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Channel log from 16 May 2014   (all times are UTC)

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04:10
<cstk421>
was it a mistake using ubuntu server for LTSP as opposed to Desktop like the instructions sais ?
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04:10
<cstk421>
reason i ask is because im having trouble finding a managment console (gui, or web based) to manage the ltsp server for setting up thinclients to point them at windows 7 vms
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04:35
<work_alkisg>
cstk421: no, it wasn't a big mistake, there's no graphical management console, you just need to run ltsp-build-client
04:35work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
04:37
<cstk421>
i got that done but for each client to point them at their respective rdp session to their vm i assume you only need to use the ltsp.conf ?
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04:37
<cstk421>
is that the jist of configuraiton for ltsp
04:37
<alkisg>
lts.conf, yes
04:39
<cstk421>
alkisg: i see definitely a lot different than openthinclient terminal server. it manages users / network devices and so forth. also has a management application.
04:39
alkisg: but thanks for the info
04:40
alkisg: is there any extra setup for pxe boot ?
04:41
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client calls ltsp-update-image which calls ltsp-update-kernels which takes care of pxe files
04:42
<cstk421>
alkisg: and that command needs to be built once correct ? not for each client
04:42
<alkisg>
Once, yes
04:42
!docs
04:42
<ltsp>
docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
04:44
<cstk421>
alkisg: thanks ill go over it now
04:44
alkisg: appreciate the help
04:44
<alkisg>
np
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05:19
<cstk421>
does this look right for a basic test http://pastebin.com/DhbJtwMu
05:20
<alkisg>
rdesktop isn't used anymore, use xfreerdp
05:20
And, most of the entries there are not needed, those are the default values
05:23
<cstk421>
xfreerdp is not mentioned in the document you sent me the link to
05:23
only rdesktop
05:23
having a hard time finding good documentation for ltsp sorry
05:24
<alkisg>
That's true, the documentation isn't up to date
05:24
Try googling for xfreerdp ltsp
05:25
<cstk421>
just did
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05:26
<cstk421>
do i need to disable the dhcp server in ltsp if im not using it ? or is it not running by default ?
05:27
<vagrantc>
that depends on the distro
05:28
<cstk421>
using ubuntu server latets
05:28
latest*
05:29
<alkisg>
Install ltsp-server, not ltsp-server-standalone
05:29
<vagrantc>
latest is a relative term...
05:29
<alkisg>
the -standalone part also contains the dhcp server
05:29
<vagrantc>
doesn't standalone also depend on other things like ltspfs?
05:29
and ldm-server
05:30
<cstk421>
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
05:30
Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
05:30
Release: 14.04
05:30
Codename: trusty
05:30
this is the standalone ltsp that i installed
05:32
<alkisg>
vagrantc: he's only using xfreerdp, so no ldm, ltspfs etc
05:33
<vagrantc>
ah
05:33
yeah, ltsp-server makes a lot of sense then
05:34
<cstk421>
alkisg: so do i need to change rdesktop to xfreerdp in the lts.conf ?
05:34
<alkisg>
cstk421: yes, rdesktop is deprecated, it might still work but it's not recommented anymore
05:35
cstk421: one easy way to go through this is to put SCREEN_06=xterm
05:35
<cstk421>
alkisg: yeah the client is not booting so i dont think its there. also dhcp is not isntalled
05:35
<alkisg>
From that xterm, run `xfreerdp params` till you connect correctly
05:35
<cstk421>
ok
05:35
<alkisg>
When you have the correct xfreerdp command line, then put it in SCREEN_06 instead of xterm
05:36
The package is called isc-dhcp-server, afaik
05:36
You don't need it, if you configured your external dhcp server ok
05:37
<cstk421>
alkisg: oh didnt look for that yes it is installed
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05:40
<cstk421>
i changed the config to the SCREEN_06=xterm and the client still doesnt boot from the terminal server. not sure whats missing
05:41
<alkisg>
Maybe your dhcp server configuration
05:41
<cstk421>
http://pastebin.com/JJ97JAdQ
05:41
<alkisg>
What's the last thing you see in the client screen?
05:41
<cstk421>
i dont think its my dhcp server b/c it was working with another terminal server just fine
05:42
no boot filename received
05:42
exiting pxe boot now
05:42
<alkisg>
Right, so that's the issue
05:42
<cstk421>
hmmm
05:42
<alkisg>
See some notes there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
05:42
...if they match your case
05:42
You need boot filename, root path etc
05:43
<cstk421>
so that needs to be setup on my dhcp server ? mine is on a cisco 1841 not a win box
05:43
<alkisg>
Yes
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05:43
<alkisg>
If you can't do that, here's an alternative: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
05:44
But the best way is in the cisco config
05:44
<cstk421>
yep reading how to do it now
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06:28
<cstk421>
does ltsp serve the bootfile via tftp ?
06:28
nm
06:28
found the answer
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06:55
<cstk421>
alkisg: you still around by chance ?
