IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 February 2016   (all times are UTC)

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06:20
<tlenetto>
hi all
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06:25
<alkisg>
Hello tlenetto
06:26
<tlenetto>
so quitet.
06:26
hi alkisg
06:27
<alkisg>
It's usually and "ask and respond" channel, not a "chat about everything" channel :)
06:27
!ask
06:27
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
06:27
<alkisg>
...like that...
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06:53
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I've marked the ubuntu/ltsp bug report of this: http:// bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=810934
06:53
...as won't fix, maybe you should do the same for that debian bug report?
06:53
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546
06:54
The newer ifupdown in stretch and xenial does have the changes I proposed, so I don't think we need to do anything from the ltsp side
06:56
<vagrantc>
main question would be, does fixing it reduce the stall on shutdown?
06:56
then i wouldn't mark it as wontfix, even if i don't get around to it
06:58
<alkisg>
vagrantc: the stall was caused by epoptes-client, wasn't it?
06:58
I don't think the stall and the manual connection issues are related at all
06:59* alkisg doesn't have a shutdown delay with an up to date stretch chroot
07:02
<alkisg>
(with epoptes fixed)
07:02
<vagrantc>
alkisg: oh if that fixes it, great!
07:03
i guess if i try without epoptes, it shouldn't stall too
07:03
<alkisg>
Yup
07:04
<vagrantc>
alkisg: many thanks to you for maintaining two distros :)
07:05
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hehe, it's a good thing that systemd made them a lot more similar, and that there's no .diff for ldm/ltsp anymore :)
07:05
<vagrantc>
alkisg: there is a diff for ltsp :(
07:06
<alkisg>
A really small one though
07:06
<vagrantc>
ridiculously small...
07:07* alkisg is going through the launchpad bug report list for ltsp/ldm...
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07:08
<alkisg>
Hrm, I'm not sure if "jetpipe does not start" is fixed in ubuntu or not... it might be there in the sysvinit script but not in the upstart script...
07:09
<vagrantc>
no daemons should be started from init-ltsp.d in any case...
07:09* vagrantc really should have fixed that upstream somehow
07:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think I'll change 50-jetpipe to generate an RCFILE_JETPIPE=xxx line
07:10
...which will in turn go to /etc/rc.local
07:10
But then you'll need to remove it from the sysvinit script
07:11
<vagrantc>
makes sense
07:11* vagrantc would be happy to be back in sync with upstream
07:11
<alkisg>
At some point, it will be best to have a common "start_ltsp" script, that the sysvinit, upstart, systemd units will call
07:11
<vagrantc>
so many other more urgent things always made me put that off
07:11
<alkisg>
Right, me too
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12:08
<Jd0302>
hey all
12:09
what would be the best way to install / upgrade to rdesktop 1.8 on my thin clients image?
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12:32
<alkisg_away>
Jd0302: it depends on your distribution, e.g. ubuntu has those versions: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rdesktop
12:32
It's not ltsp related, you can ask it in your distribution IRC channel
12:38
<Jd0302>
I cant remember which one I got I think it is ubuntu but if I chroot into the client image I cant download as it does not have any network config and no package managers exist
12:38
<alkisg_away>
cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
12:38
This tells you the release
12:38
<Jd0302>
ah
12:38
Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
12:39
<alkisg_away>
Right, so you should ask in debian on how to install a newer rdesktop version, maybe with backports
12:39
packages.debian.org/rdesktop should tell you the available versions
12:40
<Jd0302>
ah cool i see dpkg is there
12:40
hm and so is apt-get :)
12:40
<alkisg_away>
fix <chroot>/etc/resolv.conf to point to 8.8.8.8
12:41
and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgarde once in a while :)
12:41
<Jd0302>
ah of course all makes sense now :) its pointing to 192.168.1.1 when our gateway is 192.168.1.254
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12:43
<Jd0302>
sorry its been a long time since I had to do any thing to my ltsp stuff
12:43
only because we upgraded to citrix and server 2008 R2
12:43
<alkisg_away>
These days we're using xfreerdp instead of rdesktop
12:44
It's supposed to be maintained better, although I don't know if that's still true
12:44
<Jd0302>
ok will xfreerdp will deal with the black cursor issue?
