IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<lns_>
ogra, does italc replace thin-client-manager ?
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<stgraber>
lns_: yes
01:45
<lns_>
stgraber, wow just reading about you on the lists =p
01:45
so you're in charge of merging this w/hardy?
01:45
or at least one of them? =)
01:46
<stgraber>
yes, I have done iTalc integration in Hardy
01:46
<lns_>
what's its status? is it stable to use in production environments?
01:46
<stgraber>
and am working on the one for Intrepid including classroom auto-generation (using avahi) and in-chroot installation for LTSP
01:47
<lns_>
that's what i was wondering about - w/ltsp
01:47
<ogra>
lns_, he's not "one of the men", he's "*the* man" ! :)
01:48
<lns_>
haha
01:48
<stgraber>
the one in Hardy is working correctly but the lack of computer auto-detection in complex LTSP environments (multiple servers) and standalone workstations is the main problem
01:48
<lns_>
didn't think you'd be on this late ogra
01:48
<ogra>
late ? heh
01:48
<stgraber>
the abillity to install inside the LTSP chroot was also requested by some users to get better performance in demo mode
01:48
<ogra>
very early here :)
01:49
<lns_>
heh
01:49
<laga>
it's almost 9am, that's not "very early" you slacker ;)
01:49
<stgraber>
ogra: hmm, very early ... it's just 8:48 :)
01:49
even with the platform meeting at 8am :)
01:49
<lns_>
it's 21:49pm here =p
01:49
<ogra>
stgraber, for someone who went to bed at 4am thats quite early :)
01:50
<laga>
okay, i'd have refused to get up then.
01:50
i went to bed at 12am and i'm still tired ;)
01:50
<lns_>
stgraber, so is italc stable for production given all workstations are ltsp thin-clients?
01:50
<ogra>
laga, no choice ... its my weekly 8am horror wednesday meeting
01:51
<stgraber>
lns_: we still have some crashes from time to time (memory problem in the client part) but except that it's working fine
01:51
<lns_>
i've spent the past fri/mon/tue moving into my new office away from home (moooovin on up)
01:52
stgraber, crashes on client meaning thin-client or on the client viewing the other stations?
01:52
still learning about italc (and verbage)
01:52
<stgraber>
lns_: the client par of italc (ica) so basically you'll miss a student in the teacher software
01:52* lns_ wonders where his registered nic is
01:54
<lns_>
stgraber, so does italc-client crash or the whole thin-client session?
01:54
<stgraber>
only italc-client
01:54
<lns_>
ok
01:55* lns_ can't wait to start upgrading to hardy
01:56
<lns_>
#
01:56
Make noise on the mailing list and IRC channels to attract more developers for upstream fixes
01:56
* TODO -> Ogra
01:57
=p
01:58
<stgraber>
we have a wonderful upstream, so no need of additional developers (yet) :)
01:58
he simply merges all my patches and implement what I need
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<ogra>
yeah
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<lns_>
nice
02:00
well, it's about time for me to hit the old dusty trail
02:00
<ogra>
stgraber, btw, if i compare italc and t-c-m, t-c-m to me looks still like the better process manager ... we can probably look into that for intrepid as well
02:01
(i.e. if someone wants to just manage per user processlists)
02:01
or per terminal ...
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<stgraber>
right, italc doesn't have a processus manager but is that really used when you have VNC control over the user session ?
02:02
I can probably propose the feature though and see if Tobias or someone wants to implement it
02:02
<ogra>
people sometimes want to look for runaway processes etc and t-c-m stays near the gnome-system monitor they are used to
02:03
<lns_>
stgraber, i know my teachers enjoy using process manager in system monitor for gnome
02:03
<ogra>
(in a rudimentry way though :) )
02:04
its not a *need* but i noticed the request for something to manage processes often recently
02:04
<stgraber>
I'm currently trying to have Tobias to include all remaining changes for avahi support in 1.0.9 (to be released real soon). I'll discuss next changes with him after FOSSCamp/UDS
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<stgraber>
ogra: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=132465&atid=724378
02:16* ogra hugs stgraber
02:16
<stgraber>
File manager would be cool too but probably not an easy thing to implement
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<ogra>
yeah
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<cyberorg>
hi ogra StevenR
02:44
stgraber, *
02:44
<stgraber>
hi cyberorg
02:46
<dberkholz>
ogra: gonna make it to the hackfest?
