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Channel log from 23 June 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Hyperbyte>
ogra, you there?
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<xBowser>
Hey guys, its me again.
08:41
I got a horrible lot of user processes running after their logout. Is there any nice way to get rid of all those? :)
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<matttttt>
i noticed that on my test setup too, i haven't had time to try to deal with it yet since i'm still working on other aspects of our setup.
08:43
let me know if you find a good way :)
08:44
<xBowser>
:) There are a bunch of scripts floating arount the net, but they are all butt ugly.
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<moldy>
when try to logout a user from ltsp by killing all his processes, the terminal "freezes" (ldm does not appear again) -- is there a way to handle this?
09:18
<xBowser>
You would have to reastart his local X-Server.
09:19
<moldy>
xBowser: is there no way to prevent the terminal from getting into this state in the first place?
09:27
<ogra>
are you sure you killed both of his ssh tunnels on the server ?
09:29
<alkisg>
moldy: are you running jaunty and ldm hangs at logout?
09:32
<moldy>
alkisg: only when i kill the user's processes on the server
09:33
ogra: i use pkill -u username
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09:35
<alkisg>
moldy: there's a bug where if the master connection dies first, and the secondary second, then ldm hangs (or something like that - I don't remember exactly), maybe that's also your problem here... we're waiting for good sbalneav to fix it in a few days (*if* that's the one that affects you)
09:37
<ogra>
if he survives the FISL caipirinha :)
09:41
<moldy>
alkisg: thanks for the info, if i find the time to, i will investigate this
09:42
<alkisg>
moldy: I'm talking about this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/375278
09:44
<moldy>
alkisg: i am seeing this every time, so it might not be the same bug
09:44
<xBowser>
Has anybody else got the problem that the gnome print dialog takes ages to load the printers advertised by cups?
09:44
<moldy>
alkisg: normal logout works fine, but pkill -u username on the server always causes the freeze
09:45
xBowser: works fine here
09:45
<alkisg>
moldy: if ps kills them in pid order, then it doesn't sound unreasonable that it happens every time...
09:45
<ogra>
moldy, try to kill the users processes one by one and make sure to kill the first ssh tunnel last
09:45
<alkisg>
pkill, I meant
09:47
<xBowser>
moldy: Hmm, for me it takes about 5 to 10 seconds and then my Print Button stays greyed out.
09:48
moldy: And I cant print via this gnome dialog, but with openoffice and others it works perfectly well.
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<moldy>
ogra: i'll check this, thanks
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<tarzeau>
the configure-x.sh comes with ltsp-client-core on debian
10:21
what do i need to say in the lts.conf if i want to have:
10:22
Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
10:22
the line above in all xorg.conf (with geode video driver)?
10:22
<Gadi>
X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "\"AccelMethod\" \"XAA\""
10:23
<tarzeau>
Gadi: into the [Default] part?
10:23
or any of the LIKE [Parts]?
10:23
<Gadi>
well, if you do it in default it affects all workstations
10:23
<tarzeau>
i see, i think i got it. many thanks!
10:24
<Gadi>
if that doesnt work, try X_OPTION_01
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<Gadi>
I don't remember which variable configure-x.sh used
10:24
<tarzeau>
Gadi: thanks, i'll try it tomorrow morning and tell which one it was...
10:24
<Gadi>
modern way supports both
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10:29
<ret>
is it possible to connect a local terminal printer without using the jetdirect interface? the jetdirect interface seems to cause a 5 second delay in printing
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<coordinador>
hi
10:34
im trying to run ltsp4.2 and ltsp5 at the same time
10:35
the problem is that i have already installed ltsp4.2
10:35
and in the website there is a manual and indicates that must to install first ltsp5
10:36
<pmatulis>
during a server package upgrade and then a chroot upgrade, what are the consequences of connected clients?
10:37
<coordinador>
so, by now i changed the dir /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4.2 , changed the dhcp lts to ltsp-4.2 and the /tftproot/lts was changed too
10:37
<ogra>
desktop apps might get unhappy
10:37
<coordinador>
and insert the corresponding line in /etc/exports
10:37
<pmatulis>
ogra: but will anything "bad" happen in the sense of borkeness?
