IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<vagrantc>
ltspfs 0.5.6 tagged and pushed, 0.5.6-1 uploaded to debian experimental :)
00:02
stgraber: you should be able to just pull that right into ubuntu's next release
00:03
<Ryan52>
pfft. you can't say it's in experimental for another hour and 50 minutes :P
00:03
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: uploaded to
00:03
installed is another story.
00:03
<Ryan52>
oh. /me not reading carefully.
00:04
<vagrantc>
probably hasn't even hit incoming yet ...
00:22
<sbalneav>
I've added a section to the document on rc.d scripts
00:23
And a segment to lts.conf.xml on the LIKE= parameter
00:26
*yawn* night all
00:31
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: night!
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08:43
<rjune_>
ogra: ping
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09:25* sbalneav hugs Gadi
09:25* sbalneav kisses Gadi on both cheeks
09:25
<Q-FUNK>
!g
09:25
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:26* sbalneav pins Legion d'Honneur de Documentation on Gadi
09:26
<sbalneav>
Hey Q-FUNK
09:27
<rjune_>
sbalneav: goes for the man-love?
09:27
<Q-FUNK>
does he get free ubuntuzenship after serving 5 years in the legion?
09:35
<sbalneav>
Nah, it's just me giving him some well deserved kudos for updating lts.conf.xml with his new variable he came up with.
09:37
I've been putting a concerted effort in to try to get our docs cleaned up
09:38
For the first time in our history, we actually have a (reasonably) complete lts.conf man page.
09:38
<ogra>
doobeydoobeydoo
09:38
<sbalneav>
ogra: !!!
09:38
Hey dood
09:38
<ogra>
:)
09:39* ogra just got gnome running on his arm board
09:39
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/EVM_GNOME_SHOT.png
09:39
even FF works fine
09:39
though 4" are not really big
09:39
<sbalneav>
“To be is to do”–Socrates. “To do is to be”–Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”–Frank Sinatra.
09:39
<ogra>
haha
09:40
<sbalneav>
Hey, there's enough screen real estate there for an 80x24 xtem, what the heck else do you need in life?
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09:40
<sbalneav>
s/xtem/xterm/
09:40
<ogra>
a keyboard ?
09:40
:)
09:40
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey, I just found an horrible X11 bug that affects xatomwait
09:41
sbalneav: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17923
09:41
<rjune_>
ogra: ping
09:41
<ogra>
rjune, yo
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: I have a fix/workaround for that in xatomwait
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09:42
<rjune_>
I never heard anything back from the hr guy
09:42
<ogra>
probably to busy
09:42
<rjune_>
not even a "we got your email"
09:42
is there a way I can directly contact them?
09:43
<sbalneav>
Gee, a bug in XCB
09:43
fancy that
09:43
stgraber: Can I has patch, plz?
09:43
<ogra>
hr@canonical.com ... not sure about direct names, i dont have any direct contacts to the HR dept
09:43
<rjune_>
I was thinking phone
09:43
<sbalneav>
And a cheezburgr
09:45
<rjune_>
I can has cheezbrgr?
09:47
<sbalneav>
stgraber: So what's the fix? Seems like another "while" loop, eh?
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09:51
<Appiah>
sbalneav: where will users be able to find this lts.conf man page?
09:52
<stgraber>
sbalneav: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f5fce79fc
09:53
sbalneav: XPending should fix the bug but then it enters an it's non-blocking so we then need a usleep ...
09:53
sbalneav: it's basically doing what's described in "case 2" of the bug report
09:54
<johnny>
Appiah, uhmm.. guess
09:54
same place as any other man page..
09:56
<Appiah>
I mean
09:56
in what package will it be included?
09:56
<johnny>
ltsp-server
09:56
<ogra>
ltsp-server
09:56
<Appiah>
oh ok
09:57
<ogra>
we initialy thought to put it into the woman-db ... but we are to macho ... so it will go into the man-db :P
09:57
<Appiah>
:D
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10:01
<Blinny>
heh
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<Gadi>
!s
10:06
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:06
<Gadi>
sorry I missed the kiss fest
10:06
:)
10:06* Gadi waves to all
10:09
<Q-FUNK>
heh
10:09
brb
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10:18
<stgraber>
sbalneav: does that sound good enough for inclusion or do you know of a better way to do it ?
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10:25
<sbalneav>
stgraber: Eurgh. Well, in light of the bug, it's probably all we can do, but putting sleep's in code's always such a hack. In this case, however, probably no option until the xcb bug gets fixed.
