IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<dberkholz>
hm, i think i'm going to monopolize somebody's time trying to figure out what in the world these random debian commands do
00:05
really wish i could've made it to the meetup
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02:49
<Istarin>
Hey, everyone! I've another newbie question...
02:51
I use ltsp 4.2 and 2.6.16 kernel(2.6.17 doesnot work with my NIC). rc. usb has "for module in usb-uhci usb-ohci ehci-hcd uhci-hcd ohci-hcd...." strings but anyway no usb keyboard or mouse available after terminal startup.
02:52
I tried to use MODULE_01 option for loadin modules usb-uhci or uhci-hcd etc. but got an error "Failed to load uhci-hcd module"
02:52
Did I forget smth. to make usb work on ltsp terminal?
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03:43
<Istarin>
hey, is my question so stupid? :(
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04:02
<MrMoo>
hello, any idea why LTSP includes XFS but not XFSTT support?
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<Istarin>
I need help! I checked BIOS, USB controller and keyboard/mouse support are enabled. Modules are not loading, USB doesnot work, exact kernel version is 2.16.6.1, I downloaded it from http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/
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05:31
<patrickb>
hi all....
05:32
before i buy some ...does any body have any experince with the HP T5700 thin clients? how well do they work with LTSP..
05:33
the specs say they are PXE boot which is a start....
05:52
<pani_alex>
how do i do to star knopix in 800x600?
06:02
i found it :)
06:02
i have seen that the knopix have memtest
06:02
how do i run it
06:02
?
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<pani_alex>
need heelp please
06:20
i tipe the commands in the console(knoppix) and it do nothing
06:20
for example
06:20
grip -i net
06:21
grep
06:21
even ifconfig dont work
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06:37
<psycodad>
pani_alex: make sure you are root
06:37
enter "whoami" to find out if you are
06:38
<pani_alex>
what is whoami and how do i enter it?
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<pani_alex>
must i get start the operate sistem? or in the boot?
06:46
how do i creatge the boot disk
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07:21
<pani_alex>
i'am trying to create the flppy disk to boot the client and
07:22
it apears to stay before finish
07:22
i maked, cat /path/to/eb-5.2.6-eepro100.zdsk /dev/fd0
07:22
is thise ok?
07:24
<psycodad>
you need to type: cat /path/to/eb-5.2.6-eepro100.zdsk > /dev/fd0
07:24
you forgot the >
07:24
<pani_alex>
ok, i'll try, but this is from the web page
07:24
<psycodad>
pani_alex: enter it in the running knoppix system in a shell
07:25
pani_alex: from which webpage ?
07:25
<pani_alex>
file://localhost/E:/Backup/Hdd%20Linux/ltsp/LTSP%20guide%20on%20Fedora/Instalación%20de%20LTSP%20en%20Fedora%20Core%202%20__%20Software%20Libre%20en%20Morelos%20__%20Los%20recursos%20libres%20a%20tu%20alcance,%20en%20Morelos..htm
07:26
sorry, i have saved the page and dont remember where is the link
07:26
if muy keyboard don't have >, how do i type it?
07:30
now i get it
07:30
thanks
07:31
i have writed /media/fd0 instead of /dev/fd0
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<pani_alex>
it don't work
07:39
say invalid system disk
07:41
how can i write the > if my keyboard dont have that key
07:42
to try making the boot disk again
07:47
i make
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cat /media/..... /dev/fd0
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and it stard writing on the floppy but stay again before finishing
07:50
<psycodad>
pani_alex: use ALT+062 (means hold ALT key and type 062) this should give you a >
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07:55
<pani_alex>
presing alt an putting a numbre it puts (arg: 62) and if i pres a key next it insert 62 times that key
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10:02
<pani_alex>
still having prolems
10:02
can't create thise boot disk
10:02
please help me
10:04
<joebaker>
pani_alex: That sounds like you are using vi to edit files.
10:04
<pani_alex>
no
10:05
i whant to creathe the flppy disk to start the client
10:05
<joebaker>
I only see your last 5 lines.
10:05
I was disconnected earlier.
10:05
<pani_alex>
ok
10:05
<joebaker>
Are you using etherboot?