02:46
<gvy>
cyberorg, ! :)
02:46
<cyberorg>
hiya gvy :)
02:47
<ogra>
dberkholz, i just got informal approval for ubuntulive, oscon (have to pay that myself) and latp hackfest ... i''m waiting for a formal approval though
02:47
*ltsp
02:47
<gvy>
ogra, morning! :)
02:47
<ogra>
gvy, rather night, i'm about to go back to bed ...
02:47
:)
02:48
gvy, so how about you and the hackfest ?
02:48
any chance to get you there ?
02:49
<gvy>
ogra, just returned from Jerusalem -- no spare money but eur 400 :)
02:49
ogra, ah, you in america now?
02:49
<ogra>
mak your company pay
02:49
*make
02:49
nope
02:49
home in germany
02:49
<gvy>
ugh!
02:49
<ogra>
but i will likely go there (its in july)
02:49
<gvy>
re company, we're really small consultancy... hope next time will be able to see ya folks :)
02:50
ogra, altlinux pays for me flying to tomsk to tell about ltsp/altsp development
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<gvy>
jammcq's slides came *very* handy for the larger project part :)
02:50
<ogra>
yeah
02:50
<gvy>
(free software development conf 17--18.05)
02:51
<ogra>
gvy, btw, seems my spec for lowend kernel image seems to be approved i'll bug you a lot after UDS (next month)
02:51
<gvy>
so maybe if russian gov't will find terminal solutions nice *they* will pay for us with led coming :)
02:52
<stgraber>
ogra: Too bad I'll only arrive to Canada in very late July (if everything goes well), would have been cool to see some of the others LTSP dev :)
02:52
<ogra>
might be that our next UDS is even more eastern, we have some 100000s setups in georgia, russia etc now so i suspect it wont end in prague wrt going east :)
02:53
stgraber, well, canada is big :) where about there ?
02:53
(east or west)
02:54
<stgraber>
ogra: I'll start working in Quebec in early August, arriving in late July (if school and all other stuff go as expected)
02:54
<ogra>
i think fgiraldeau sits in vancouver
02:54
<stgraber>
fgirldeau sits in Sherbrooke, Quebec
02:54
<ogra>
he could give you a lift
02:54
ah
02:54
<stgraber>
*fgiraldeau
02:55
<gvy>
ogra, good :)
02:56
<dberkholz>
ogra: good deal
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<gvy>
ogra, 100000 ltsp setups in russia???? wow
02:59
<ogra>
something along these lines, yes
02:59
they do a local rebuild/rebrand for the russian laws so a local company can do support afaik
03:00
similar to guadalinex in spain (500000 desktops)
03:00
and the canary islands (200000)
03:00
now someone say linux isnt ready for the desktop :P
03:01
<stgraber>
:)
03:02
<ogra>
(the thing vagrant was in spain for is also about 500000 debian desktop/thin client setups i think )
03:02
spain is pretty good wrt OSS pushing :)
03:02
<itais>
ogra: not so many, only 150.000
03:02
<gvy>
ogra, hmm... VNIINS?
