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Channel log from 6 March 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
but it may require a dist-upgrade rather than a regular upgrade
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Ryan52: near the bottom of debian-policy 7.6.1 it mentions something regarding conflicts
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Ryan52: "it can only happen if they do not conflict or ..."
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<Ryan52>
what does Replaces do then?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: other than wholly replacing a package, it's not real clear to me...
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Ryan52: seems like using "Breaks" might be more appropriate, once it's supported ...
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, do i need to have DNS server running for ltsp?
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<cyberorg>
greenmang0, no, but it is nice if you have one
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, ok, actually ltsp install on debian doesn't install any dns package
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but dnsmasq is listed on ltsp wiki
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cyberorg, i actually read a wikipedia article about how ltsp works, and found nothing mentioned about DNS
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<cyberorg>
i think dnsmasq is used in place of dhcpd
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, yeah, as mentioned on ltsp wiki
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<cyberorg>
on suse we install dns server just to make setting things up simple
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<greenmang0>
which one? dnsmasq?
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<cyberorg>
named for dns
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, ok, bind9 you mean
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<cyberorg>
yes
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, as per ltsp wiki, dnsmasq act's as a tftpd and dhcpd as well, same applies for named? or you install tftpd as well?
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<cyberorg>
named is just a DNS server
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, ok
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<greenmang0>
cyberorg, i am trying ltsp with dnsmasq
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cyberorg, i disabled inetd and tftpd-hpa and dhcpd as well
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cyberorg, but client is able to boot only with nbi.img
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cyberorg, and not pxe boot
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<Guaraldo>
Hi, all...
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<Guaraldo>
I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
07:34
The log shows only few things...
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the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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<Guaraldo>
hi, all
08:21
I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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The log shows only few things...
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the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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does anyone can help me?
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<Guaraldo>
hi, all
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I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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The log shows only few things...
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the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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does anyone can help me?
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<yggdrasill_>
still no success with Xorg configuration
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does anybody give me an Idea?
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Scenario: fuji siemens server with ubuntu 8.04 installed and a video card Matrox g200
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clients Fujy futro with ati radeon installed
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monitor wide 1680x1050
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in lts.conf CONFIGURE_X=true
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and XSERVER set to radeon
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No way.
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Only vesa mode accepted at 1280x1024
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any aidea?
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<Gadi1>
yggdrasill_: the xorg log file on the client is your friend
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<yggdrasill_>
hmmm.... I saw no relevant info there...
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<mushroomblue>
yggdrasill_: what's the video chipset?
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<yggdrasill_>
I also tried to install the proprietary ati drivers
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on the image but got errors
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the chipset is ati radeon x1250
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<Gadi1>
yggdrasill_: if you cannot get a display, xorg log should tell you why
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<mushroomblue>
yggdrasill_: yeah, at that point, it's really not an LTSP issue; it's X-related. :)
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<yggdrasill_>
i was suppose so...
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<mushroomblue>
anyone run an LTSP server in Virtualbox?
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<yggdrasill_>
I did in my tests
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<alkisg>
mushroomblue: yeah, I've tried it once...
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<mushroomblue>
I'm trying to rule-out that being my problem; forwarding a USB printer isn't working.
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<Gadi1>
mushroomblue: did you set up a print queue?
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ltsp only makes it look like a jetdirect printer
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<mushroomblue>
I did.
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wait.
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so it'll be /dev/usblp0 locally only?
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<Gadi1>
it does not set up the queue
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huh?
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<yggdrasill_>
gadil, but you mean the xlog on the server /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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<Gadi1>
yggdrasill_: no on the client
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server is irrelevant
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<yggdrasill_>
I see, so you mean the var/log of image..
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<mushroomblue>
Gadi1: I was expecting to see a /dev/usblp0 (or /dev/usb/lp0) being forwarded to the server. I'm assuming I'm totally wrong?
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<Gadi1>
yggdrasill_: you should install ssh on the client image, and give a root password, so you can ssh into the client with the server set to radeon and see why it failed in the client xorg logs
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<yggdrasill_>
virtual box still have problem in usb forwarding
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<Gadi1>
mushroomblue: indeed
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<mushroomblue>
awesome.
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<Gadi1>
mushroomblue: all we do is redirect /dev/usblp0 as a jetdirect printer (ip of client: port 9100)
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<yggdrasill_>
vmware 2.0 server solved the usb forwarding and in my case works perfectly
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<Gadi1>
so, you need to, on the server, add a printer, type jetdirect, host=ip of client, port = 9100
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and treat the printer as a network printer
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<mushroomblue>
Gadi1: thank you. that makes me feel way less angry about life. I spent the last day trying to figure that out. :)
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<Gadi1>
think of it as having a little HP JetDirect box connected to the printer
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hehe - no worries
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<yggdrasill_>
but listen, to install something on the image... you shold move to //opt/ltsp/i386 and chroot this, isnt't it?
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<Gadi1>
I assume the docs are rough around the edges on this one
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:)
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<mushroomblue>
oh god yes.
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<Gadi1>
yggdrasill_: do this:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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apt-get update
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export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
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apt-get install ssh
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passwd
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(enter root password)
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passwd -u root
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exit
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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then, reboot the client
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<yggdrasill_>
ok
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<Gadi1>
with no XSERVER or CONFIGURE_X entries
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and see what it does by default
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and by see, I mean ssh into the client as root
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and look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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<yggdrasill_>
i see....
