IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 October 2015   (all times are UTC)

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01:28
<djohnston>
jammcq, are you here?
01:28
<jammcq>
hey hey
01:28
<djohnston>
How are you?
01:28
<jammcq>
good
01:28
am I picking you up in portland?
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05:26
<cyberorg>
alkisg, hi, there is no .gnome2/keyring, we got it in .local/share/keyring
05:26
couldn't duplicate the issue
05:26
<alkisg>
cyberorg: that's the same here in newer versions
05:26
It still happens
05:26
!vnc-dide
05:26
<ltsp>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
05:27
<alkisg>
cyberorg: can I have a look?
05:32
cyberorg: now we just need something to access the keyrings
05:32
<cyberorg>
whats the tool called?
05:32* alkisg checks locally...
05:33
<alkisg>
cyberorg: seahorse
05:33
cyberorg: I lost the vnc access
05:33
<cyberorg>
hold on
05:34
<alkisg>
Anything would do, e.g. if you have stored passwords in firefox, chrome, thunderbird...
05:35
cyberorg: feel free to Ctrl+C the daemon :)
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05:36
<alkisg>
If you leave it running, it pauses at 65001 files
05:36
But the next time it continues
05:36
<cyberorg>
so everyones got that bug
05:37
<alkisg>
After about gnome 3.10, yes
05:37
So I think I did the right thing to chmod -x it for all distros
05:38
If you could comment on the upstream bug report, I think it could gain some traction...
05:38
<cyberorg>
this affect thin as well as fat clients?
05:39
<alkisg>
If they ever use gnome-keyring-daemon, yes
05:39
E.g. if they use localapps firefox
05:39
<cyberorg>
how do you -x when using thin client
05:39
<alkisg>
It happens on init-ltsp.d
05:39
Ah, not on the server
05:39
It's only via sshfs
05:39
I.e. for localapps firefox, not server-side firefox
05:40
<cyberorg>
ok
05:49
alkisg, as you can see i've moved on to xfce, gnome really sucks
05:55
<alkisg>
+1000!!!!
05:55
At a time, KDE was default for debian
05:55
I wish then Ubuntu would select it as its default, it would have made things different
05:56
We're still defaulting to gnome-flashback here
05:56
(at Greek schools)
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08:08
<maldridge>
kde on debian was neat, I think though that they should have gone with xfce instead of gnome as the default
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08:15
<alkisg>
xfce is a DE without its own widgets library
08:15
I don't think it's a good choice, it would die without gnome
08:16
I mean, it might be an excellent choice for users, but not for distribution defaults
08:18
<maldridge>
ionno, at this point do you think it would die if gnome died? I think there's enough people out there to take over the gtk if need be
08:19
<alkisg>
It's not just gtk, it's all the daemons etc
08:20
It might take it over like mate did, but I don't think it would really continue its development
08:21
E.g. check digia for the qt equivalent, how many people it needs to support it
08:21
vs how many devs xfce has
08:21
<maldridge>
fair, I went all the way over to the wm camp because I got tired of gnome/systemd eating everything
08:22
<alkisg>
I don't mind if they do as long as they do it properly
08:23
It's very tiresome having to support all those different init systems and DEs etc
08:23
<maldridge>
I mind just since the current path involves dropping architectures, I'm still attatched to the power5 architecture
08:23
<alkisg>
systemd relies on linux specific features, right? So linux doesn't run on power5?
08:24
<maldridge>
linux does, but lots of systemd isn't being cross-compiled
08:24
<alkisg>
That would be a distribution specific thing, right?
08:24
(compilation, architectures...)
08:24
<maldridge>
you would think...
08:25
I suspect it has to do with the effort of supporting another architecture, power5 has AltiVec for math, which requires some consideration to ensure you don't take a performance hit
08:27
there are some distros that attempt to still cross-compile everything, but its not nearly as stable as it should be; doesn't matter that much, I can still run the systems I need to its more an annoyance that I can't keep upgrading my powerbook g4 with the same distro
08:50
<Hyperbyte>
o hi wats going on?
08:51
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: we're stopping i386 and amd64 support, from now on LTSP will only support powerbooks and amigas
08:52
<Hyperbyte>
That's good, because I actually still have an Amiga 500 sitting behind me.