03:02
forget them :)
03:02
<ogra>
itais, oh, i'm sure that wil grow :)
03:03
<itais>
oh, sure, I'm speaking only of the region of Extremadura, one of the smallest in the country
03:03
I guess some others will follow our track if we succeed, and I don't doubt we will
03:03
<ogra>
itais, guadalinex had 150000 when i first met them 2 years ago, last year they had 350000, now its up to half a million
03:03
<gvy>
ogra, VNIINS are making much noise but very little work
03:03
<itais>
but guadalinex is not using ltsp
03:03
they're waiting for us to see if it works
03:03
<ogra>
the installs in the schools do
03:04
<itais>
no
03:04
<gvy>
if you're talking of school deployment in russia, they're basically outsiders
03:04
(in fact they lost the tender to altlinux)
03:04
<itais>
the installs in the guadalinex school is workstation
03:04
<ogra>
itais, i had a demo at a primary school
03:04
<gvy>
(and stand tests looked *horrible*)
03:04
<ogra>
they showed me the ltsp setup
03:04
<itais>
believe me, they're using only workstation setups
03:04
<gvy>
that's mostly the fault to work with community and upstream, as they're sorta Military Ltd
03:04
<ogra>
hmm
03:05
<itais>
maybe your school was only a test
03:05
<gvy>
and known for violating GPL as well (MSVS OS)
03:05* ogra wonders what that was then ... vagrant was there as well
03:05
<itais>
guadalinex people have asked us to phone them to come to Extremadura and see it when we end our setup
03:05
<ogra>
hmm
03:05
thats funny
03:06
i'm really sure what we saw was ltsp
03:06
<gvy>
ogra, btw i'll see those folks in tomsk too -- if you happen to have some q's, i can try to get some a's
03:06
<itais>
ogra: I'm sure, Andalucia ("guadalinex region) is 70 kms away from Mérida (Extremadura, "linex" region) where i live, and our governments have multiple contacts and meetings
03:06
<gvy>
itais, "guadalinux"? 8)
03:07
<itais>
not
03:07
guadalinex as the followed our "linex" project
03:07
linex= linux for Extremadura
03:07
<gvy>
ah, sorry
03:07
<ogra>
itais, yeah, i belive you, you are closer, but still .... i saw that setup :) probably really only a demo
03:07
<gvy>
someone markets some pills or anything under that name here...
03:07
folks were largely amused at ads :)
03:07
<itais>
yeah, probably, or some of their tests
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<itais>
they have told us they made tests but they didn't get good results, that's why they're waiting for our work
03:08
<ogra>
itais, still, the numbers your country throws out are impressive
03:08
:)
03:09
its rarely less than six digits :)
03:09
<itais>
ogra: right, I'm paid for working in linux deployment in schools, don't need to volunteer, that's a paradise, with problems, but a paradise
03:09
<ogra>
sad that you have so much politics involved though
03:09
<itais>
yes, but without politics inside we never could have achieve those numbers
03:10
<ogra>
indeed
03:10
<comete>
hi
03:10
<itais>
so, that's something we have to live with, sometimes they're useful, many others they are disturbing
03:10
<ogra>
yeah
03:11
<comete>
where should i set the umask=002 for my ltsp clients to work with this value ?
03:11
<ogra>
but what i find sad is that you have this per-region fragmentation, imagine what you could do if everyone lined up and worked on a sigle product
03:11
<comete>
i've tried /etc/profile without success
03:11
<gvy>
comete, probably in /etc/profile* or anything on ltsp *server*?
03:12
<ogra>
comete, /etc/login.defs on teh server iirc
03:12
<itais>
ogra: right, but under the hood, we're developers who know each other and use to work together whenever we can, as you do in ltsp
03:12
<ogra>
yeah :)
03:12
<comete>
ogra, ok i try
03:14
<ogra>
comete, were you the one asking about lots of localdevs on client desktops ?
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<Chiku>
hello
03:18
<gvy>
ogra, thanks for invitation and sorry if i spoiled the numbers...
03:18
slowly leaving for a customer and heading to the office
03:18
have some sleep :)
03:18
<ogra>
thx :)
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<stgraber>
ogra: hmm, I just noticed something weird, why is the ltsp lts.conf documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/ ?