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great
12:56
thank you for the info.
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<Gadi1>
no problem
12:57
I find with Xorg's major shift, I am debugging video drivers a lot these days
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:)
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<yggdrasill_>
but if you chroot to /opt...
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<mushroomblue>
major shift?
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<yggdrasill_>
you have no ltsp-update-image available cause it it on different root
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<Gadi1>
yeah, Xorg 1.5 changed a lot of things
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and drivers had to adapt
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some adapted better than others
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:P
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yggdrasill_: note the "exit"
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<mushroomblue>
hah.
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<Gadi1>
usually the ones that are the most open and most popular adapted better
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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The log shows only few things...
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the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself... can you help me?
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<Gadi1>
hmm... LTSP 4?
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: Yep...
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<Gadi1>
thats weird
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: maybe youe heard about this enviroment... Do you remember Marlon?
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<Gadi1>
I am trying to think what would explain that
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which marlon?
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<Guaraldo>
Marlon Dutra
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<Gadi1>
sure
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mfdutra
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right?
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<Guaraldo>
So... I work to him...
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exactly
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<Gadi1>
hmm...
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when it unmounts, does the ltspfs mount go away?
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in the server's /proc/mounts
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: Yes...
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<Gadi1>
does it happen with all usb sticks or just this one?
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: Sometimes, plugging pen-drive again corrects the problem, othertimes, it doesn't...
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<Gadi1>
is it an unpartitioned stick?
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that is, does it come up as /dev/sda and not /dev/sda1
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: All sticks that those old udev finds... there are some sticks that can't be found by udev...
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<Guaraldo>
We'll have to think a way to make LTSP5 be expansive to reach sistems like this (clusters, more than 1000 clients, and so)...
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load/users balance...
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things like that...
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<Gadi1>
have you looked at ltsp-cluster?
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stgraber's guys deploy ltsp in just that way
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<Guaraldo>
But for now I need to make it work fast...
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<Gadi1>
1000s of clients, etc
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi1: I'll test this..
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<Gadi1>
yeah, not sure about the usb stick problem
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back then, we were using lbus+ltspfs
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not sure how fragile the whole thing was
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: I'm sure it is nearly a workarround... :-D Just kidding...
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Gadi: Used to work very well untill we change to Ubuntu 8.04
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<Gadi>
hmm... may be a nautilus issue?
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try accessing the drive from the terminal
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and see if it unmounts
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: The same thing occurs on rdesktop enviroment
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<Gadi>
are there a lot of files on the drive?
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if there are a lot of images, I seem to remember issues with graphical file browsers and creating thumbnails and such
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<rjune_>
!seen cliebow
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<ltspbot>
rjune_: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <cliebow> there is ome Great stuff there!
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<Gadi>
rjune_: hey!
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<rjune_>
Gadi, you're up new england way, do you know if the maple season is three months long?
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<Gadi>
dude, I am a new yorker
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there's maple syrup in the supermarket all year round
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<rjune_>
LOL
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I'm making my own.
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<Gadi>
your own supermarket?
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ambitious
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<Guaraldo>
LOL
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rjune_: Good luck
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<rjune_>
LOL
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no my own maple syrup
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everybody's a comedian
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Will we make a LTSP HackFest during FISL10?
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<knipwim>
ok, i can boot into the ltsp greeter
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but when i enter username and password of a user on the server it stalls for 30s with
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verifying password. please wait
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and then a no repsonse from server, restarting
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<alkisg>
knipwim: distro, version?
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<knipwim>
gentoo, ltsp 5
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<johnny>
and sshd is running on the server?
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<knipwim>
yep
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<johnny>
check your ldm.log on the client
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<knipwim>
ah
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expect saw: The authenticity of host '192.168.0.52 (192.168.0.52)' can't be established.
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<johnny>
hmm.. it should have copied the keys over
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<knipwim>
might have something to do with it
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<johnny>
yes it does
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it means the client doesn't have the server keys
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run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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it sounds like your install got interrupted
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which according to your bug comments.. is true
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i really need to fix the ebuild for ldm to require iso-codes
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<knipwim>
:)
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<nicros>
anyone here using LTSP-Cluster?
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<knipwim>
johnny: nice one, thanks for the ltsp-update-sshkeys
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my first ltsp boot!
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<johnny>
knipwim, i've been really hoping for pieces of gentoo itself that we need to stabilize before really pushing forward and dealing with certain issues
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like udev 135 (or above) being stabilized
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and openrc being stable
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<vagrantc>
yay! ldm with ldm-server got out of NEW processing :)
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<Lumiere>
\
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sorry... keyboard cleaning
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<alkisg>
I want to create a wineuser to install wine programs, and all other users to be able to see his .wine directory as writable, but any changes to it to be discarted. What do I need? tmpfs and unionfs?
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<johnny>
wine still doesn't have a way to install programs in say /opt?
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why not just make the ~/.wine reg files look elsewhere for the progs..
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<alkisg1>
johnny: it would be difficult to manually change the ~/.wine reg files for all installed programs. No, I don't think wine supports installing programs in /opt, unless one manually specifies that with env WINEPREFIX=/opt/...
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