10:26
Is it just me, or does xcb seem like it needs a little... work?
10:26
<ogra>
its not really old yet
10:26
only entered upstream in hardy
10:27
<sbalneav>
I mean, X lib's been debugged for years, and xcb's so new. Seems like Xorg should have given us an option to switch back abnd forthe between the two
10:27
right
10:27
that's what I mean.
10:27
But it's the "new" way to do things upstream from xorg
10:27
<ogra>
well, tell that to upstream
10:27
yeah
10:27
<sbalneav>
yeah
10:28
That's what I'm saying, upstream should have given us an easy way to switch back and forth.
10:29* sbalneav shrugs
10:30
<sbalneav>
meh, I like keithp, so I'll gave Xorg a pass on this one :)
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<sbalneav>
Keith has awesome hats.
10:31
<stgraber>
sbalneav: the sleep is only there to avoid having a fast inifinite loop eating all the CPU
10:31
sbalneav: there is no possible race condition or similar thing, so it's ugly but will work fine
10:33
commited and pushed
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10:39
<sbalneav>
Perfect
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<sbalneav>
Maybe put a comment in there pointing to the bug number we're adressing, and in some far off future utopia when all our bugs are fixed, and we're REALLY looking for something to justify LTSP BTS 2039, we can get together, revert that one bug, then spend all two days drinking and eating lobster/pankakes.
10:41* sbalneav will be 71
10:41
<johnny>
sbalneav, people say the same thing about evdev itself
10:41
that it wasn't quite ready..
10:42
yet. it is with us now..
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10:42
<sbalneav>
Well, sometimes you just switch over and hope things come out in the wash
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10:43
<sbalneav>
I suppose if we wanted to be all changing and stable-like, we all should have stuck with XFree86
10:43
On the whole, I'm happy with all the great stuff that's come out of xorg in the last few years, so I won't grumble too much.
10:43
sorry, s/chaning/unchanging/ and stable like
10:44
<stgraber>
sbalneav: I mentioned the bug in the commit message
10:46* sbalneav hugs stgraber, kisses, pins medal, etc.
10:47
<Appiah>
there's alot of love in this channel...
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10:49
<sbalneav>
We're a friendly bunch here.
10:49
A "rag-tag bunch of misfits" I think we were once tagged.
10:51
<Appiah>
;)
10:51
<Blinny>
lobster pancakes? ewww
10:52
<Q-FUNK>
lobsters in general
10:52
yuck!
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<rjune_>
!g
10:54
<ltspbot>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:54
<ogra>
lobsters made of pancakes :)
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<sbalneav>
lobster/pancakes == lobsters or pancakes
10:57
Lobsters are great. They're just big bugs.
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<ogra>
that puts bug squashing in a totally different light now
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10:58
<sbalneav>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Homar1.jpg
11:01
<Appiah>
O_O
11:02
<sbalneav>
http://www.crustastun.com/
11:03
<rjune_>
crustafun.com?
11:03
<sbalneav>
Device that stuns the lobster.
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11:28
<cliebow>
bts2039..i'd be 88..
11:28
anyone for oatmeal??
11:29
lobster oatmeal??
11:29
<sbalneav>
Talk to Wilford Brimley
11:29
<cliebow>
weee!
11:30
<sbalneav>
Lobster Oatmeal = loatmeal
11:41
<cliebow>
homardaggis==lobster haggis
11:42
<rjune_>
wtf?
11:45
<sbalneav>
I'm trying to think of some food that would be made worse by the inclusion of lobster
11:45
And I can't think of anything.
11:47
I'd eat lobster pie, libster stew, bread with lobster bits baked into them, lobster-oh's cerial, etc.
11:47
Mmmm lobster-oh's
11:47
And instead of milk, you'd pour drawn butter all over them.
11:47
<cliebow>
cholestrol here we come..
11:48
<rjune_>
chocolate covered lobster?
11:48
<sbalneav>
Sure.
11:48
<cliebow>
wow..that would be tough
11:48
<sbalneav>
I'd eat that.
11:49
Speaking of food: lunchtime!
11:49
bbiab
11:49
<rjune_>
deep fried lobster?
11:49
<sbalneav>
Hell, yes!
11:49
I'd eat that right now!
11:50
<cliebow>
deep fried works for me..
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<mcamden>
Hello, I have an ubuntu ltsp server setup that automatically remotes in to a windows terminal machine. The clients all have a nvidia chipset that can support dual heads (two monitors), but I can't seem to get the clients to display two screens. Can anyone direct me to a good resource to assist me?