10:05
<pani_alex>
i'll tell you
10:06
i'm confused, etherboot is via the network card or diskete
10:06
?
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10:07
<joebaker>
Etherboot is a program you get from rom-o-matic.net which is specific to the model of Network Card you have.
10:07
<pani_alex>
i don't have a network card that suports pxe so i will do it by floppy
10:07
<joebaker>
OK, that sounds good. That's what I usually do.
10:07
<pani_alex>
i wrote in a linux knoppix
10:07
<joebaker>
Have you found the PCI data for the Network card? lspci -v
10:08
<pani_alex>
cat /path/bootImage... /dev/fd0
10:08
i have downloaded a image for my onboard lan sis900
10:09
what is lspci -v?
10:09
<joebaker>
List pci information
10:10
It tells you the vendor ID and some other id information which can further identify the chipset used on your card.
10:10
So did you make the floppy?
10:11
<pani_alex>
the list is to long and i can't see all
10:12
not
10:12
i try but it stops until finish
10:12
and get a error
10:12
<joebaker>
Pipe the output through less like this lspci -v | less
10:13
I'm not really sure if "the list" is the output of an lspci command
10:13
Or if "the list" referrs to the output of booting off the floppy.
10:16
<pani_alex>
i have search again and my onboard net card supose to suport boot
10:16
i put it to boot by nerwork, is thise ok?
10:16
joebaker:
10:17
<joebaker>
Yes, if your bios has a setting to boot from the network...
10:17
you can do that.
10:17
Expecially if the NIC is integrated onto the motherboard. This is called PXE booting.
10:18
It simplifies allot.
10:18
Although the DHCP configurations are somewhat different than I am accustomed to supporting.
10:18
<pani_alex>
i try but i apears to not foud the server and continue booting other devices
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10:19
<pani_alex>
what should i do now
10:19
?
10:19
<joebaker>
I think alot of the folks who normally participate in this chat channel are off at a conference in California at an Ubuntu Developers Conference.
10:19
What's next in the documentation?
10:20
Have you setup NFS, DHCP, TFTP, ....
10:20
<pani_alex>
dont know, i have installed the k12ltsp, it supose to have all enable and runing
10:20
<joebaker>
OK,
10:21
<pani_alex>
the only think can be breating the file for the client conf
10:21
breating=creating
10:21
<joebaker>
I usually install ltsp onto another distribution like Mandriva or Ubuntu.
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10:22
<joebaker>
No, you should just be able to boot the client now and it should work.
10:22
<pani_alex>
mm
10:22
<joebaker>
You'd create the entry in the file if you wanted some special configurations.
10:22
<pani_alex>
how do i see if the dhcp is runnig
10:23
<joebaker>
Which k12ltsp version are you using.
10:23
<pani_alex>
5
10:23
<joebaker>
ps ax | grep dhcpd
10:23
<pani_alex>
i shoult write that?
10:24
<joebaker>
sure, paste it into a terminal window as root
10:24
to start dhcp you could run.....
10:25
/etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
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note the space before restart
10:26
restart or start or stop or maybe even "status" are valid commands
10:26
WARNING... if your network has a DHCP server, you should not run DHCPd on your linux box. The services interfere with each other.
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<pani_alex>
i have writed that ps ax | grep....
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and get thise
10:36
1860 ? Ss 0:00
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<pani_alex>
joebaker: are you still there?
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10:51
<pani_alex>
my ltsp server is all runing
10:51
<joebaker>
Yes...
10:51
Great!
10:51
<pani_alex>
i stard my client and i dont find the server
10:52
<joebaker>
Are you the network administrator where you are?
10:52
<pani_alex>
i get RPL-ROM-FFC:1..2..3..4..5 and not found
10:52
yes
10:53
<joebaker>
Are you authorized to start DHCP. Good did you execute.... /etc/init.d/dhcpd start
10:53
<pani_alex>
it is still runing
10:54
i cheked by ltspadmin in the terminal window
10:54
all is running ok
10:54
<joebaker>
Have you run ... ltspadmin then "Configure LTSP" then "S Show Configured Services".