10:38
<ogra>
the client rootfs will get served from ram through nbd until the clients get rebooted, so that wont get you any trouble
10:38
<coordinador>
the boxes starting boot ok except i got an message that says "permission denied" and
10:38
<ogra>
but the desktop apps might get you into trouble
10:38
<pmatulis>
ogra: so it's convention to kick off all users during such maneouvres?
10:38
<ogra>
if you do a full server upgrade i'd do that with no running desktop sessions
10:39
<coordinador>
"failed to mount the root directory via nfs"
10:39
i think it could be fixed by restarting nfs service , im right?
10:41
some boxes are being used at this moment, what if i restart nfs service, the people would note it?
10:41
(i know my english sucks)
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<coordinador>
what to do? anibody?
11:06
i got tftp open timeout, how can i restart tftp server?
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its urgent..
11:10
i dont know why i got this
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<alkisg>
coordinador: ubuntu? sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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<coordinador>
ok
11:11
ill do
11:12
i got TFTP..................
11:12* alkisg looks up and sees nfs and ltsp 4.2 and wonders maybe he shouldn't be speaking... :D
11:12
<coordinador>
at the beginning of booting and then i got "PXE:E32: TFTP open timeout"
11:13
<alkisg>
Maybe the tftp server is wrong? (e.g. wrong ip?)
11:14* ogra__ guesses alkisg wanted to say the dhcpd is configured wrongly :)
11:16
<coordinador>
my dhcpd is right
11:16
the server is assigning ip correctly
11:16
how can i know if my tftp server is wrong?
11:18
<alkisg>
coordinador: try to do `tftp server` and `get some-file` from another pc
11:18
<coordinador>
this happened after do: " sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server " and then i did "sudo ltsp-build-client"
11:18
<alkisg>
(or even from the server, wich tftp localhost)
11:18
<coordinador>
(i did that runing ltsp4.2)
11:18
may be ltsp5 misconfigured something
11:19
alkisg, ill do
11:19
i havent "tftp" command
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<ogra__>
your apt-get changed the dhcpd configuration, your ltsp-build-client changed the tftp server configuration
11:20
<coordinador>
i think that too, how can i fix it?
11:20
which file is changed in this process?
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<ogra__>
fror dhcpd: sudo mv /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.bak
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then restart your dhcp server
11:22
for tftp check your inetd.conf tftp uses the default distro paths in ltsp5 while ltsp4 used a broken path
11:22
<coordinador>
but my dhcpd.conf is exactly the same that worked fine before install ltsp5
11:22
<ogra__>
some weird path in / iirc
11:22
<coordinador>
ill paste here the inetd.conf tftp entry
11:22
<ogra__>
no, if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists it will override /etc/dhcpd.conf
11:23
<coordinador>
oh i see
11:23
ill check that
11:23
<ogra__>
you might not see tha dhcpd change if you didnt restart your dhcpd yet
11:23
but it will change after next restart
11:25
<coordinador>
didnt work
11:26
<ogra__>
what didnt work ?
11:26
(you need to be more specific in your typing, so we know what exactly you tried :) )
11:26
<coordinador>
i moved /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.bak and restarted dhcp server, and i did invoke-rc.d obenbsd-inetd restart command and i still get TFTP open timeout
11:27
mi inet.d tftp entry is
11:27
tftp dgram udp4 wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 192.168.0.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot
11:27
(the same that worked with ltsp4.2)
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<ogra__>
why didnt you just chaneg the path and left the entry as it was
11:28
*change
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<coordinador>
which path?
11:29
<rjune_wrk>
!o
11:29
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
11:29* rjune_wrk kicks the bot
11:29
<ogra__>
the tftp path in the inetd.conf like
11:29
<rjune_wrk>
o is for ogra__ !!!!!!!!!!!