12:45
<alkisg_away>
No idea I'm not using Windows personally
12:45
<Jd0302>
ok thanks i'll check it out
12:46
<alkisg_away>
You're welcome... also maybe you should update to some newer chroot :)
12:46
<Jd0302>
I think I might just try and see what xfreerdp does on the bare metal machine
12:46
<alkisg_away>
Debian 6 is very old, isn't it?
12:46
<Jd0302>
oh yeah
12:46
that server ran for 6 years now
12:46
very reliably may i add :)
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<Jd0302>
ok just so you know for your factiods xfreerdp does indead take care of the black mouse cursor problem
13:00
<alkisg_away>
Here's a minimal chroot that could do what you want:
13:00
!precise-i386
13:00
<ltsp>
precise-i386: Ubuntu 12.04 compressed btrfs chroot to boot really old clients (non-pae, >=64MB RAM): http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images. You can find the image, a screenshot and a README there.
13:00
<alkisg_away>
It has xfreerdp preinstalled
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13:00
<Jd0302>
ok
13:00
<alkisg>
Or just build a new one yourself
13:01
<Jd0302>
ah great
13:01
<alkisg>
Ouch! Debian 6 is squeeze?! That ancient, not old...
13:02
You might need to tweak your server a bit after updating your chroot
13:02
Some things changed in ltsp in those last years you didn't update :)
13:03
<Jd0302>
I never had too as we just literally boot the image and cut straight to rdp
13:03
<alkisg>
Sure, whatever works for you
13:03
<Jd0302>
most of our thin clients which are optplex dells played nice and never had any issue
13:03
even one box we have is a onboard radeon fglrx based gpu and even that works
13:04
the only problem on that one is you need to manually Alt-F8 to get the rdesktop tty
13:04
<alkisg>
You can change that with lts.conf
13:05
SCREEN_DEFAULT=08 I believe
13:05
(and it only happens if you have multiple screens in lts.conf)
13:08
<Jd0302>
yep
13:08
i kind of like the fact that gnome is there as well
13:09
never know we might employee some one who will want to use it one of these days lol
13:09
<alkisg>
...in debian 6? what's that, gnome version 0.001? :D
13:09
<Jd0302>
LOL
13:09
fsck knows let me check
13:14
2.30.2
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<patrick_>
@
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<Jd0302>
hm
14:35
just curious.. I am going to change to the precise image any way .. but for shits and giggles I tried to make lts.conf use xfreerdp as the existing thin client img had no problem installing it from apt in the end .. but it wont launch it I think its possibly getting, failed to open display as when the terminal start its just on a blinking cursor
14:36
I tested the arguments that it would be getting from lts.conf and from a xterm they work fine
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<professor^SERVID>
test
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15:40* vagrantc wonders what results are expected
15:40
<vagrantc>
pfft.
15:48
<Jd0302>
lol
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15:49
<alkisg>
Well, at least the epoptes chat names work fine, combining username and hostname :D
15:50
Jd0302: ah I also have a newer stretch image if you prefer to use that one instead of the older precise one
15:50
I don't remember if the xfreerdp script was working in debian 6
15:50
<vagrantc>
stretch is pretty exciting.
15:51
alkisg: how often do you plan to update the stretch image?
15:51
stretch is really a moving target until novemberish (and quite possible, several months later)
15:52
<alkisg>
vagrantc: it's a btrfs image, so an apt-get update is very easy, I can do it whenever someone needs it...
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<vagrantc>
having a stretch image out there getting use in the real-world will be invaluable
15:59
to make sure once it releases, it's actually usable
15:59* vagrantc can only test so much
16:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I could deploy it in some schools if you think it's needed, the ones that have only thin clients (with ubuntu 16.04 server)
16:01
I don't know how much testing a thin chroot offers though
16:01
<vagrantc>
more than whatever i happen to do briefly before an upload... :)
16:02
<Jd0302>
yeah
16:02
I really just buggered up something ;(
16:02
tftpboot is not finding vmlinux
16:03
do I need to ltsp-update-kernels again
16:04
I tried to mount the image into /opt/ltsp/i386 and then chrooted into made some changes
16:04
<alkisg>
vmlinux is not usual for debian, it's usually vmlinuz
16:04
<Jd0302>
er thats what i meant
16:04
typo
16:04
<alkisg>
And is vmlinuz there in tftpboot?
16:05
Without more details, it's difficult to imaging your dhcp/tftp/ltsp setup
16:06
<Jd0302>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
16:07
the vmlinuz is there
16:08
<vagrantc>
what tftp server?