12:04
<Gadi>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27871
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<cliebow>
mcamden:im sure someone here..like Gadi..can help ;-]
12:04* Gadi defers to google
12:04
<Gadi>
:)
12:05* Gadi asked google: nvidia dual head ubuntu
12:05
<mcamden>
I tried to find similar results, but my wording was a bit off
12:06
Thanks, I'll give that a shot!
12:07
<Gadi>
mcamden: note: get it working in ubuntu in general - then you'll know what you have to do in the chroot
12:08
also note: if you span the screen with rdesktop, you get one really large desktop
12:08
as opposed to true dual monitor
12:08
look into a windows app called SplitView
12:08
<mcamden>
What is the span option for rdesktop?
12:08
<Gadi>
it will let you have two desktops once you log into Windows on 2 screens
12:08
its not an option
12:08
it just is
12:09
so, if you make a Linux dualhead of 2048x768
12:09
thats one large display to rdesktop
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<Gadi>
as opposed to two screens
12:09
each 1024x768
12:09
<mcamden>
How would I call that in the script?
12:09
<Gadi>
so, the Windows taskbar stretches the entire way, etc
12:10* Gadi doesnt understand
12:10
<mcamden>
for instance, rdesktop server.address.ip /span ?
12:10
<Gadi>
no
12:10
there is no span option
12:10
if your Xserver is 2048x768
12:10
<mcamden>
I see, so I would just configure it xorg.conf
12:10
<Gadi>
and you run rdesktop -f
12:10
(for fullscreen)
12:10
<mcamden>
Gotcha
12:10
<Gadi>
it fills the whole thing
12:11
right
12:11
<mcamden>
Okay great, that may be the easier option
12:11
<Gadi>
unlike Linux that uses X and knows to treat the two screens independently
12:11
so, look into SplitView
12:11
which is an app you can install on the WTS
12:11
it will make your users happier
12:12
and its freeware
12:12
<mcamden>
I like freeware =]
12:12
<alkisg>
Some hints (I've an nvidia laptop): nvidia supports either one big screen, or 2 screens, or 2 X servers. Different screens can also be manipulated with xrandr instead of xorg.conf.
12:13
<Gadi>
right - but LTSP has no lts.conf-driven xrandr functionality upstream (yet)
12:14
<mcamden>
Okay, I'm off to do some configuring. Thanks so much for the help
12:14
<Gadi>
good luck
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<Gadi>
btw, what client is it?
12:14
doh
12:14
:)
12:14
he'll be back
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<alkisg>
Heh
12:14
<Gadi>
the good ones always come back
12:14
<alkisg>
Gadi, you're right of course... I was just trying to say the alternatives
12:15
<Gadi>
alkisg: indeed
12:15
xrandr in LTSP is on my short list of to-dos
12:15
alkisg: but don't you still need to set the Virtual option in you lts.conf if you want xinerama with nvidia?
12:16
(or xinerama-like functionality)
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<alkisg>
Gadi, with xrandr? There's no xorg.conf needed...
12:16
(intrepid - latest xorg)
12:16
<Gadi>
even to make a spanned desktop
12:16
and not just mirrored?
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<alkisg>
Gadi, in Hardy I'd have to do that, but not anymore, I think it automatically uses a large enough virtual desktop
12:17
<Gadi>
ah - thank goodness
12:17
hmm
12:18
then, maybe if I merge my little xrandr scriptie as-is, we'll be good-to-go
12:18
<alkisg>
(I think!!! It's been a long time since I tested all that)
12:19
<Gadi>
do you use real nvidia driver or nv?
12:19
<alkisg>
The real one. I've used nv for sometime though
12:20
But I don't think I tested nv with dual screens...
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<cliebow>
...............................
12:39
whoops
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<stgraber>
Gadi: is there any reason why we have numlock handling implemented in both xinitrc.d and ldm rc.d ?
13:38
Gadi: but with different lts parameters (X_* and LDM_*)
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<stgraber>
Gadi: and can you also merge your randr script ? It's the remaining bit I need here before I start migrating as soon computer don't guess the resolution correctly.
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: it was first implemented in ldm, and then later in the xinitrc.d ...
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: the LDM_NUMLOCK could probably be removed
13:57
stgraber: and the corresponding LDM code ...
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unless there was some possible reason you'd want some screen sessions to have numlock and some not ...
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, I tink we should remove it from ldm rc.d and update the doc keeping only X_*
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i would concur.