10:55
Do you have a hub or network switch that both machines (server and client are plugged into)
10:56
<pani_alex>
i have a swich and yes all
10:56
the server and the client are conectet to it
10:56
the server have the firewall enabled to
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<joebaker>
Perhaps the cabling isn't good enough? I've seen clients that could slowly pass traffic over bad cables yet, dhcp is UDP traffic so retransmissions are not as common.
10:58
The server's firewall software... Have you opened ports for DHCP, NFS, TFTP, portmap, etc... Maybe try running the server with the firewall off.
10:58
Is K12LTSP5 based on Fedora Core 6?
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<pani_alex>
i think is fedora5
11:00
<cliebow>
selinux enabled?that def causes probs
11:01
<pani_alex>
i dont know if this can be a isue but i'm running the ltsp server in a virtual machine
11:02
vmware5
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<joebaker>
I don't think the Virtual machine would be that much of an issue.
11:04
But you might have to turn off the firewall on the host machine.
11:04
The host machine running VMWARE.
11:05
<pani_alex>
i have disabled my windows pc firewall and the server and still not detecting the server
11:06
<joebaker>
You see what exactly on the client machine as it boots...
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<joebaker>
Do you have another DHCP server running on your netwok pani_alex? Maybe the client is receiving the DHCP response from another machine first before yours.
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<pani_alex>
nop as i know
11:16
sorry i was out
11:16
if i have a dhcp cerver istaled my pc should get ip automaticali and i don't happen
11:16
i mean in windows
11:17
<Sephyr>
Hi! Can anyone tell me how to get access to the Clients IDE harddrive? I have Ltsp 4.2 up and running on a Mandriva 2005LE server, and SCREEN_02 = shell but I can't see hdc1 on the client
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<pani_alex>
joebaker
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<pani_alex>
can be that my onboard net card is dead?
11:28
joebaker:
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?
11:36
<cliebow>
sbalneav:Scottie!!! Zup?
11:36
<sbalneav>
Hey cliebow
11:36
How's it going?
11:37
<cliebow>
goodest...any goddies to report from mtv?
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<cliebow>
someone did an awesome job packaging nx for dapper!!!!
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<sbalneav>
cliebow: Check out planet.ubuntu.com. I've got a blog now! :)
11:58
I'm, like, somebody!
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12:02
<pani_alex>
some one to help me
12:02
i have trouble creating a etherboot floppy
12:03
before finish i gives me an error
12:04
please
12:04
i have been all the day trying thise
12:07
there is another way to copy a image to the floppy
12:07
i mean not with cat
12:20
finaly, i created sucesfully the floppy disk, but the client says no sistem disk or disk error
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<GooE>
i am trying to boot a PC using PXE , this PC is only connected to a linux router which is connected to a server running DHCP and TFTP, do i need a DHCP relay on the linux router to boot the PXE box ?
12:35
<McPolo>
GooE: No. Isn't dhcp relay some mechanism, where you handle dhcp calls between different networks?
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<Sephyr>
Could a similar method to this http://www.geocities.com/cucnews/localhdswap.html be used to mount a local HD on the client?
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<pani_alex>
cuestion, if i download a image of room o matic and meke a disk from it
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it is the boot disk?
12:53
becouse my client says: no sistem disk, and dont boot frlom floppy
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<Sephyr>
Can anyone tell me how to get access to the Clients IDE harddrive? I have Ltsp 4.2 up and running on a Mandriva 2005LE server, and SCREEN_02 = shell but I can't see or mount hdc1 on the client
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<sbalneav>
Sephyr: I don't think we have any of the udev magic in place to auto-start ide harddrives
13:28
In the next version which we're finalizing now (ltsp5), you should be able to see a hard drive, however, I, for one, never understand why people want to see hard drives on diskless thin clients :)
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<Sephyr>
sbalneav: Thanks for reply. The purpose of LTSP at all is because I need access to a CF-card mounted as a IDE-harddrive in a diskless pc I am not allowed to open :(
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<Sephyr>
I might give http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ a try instead :)
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<pani_alex>
if i make i etherboot floppy, it is a booteable disk'
13:46
?