06:56
i got the dhcp server to point at the bootfile now. my issue now is after it gets an ip it doesnt boot just sits there after displaying the ip info it received. and doesnt attempt to boot anything including xterm and xfreerdp.
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06:59
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
06:59
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
06:59
<alkisg>
cstk421: ^
06:59
<cstk421>
ok
06:59
<alkisg>
Also tell the dhcp server to point to the ltsp (=tftp) server as well, with next-server ip
07:00
And don't forget root path
07:00
<cstk421>
did that
07:00
<alkisg>
==> 3 options need to be changed in dhcp
07:01
<cstk421>
what file in pxelinux.cfg is that line in ?
07:01
ltsp ?
07:01
b/c i opened that file and that string is not there
07:02
there is this append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.13.0-24-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash root=/dev/nbd0
07:02
in a lot of them
07:04
<alkisg>
"run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default"
07:04
And you're saying it's not there?
07:04
<cstk421>
thats right
07:05
http://pastebin.com/puEfEtjn
07:05
<alkisg>
OK, just remove the quiet splash part
07:05
<cstk421>
on all of them ?
07:05
<alkisg>
Line 14
07:05
<cstk421>
ok
07:06
is that supposed to show in the boot screen or output to a log ?
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07:20
<alkisg>
http://ferrellweb.com/temp/ltsp2.gif
07:20
It'll start with something like that
07:22
<cstk421>
yeah i removed all the quiet splash comments and im getting no output besides the ip info after it pulls the bootfile
07:23
http://postimg.org/image/58pkb875r/6173d365/
07:24
here is the dhcp config http://pastebin.com/3q3FsN8s
07:25
i know the bootfile is accessible b/c i pulled it from the ltsp server on to the router as a test
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07:35
<alkisg>
cstk421: the VM needs to be in bridged mode, not in NAT mode. Try with a real client.
07:35
Hi piet
07:35
<cstk421>
alkisg: it is in bridged mode
07:35
<alkisg>
cstk421: check the wiki page I linked, you still have the wrong dhcp config
07:35
<cstk421>
ok
07:36
<alkisg>
cstk421: 017 Root Path: /opt/ltsp/i386
07:36
067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/arch/pxelinux.0
07:36
I.e. ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
07:39
<cstk421>
got it working
07:40
i didnt know the bootfile was that one. all the documentation was indicated to tell the dhcp server that the bootfile was the lts.conf
07:40
wow
07:40
alkisg: i cant thank you enough for your help
07:41* alkisg accepts beers, pizza, paypal donations... :P
07:41
<alkisg>
np :)
07:49
<cstk421>
well got lot further and got to the ubuntu login. xfreerdp stuck. ill tackle that tomorrow. thanks again im sure ill be back ! have a good night
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11:56
<DanSwano>
Hello all! Is there a russian LTSP channel here?
11:57
<MrV>
why?
11:58
prvmsg me in cyrillic if you like
11:58
<DanSwano>
ok
11:58
<MrV>
thou I'm quite a noob... :(
11:58
thouGH*
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12:07
<gvy>
DanSwano, a chto?
12:07
<DanSwano>
need help with a strange error
12:09
on some computers I have a "Cannot open virtual terminal 7 (permission denied)" while starting Xorg
12:09
on other computers all seems ok
12:10
a part of our computers won't start
12:10
LTSP chroot is Debian Wheezy i386
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12:13
<DanSwano>
these computers was working correctly before some LTSP chroot update
12:15
SCREEN_07="kiosk /usr/bin/startfluxbox" in lts.conf
12:20
<gvy>
DanSwano, erm, is Xorg binary suid there?
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<DanSwano>
gvy, /usr/bin/X suid bits are set
12:59
/usr/bin/Xorg is not set
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13:31
<JuJuBee>
I use fat clients, if I create a new install of ubuntu 14.04 on a pc and copy the HD to /opt/ltsp/amd64/ on ltsp server, then udate-keys....and image that should work?
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<santos>
what is the equivalent path of /usr/share/mozilla/extension in the chroot
13:38
<alkisg>
JuJuBee: you need to install ltsp-client there too
13:39
santos: $ dpkg -S /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/
13:39
xul-ext-websites-integration, xul-ext-ubufox, xul-ext-adblock-plus: /usr/share/mozilla/extensions
13:39
==> if you install one of those packages to the chroot, it will create that directory for you
13:39
<santos>
beautifulllllllll
13:39
beautifullllllllll
13:40
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: where? on PC or LTSP server? I have a currently working server setup with 12.04 fat client. I don't want to go through the 2 years of updating though.
13:40
<alkisg>
First, what 2 years of updating? It's a single update.
13:40
Second, yes, on the PC.
13:41
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: from 12.04 to 14.04... I never have luck doing upgrade in place, always do fresh/clean install
13:41
OK, I will install ltsp-client on PC being used for image.