14:02
since LDM_NUMLOCK was so short-lived
14:02
probably any XKB_* that's specific to LDM as well
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<rjune_>
ogra: apparently gotta use their webfor
14:04
form
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<Gadi>
stgraber: hey
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sorry in mtg
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I added the X_NUMLOCK as an initial xinitrc.d script for 2 reasons:
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1. to illustrate the naming convention of X_ vs LDM_
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to clarify the intent of xinitrc.d/ infrastructure
14:16
:)
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and
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2. to test
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I agree that it is redundant
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<stgraber>
ok, so we can just drop the ldm rc.d one now ?
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<Gadi>
and we should keep the generic one
14:17
yup
14:17
I have to run before I turn into a pumpkin
14:17
but I will try to get to xrandr this weekend
14:17
(dont mean to hold you up)
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<stgraber>
ok, I'll also move the keymap one so we have all that working for rdesktop and other desktop screen as well
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<Gadi>
yup
14:18
sounds great
14:18
have a good weekend
14:18
<warren>
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?srcnt=166&sid=1516c2d5e77844a8bfa23aa1dd9c0580&fhcnt=22&loc=Detroit%2c+MI&mxp=1000&typ=1&ml=8&pg=17&fhpg=5&lid=1102780488&lsn=162
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: should we rename the $XKB* to $X_* or do we need them to keep the compatibility with the older LTSP releases ?
14:24
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
warren: are you shopping for a new place?
14:24
<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM_: yes.
14:24
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
warren: looks like you've found yourself quite the investment property! look for the bailout soon ...
14:27
<rjune_>
warren: looking to move?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i don't see a huge reason for renaming them, but if we did we should keep backwards compatibility
14:27
<rjune_>
wow, 50 for the land?
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<warren>
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?srcnt=166&sid=1516c2d5e77844a8bfa23aa1dd9c0580&fhcnt=22&loc=Detroit%2c+MI&mxp=1000&typ=1&ml=8&pg=17&fhpg=5&lid=1100755046&lsn=166
14:28
$1 for the land, and nothing to haul away
14:28
although the written description looks suspect
14:29
<rjune_>
cable tv available?
14:29
did you do a search for property under 100?
14:34
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
warren: how can i get a copy of that fedora ltsp server usb key?
14:35
<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM_: k12linux.org
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
thanks
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<jhutchins_wk>
How do I get access to local USB drives on the client?
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I'm sure there must be a howto, I'm just not finding it.
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<Lns>
jhutchins_wk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices (for Ubuntu)
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<jhutchins_wk>
Lns: Debian, should be close enough.
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<Lns>
yup
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<jhutchins_wk>
If I'm on the server (console), can I make the client reboot?
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Oh, and what do I use for "user and group administration tool" GUI thing?
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<Lns>
jhutchins_wk: installing iTALC will give you client reboot functionality (amongst other things)
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jhutchins_wk: what do you use? System -> Administration -> Users and Groups should do the trick...
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<jammcq>
for user and group administration, you can just use commandline tools
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adduser, addgroup
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usermod
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<jhutchins_wk>
vigr
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<Lns>
jammcq: sure, if you wanna do it the RIGHT way... ;)
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<jammcq>
well, he's using Debian, right?
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<jhutchins_wk>
k, the users were already there.
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<jammcq>
i'm sure there's some gui tools that could be installed
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<jhutchins_wk>
Being a headless server, I didn't even have X installed when I started trying to do ltsp.
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no packages found matching italc.
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Surely there's a way...
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<jammcq>
adduser will allow you to add users to groups
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<jhutchins_wk>
Bah. No sshd started on the server. How rude.
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er, on the client.
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<jammcq>
I think you need a 'fuse' group
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but that might not be needed anymore
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<jhutchins_wk>
can I chroot to the client dir and enable sshd on the client? (I know it won't work until I reboot, but for next time...)
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Yes, fuse group with users added, it's in the local device debug.
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<jammcq>
yeah, but you'll need an account on the client too
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<jhutchins_wk>
Yes.
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<jammcq>
normally, there's no users defined on the client
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<jhutchins_wk>
I've already enabled root login on the client, so if ssh were started...
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<jhutchins_wk>
Hrmn. sshd not installed on client by default...
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<Ahmuck>
whoa, am i in the right channel ?
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there is sabyaon or pessules something for user management iirc
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italc-master and client
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: what's the question?
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<Ahmuck>
no question, was backreading
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<jhutchins_wk>
vigr does just fine, all it needed was for the user to be added to the fuse book, but the doc I was looking at was for Ubuntu and presumed console illiteracy.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
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<rjune_>
jammcq: !
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<jammcq>
rjune_: hey
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