IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 September 2014   (all times are UTC)

01:32
<kb8wmc>
what is the method to select and install an older image in the LTSP server...I want to install an Ubuntu image specifically 2.6.32-122-RTAI...thank you in advance
01:36
<vagrantc>
that's just a kernel, not an image...
01:41
<kb8wmc>
vagrantc: sorry, you are absolutely correct
01:42
I want to install the appropriate image in LTSP
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01:54
<kb8wmc>
vagrantc: I think I may have found a way to do what I want by installing from the Ubuntu CD, I found it on the Debian page, but need to read it over again...
02:24
<vagrantc>
if you've got a livecd that does what you want, you can configure that to boot over the network, but it's not really LTSP
02:51
<work_alkisg>
kb8wmc: what's the difference between RTAI and http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-image-lowlatency ?
02:51work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
02:54
<alkisg>
Is the package you want there http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/lucid/base/binary-i386/ ?
02:55
E.g. http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/lucid/base/binary-i386/linux-image-2.6.32-122-rtai_2.6.32-122.35.rtai_i386.deb
02:56
gdi2k_: I think linux correctly focuses on "disable access to resources, not applications"
02:57
E.g. if you want to prohibit web browsing, and block firefox, the users can launch firefox from a usb stick or wherever
02:57
While, if you block internet access at the network level (per user), you no longer need to restrict browsers...
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03:19
<kb8wmc>
alkisg: thanks for your input...the link I looked at is as follows: https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto it seems as though I can install to LTSP from a CD/DVD
03:20
<alkisg>
kb8wmc: I can't say I understood what you already have and what you want to do now, but if you need help, you could start by analyzing your situation...
03:20
I thought that the problem was "how to install a custom kernel to ltsp"
03:20
<kb8wmc>
I have so far attempted several times all with same results using different methods and the image that does get installed is 2.6.32-65-generic...
03:22
I want the clients to have the 2.6.32-122-RTAI image so that all of the components provided work properly
03:23
<alkisg>
That's what I though
03:23
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03:23
To do that, you (1) install ltsp however you want, and (2) install the kernel
03:23
By the way, which components need that kernel?
03:24
<kb8wmc>
several involving CAD and CAM applications
03:25
<alkisg>
Which distribution and version are you using for your ltsp chroot?
03:27
<kb8wmc>
Ubuntu 10.04 2.6.32-122-RTAI which is the default for Ubuntu with LinuxCNC
03:28
<alkisg>
The LinuxCNC site has kernels for 12.04 too, don't you want to use a more recent version?
03:29
<kb8wmc>
hmmmm....I did not know that and I check in there frequently....I must have missed that...tnx for that info will take a look immediately
03:29
<alkisg>
E.g. http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/precise/base/binary-i386/linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae_3.4.55-3linuxcnc_i386.deb
03:32
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6 ==> Fresh install on Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise)
03:32
<kb8wmc>
alkisg: thanks so much, I completely missed that as I generally go directly to the forums and not the main page...but I must admit to missing any recent announcements related to it....thanks so much for your input
03:32
I will be doing the upgrade from 10.04 then
03:33
only excuse I have is old age and dry rot
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08:05
<SYS64738>
hi
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08:28
<alkisg>
!nbd-clients
08:28
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'nbd-clients', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nbd-client'
08:28
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
08:28
<ltsp`>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
08:29
<alkisg>
!client-list
08:29
<ltsp`>
client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
08:30
<alkisg>
Εκείνα όταν τα ξεκινάς, βλέπεις αρχική οθόνη με τον grub;
08:30
sorry
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09:07
<joamuran>
Hello!
09:08
A question... is there any manner to specify via tftpboot where is lts.conf file?
09:13
Basing in patch suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1339671, we are working on file 05-getltsconffile to merge two lts.conf config files. One in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (the original), and other in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/image_name/lts.conf
09:14
<alkisg>
ltspd will deprecate lts.conf, so don't spend too much time on it...
09:15
<joamuran>
note that we have specific name folders for images and chroots (/opt/ltsp/image1 /opt/ltsp/image2 and their images in /opt/ltsp/images/image1.img and /opt/ltsp/images/image2.img)
09:15
really??