16:08
default for tftpd-hpa is /srv/tftp
16:08
<alkisg>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ without i386 after that?
16:09
It sounds like a non-standard setup then
16:10
<vagrantc>
i guess now is the time to reconsider the default dependencies for tftp server...
16:10
and dhcp server...
16:10
<alkisg>
dnsmasq ftw!
16:10
<vagrantc>
right
16:10
how'd you guess?
16:10
<alkisg>
:)
16:10
We can propose that as the default and more advanced sysadmins can do whatever they like
16:11
<highvoltage>
dnsmasq us *still* not the default tftp server for ltsp!?
16:11* maldridge took the approach of "dnsmasq? not on my network"
16:11* alkisg is pretty sure maldridge doesn't have the stock ltsp setup anyway :)
16:11
<maldridge>
at the moment its mostly broken actually
16:12
<vagrantc>
see, there's user revolt over *not* using dnsmasq.
16:12
<maldridge>
changing the ldm theme seems to involve moving way more links than it should
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16:12
<vagrantc>
maldridge: should just need to set the ldm-theme alternative...
16:12
<maldridge>
in the chroot or out of it?
16:12
<vagrantc>
maldridge: or the LDM_THEME setting in lts.conf
16:13
in the chroot
16:13
<alkisg>
maldridge: also, what do you have against setting dnsmasq as the default for ltsp? (default, not the only option...)
16:13
<highvoltage>
maldridge: then you're not using the update-alternatives command, as you should probably do in your themes package :)
16:13
<vagrantc>
maldridge: you've got a theme package?
16:13
<Jd0302>
its not nonstandard to the point where it caused any problems
16:14
i've been using that tftpserver for 6 years
16:14
I ran ltsp-update-image against the mounted new image and it broke something to do with the kerenls
16:14
<vagrantc>
yes, dnsmasq has been used in many LTSP installations for quite some time ... its merely my conservative nature that has left the defaults to more traditional servers.
16:14
<alkisg>
Jd0302: sure, we just can't help you without knowing the details
16:14
<maldridge>
alkisg: dnsmasq doesn't scale, and it lumps too many things into one process imho
16:14
<alkisg>
maldridge: we need dhcp, proxydhcp, and tftp
16:14
<maldridge>
vagrantc: not a package, it just gets deployed by ansible when the machine gets built
16:14
<alkisg>
we optionally need dns
16:15
<maldridge>
yes, and there are very fine servers for each of those
16:15
<alkisg>
So, dnsmasq is exactly what ltsp users need, not "too much..."
16:15
No
16:15
There's no other proxydhcp server
16:15
tftpd-hpa doesn't even start in recent ubuntu
16:15
<vagrantc>
maldridge: your ansible rules public?
16:15
<Jd0302>
perhaps i try ltsp-build-client -a i386?
16:15
<vagrantc>
maldridge: could probably suggest a simpler way to do it...
16:15
<alkisg>
And seting up bind is too difficult for simple ltsp users
16:15
<maldridge>
alkisg: I'm very aware of the tftpd-hpa issue, we had to switch to xinetd over that
16:15
<Jd0302>
i've rolled every thing back to how it was
16:15
<alkisg>
See? Non-standard installation anyway :)
16:16
<maldridge>
vagrantc: here's the role that applies the theme: https://github.com/utdlug/lug_config/tree/master/roles/ltsp-theme
16:16
<alkisg>
Jd0302: ltsp-build-client means to completely erase your chroot and start from zero
16:17
If you're going to do that, it would be better to use something more recent, like jessie or stretch or ubuntu 16.04
16:17
<Jd0302>
ah yes there phewwwww!!!
16:17
i just ran ltsp-update-kernels again
16:18
paniced like a mofo!!!
16:18
that was better then taking drugs
16:19
<highvoltage>
you really need better drugs
16:19
<vagrantc>
maldridge: what's the problem, that's pretty straightforward ... ?
16:19
<maldridge>
vagrantc: it doesn't actually work, the default theme still shows up
16:20
<Jd0302>
so I have to wonder if my attempt to update to the new image worked i just needed to run that command
16:21
7961 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /srv/tftp
16:21
alkisg wheres this newer image you speak of?
16:22
<alkisg>
!precise-i386
16:22
<ltsp>
precise-i386: Ubuntu 12.04 compressed btrfs chroot to boot really old clients (non-pae, >=64MB RAM): http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images. You can find the image, a screenshot and a README there.
