then emerge sys-apps/makedev
16:26
like debian is bugfree
16:26
<[GuS]>
ok, i am doing the sync yet
16:26
<knipwim>
after emerging makedev, do cd /dev and use MAKEDEV to rebuild the dev files
16:27
<[GuS]>
ok
16:29
knipwim: my boss is Gentoo lover... so will be dificult to switch to Debian :P
16:29
<knipwim>
good to hear ;)
16:29
<[GuS]>
haha
16:29
Also, the application they develop here, is made to work under Gentoo (at least server app side).
16:30
<knipwim>
what are you developing?
16:30
<[GuS]>
Kind of stupi***... since is Python/wxwidgets app...
16:30
knipwim: i am the tech support, even i am Python/Qt developer, i do not work as developer here. But as linux admin.
16:31
I work here since 2009... i have lot experience in other distros, most based on debian... but here gentoo was my first time... you can see that :P
16:31
<knipwim>
no worries
16:31
<[GuS]>
knipwim: also, the app has so many dead deps.. like wxmozilla....
16:31
<knipwim>
since i've removed /usr/portage and /dev multiple times :S
16:32
i've become really paranoid on checking /proc/mounts before doing a --purge
16:32
<[GuS]>
knipwim: hehe.. first time that happen to me... indeed i saw that was not umounted... but i've purged anyways the folder :S
16:32
knipwim: i will now haha :P
16:32
<knipwim>
and how to solve it
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<[GuS]>
ok makedev is not installed, installing
16:32
<knipwim>
the MAKEDEV stuff is pretty generic
16:33
<[GuS]>
I mean, i dont have anything agaist Gentoo... but i think is not for this kind of implementation.
16:33
<knipwim>
i only found out the dev was gone after i couldn't log in anymore
16:33
apparantly ssh uses /dev/urandom
16:34
luckily i had a connected term somewhere to regenerate
16:34
<[GuS]>
indeed :D
16:34
Our clients wants always a quick response, and with gentoo we cant acchieve that most of the times...
16:34
And since the company does not "sells" a linux distro, we should switch... just my opinion.
16:35
<knipwim>
you could sell preinstalled servers
16:36
<[GuS]>
Well, the servers that we install to the clients if to run the server side app, and in many situations, LTSP
16:36
What i mean, and like this particular case, i always have new problems installing LTSP (this as one example)
16:37
MAKEDEV -d dir?
16:37
<knipwim>
ehm
16:37
<[GuS]>
MAKEDEV only does nothing, is asking for a param... time to read :P
16:38
<knipwim>
cd /dev/ && MAKEDEV console (for instance)
16:38
just follow the man page instructions
16:38
<[GuS]>
yep
16:42
knipwim: just rebooted and the devices are again :P
16:42
ok, back to ltsp.
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: going to get some groceries now, check ya later
16:46
<[GuS]>
knipwim: ok! thanks again.
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: and back
17:15
<[GuS]>
knipwim: so far is installing fine :)
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<knipwim>
vagrantc: can i tag a version in ltsp-trunk?
17:18
for a gentoo package release
17:20
<vagrantc>
knipwim: our loosely agreed upon policy was "feel free to tag if it's useful to your distro"
17:20
<knipwim>
check
17:20
<vagrantc>
i personally prefer that people test before tagging, so we don't have ten "tags" in a single day...
17:20
<knipwim>
perhaps there was some other work to be included this week
17:21
<vagrantc>
knipwim: also, good to just give people a heads up in irc, but not necessarily wait for a response.
17:21
knipwim: so you're doing well :)
17:21
<knipwim>
and i've tested the code last weekend :)
17:22
<vagrantc>
knipwim: you've poked stgraber and alkisg ? dunno who else to poke.
17:22* alkisg is planning on uploading some stuff about maintaining ltsp chroots in virtualbox or real clients, but needs cooperation from vagrantc and stgraber for some packaging stuff, so won't do anything for the next few days at least
17:22
<knipwim>
stgraber: planning to version tag ltsp-trunk
17:23
hmm, i think i'll wait then
17:23
<alkisg>
knipwim: nah I don't think those will finish soon
17:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what's left on that?
17:23
<knipwim>
going on a week holiday on friday, so i'll wait for your version
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<stgraber>
knipwim: ok, Ubuntu is currently in beta freeze so I won't be touching LTSP until next week, I might tag another LTSP around that time
17:24
<vagrantc>
knipwim: i'd go ahead and push what you've got, if it's working for you
17:24
<knipwim>
stgraber: ok, waiting then
17:24
<vagrantc>
hah.
17:24
knipwim: you're too like me :)
17:24
<alkisg>
Haha
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<knipwim>
:)
17:25
<stgraber>
knipwim: I said "might", if trunk works for you at the moment and you want to upload that, just go ahead and tag it :)
17:25
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hmm I don't have all of it in my mind currently because I was working on epoptes the last days, we're planning on releasing a new epoptes tomorrow evening so I'll work on LTSP after that
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: should i ready a new debian upload, then?
17:26
<alkisg>
Yes please, but not before tomorrow evening when we release it
17:26
<vagrantc>
sure
17:27
<alkisg>
We've fixed a couple of bugs, refactored+clean up the source, but 2 bugs remain that we want to get rid of
17:27
About LTSP, I'll do the smaller changes like deleting the local user accounts quickly,
17:28
but larger changes like e.g. using http://libguestfs.org/guestfish.1.html to access qemu and vbox images will take longer
17:28
(either qemu-nbd, or guestfish, or vdfuse, or a way to send the image from the running client to the server)
17:31* knipwim tagged 5.3.3
17:32* vagrantc really wants to re-write the kiosk stuff to do everything at runtime
17:33
<vagrantc>
short of package installs, although even that could be handled...
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<gvy>
alkisg, thx for mentioning vdfuse, looking at that (libguestfs took my attention)
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<alkisg>
gvy: I think qemu-nbd is a much better tool than vdfuse, maybe you want to explore that one first
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<gvy>
alkisg, thx^2
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21:54
<trubbor>
Hey - just wanted to see if anyone is monitoring this channel...
22:01
<rthomson>
meow
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<trubbor>
Is this channel for help/questions - or just dev?
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<Hyperbyte>
trubbor, both!
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More the first. :-)
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Basically, what you want to do is ask your question, then stick around for a while.
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<trubbor>
Thanks Hyperbyte. Just getting started with an LTSP 5 setup. Haven't been on IRC in ages.
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<Hyperbyte>
Oh, be sure to lurk in here. :-)
22:36
You can learn a lot about LTSP from this channel'
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s traffic
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...
22:36* Hyperbyte goes to find some glue for that last sentence
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<||cw>
yeah, whoever's briliant idea it was to put ' and enter right next to each other ought to be taken out and flogged with IBM model-M's
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