09:15
and wich config file will it use??
09:15
<alkisg>
Files in /etc/ltsp/config.d
09:16
<joamuran>
interesting... but is it in use yet?
09:16
<alkisg>
no
09:17
<joamuran>
and i suppose that's not documented yet...
09:17
<alkisg>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
09:18
<joamuran>
Thanks! We'll be pay attention on this... by now we'll try to workaround our config problem with lts.conf
09:19
<alkisg>
lts.conf place is derived from the boot file name
09:19
So it should be able to access /ltsp/i386/lts.conf or /ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
09:20
...if you pass /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 etc respectively
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09:22
<joamuran>
and if image has been created with option --chroot "name", which file does it take?
09:22
<alkisg>
Whatever you put in dhcpd.conf
09:22
The image name doesn't matter at all
09:22
<joamuran>
we use dnsmasq
09:23
<alkisg>
in proxydhcp mode?
09:23
Or in normal dhcp mode?
09:23
<joamuran>
and we don't specify nothing fot pxelinux.0
09:23
<alkisg>
dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
09:23
dhcp-boot=net:etherboot,/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
09:23
dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:23
Those are the lines that you should have in dnsmasq.conf
09:23
<joamuran>
sorry... we have this...
09:23
<alkisg>
You can generate an appropriate dnsmasq.conf with `sudo ltsp-config dnsmasq`
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09:24
<alkisg>
So, by sending different dhcp-boot options per client, you can specify the lts.conf location
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09:24
<joamuran>
dhcp-boot=tag:!ENH, /ltsp/undionly.kpxe # if request comes from ipxe, direct boot dhcp-boot=tag:ENH, /ltsp/boot/bootstrap.ipxe
09:24
<alkisg>
And bootstrap downloads the kernel directly? Or pxelinux.0?
09:25
<joamuran>
we use ipxe, and a menu geneted dynamicly with php
09:25
<alkisg>
Anyways it doesn't matter
09:25
What's the output of this, on the client?
09:25
cat /proc/cmdline
09:26
If it doesn't contain "IP=xxx" there, which is the normal thing, then lts.conf is specified via dhcp
09:26
The client does a dhcp request at the initramfs, after it gets the kernel etc
09:27
At that point, it's using "Linux ipconfig" or "udhcp" as the client identifier
09:27
So that's what you're supposed to match in dnsmasq.conf
09:27
dhcp-vendorclass=etherboot,Etherboot
09:27
dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
09:27
dhcp-vendorclass=ltsp,"Linux ipconfig"
09:28
<joamuran>
IP is specified in cmdline
09:28
<alkisg>
Then you're using IPAPPEND=3, bypassing the initramfs dhcp request
09:28
Or some custom ipxe script
09:28
<joamuran>
yes, we use ipappend 3
09:28
<alkisg>
That's why lts.conf location doesn't work for you
09:29
<joamuran>
In syslog we can see:
09:29
Sep 10 11:28:04 server dnsmasq-tftp[3146]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf to 10.2.1.211
09:29
Sep 10 11:28:04 server dnsmasq-tftp[3146]: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lite/lts.conf not found
09:30
in 05-getltsconffile we get the two files
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09:32
<joamuran>
we have tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file, and a symbolic link in tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf to this
09:33* alkisg isn't sure what the question is at this point...
09:34
<joamuran>
I'll review dnsmasq config and I'll tell you anythin... thanks!
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12:02
<joamuran>
Thanks alkisg! finally we are modifying our implementation of 05-getltsconffile to get directly the lts.conf file, because it seems that could not build pathonly correctly. We'll keep in mind the change to new config files in LTSP 6 (when is it planned to be out? We'll have to re-adjust some things to be prepared! :-P)
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17:36
<greavette>
Hello. Could someone point me to where I can setup applications to run in autostart by user? I can see in lts.conf where I can autostart applications for all users. But for individual users who login to my LTSP server how do I specify which applications to autostart for each user? Thank you.