16:22
<alkisg>
I can upload it there in half an hour if you want it
16:22
stretch-i386
16:22
<Jd0302>
yes please certainly if you think its going to beneficial
16:22
tobe
16:23
<alkisg>
Jd0302: are you using nbd or nfs?
16:23
<Jd0302>
nbd
16:23
<alkisg>
So you run ltsp-update-image after each change?
16:23
<Jd0302>
yeh
16:23
<alkisg>
OK, with this one you won't have to
16:24
<Jd0302>
ah ok that would be cooler
16:24
<vagrantc>
maldridge: is it reading the lts.conf?
16:24
<alkisg>
OK, I'll upload it
16:26
<maldridge>
vagrantc: I think so, but its been a while since I've had time to look into this problem
16:27
<markit>
hi alkisg, do you use "smart boards" on greek's school? How is FOSS working with them? I'm using them since 3 eyars but things are becoming worse and worse (hw support, dedicated foss programs abandoned, like ardesia and opensakoré, dvd included in school books for win and mac, nothing multiplatform)...
16:27
<alkisg>
Hi markit, I'm trying to convince schools that they're worthless junk :)
16:28
When they settle up on a touch input device and standarized software, i'll think about that again :)
16:28
<markit>
alkisg: yep, you are true but here public school is subject to to nothing rational, just firms that pushes their products (i.e. apple) for worthless, but expensive, hw
16:29
<vagrantc>
maldridge: the other option would be to run update-alternatives in the chroot
16:29* markit depressed as usual ;P
16:29
<vagrantc>
maldridge: but my guess is your lts.conf isn't getting read... or you have another rule overwriting the lts.conf?
16:29
<maldridge>
vagrantc: I'll check that out the next time I get a chance to work on that particular cluster. I have no other place that should manage lts.conf
16:30
<vagrantc>
maldridge: just started working with ansible last summer ... really liking it
16:31* vagrantc even vaguely suggested replacing ltsp with some ansible scripts
16:31
<vagrantc>
or using ansible as part of ltsp
16:31
but it might be overkill ... who knows.
16:31
<maldridge>
I like it a lot, we're actually moving a lot of my group's physical stuff into oVirt. Eventually we'd like to connect ltsp clients to vnc sessions on the oVirt cluster
16:31
<markit>
maldridge: try Proxmox project also
16:31
s/try/have a look
16:31
<maldridge>
its really cool to type one command and come back an hour later to a running clustert
16:32
markit: neat, I'll add it to my "to be researched" queue
16:33
<alkisg>
markit: fortunately I'm part of the public sector so I do have something to say about the hardware and software decisions of schools here :)
16:34
And there are not enough money for windows etc licenses, so it's easy to convince the authorities to propose linux to schools
16:34
<markit>
alkisg: if only we would have someone like you to take decisions here...
16:34
<maldridge>
markit: I haven't had issues with smartboards under linux just using them for touch, but I gave up long ago making the pens work
16:34
<alkisg>
That's why 90% of the secondary schools in my region have linux :)
16:34
<maldridge>
what do the primary schools run?
16:35
and have you ever seen backlash from parents/employers down the road?
16:35
<alkisg>
They don't all have computer labs so it's difficult to get statistics, but again linux in computer labs
16:35
Non IT teachers, outside the computer labs, run windows
16:35
I.e. in 1 PC with a projector or something like that
16:35
<maldridge>
ah, the typical podium setup
16:35
<markit>
don't you have "widows only software" that MUST be run? (of course, the teacher could do almost the same with FOSS, but the included dvd is so convenient...)
16:36
<alkisg>
I've heard cases of students asking their teacher for the linux installation CDs
16:36
<maldridge>
markit: the lab I manage is based on ubuntu, but I'm at a university so I can get away with it
16:36
<alkisg>
Not much negative feedback, no, except from the 10% of the teachers that haven't switch to linux yet
16:36
<markit>
ah, "Non IT teachers, outside the computer labs, run windows", we don't have IT teachers, only "monkeys"
16:36
<alkisg>
(not from the students; from the teachers that haven't tried it)
16:36
<maldridge>
most of the public schools here are way too much in MS's pocket
16:37
alkisg: very cool, I am glad you have been able to have such success
16:37* alkisg wouldn't have switch to linux if he hasn't
16:37
<alkisg>
...after 17 years of being a windows dev/sysadmin...