13:41
<alkisg>
JuJuBee: I agree with you, but just this once, 12.04 => 14.04 is pretty similar, so it should work
13:42
In all the other times, ltsp was not designed for upgrades,
13:42
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: already have a 14.04 box ready to go
13:42
<alkisg>
and, ubuntu had too many changes to be easily upgradable....
13:42
OK, go for it
13:43
<JuJuBee>
I will make backup copy of the images folder as well as my amd64 folder on server to be safe
13:43
<gvy>
DanSwano, well I'd examine /var/log/Xorg.*.log then
13:44
or try xinit/startx as root
13:44
<alkisg>
I think the kiosk plugin is a bit broken, it should use root for non-KMS enabled graphics cards
13:44
<JuJuBee>
Thanks alkisg
13:44
<santos>
how do I copy a launcher to the desktop of all users?
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13:46
<santos>
maybe is better to use the menu
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13:46
<alkisg>
You put it in /usr/share/applications for the menus
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13:47
<santos>
Thanks Alkisg Very Veeeery much
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<rafepren>
Faith_, how are you?
13:55
Faith_, haha
13:56
<Faith_>
rafepren, good, and u? :)
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<rafepren>
I don't know, Faith_
13:59
<DanSwano>
how to enable LDM autologin?
13:59
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
13:59
<ltsp>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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14:00
<DanSwano>
404
14:00
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures does not work
14:06
will continue at Monday, thanks all
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14:32
<alkisg>
404 the lts.conf manpage?!
14:32
DanSwano: check LDM_AUTOLOGIN in the man page that I linked
14:33
Also, note that those won't apply to kiosk sessions
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15:21
<johnsonmlw>
Hi all. Which file points to lts.conf? I've installed ltsp-pnp on debian wheezy (amd64) and the clients seem to take no notic of my settings in lts.conf.
15:22
<gbaman>
which one were you editing johnsonmlw?
15:22
<johnsonmlw>
*notice
15:22
<gbaman>
there are a few... in a few places..
15:22
<johnsonmlw>
I'm wondering if it's pointing to a path with i386 in it, rather than amd64 dir
15:24
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
15:26
<||cw>
iirc, the amd64 pxe folder isn't used anymore
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15:28
<johnsonmlw>
Thanks. Could you explain how I might get the client to pick up the right file? This is a clean install, running the ltsp-pnp setup commands
15:32
<||cw>
put it in the i386 folder?
15:33
<johnsonmlw>
Nice idea. I created an i386 directory and copied the file across, but alas no.
15:33
<||cw>
I thought there was a command to find where it's looking, but haven't found it yet
15:35
in the chroot, /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltsconffile
15:35
<johnsonmlw>
Ta
15:35
I'll have a look see
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15:36
<johnsonmlw>
Ah... is there a chroot in LTSP_PNP?
15:36
<||cw>
hm, no, so maybe just put it in /etc ?
15:45
<johnsonmlw>
I appreciate the help. I'll persevere.
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18:16
<Chap>
First time plugging in USB drive to new Ubuntu Trusty client. lts.conf LOCALDEV=true, device shows up on client's syslog. User is in fuse group. Device not automagically mounted. Next step in troubleshooting?
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18:26
<cstk421>
so my client stops booting at this point via xfreerdp http://postimg.org/image/jity32qwn/8b616593/ . any thoughts ?
18:33
<Chap>
cstk421: Yes!
18:33
<cstk421>
lol ok what are your thoughts ?
18:33
also does anyone know where to find the log of client pxe boot sessions ?
18:34
<Chap>
1st: Make sure you don't have a rogue DHCP server, and the 'root server' given by DHCP is actually your LTSP server. If that's OK, then you're *probably* seeing a known bug in NBD http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/32333612/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/451092/ltsp-client-image-load-hangs-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
18:37
<cstk421>
well my 1841 is running dhcp im not using the ltsp dhcp server if that matters
18:38
last night it was stuck at the setting up nbd client forever and left it overnight and the screenshot was the result
18:38
just restarted the client and its stuck there again at setting up nbd client
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<cstk421>
yep looks like i got the same error as the info in the link you sent me
18:42
so i have to figure out how to use NFS instead of NBD
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18:45
<vagrantc>
cstk421: more likely you have to make sure your dhcp settings are correct
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18:45
<cstk421>
vagrantc: do you think that is the case considering i can boot the client to the ubuntu client login no problem ?
18:46
<vagrantc>
cstk421: the URL you pasted above looks like its not the ubuntu client login... ?!
18:46
<cstk421>
vagrantc: no i know its because i changed the lts.conf to direct the client to a winbox via xfreerdp
18:46
vagrantc: if i remove the mac specific options it will boot to the client login
18:46
<vagrantc>
that seems hard to believe.
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<cstk421>
vagrantc: ok will do it now to configm
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18:48
<Chap>
sounds more like DHCP issue than NBD issue
18:49
<vagrantc>
cstk421: could you paste your lts.conf ?
