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Channel log from 31 March 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
!seen sbalneav
01:36
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 12 hours, 6 minutes, and 1 second ago: <sbalneav> No "process" magic.
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<alkisg>
nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
05:38
How could I rewrite this to work for local networks only?
05:38
nbdrootd: 10. 192.168.: keepalive ? or does it need 2 lines?
05:47
Ah, commas...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I have installed gnome via "sudo apt-get -y install gnome-core gdm network-manager-gnome fast-user-switch-applet human-theme x11-xserver-utils tangerine-icon-theme gnome-themes-ubuntu ubuntu-artwork jockey-gtk gnome-screensaver gnome-utils", and I keep getting an applet error whenever I log in as a new user
08:39
the error is: "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUSserSwitchApplet".
08:40
This was installed this way on ubuntu server to strip out all the un-needed stuff that installes with the Ubuntu-desktop package
08:40
from what I understand, fast_user_switch is no longer used in 9.10
08:40
so what is attempting to start this?
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<mgariepy>
good morning all
09:01
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, hi, i've added lvda(?) hack to new opensuse images let me know if it serves your purpose
09:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: LVDS and awesome! :D I'll check that out to see if it's working.
09:01
<mgariepy>
hey alkisg, your fat client are working properly ?
09:02
<alkisg>
mgariepy: sure, my daughter is just playing xmame games beside me on one :)
09:02
<mgariepy>
alkisg, are you using lucid or karmic ?
09:02
<alkisg>
Lucid, but I heard 2 people here that tried it on Karmic successfully
09:04
<mgariepy>
ok, i'll try to update my chroot then, i have kind of a weird issue, it's working properly only on even day .. and today it's a odd one..
09:04
<alkisg>
Heh, what's the problem that you get?
09:05
<mgariepy>
all my process get stuck in a IOWAIT then i got kernel msg that tell me that process got stuck for more then 120 secondes.
09:06
<alkisg>
woah, never saw that...
09:06
<mgariepy>
i hope updating the chroot will fix the issue.
09:06
<alkisg>
That on karmic?
09:06
<mgariepy>
lucid
09:06
<alkisg>
Yeah, maybe a temporary break then
09:06
<mgariepy>
it's very weird.
09:06
<alkisg>
Did you update the chroot recently?
09:06
<mgariepy>
i haven't updated it in a whil.e
09:07
<alkisg>
E.g. I tried to update it but I got a broken dbus on update, which would have gotten me problems if I hadn't noticed it...
09:07
<mgariepy>
it was working great for 2 weeks..
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<Lns>
Good morning/afternoon/evening/twilight all
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<abeehc>
morning!
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hi lns, hi abeehc
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<Lns>
hey
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<abeehc>
i had a new query the other day
13:31
how might one expose an ltsp desktop session to a vpn user
13:32
i think i'm going to boot a thinclient via vmware and expose vnc to in this case a windows client
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<alkisg>
abeehc: why not just use freenx/neatx?
13:52
If it's just remote desktop you're after, why do you want LTSP?
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<abeehc>
hmm
14:02
i'd rather use it than windows terminal server
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am i alone in that? hehe
14:02
just something that crossed my mind cause some of my users aren't quick enough to ensure the files they need to work on are on a network drive
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and so as it is they all remote into a ms 2003 terminal server and in some cases can't access the files they'd expect
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or their thunderbird is lacking signature
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small things really
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ltsp seems to be a good fit here as it is outside of the perf problems i've been working on
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in the end i just gotta train the users to use their network drives better i suppose
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<Lns>
abeehc: you can expose it to a VPN user via X11, you don't need LTSP or anything like that
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<abeehc>
yeah that's along the lines of what i was thinking
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though naturally these people are all running windows clients at home
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haven't looked at windows x11 implementations for a long time haha
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i should probly be looking at this freenx
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<Lns>
abeehc: but as alkisg said, freenx/neatx/vnc would be a better approach most likely
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<abeehc>
:)
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<Lns>
;)
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<vbundi>
is there an alsa config file to set the default output device on a particular card?, ie digital vs analog, and is there a shell command for showing a list of available outputs?
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<Lns>
vbundi: try looking at alsactl and alsaset
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<vbundi>
Lns: hmm I didn't see a 'list' option but I found /var/lib/alsa/asound.state shows the inputs/outputs configured... this might help
16:25
<Lns>
vbundi: i know i've used alsaset/ctl to turn on/off headphone jack sense before, i'd think you can pretty much do anything you want with those two =)
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<vbundi>
Lns: yeah I don't have alsaset on this system
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<Lns>
oh sorry, that might have been wrong...alsactl works well though
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argh...ok try amixer
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<vbundi>
Lns: so if I'm trying to configure a soundcard for a terminal.... would I be running alsactl and or editing a conf file from a local xterm then or from a gnome-terminal
16:29
Lns: I'm thinking the former... but I can't find /var/lib/alsa/asound.state in the local system
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<Lns>
vbundi: you'd be using it from the shell on the local terminal
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<vbundi>
Lns: only command I can find on the local xterm is alsamixer... upon running it I get 'cannot open mixer: No such file or directory'
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<Lns>
weird
16:32
it's detecting your sound card though?
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<alkisg>
vbundi: add /sbin to your path
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<vbundi>
alkisg: there are no alsa programs in /usr/sbin/
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<alkisg>
Not /usr/sbin, just /sbin
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<vbundi>
doh
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<Lns>
hehe
16:33
thx akl
16:33
alkisg*
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<alkisg>
np
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<Lns>
alkisg: i take it you've been down that road before?