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<sbalneav>
pani_alex: Yes, it should be.
13:55
Sephyr: Good luck with it.
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<pani_alex>
but i put the disk in the client and it saly no sistem disk
13:56
<sbalneav>
What etherboot image did you use, and how did you write it to the floppy?
13:56
<Sephyr>
thanks, just have to reinstall Mandriva now, seems like i f***ed something on the install :p
13:58
<sbalneav>
pani_alex: Which etherboot image did you use, and how did you write it to the floppy?
13:58
<pani_alex>
i'll see
14:00
eb-5.4.2-sis900.zdsk
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<sbalneav>
ok
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<pani_alex>
with cat
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<sbalneav>
and how did you write it to the floppy
14:00
what was the command line?
14:00
<pani_alex>
cat /source.. /dev/fd0
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<sbalneav>
probably not the best.
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<pani_alex>
can you tell me other way=
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?
14:01
<sbalneav>
Try dd if=eb-5.4.2-sis900.zdsk of=/dev/fd0 bs=8192
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<panialex>
jaja, it works
14:04
finaly
14:04
thanks sbalneav
14:04
<sbalneav>
No problem.
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<panialex>
now will probe booting
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problem, the resolution seens to be to heigth
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and the monitor dont support it
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how do i do to put this client in 800x600
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?
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<sbalneav>
What version of ltsp are you using?
14:07
4.2?
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If so, X_MODE_0 = 800x600 should work for that workstation's entry.
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<panialex>
yes
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where i put it
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i know nothing of this
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is my first time booting one
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<sbalneav>
The wiki has information on this, as well as the documentation on the home page.
14:09
Time to start reading! :)
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<panialex>
ok
14:09
ill probe it tomorow
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thanks all
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<sbalneav>
No problem.
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<knitoperu>
Hi everybody!!!
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I have an "K12ltsp" server installed
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I know that is not extrictly an ltsp... but share basis with
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my problem is that when I try to boot from a client using an vt-6105 card
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from a diskette, It remains saying 0200 AX:0212 BX:2400 CX:0001 DX:0100
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one an another time... and no booting
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<dtrask>
knitoperu: what is a vt-6105? What brand?
14:56
<knitoperu>
does anyone knows what's happening???
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<dtrask>
knitoperu: Are you using the Universal Boot Floppy image?
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<knitoperu>
is a network card enl832-TX-VA ( I'm almost sure that is an Encore)
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and it use tu be running
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nope
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<knitoperu>
I make an image in "etherboot" 2 or 3 years ago
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I will try with that Universal Boot Floppy
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I supose taht I can download it from ltsp page?
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<dtrask>
no it's in K12LTSP....just outside the bootrom images directory
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#/tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms
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<knitoperu>
I will find it, thankyou
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<dtrask>
do this: cat Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > /dev/fd0 to get it onto the floppy disk
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hope that helps :-)
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<knitoperu>
new question: How can I be sure that my server etherboot boot system is working?
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maybe, only pxe is working
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<ctkroeker>
How can I run Skype on a ltsp thin client? The server is running edubuntu. The clients play normal mp3's just fine, but I can't find a way to get skype audio workin...
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<Gadi>
ctkroeker: you cannot at this time - LTSP currently does not support bidirectional audio by default
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this will hopefully change in the next release
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<ctkroeker>
Not even in the 5.0 beta version?
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<Gadi>
not even
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now, that doesnt mean you cant hack it up
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<ctkroeker>
Just to make sure, do any other VoIP apps work?
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<Gadi>
but, atm, LTSP uses "esd" as its sound transport mechanism, and it only supports audio playback
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<ctkroeker>
ah
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<Gadi>
in the next release, we will move to pulseaudio, which will add bidirectional supportt
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<ctkroeker>
how would you propose "I hack it up" on the current version?
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<Gadi>
there is a wiki on the web somewhere for getting it to use pulseaudio
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or, as an alternative, you can look into running Skype as a local app on the client
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which would actually be the best way of doing it, if you plan on having lots of clients using VOIP at the same time
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<ctkroeker>
you got a manual somewhere?