18:49
<cstk421>
vagrantc: looks like i stand corrected. i had it working last night. strange
18:49
yes i wil
18:49
http://pastebin.com/xvk3RZM8
18:50
Chap: i tackled that last night and havent changed it since not sure
18:50
<vagrantc>
it really sounds like you have two DHCP servers on your network.
18:51
if it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't
18:51
you can work around that by using "ipappend 3", to some extent.
18:52
<cstk421>
well iknow the ltsp server has a dhcp server as well. when i try to stop the service it doesnt work. i would like to remove it all together
18:52
that command doesnt work however
18:53
dhcp pool config http://pastebin.com/ZYMyu2Gm
18:54
<vagrantc>
cstk421: i'd recommend setting up proxydhcp instead of the LTSP server.
18:54
cstk421: then you can configure proxydhcp to send the right information
18:54
!proxydhcp
18:54
<ltsp>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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<cstk421>
ah hah now that i like to see. didnt want to replace my dhcp ok that looks like good info reading now.
18:55
thx
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18:56
<cstk421>
so part of the procedure is to remove ltsp-server standalone. does that sound right to you ?
18:56
sudo apt-get --yes --auto-remove purge ltsp-server-standalone
18:57
<vagrantc>
well, if you install dnsmasq, then all you'd need to do is remove isc-dhcp-server
19:02
<cstk421>
ok
19:03
just started doing the process and noticed im not resolving inet addresses
19:03
cant even apt update
19:06
fixed that part moving on....
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19:20
<cstk421>
so here is my ltsp.conf for dnsmasq http://pastebin.com/gQ8LyVzp
19:20
now pxe wont get an ip and boot at all
19:20
removed all options in the dhcp server pool on the router fyi
19:26
<vagrantc>
you've restarted dnsmasq after editing that configuration?
19:26
<cstk421>
no sir
19:26
doing now
19:28
ok that did it now it got an ip and attempted to boot. ended with error: socket failed : connection refused
19:29
<vagrantc>
so you need to set "ipappend 3"
19:29
is it not mentioned in the URL above?
19:29
for proxydhcp
19:30
oh, those instructions are awful.
19:31
but should be fine for testing
19:32
<cstk421>
it is and i put it in the ltsp under pxelinux.cfg at the bottom
19:32
or should i have just changed the iappend string that was in there already to 3 and not pasted the rest of the content
19:32
<vagrantc>
you need to have one per entry in pxelinux.cfg/default
19:33
yeah, change them all to ipappend 3 ...
19:34
<cstk421>
k
19:35
any service need to be restarted after the change ?
19:35
and why does all the docs refer to /default thats not a file but a link so i made the changed to ltsp in that pxelinux.cfg folder. i assume thats correct
19:36
it worked
19:36
got to the ubuntu client login
19:39
<vagrantc>
because in older versions it was a file
19:40
it will work until ltsp-update-kernels runs again
19:40
now your xfreerdp stuff should work too
19:41
<cstk421>
yeah testing that now
19:41
so how do i avoid the kernel running again breaking my changes ? is this a bug ?
19:42
also do i now use the ltsp.conf in the dnsmasq folder instead of the one in the tftpboot/i386 folder ?
19:42
<vagrantc>
edit /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
19:42
IPAPPEND=3
19:42
<cstk421>
ah
19:42
ok
19:42
<vagrantc>
sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
19:43
sudo ltsp-update-image
19:43
<cstk421>
does that kernel run on its own ?
19:43
<vagrantc>
should do it...
19:43
<cstk421>
b/c it broke again
19:43
i didnt do anything
19:43
<vagrantc>
it might trigger when interfaces go up or down
19:43
<cstk421>
ah
19:44
<vagrantc>
so in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.cfg/default it now says ipappend 2?
19:45
<cstk421>
no those say ipappend 3
19:46
oh you mean after it broke
19:46
dont know ill check now
19:47
no it still sais 3 in that file
19:55
k stuck here now
19:55
http://postimg.org/image/ikzyf8qtl/c35894ca/
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19:59
<vagrantc>
no idea there, could be anything
20:06
<cstk421>
now i removed all the settings i changed in the lts.conf and it wont even boot back to the ubuntu client login
20:07
something else is failing after a period of time
20:07
i dont get it
20:08
would you say it would be better if just followed the instructions on the ltsp docs and use ubuntu desktop or that has nothing to do with my issues ?
20:09
<vagrantc>
that has nothing to do with your issues.
20:09
cstk421: did you reconfigure your router to not hand out bootfile and other DHCP settings?
20:10
<cstk421>
yes removed all those settings
20:11
<vagrantc>
and restarted DHCP on your router?
20:12
<cstk421>
dont see why i would need to do that
20:12
you think thats necessary
20:13
<vagrantc>
well, i'd rather be sure it wasn't still handing out the wrong information
20:13
<cstk421>
ok get this
20:13
if i reboot the ltsp server then restart the client it boots to the ubuntu client login np
20:13
i reboot the client again and not the server it fails
20:13
socket times out
20:14
i reboot the server again and then client and it works np
20:14
wtf
20:14
even my xfreerdp config will boot with that process even though it hangs at a black screen once it trys to start the session but at least im passing the boot process
20:17
<vagrantc>
sounds like broken dhcp settings.