16:34
<alkisg>
Missing path? Sure :D
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<Lns>
hahaha
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<alkisg>
!shell-screen
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "shell-screen" :: One way to get local root access to troubleshoot a thin client is to use a shell SCREEN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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<alkisg>
^^ that works better than localxterm for system commands
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<vbundi>
alkisg: if I want to change my default output device.... should I be looking at alsa or pulseaudio
16:37
<alkisg>
No idea about sound, sorry
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<vbundi>
I only have one 'card' but it has 2 outputs... it's defaulting to output to the speaker jack, but I want it to use the internal speaker
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<alkisg>
I think alsa, not pulse
16:38
One of those commands lists your outputs,
16:38
and then you can turn that into an lts.conf parameter I think...
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<vbundi>
oh
16:38
be great if that was in the man entry :P
16:39
aplay -l woo
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awesome.. no soundcards found.
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!docs
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<ltspbot`>
vbundi: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<vbundi>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot`>
vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
vbundi: check the amixer command
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If you can do it with amixer, you can probably do it from lts.conf too
16:45
The code is in ltsp-init-common...
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<vbundi>
yeah I get 'amixer: Mixer attach default error: no such file or directory'
16:46
<vagrantc>
yay. LXDE upstream wrote and committed to support LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION :)
16:46
now i just need to figure out how to get them to work...
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<alkisg>
Great!
16:47
We need to bug sbalneav to push it to gnome-session too :)
16:47
vbundi: did you try with a root xterm?
16:47
Or are you trying with a user one?
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<vbundi>
on a side note, at one spot in the http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man5/lts.conf.5.html it says local_apps = false by default, and lower down it says it's true by default
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: do you have any links for lxde?
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(the logout action, I mean...:))
16:49
<vagrantc>
i'm looking for them myself
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<vbundi>
alkisg: ah been using a user one...
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<alkisg>
!shell-screen
16:50
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "shell-screen" :: One way to get local root access to troubleshoot a thin client is to use a shell SCREEN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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<alkisg>
vbundi, follow that one ^^
16:50
<vbundi>
alkisg: I have set /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf to have SCREEN_02 = shell and I cannot switch to it
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<alkisg>
Is your client amd64?
16:51
<vbundi>
alkisg: yes
16:51
<alkisg>
Do you have [Default] on top of that file?
16:51
<vbundi>
alkisg: not that I care about using amd64, I just happened to be using it at the time
16:51
alkisg: yes
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<alkisg>
Can you put your dhcpd.conf to pastebin?
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/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<vbundi>
k
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http://pastebin.com/JLQYT4ew
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940 <== I got the C equivalent there
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vbundi: distro/version?
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<vbundi>
lucid 10.04 x64
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: http://bugs.debian.org/564264
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<alkisg>
vbundi: can you also upload your lts.conf to pastebin?
16:55
<vbundi>
yea
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http://pastebin.com/RkYJWz3P
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: congrats man... what are you looking for now? their git?
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vbundi: there's something wrong obviously... well you can unlock your root account to get proper local access to the client
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm browsing http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=summary
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<alkisg>
(and then run ltsp-update-image)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: but i get the impression it's not pushed there yet...
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<alkisg>
Yeah it must be in some private repo
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*branch
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<vagrantc>
can't figure out how to pull from sourceforge git repositories...
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ah, found it...
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<vbundi>
alkisg: weird... rebooting the terminal seems to have fixed it, this has happened to me a couple times now
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<alkisg>
vbundi: maybe you have another dhcp server around?
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<vagrantc>
hrm. doesn't work.
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<alkisg>
vbundi: try to make a symlink in the tftp directory, i386, which points to amd64
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<vbundi>
I do have another dhcp server... I didn't think that would mess with my screens though
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<alkisg>
vbundi: the ltsp scripts try to locate lts.conf from the tftp filename
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So, if the other server doesn't send a boot filename, they try to locate it to the default location, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<vbundi>
ah, I was about to ask why the symlink... but that's good anyways.. then I don't have to edit two files
17:09
regardless... I doubt I'll be running these clients as amd64 in the long run, so I'll probably switch them back to i386 to save future hassle
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<alkisg>
(you might also want to disable the 2nd dhcp server, it just brings headaches... :))
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<vbundi>
alkisg: I am familiar with these 'headaches'... now trying to swtich back to SCREEN_07 I get nothing
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<alkisg>
You did manage to get a SCREEN_02?
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<vbundi>
yep but can't go back now
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<alkisg>
Maybe it isn't on vt7
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There were some bugs in lucid
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Try vt3, vt4 etc
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<vbundi>
ahh good call it got moved to vt1
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SCREEN_07=ldm is specified though
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<alkisg>
Yeah that vt switching code is cursed
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<vbundi>
sweet
17:18
yeah I recall seeing talk about it the other day
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<alkisg>
Anyway, so try amixer on screen_02
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If you get sound using that, you'll probably be able to do it from lts.conf afterwards
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<vbundi>
yeah I'm getting output from that
17:19
gotta figure out which device is what now... they aren't named the same in this vs the gnome-panel app
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<alkisg>
amixer controls, amixer scontrols etc
17:20
Those names are also used in lts.conf, so forget about the gnome mixer...
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Anyway, it's late here, good night all...
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<vbundi>
yeah have a good one... thanks for the help
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