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I looked into the pulseaudio and it doesn't look so promissing
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<Gadi>
heh - if I had a manual, we wouldn't need a manual, because it would be in there :)
15:19
are you using LTSP 4.2 or edubuntu's ltsp-server?
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<ctkroeker>
edubuntu's
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just found http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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<Gadi>
and what is not promising about it?
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<ctkroeker>
Well, I just found it now
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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give it a whirl and if not look into installing skype as a local app
15:21* Gadi has to run....
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<Gadi>
good luck
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<ctkroeker>
u think it''l work ok? I have a GB LAN connection and 4-6 clients
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k, thanks for the help
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<vagrantc>
!seen vagrantc
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <vagrantc> Arsenick-tc2l: and which version of ltsp?
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<Psych0>
hi there!!
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<Psych0>
how can I change the Refresh rate in the thin clients?
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<cliebow>
Psycho: you ca specify an entire modeline..with x_MODE_0 i believe
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<Psych0>
cliebow: i have some old monitors here.. they are getting only 640x480... even if i configure X_MODE_0=800x600
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ok.. i got 800x600.. but only if i use X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8
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how can i do that!?! no one deserves 256 colors!!
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<cliebow>
Psycho: can you get a modeline for those monitors by using them with knoppix and loking at successful xorg.conf?
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<Psych0>
cliebow: i'm donwloading kurimin.. it is based on knoppix.. does it create the modline or just shows the horizontal and vertical refresh rate?
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, whats the meaning of the "EL" in the name of K12LTSP.EL ?
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<cliebow>
Psych0: ought to be a full modeline there somewhere
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, what about my doubt?
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<bronze>
g333k_work: use the source, you will find faith to conquer your doubt...
16:58* bronze notes that "E:" stands for "Enterprise Level" in RedHat products
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<bronze>
er "El"
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<Psych0>
cliebow: i already have slackware installed on this TC.. they are working with 800x600 but with 57Hz
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<cliebow>
g33k: must be enterprise linux...egomaniacal lumbago..sing like thatometh
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damn keyboard
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something like that
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, but are the differences between the EL and not EL versions?
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are there any*
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<cliebow>
g33k: i am not sure..i went ubuntu a year ago for that resaon
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<vagrantc>
Psych0: you sure you have enough video memory for 800x600@16bpp ? i think about 1-2MB i needed.
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<dberkholz>
the difference is mostly you get older versions with enterprise
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<cliebow>
x
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xds
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<Psych0>
vagrantc: the clients have 16mb onboard video cards...
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i'm just burning knoppix...
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<moquist>
sbalneav: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/basedefs/xbd_chap03.html#tag_03_426
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: did y'all talk about how to handle "upstream" for ltsp 5 this past week?
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<cliebow>
rjune:Hey!!!
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<g333k_work>
Hello, I have installed K12LTSP 4.2.3EL, I have configured all the files and get the PXE booting, but after the booting I receive this message: "Failed to mount the root directory via NFS!" how can I solve it?
19:36
<cliebow>
how does /etc/ecportds look?
19:36
heh /etc/exports
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, nevermind, solved!
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<cliebow>
k
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, I have running ltspadmin... because the xdmcp service appears to be disabled, I piuck the 7th option but it tells me that xdmcp is already configured, how can I do to make it ask me the questions again?
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<cliebow>
so you get hray screen and x?
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, yes I got it
19:42
cliebow, I got gdm
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<cliebow>
lemme get a url
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oh all set then..
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, Now I have created users, but I cant log in with any of my users
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<cliebow>
hmmm
19:47
look at your logs
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<rjune>
cliebow: !
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<g333k_work>
cliebow, So what's new in K12LTSP?
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<cliebow>
i dont know..eric fifnt say much when i saw him last week
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rjune:holding your own i hope
19:54
sound with alsa is a big subjecy lately
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<cliebow>
jammcq spoke of phone apps as the wave of the future for ltsp...amd muskow of course
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<rjune>
cliebow: working on ity
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<cliebow>
youtlittUbuntu le one thriving..of course
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god
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your little one thriving of course//
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<edgarin>
Hi to all
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<cliebow>
ho!
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