20:18
if it sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't, it's 95% of the time broken DHCP settings.
20:18
do you still have isc-dhcp-server running on the LTSP server?
20:19
<cstk421>
checking
20:20
server is gone i uninstalled it
20:20
the client is there thats it
20:20
irqbalance install
20:20
isc-dhcp-client install
20:20
isc-dhcp-common install
20:21
iso-codes
20:22
do you think i need to add the next-server options back in the router dhcp settings ?
20:23
<vagrantc>
not with proxydhcp
20:23
is dnsmasq running?
20:24
<cstk421>
yes
20:24
well didnt check after it failed trying now]
20:25
cstk421@ubuntu:~$ service dnsmasq status
20:25
* Checking DNS forwarder and DHCP server dnsmasq
20:25
* (dead, pid file exists)
20:25
so thats the status after i rebooted the client after the first succesfull boot without rebooting the server
20:25
rebooting server and will check right when it comes up
20:26
same status after reboot
20:26
wierd
20:26
nevermind needed sudo its running
20:26
gonna check again after rebooting the client 2 times
20:28
ok client failed again and dnsmasq is still running
20:29
<vagrantc>
you might want to contact a professional exorcist.
20:29
<cstk421>
lol
20:29
figures
20:29
<vagrantc>
here's what i would recommend
20:29
set up a network of two computers, the LTSP server, and a thin client ... get that setup working. then you'll know the technology works.
20:30
and then you can figure out how to move that to a "real" network...
20:30
<cstk421>
so your accusing my VM huh lol
20:30
<vagrantc>
reduce your variables
20:31
<cstk421>
gotta tell you i set this up the same way with openthinclient server took 30 min and was up and running including rdp into a winbox
20:31
this is crazy that ltsp is supposed to be better and more widely used
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20:31
<cstk421>
not to mention that openthinclient has a windows management app for gui management
20:31
<vagrantc>
i'm not here to convert you to LTSP ... if you've found something that works better, by all means, use it
20:32
i use LTSP, works great for me, works great for lots of people.
20:32
<cstk421>
no i understand i was told by others ltsp was more widely used and better thats why i wanted to get it up and running to test it
20:32
i really appreciate your help
20:32
<vagrantc>
but we can't troubleshoot everyone's bizarre networking problems indefinitely...
20:32
<cstk421>
i completely understand
20:32
<vagrantc>
cstk421: honestly, it seems like a problem with your networking.
20:33
<cstk421>
im gonna reboot the router just for craps and giggles
20:33
<vagrantc>
if not DHCP, maybe soemthing in the way the VM is set up.
20:33
<cstk421>
ok kool
20:33
i also have a real TC at home that i can try this is just easier to do while im remote
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20:36
<cstk421_>
sorry back
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20:37
<cstk421>
did you get that last message ?
20:37
<vagrantc>
i don't know what you think the last message is :P
20:37
"13:33 < cstk421> i also have a real TC at home that i can try this is just easier to do while im remote" ?
20:38
<cstk421>
i also assume that making all the config changes using Transmit on mac via the editor should not matter right ? vi to do editing isnt really a factor
20:38
<vagrantc>
shouldn't
20:38
<alkisg>
cstk421: which ubuntu version is that?
20:39
<cstk421>
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
20:39
DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
20:39
DISTRIB_CODENAME=trusty
20:39
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
20:39
vagrantc: ok kool
20:39
<alkisg>
Then it might be the nbd-server problem that vmlintu mentioned
20:39
Try restarting nbd-server on the server every time before the client boots
20:39
If that works, then it's that problem
20:39
<vagrantc>
eesh, really?
20:40
<alkisg>
Yeah :( Affecting 3.13+ kernels.
20:40
Patch is on the way...
20:40
<cstk421>
hmm ok
20:40
will try
20:41
alkisg: would we assume that is the issue only if it hangs at the setting up nbd-client string
20:42
<alkisg>
No, because there are other reasons for it to hang there.
20:42
It is that symptom, yes, but it's not the only cause that causes that symptom
20:42
<cstk421>
this is where its hanging when it fails and this is consistent
20:42
http://postimg.org/image/rxaydc485/10ec6227/
20:42
it passes the nbd setup np
20:42
i see
20:42
<alkisg>
It doesn't pass the nbd setup
20:42
Those are udev messages, asyncronous
20:43
There's no "done" after "Setting up nbd-client"
20:43
<cstk421>
gotcha
20:44
<alkisg>
Try the "restarting nbd-server" method
20:44
<cstk421>
k trying now after restarting the nbd
20:44
yep that did it
20:44
worked
20:44
<alkisg>
Do it another time to be sure
20:44
<cstk421>
windows still doesnt come up but it worked
20:44
<alkisg>
And then, a third time so that it hangs
20:44
<cstk421>
k trying again
20:45
<alkisg>
(the third time without restart nbd)
20:45
<cstk421>
got it
20:46
no 2 worked
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<cstk421>
no 3 failed without restart of nbd
20:47
<alkisg>
Let it show you the initramfs prompt. There, run this: `cat /*/net*.conf`. Verify that ROOTSERVER is correct. Finally, try this:
20:47
!nbd-client
20:47
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
20:47
<cstk421>
ok
20:48
i assume you want me to run that on the server shell not in the thin client right ?