11:29
<ogra__>
*line
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<rjune_wrk>
howdy
11:29
<ogra__>
rjune_wrk, heh
11:29
you need to teach the bot some day :)
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<coordinador>
how should to be the path?
11:30
*should be
11:30
/var/lib/tftpboot?
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<rjune_wrk>
!o
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<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
11:31
<rjune_wrk>
there.
11:31
<ogra__>
thats the default path of the distro
11:31
<coordinador>
(i have /tftpboot because in ltsp4.2 worked fine)
11:31
<ogra__>
right
11:31
<coordinador>
ok, ill change that
11:31
<ogra__>
thats what i said
11:31
you added a million of options instead of simply changing the path in the default line
11:32
just use the default line and change the path to /tftpboot
11:32* ogra__ doesnt even know what 4.2 used as tftp daemon
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<coordinador>
in inet.d i tried with /var/lib/tftpboot and /tftpboot (as originally was) and then i did the invoke.d command and i got tftp open timeout
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<ogra__>
did you try the default line without all the -- options in it ?
11:35
<coordinador>
ok, lets see... there is only one file where i can change the path.. and this file is /etc/inetd.conf
11:36
no, i didnt, ill try it now
11:36
(i have this line since in ltsp4.2 it should be like this, im asking to have working both ltsp4.2 and ltsp5 at the same time)
11:37
<ogra__>
no, you installed a different tftpd
11:37
that might not even know what all these options mean
11:37
and you shouldnt use ltsp 4.2 at all
11:37
its obsolete and unmaintained since 5 years
11:37
<coordinador>
sorry my boxes are eboxII
11:37
<ogra__>
oh, youre doomed
11:38
<coordinador>
i know, they are a pain
11:38
<ogra__>
well, then use 4.2 only
11:38
<coordinador>
haha
11:38
now ill buy new boxes
11:38
1220 term
11:38
<ogra__>
mixing 4.2 and 5 will always cause you extra maintenence
11:38
<coordinador>
thats why i must to be running both
11:39
i cannot left this lab without the boxes, but i must to test the new 1220 term at the same time
11:39
thats why i must to have ltsp4.2 and ltsp5 running
11:40
<ogra__>
well, that wont be easy, as you see the two versions use totally different paths
11:41
and the maintenance tools break each other
11:41
<coordinador>
yes, there's a manual but only if you install ltsp5 first
11:41
<ogra__>
ltspdadmin will break ltsp5
11:41
even that is risky
11:41
<coordinador>
i will not run ltspadmin, thats why im configuring everything by hand
11:41
yes, what can i say,, i like extreme sports
11:42
ok then,, my inetd.conf entry for tftp now is as follows: "tftp dgram udp4 wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /var/lib/tftpboot"
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<ogra__>
ok, now adjust your path in that line to /tftpboot
11:42
then restart inetd
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and try again
11:43
<coordinador>
ok, ill do
11:44
<alkisg>
!seen vagrantc
11:44
<ltspbot>
alkisg: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <vagrantc> shouldn't be too hard to have both.
11:44
<ogra__>
slacker ... 21h away already
11:44
<coordinador>
it didnt work :/
11:44
i got the same
11:44
<ogra__>
dpkg -l | grep tftp
11:44
<alkisg>
Yeah, is it vacations time already? :P
11:44
<coordinador>
TFTP open timeout
11:45
<ogra__>
what does that get you
11:45
<coordinador>
ok
11:45
rc atftpd 0.7.dfsg-6ubuntu1 advanced TFTP server
11:45
ii tftpd-hpa 0.48-2.3ubuntu1 HPA's tftp server
11:45
<ogra__>
aha
11:45
<coordinador>
:o
11:45
<ogra__>
sudo apt-get remove --purge atftpd
11:46
<coordinador>
im so scary to do that but i trust..