17:37
To clarify, can someone point me to documentation that helps me with setting up autostart for applications by user. Thank you.
17:37
<vagrantc>
it's dependent on the desktop
17:38
but you might look at /etc/xdg/autostart/
17:38
<greavette>
I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 desktop with my ltsp server.
17:38
<vagrantc>
several desktop environments use /etc/xdg/autostart/
17:38
there's nothing LTSP-specific about it, though
17:38
<greavette>
I see...wouldn't /etc/xdg/autostart be for every user that logins though?
17:40
<vagrantc>
per-user settings would probably go in each user's homedir then...
17:40
you could also set up autostart files that do nothing depending on the user...
17:41
i don't know where exactly it goes in the homedir, it tends to change faster than the way the wind blows
17:43
<greavette>
:) thanks for the replies. I know I could create my own autostart file in .config in each users home directory if this wasn't ltsp...but if I chroot in and look at home I see no users? How would I be able to see each users folder to add in the autostart file and see if this works?
17:56
<vagrantc>
the user management is done on the server, not in the client chroot
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17:57
<greavette>
If I wanted to have one client unique in that their desktop looks different (differnt shortcuts maybe). How is this done? Or can it be done?
18:00
I've been digging through the options in lts.conf as well. I can see where there is a setting that allows a user to auto login based on an IP address: [192.168.1.101] LDM_USERNAME = user1 LDM_PASSWORD = password1. Under the IP Address am I allowed to use screen to execute a script?
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18:40
<vagrantc>
greavette: you can use any variable you could set in lts.conf
18:40
!lts.conf
18:40
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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18:52
<greavette>
Thanks vagrantc...yes I'm reviewing the options available. What I'm wondering though is can I set for example screen scripts by IP address?
18:57
<vagrantc>
SCREEN_01, SCREEN_02, etc.
18:58
greavette: see the manpage entry titled: "LTS.CONF OPTIONS - SCREEN SCRIPTS"
19:08
<greavette>
Hmmm, so it appears I can. Nice. This will help a bit. Can bash scripts be used in Screen scripts? Is that what 'xterml' means?
19:12
<vagrantc>
the "xterm" screen script merely starts an xterm, but you can write whatever screen scripts you want that call whatever you want.
19:13
greavette: maybe i misunderstand your original question, though ...
19:14
greavette: if you were referring to the program called "screen", that is someting else entirely.
19:15
LTSP SCREEN SCRIPTS are scripts that run on the tty console (i.e. SCREEN_02 runs on tty2), and are only actually tarted when the tty becomes active.
19:23
<greavette>
Sorry, perhaps I'm not explaining myself correctly. I'm looking to start applications by user. One way to do this would be to use a bash script So in lts.conf by IP Address it would appear I can use Screen Scripts (ie: screen_01) to do things for me. I'm wondering if I can use these screen scripts to execute my bash script to start applications by IP Address?
19:24
<vagrantc>
no, LTSP screen scripts don't sound like what you want.
19:24
greavette: it's used to start up the login manager, or a debugging shell.
19:24
greavette: they aren't particularly useful to start applications on a per-user basis.
19:25
<greavette>
Ok. Do you know of a way to execute bash scripts by user (or IP Address) in LTSP?
19:25
<vagrantc>
greavette: you basically want /etc/xdg/autostart/, but defined per-user or per thin client, from lts.conf?
19:27
greavette: why not just write .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart/ that execute scripts that determine what to tart based on username?
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19:45
<greavette>
vagrantc - Thank you for the suggestion. It would appear this would work for me. I do appreciate you taking the time to respond to my questions. Much appreciated.
19:52
<vagrantc>
another way would be to write an ldm/rc.d hook that uses the ssh tunnel to start applications, but then they wouldn't be started with the full session
19:53
so they might be mising some environment variables like dbus and whatnot
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19:57
<alfubuntu>
have a good afternoon with ltsp client windows xfrerdp share the problem is that / var / run / drives and if I see a AFolder with ters my usb memory but does not have open files is empty
19:59
any suggestions and look on google and nothing much as I do that the files in the usb connected to thinclient look
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