20:48
<alkisg>
Thin client
20:48
<cstk421>
ok
20:50
cant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf no such file or directory
20:51
<alkisg>
Hrm. Expected (2 other persons reported that), but unexplained so far.
20:51
And I assume that the nbd-client command will work
20:51
<cstk421>
i assume the * after the first / is correct and you didnt want me to fill that variable
20:51
didnt try it doing now
20:52
<alkisg>
How are you resetting the client? With hard VM reset, or with soft OS reset, e.g. Alt+Ctrl+Del?
20:53
<cstk421>
hard vm reset but not powering the vm off there is a reset option
20:53
the nbd-client command just sits there
20:53
<alkisg>
OK, new test:
20:53
<cstk421>
ok
20:53
power off the vm instead of reset
20:53
<alkisg>
Stop VM. Restart nbd-server on the server. Boot client.
20:54
It'll hang at xfreerdp, ok, we ignore that for now.
20:54
Then, do a soft reset, so that "nbd-disconnect" is called
20:54
E.g. Alt+Ctrl+F1 and Alt+Ctrl+Del or similar
20:54
<cstk421>
stop what vm ?
20:54
<alkisg>
The VM client that you're using
20:54
I.e. don't use the vmware reset command
20:54
<cstk421>
ok i have 3 the ltsp vm the 7 box and the 3rd vm thin client
20:54
<alkisg>
Use the ubuntu reset command
20:55
<cstk421>
which do you want stopped
20:55
<alkisg>
When you reset the 3rd vm thin client, don't use the vmware reset
20:55
<cstk421>
ok so power it off, restart nbd on the ltsp server, then boot client
20:55
<alkisg>
Yes
20:55
<cstk421>
got it
20:56
<alkisg>
The key is the reset method after all those steps
20:56
When the client boots, press alt+ctrl+del inside the thin client so that it reboots normally and not like pressing the reset button
20:56
<cstk421>
ok
20:56
<alkisg>
Because when you press the VM reset, it's like pressing the reset button
20:57
I assume that if you're doing "soft resets", then the thin client won't have the problem anymore
20:57
<cstk421>
k restarted nbd powerd on the vm thinclient and it booted fine. now gonna restart the vm within the OS
20:58
sent the ctrl alt delete and no good
20:58
just sits at the black screen
20:58
<alkisg>
It restarted and then it hanged?
20:58
Or it didn't restart at all?
20:58
<cstk421>
no didnt restart
20:59
<alkisg>
Try sending Alt+Ctrl+F1 first
20:59
To go to the first vt
20:59
<cstk421>
the xfreerdp session has never completed yet so im not in windows yet
20:59
ok
21:00
<alkisg>
(newer versions of xorg don't respond to alt+ctrl+del without special configuration)
21:00
<cstk421>
no good
21:00
well the vm has the option to send that command from the menu
21:00
<alkisg>
Did you switch to the first vt, away from the blackness?
21:00
<cstk421>
yes
21:00
<vagrantc>
that is an evil nbd bug. :(
21:01
<alkisg>
Don't use the menu, I think that's an ACPI shutdown
21:01
Try to send Alt+Ctrl+Del from a keystroke
21:01
E.g. in virtualbox, it's "right ctrl+del"
21:01
<cstk421>
now there is a "restart" option in the menu instead of reset
21:01
ok
21:01
<alkisg>
No, don't use the menus at all
21:01
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1011705
21:01
In vSphere 4.x/5.x and VMware Infrastructure 3: Ctrl+Alt+Insert sends the virtual machine a Ctrl+Alt+Delete command.
21:02
I don't know if that applies to your setup
21:02
<cstk421>
lol mac no insert key
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<cstk421>
of courese
21:02
<alkisg>
http://pubs.vmware.com/fusion-6/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.fusion.help.doc%2FGUID-8F0BAAC9-F9EA-4182-BE27-D5F7D1278817.html
21:02
On a full-sized Mac keyboard, press Fwd Del+Ctrl+Option. The Forward Delete key is below the Help key.
21:02
<cstk421>
k
21:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: do you know if that bug has been verified on Debian?
21:03
<alkisg>
vagrantc: no, I don't know. I haven't even verified it myself in Ubuntu either, vmlintu mentioned it
21:03
<vagrantc>
haven't really tested since my last upload a couple months ago...