11:46* ogra__ wonders if he's trustworthy
11:47
<coordinador>
it appears not installed
11:47
ill check in synaptic "atftp" and synaptic found but appears not installed
11:47
<ogra__>
the --purge should just remove the remaining cruft
11:47
<coordinador>
oh i see
11:48
ill restart inetd again and see what happens
11:48
<ogra__>
it was uninstalled when you installed ltsp-server-standalone
11:48
but configs were still lying around
11:48
(thats what rc means above)
11:48
<coordinador>
humm
11:48
<ogra__>
r for remnoved, c for configs
11:49
<coordinador>
wow didnt know
11:49
<ogra__>
i means installed btw :)
11:51
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot
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that is the line you need in your inetd.conf
11:51
<coordinador>
ok, ill add -s and then i will restart inetd
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<ogra__>
note the udp
11:52
yours had udp4
11:52
<coordinador>
and i have nobody instead root
11:52
<ogra__>
and note the root, yours had nobody
11:52
right
11:52
better just copy paste mine
11:53
its the default one tftpd-hpa uses with adjusted path
11:53
<coordinador>
IT WORKED!
11:53
hahahahaaaaaaaa
11:54
<ogra__>
indeed
11:55
<coordinador>
omg thanks a lot,,, fortunately here we have half of boxes working after this problem
11:55
before!!
11:55
*before
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<ogra__>
the tricky part will be to run both side by side and tell your clients which version to use
11:55
<coordinador>
yes, i know how to do that
11:55
in dhcpd.conf
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<ogra__>
well ...
11:56
<coordinador>
..or not?
11:56
yes, i know
11:56
ill try it by myself,,,
11:56
<ogra__>
ltsp5 *needs* to use /var/lib/tftpboot
11:56
<coordinador>
yes, i change the dir from /tftpboot to /var/lib/tftboot and redirect all to it
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<ogra__>
so you will first need to shuffle that around until both can boot from /var/lib/tftpboot
11:57
note that tftp doesnt support links, you need to actually copy the files
11:57
<alkisg>
vagrantc: forbidden: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian/UNRELEASED/gpxe_0.9.7+git20090610~2_i386.changes
11:57
<coordinador>
yes, but i think the scariest part already happened
11:58
omg ogra__ thanks a lot, i mean a lot
11:58
oh, btw
11:58
<ogra__>
welcome
11:58
<coordinador>
im translating ltsp manual into spanish
11:59
<ogra__>
cool
11:59
<coordinador>
if anybody did it already..
11:59
<ogra__>
i doubt it
11:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure
11:59
<ogra__>
at least the current docs werent translated yet
11:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but the rest should be fine.
11:59
<coordinador>
ok, where can I send it?
12:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup, they're fine. I ported it for ubuntu, some dependencies were different for jaunty
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<ogra__>
coordinador, talk to sbalneav, best is to provide a bzr branch with your translationj he can just merge into the upstream docs
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: build-dep's ?
12:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), syslinux, genisoimage
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<ogra__>
sbalneav is travelling though (he is going to FISL) so he might not be around much this week
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<coordinador>
ok, ill talk to him, thanks again ogra__
12:01
i have to lunch now, have a nice day
12:01
<ogra__>
bye
12:01
<coordinador>
bye all
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: no syslinux-common?
12:02
<alkisg>
vagrantc: nope
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: did you notice that the .dsk problem is now solved? How come?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: don't know exactly... have to attend a meeting
12:04
<alkisg>
ok man, thanks
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<Mip5>
Hey Gang - I'm trying to have an OS X server (LDAPv3) be the authentication for my ltsp clients - we have a few different labs in the buildings, and it would be nice to have a centralized place for authentication. I've followed the HOWTO ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSXLDAPClientAuthentication ) which explains how to bind a single linux client to an apple ldap server. Would I follow...
12:08
...the same process for setting up the ltsp server to bind to an apple ldap?
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<Gadi>
Mip5: in a word, yes
12:18
<epsas>
ldap authentication would be better than nis
12:23
<Mip5>
Gadi - thanks. It's not working, but I'll keeping working on it. I wanted to make sure that the process was the same, so that it would be worth while to make it work on my local box first (didn't want to hose the ltsp server).
12:23* Gadi nods
12:23
<Mip5>
espsas - I agree, especially since the OS X server is already our default place for user accounts.