16:37
<maldridge>
yeah, its been so much easier after flipping the lab to linux
16:38
our breaking point was a particularly bad maintenence window where printing died and didn't come back; that was the point my team started seriously looking at linux solutions
16:38
<alkisg>
I run an office where we're responsible to repair the hardware and software of schools in my city
16:38
After switching most of them to linux, we're getting bored due to lack of work
16:39
<markit>
yes, a teacher said that I don't deserve money, since I go so rarely in the lab to fix things...
16:39
<alkisg>
Haha
16:39
<markit>
so I've a cronjob that freezes randomly the desktops ;P
16:39
<maldridge>
lol, but at least it runs reliably, they'd complain far louder if it didn't
16:39
<markit>
(joking ;P)
16:39
<alkisg>
Hahaha
16:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sounds like your team should consult remotely with other schools :)
16:40
if they're that bored.
16:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I'm also maintaing remotely 1000 other schools across greece :)
16:40
<vagrantc>
:)
16:40
<alkisg>
...and still have time to do some ltsp development :)
16:40
<vagrantc>
that's the best part.
16:40* markit amazed
16:41
<maldridge>
I'd pay good money to see a windows admin attempt the same feat, it would be funny
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<vagrantc>
maldridge: i don't know that they charge admission, but there are a number of school districts that *try*
16:42
<alkisg>
The best part is setting up chained epoptes, so that I administer the school servers, and their epoptes in turn see their clients
16:42
<markit>
well, I've meet a consultant of some catholic schools, they are promoting Apple-chains because more reliable than windows and so easy to deploy entire labs... he never heard about LTSP
16:42
(and in any case, schools software is done for win and mac, not GNU/Linux and even worse not multiplatform... often are just .exe that run html of avi stuff!)
16:42
<maldridge>
vagrantc: I know, I'm trying to build the idea of a company that does "managed" linux for districts here
16:43
<markit>
and I was shocked :(
16:43
<alkisg>
html/swf is good, it's easy to package to .deb
16:43
We've packaged about 20 GB of such software
16:44
<vagrantc>
maldridge: had mixed success here. ansible is the only reason it didn't go down in flames.
16:44
<alkisg>
If you set up a repository where they can just `apt-get install highschool` and get them all, they'll be impressed with linux
16:44
<maldridge>
vagrantc: with a school?
16:44
<vagrantc>
maldridge: but chromebooks are pretty much the major time sink now.
16:44
maldridge: yeah
16:44
<maldridge>
mind sharing where (roughly) ?
16:45
<alkisg>
vagrantc: how do they run educational software in chromebooks?
16:45
<vagrantc>
maldridge: portland, oregon, cascadia
16:45
<maldridge>
alkisg: they don't
16:45
<alkisg>
Like the potato guy or kturtle or gcompris?
16:45
...meh..
16:45
<maldridge>
alkisg: most american schools go to a web browser and then its all on the textbook company's servers
16:45
<vagrantc>
they just do online things.
16:46
<markit>
alkisg: packaging that content is probably a copyright infringment... (just a news http://news.slashdot.org/story/16/02/21/2022207/tpp-change-means-drastically-higher-penalties-for-copyright-infringement )
16:46
<maldridge>
vagrantc: neat, I'm looking more at the schools that aren't going to have the money to do hardware renewal *and* a windows 10 license
16:46
markit: I think in this case packaging is the same as a GPO, so its not really enforceable
16:47
i.e. its not public and is part of thier deployment toolchain
16:47
<vagrantc>
maldridge: whereabouts?
16:49
<maldridge>
vagrantc: Dallas, Tx
16:50
<markit>
maldridge: on dvd is cited "cannot copy, this dvd must be present in the dvd reader" etc.
16:51
<maldridge>
markit: what software?
16:51
I have never seen such a label on disks here, most of ours say something like "site copy, do not distribute"
16:51
<markit>
you know, in recent printed books (novels, essays) is also wrote that for your PERONAL USE, you can't photocopy more than 5 pages, and for more you have to aks the author...
16:52
maldridge: I've not one here, in general some that come with text books, or a dvd to teach to speak english (from Disney...)
16:52* maldridge is afk, unjamming a printer for the 3rd time this morning
16:53
<vagrantc>
ah, disney. that explains everything.