21:03
<alkisg>
But there were 2-3 persons here that seemed to be affected by that
21:04
<vagrantc>
i still mostly use NFS for testing, only use NBD when making uploads.
21:04
alkisg: it also seemed like a recent thing ... the "problem of the week" sort of issue
21:04
<alkisg>
What kernel does jessie have?
21:04
<vagrantc>
currently 3.13, soon 3.14
21:05
<cstk421>
i cant get this thing to reboot
21:05
prob gonna have to be home in front of it to work
21:05
<alkisg>
cstk421: try with SCREEN_06=xterm
21:05
<cstk421>
ok
21:05
<alkisg>
you can just run `reboot` there then
21:06
And the assumption is, that if you use "VMware menu reset", the client will only boot once until nbd-server restart, while if you use "xterm reboot command", it won't have the problem
21:06
<cstk421>
i figured ok
21:07
ok at the ubuntu client login gonna reboot now
21:08
ok so from the client login how do i reboot lol ?
21:08
nm
21:08
there is a reboot button :)
21:09
that worked
21:09
rebooted and came back to the client login
21:09
trying a third time for luck
21:09
<vagrantc>
so is something breaking nbd-disconnect?
21:09
<alkisg>
No, nbd-disconnect solves the problem :D
21:10
With hard resets, the client port isn't closed
21:10
<cstk421>
ah
21:10
<alkisg>
Erm, the server nbd connection isn't closed
21:10
On the next boot, the client is trying to use the same source port
21:10
<cstk421>
third time was good too
21:10
trying xfreerdp one more time
21:11
im sure that wont come up
21:11
<alkisg>
And it's failing because that connection is already established (same client ip/port, same server ip/port)
21:11
That's just a problem with your lts.conf line for xfreerdp, nothing major...
21:11
<cstk421>
right
21:11
yep nothing but it did reboot and come up np
21:11
thanks guys
21:11
<alkisg>
cstk421: so, try with xterm
21:11
Then find the xfreerdp line
21:12
Then just use soft resets until the bug is fixed
21:12
<cstk421>
xterm works just fine
21:12
oh
21:12
<alkisg>
Inside xterm, run xfreerdp
21:12
<cstk421>
i got it
21:12
thx will do
21:12
gonna go home and start fighting it again
21:12
alkisg: thank you very much
21:12
<alkisg>
np
21:12
<cstk421>
vagrantc: thank you again
21:12
vagrantc: great help
21:12
hopefully talk to you guys later
21:13
<vagrantc>
cstk421: good luck!
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<cstk421_>
well guys from xterm i was able to get xfreerdp to work and get to windows. still working on getting the lts.conf to do it automatically
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<cstk421_>
so regardless of the lts.conf settings it boots to the ubuntu client login screen
22:22
hmmm
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<vagrantc>
but you can get it to run an xterm with different lts.conf settings?
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<cstk421_>
so you mean boot scree_06=xterm and xfreerdp options after it ? havent tried that
22:31
http://pastebin.com/4v2qkHqh
22:31
thats what i have now
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<vagrantc>
cstk421_: no, i mean, SCREEN_06=xterm doesn't pop up the ubuntu client login screen?
22:37
<cstk421_>
yes it does
22:38
<vagrantc>
so, it starts the ubuntu client login screen in addition to xterm, or instead of?
22:39
<cstk421_>
in addition
22:39
i can access xterm and xfreerdp to the winbox from there no problem
22:39
its going directly that is the issue
22:42
<vagrantc>
you might be able to spell the options all out in one line ... i.e.
22:43
<cstk421_>
that was my thought but i tried i think i may have the wrong syntax
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22:45
<vagrantc>
SCREEN_07=xfreerdp --ignore-certificate --no-auth 172.16.0.24
22:45
i *think*
22:45
is that what you use from the xterm?
22:45
<cstk421_>
yes but i used -u username and it worked gonna try again
22:45
<vagrantc>
haven't used xfreerdp much, and only to connect to machines running xrdp (i.e. not windows)
22:46
basically, you should be able to put the exact same commandline used in xterm on the SCREEN_07=xfreerdp line...
22:48
<cstk421_>
ok
22:51
<vagrantc>
it might need the fullscreen argument? maybe --f ?
22:51
the defaults are: --f -u ''
22:52
<cstk421_>
why am i having issues getting to the shell from the client login screen ?
22:52
i tried to change the session at the bottom but it doesnt work
22:53
<vagrantc>
i'm sorry, i don't understand ... which client login screen?
22:53
<cstk421_>
ubuntu
22:54
asks for username and pass
22:54
when i try to login it just goes to black screen then comes back again
22:54
<vagrantc>
that will get you a graphical login
22:54
does your server have ldm-server installed?
22:54
that's for a gui login, not for a shell
22:55
<cstk421_>
nope
22:55
it doesnt
22:55
but i get a graphical login or do you mean something else
22:55
<vagrantc>
it's probably missing things needed for graphical login ... but why do you want to log into the server?