12:25
Gadi - my workflow to get this going was to set it up, and then use ethereal (wireshark) to see where it's breaking down. What I'd like to have is a way to test it incrementally - since there are a lot of files to change, and basically a lot of places where the configs to get the binding to work could break down.
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<Gadi>
Mip5: a few rules to doing this:
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1. Become root and don't log out
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<Mip5>
right - that's been my model so far
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<Gadi>
2. don't use sudo, but become root with: sudo su
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(since you are editing pam files, it is very easy to screw up all authentication)
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always keep one terminal open as root
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and test in another terminal
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since you are ultimately going to connect through ssh, a good test is: ssh apple_user@localhost
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3. Use ldapsearch and friends to query the server on command line
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<Mip5>
okay - and should I launch the other terminal *after* the change, or does that not matter
12:28
<Gadi>
once you can ldapsearch correctly, you know what you need to configure
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<Mip5>
Okay - should ldapsearch work from any box (even if it's not bound)?
12:29
<Gadi>
launch the other terminal before changing anything
12:29
if you cannot authenticate, you may not be able to open a terminal
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:)
12:29
yes
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<Gadi>
you just need to pass the right flags
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<Mip5>
excellent - thanks
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<Gadi>
there is no "binding" in the AD join domain sense
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there is only querying the ldap server correctly
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with the correct credentials
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its not like AD which exchanges a kerberos ticket
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<Mip5>
okay - I don't know AD, but had used and read the term bind from osx docs
12:31
We're not using kerberos, so that's one hurdle we don't have to jump
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<|Paradox|>
sudo su - you mean, right?
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<bieb1>
sbalneav: you around today?
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<bieb1>
hey there vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: thanks for prodding the gpxe devs :)
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: I've talked with them in the past, they're also interested in getting it to debian
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: at some point, if there's no response from the submitter, i'll just get a sponsor and get the process rolling.
14:00
<alkisg>
yeay! :)
14:01* vagrantc is a little terrified of the copyright reviewing
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<alkisg>
They say that they automated this with some macros
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They're pretty cooperative; come to #etherboot if you wanna talk
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I'll also like to add a way to make old windows PCs dual boot with gpxe (from the hard disk), but I guess that's a different project, it'll also involve grub4dos or wubi...
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, i checked out the license automation ... it basically just checks for flags in the binaries...
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<alkisg>
Ah, k
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: which are hard-coded ... it might not really fly with debian.
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it will likely involve several iterations of attempting to document, getting review, getting changes updated upstream and/or removing some source code ... until we get it all sorted out.
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<alkisg>
All I can say is that they're a nice "family" there at #etherboot, much like here in #ltsp :)
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<vagrantc>
of course :)
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<epsas>
anyone going to toorcamp?
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<coordinador>
hola
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i mean hi
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<coordinador>
its me or i cannot read any conversation?
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<bieb1>
there is no conversation currently
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<sbalneav>
Boa tarde, muy amigos
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<coordinador>
oi sbalneav
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<Gadi>
scotty's drunk and speaking in tongues!
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<bieb1>
sbalneav: hows it going?
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<sbalneav>
Just got here
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<bieb1>
no prob
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thought you were gone for the day after looking at your last post
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ok.. I am outta here.. talk to you later
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<vagrantc>
epsas: those libxcb bugs appear fixed to you? or at least not a regression? i guess the point release is coming out on the 27th...
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<epsas>
it appears fixed to us
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at least, the system isn't as slow
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i will try on the older, slower machine to see if it speeds it up
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<vagrantc>
epsas: great!
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we're starting to experience seemingly random application servers hanging at freegeek... no trace of anything amiss in any of the logs we can find...
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<epsas>
really? hmm
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<Ugandas_finest>
hello all, does any one know if any of the newer openchrome based VIA thin clients can do decent 3D rendering?
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i'm stuck trying to research this for work, and they're too cheap to spring for demo units
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what about AMD geode based thin clients? What kind of graphical performance can I expect from the geode xorg driver?
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