16:53
mickey mouse is about to expire... expect an extension on the number of years copyrighted works remain copyrighted.
16:53
any day now
16:54
<markit>
vagrantc: yep, maybe of one thousand years this time
16:55
I've to leave, bye you all :)
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<Jd0302>
argh damn now I am getting a error to do with nbd ... failed to connect to nbd server
17:05
looks like we will be rebuilding the whole ltsp from the begining now :( .. nbdport=2000 was missing I readded it and that begets a new set of errors
17:09
<alkisg>
markit, we're getting written permission from every software we package
17:10
(but most of it is published by the greek ministry of education anyway)
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<maldridge>
alkisg: I do have to ask, what program is "the potato guy"
17:14
<Jd0302>
right panic part 2 over of course I have nbd running on multiple ports 2000 for amd64 and 2002 for i386
17:15
ltsp is frightfull when you have not dabbled in the art for nearly 6 years ;(
17:15
<alkisg>
maldridge: https://games.kde.org/game.php?game=ktuberling
17:16
Kids 7-8 years old have a lot of fun with it :)
17:16
<Jd0302>
thats for the upload alkisg
17:17
thanks even
17:17
<alkisg>
Jd0302: no problem, I'm updating the md5sums now
17:18
<maldridge>
potato guy indeed
17:18
<alkisg>
Jd0302: recent nbd (like, 5 years ago) has switched from port 2000 to 10809+name based exports
17:18
maldridge: it's a famous concept, there are even real life ...dolls with that guy
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<alkisg>
I think it initially begun with actual potatoes
17:19
<maldridge>
yeah, seeing the picture makes way more sense now
17:20
<alkisg>
Jd0302: what's your ltsp server OS?
17:21
distro/version?
17:21* alkisg hopes that one isn't debian 6...
17:21
<maldridge>
wow, a debian 6 install in the wild at this point would really be something
17:22
<ogra_>
you just need to install it twice ... then you have debian 12
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17:22* alkisg can imagine installing twice ubuntu 5.04, but not 5.10... :)
17:22
<ogra_>
no, no ... that gets you 10.08
17:23
<alkisg>
10.20, interesting month there :D
17:23
<ogra_>
haha
17:27
<Jd0302>
yeah it si actually lol :(
17:29
<lbssousa>
Any ideas about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93072?
17:29
Ops! Sorry! Wrong channel...
17:42
<Jd0302>
ltsp-chroot -b /tmp -m -a precise-i386 ... what is the -m for ?
17:42
I dont have that option
17:44
<alkisg>
(07:20:56 μμ) alkisg: Jd0302: what's your ltsp server OS?
17:45
<Jd0302>
debian 6 as well
17:46
<alkisg>
Do you have squeeze-backports enabled?
17:46
I.e. ltsp 5.4 or ltsp 5.2?
17:47
(although ltsp 5.4 might be too old as well, we'll see...)
17:47
<Jd0302>
ah no i dont just reading instructions on backports now
17:51
<alkisg>
Jd0302: btw, did the mount option succeed? I'm not sure that your kernel would support btrfs if it's that old...
17:52
Since you're updating, maybe you should take the time to upgrade your server as well
17:52
<Jd0302>
yeah I am thinking about it seriously
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<alkisg>
Get it at least to jessie...
17:53
<Jd0302>
would make life allot easier
17:53
<alkisg>
Or just move everything to a subdir and install a clean jessie
17:53
That way you'll be able to revert if something doesn't work for you
17:54
<Jd0302>
yeah the mount option does work btw
17:54
<alkisg>
OK then with ltsp 5.4.2 (backports) you might be able to get it to work without upgrading
17:54
You'll also need a backported nbd-server probably
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<Jd0302>
yeah I think we will just upgrade to the latest ubuntu at the week end
18:03
stretch does not want to mount
18:08
precise did mount ok
18:08
<alkisg>
it's older :)
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<Jd0302>
thanks for your time any way alkisg
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<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<vagrantc>
debian 6 actually has long-term-support for another month or so
19:14
but yeah, upgrade! :)
19:14
<maldridge>
yes but support doesn't imply that things will work, as I think was proven here
19:15
<vagrantc>
well, it worked back then, but not necessarily compatible with hardware from the future.
19:16
<alkisg>
or software, like windows 2008, which was the initial reason he bothered :)
19:26
<Jd0302>
;) future
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