22:56
<cstk421_>
http://postimg.org/image/4v8eigm6h/c4fd98c5/
22:56
i dont
22:56
just trying to get to a shell but it always boots to that login screen
22:56
just SCREEN_06=shell or SCREEN_06=xterm is all thats in the conf
22:56
<vagrantc>
try SCREEN_07=shell
22:56
<cstk421_>
ok
22:57
<vagrantc>
setting SCREEN_06 *should* disable the LDM screen, but who knows.
22:57
<cstk421_>
same thing
22:58
what about 07=xterm ?
22:58
<vagrantc>
essentially, it sets SCREEN_07=ldm if no SCREEN_* are set...
22:58
<cstk421_>
ok
22:58
<vagrantc>
but maybe there's a bug somewhere forcing SCREEN_07=ldm ?
23:00
set SCREEN_06=shell, switch to tty6 if ldm comes up (ctrl-alt-f6), and maybe run "pstree -a" or something to see which processes are running
23:00
also see what environment variables are set: set | grep SCREEN
23:00
<cstk421_>
is the command you want me to put in the lts.conf "set SCREEN_06=shell" ?
23:00
<vagrantc>
no
23:01
<cstk421_>
sorry
23:01
<vagrantc>
SCREEN_06=shell in lts.conf
23:01
and then switch to tty6, where there should be a shell running.
23:01
and then run: set | grep SCREEN_
23:01
<cstk421_>
ok
23:02
wait i dont follow the switch to tty6 portion ?
23:07
k i got the ltsp8 login but my credentials dont work
23:38
<vagrantc>
SCREEN_02 runs on tty2, SCREEN_03 runs on tty3 ... ctrl-alt-f# switches from whatever tty you're on to tty#
23:39
SCREEN_06=shell should just drop you to a root shell n tty6
23:40
no login required
23:41
<cstk421_>
been able to get to xterm now
23:41
this command works from there
23:41
SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 172.16.0.20
23:41
but doesnt work when i have it in lts.conf
23:42
not sure why i cant just get it to rdp to the host and let the user log into windows
23:42
<vagrantc>
so, when you set SCREEN_07=xterm ... it just bring up an xterm, no ubuntu login?
23:43
<cstk421_>
yes
23:43
this just worked straight from boot SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20
23:43
<vagrantc>
and when you set SCREEN_07=shell, it brings up the ubuntu ldm login?
23:43
<cstk421_>
went straight to windows
23:43
yes sir
23:44
<vagrantc>
cstk421_: what went straight to windows?
23:44
cstk421_: SCREEN_07 is something to put in lts.conf ...
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<cstk421_>
that last string i sent you i put into the lts.conf and rebooted the client and it went straight into windows
23:44
it worked that time
23:44
but i dont want to put the credentials in the .conf i want the user to log into windows
23:44
the --no-auth command doesnt work in the lts.conf
23:44
<vagrantc>
cstk421_: so are you typing "SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20" or "xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20" nto the xterm?
23:45
ah.
23:45
<cstk421_>
im not typing the screen part in xterm just the xfreerdp part
23:45
from the lts.conf the whole string with screen works
23:45
but not without credentials
23:46
<vagrantc>
so in lts.conf: SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u '' 172.16.0.20
23:46
does that work?
23:46
<cstk421_>
havent tried with the apostrophe's ill try that now
23:46
<vagrantc>
it matters.
23:46
<cstk421_>
ok
23:47
no good it defaulted to the ldm client login
23:48
<vagrantc>
this just doesn't make any sense.
23:49
<cstk421_>
yeah not sure
23:49
<vagrantc>
ok, try SCREEN_08=shell
23:49
<cstk421_>
k
23:50
just so im clear the only lines in the conf is [DEFAULT] and then the screen_08=shell thats it
23:50
<vagrantc>
sounds good.
23:50
<cstk421_>
that went straight to shell
23:51
<vagrantc>
what does the output of the command "tty" give?
23:51
<cstk421_>
"/dev/tty8"
23:51
<vagrantc>
ok, good.
23:51
ok, let's try ... SCREEN_08=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u '' 172.16.0.20
23:51
<cstk421_>
from the shell right ?
23:52
<vagrantc>
no, in lts.conf
23:52
and reboot, etc.
23:52
<cstk421_>
oh ok
23:52
<vagrantc>
you have been rebooting after changing lts.conf, yes?
23:52
<cstk421_>
yes sir
23:54
stopped here http://postimg.org/image/fjhuq0jpp/bf6b741f/
23:55
<vagrantc>
ok, that's something...
23:56
it's probably using upstart, which i'm not very familiar with... this is where ubuntu and debian diverged quite a bit
23:57
<cstk421_>
im definitely not familiar with that. why is that an issue now but in xterm it works fine ?
23:57
<vagrantc>
why is it stopping all those services...
23:57
cstk421_: that's the essential mystery here, isn't it? :)
23:57
<cstk421_>
lol yep