08:53
Only 7mhz and 720kb ram though and no network. Will that be a problem?
08:53
<alkisg>
No not at all, we'll use it in the good old sense of x terminals
08:54
I.e. serial line connections :)
08:55
<Hyperbyte>
Nice, it has a serial port.
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08:57
<Hyperbyte>
Amiga 500's rock.
08:58
<maldridge>
lol, now that would be fantastic
08:59
wonder if there's any software out there to drive a classic X-terminal lab
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<santhoz>
Hello
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10:02
<muppis>
Hello.
10:03
<quinox>
...hi
10:04
<alkisg>
We are extremely rude, this nice naked blonde girl walked in, said Hello, and noone talked to her for one full minute...
10:04
<quinox>
shame on us
10:05
<muppis>
If blondies are not my type?
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10:29
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, you take one for the team.
10:40
<muppis>
Always for the team.
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11:02
<vmlintu>
Workbench would probably make quite snappy desktop..
11:04
<gvy>
alkisg, well someone went private obv'ly and they'll have a release some day
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17:22
<lbssousa>
work_alkisg, Phantomas: I've found a problem when I configure Epoptes to grab user input while assisting it.
17:23
Terminal windows are always out of focus, and I can't drag windows inside VNC screen.
17:24
It's very likely to be a bug in x11vnc when -grabptr option is passed.
17:24
<Phantomas>
lbssousa: yep, most probably
17:26
lbssousa: Did you see that happening for the first time?
17:27
I mean, is it something new or was it like this since we introduced using of the -grabptr option?
17:27
<lbssousa>
I'm not sure... TBH, I've never needed to drag windows before. I can work around this problem by disabling local keyboard in a similar fashion I'm doing to stop local mouse movement https://code.launchpad.net/~oiteam/epoptes/lock-pointer
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17:28
<lbssousa>
Ops!
17:29
It's not -grabptr. I mean -grabkbd.
17:30
Repeat, -grabkbd is the guilty.
17:30
<Phantomas>
lbssousa: ok, will test it.
17:31
<lbssousa>
I've observed it for the first time when I'm trying Epoptes server on Arch Linux (my clients run Jessie).
17:32
Now I've returned to Jessie in my server, but the problem persists.
17:36
<Phantomas>
lbssousa: Have you ever noticed a crash with Epoptes?
17:37
<lbssousa>
Nope.
17:39
<Phantomas>
ok, seems that there are occasionally some crashes for some users, so I'm focusing on fixing their causes right now. Regarding the vnc stuff, I'm actually thinking of implementing our own vnc server and client instead of using x11vnc/xvnc4viewer/etc
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17:40
<Phantomas>
but until then, we surely should check the mouse/keyboard grabbing problems
17:46
<lbssousa>
Phantomas: OK. Meanwhile I'll open an issue in https://github.com/LibVNC/x11vnc.
17:46
<Phantomas>
lbssousa: that'd be great. Thanks
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18:14
<alkisg>
lbssousa: I think that if some features cause instability, they should at least be opt-in, not defaults, right?
18:14
I.e. enabled only after the user selects them from some configuration
18:20
<lbssousa>
alkisg: sure, but it's already opt-in. There's a "hidden" option in ~/.config/epoptes/settings called "grabkbdptr" to handle this.
18:21
Currently there's no way to set it in Epoptes GUI, however.
18:21
<alkisg>
Good enough for me, as long as it's unstable :)
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18:34
<alkisg>
lbssousa: errr... epoptes runs on arch linux?!
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<lbssousa>
work_alkisg: yes. I'm helping a guy called Angel Caido to write a PKGBUILD. See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/epoptes-bzr
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<max>
hallo
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<Guest35713>
hi people
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22:44
<webcamhelp>
good day, have a query about using a webcam with ltsp
22:45
Is it possible to use a webcam on an ltsp client?
22:46
Trying to get this working with a logitech USB webcam, webcam works well with the server, but I can't seem to access it on a client/
22:58
<Hyperbyte>
It won't work out of the box. LTSP only works with USB filesystems, like USB optical drives, harddisks or sticks.
22:58
Which doesn't mean what you want to do isn't possible, it's just going to require someone with intimate LTSP knowledge to see how.
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22:59
<Hyperbyte>
AND STAY OUT.
22:59
:-/
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