03:42
It would make a lot more sense to be on the server
03:42
<comete>
ogra, it doesn't seem to work with /etc/login.defs
03:43
<ogra>
comete, you are aware that the umask value only applies to new directories ?
03:43
<comete>
ogra, i asked about localdev one or two years ago yes
03:43
ogra, yes i know
03:44
ogra, the new created files or directories get rwxr-xr-x with umask=002
03:45
ogra, my parent directories are all set with chmod g+s
03:45
it seems that the umask value isn't read
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<ogra_>
comete, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320 make sure to have hardy-updates enabled, it will show up there for 8.04.1 (if you are adventurous you can try hardy-proposed, where the -updates packages get tested before being moved over)
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<comete>
ogra, oh ok that's for local devices
03:51
<ogra>
right
03:51
<comete>
ogra, any idea for my umask problem ?
03:51
<ogra>
for the issue where you see the devices of others
03:51
if profile doesnt help either, no i dont ...
03:52
<comete>
ogra, the problem doesn't appear since the last update
03:52
<ogra>
i never change my umask values from the default, but the comment in login.defs points to a ML discussion
03:52
probably that gives you some hint
03:52
<comete>
maybe the ltsp environnement uses its own value ?
03:53
<ogra>
no
03:53
<comete>
ok :)
03:53
<ogra>
it uses whatever ssh uses
03:53
ldm is just a gui ssh client :)
03:54
<comete>
ogra, oh about ldm, do you know how i can change the default language ?
03:54
ogra, i would like to set it in french
03:55
<ogra>
not in hardy, i plan to do a backport from intrepid you will be able to drop in then
03:55
but that will still take some weeks (developer summit ahaed, i rarely get much donw during that time)
03:55
<comete>
ogra, maybe i could replace the text somewhere ?
03:56
<ogra>
you need to recompile ldm for that
03:56
<comete>
argh
03:56
:)
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<ogra>
comete, src/greeter_iface.c look for the prompt2 variables
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<comete>
ogra, ok thanks but i don't think i will recompile it
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<ttaazz>
hello :)
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<daduke>
ttaazz: hi
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<zeltron>
Hi
07:38
Still trying to make ltsp5 work on debian etch
07:39
Still having problems...
07:39
Could someone explain me why I got this message when client boots :
07:39
rpc failed: 2
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(just after running script /scripts/nfs-bottom)
07:40
<cliebow>
zeltron:vagrantc would be the man to talk to.
07:40
<zeltron>
(excuse me : after script nfs-premount)
07:41
cliebox : Ok... where is he? (I used his how to on the net, but nothing about this problem)
07:43
<stgraber>
zeltron: is your NFS server working correctly ?
07:43
I haven't used NFS for a long time but that rpc thing makes me remember of nfs/portmap other crazy stuff
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<zeltron>
It is working, but correctly... I don't know !
07:44
Certainly not, since I got this error message !
07:44
<stgraber>
anything inthe server's syslog ?
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<daduke>
zeltron: we run ltsp5 on etch in production
07:47
<zeltron>
Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
07:47
That's what I found in syslog
07:47
excuse me : this error message concerned nbd_server
07:48
<daduke>
zeltron: here's what I did to set it all up http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233
07:49
<zeltron>
cliebox : That's what I try to do too. I hope it will work, because Ubuntu works, but seems a little bit to heavy for me
07:49
cliebox : I look at your address thanks
07:50
<ogra>
heavy in which way ?
07:51
with regard to ltsp they are pretty much identical
07:52
<Pascal_1>
did you add this line in /etc/exports /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
07:52
?
07:52
<cliebow>
zeltron:there you go..
07:52
zeltron: be sure portmapper is functioning..
07:53
<zeltron>
back after looking at cliebox address, trying to answer your questions
07:54
ogra : I'm french , maybe my words are not the good ones : for me heavy means that it needs lot of ressources on the server
07:54
<Blinny>
ogra: Can I ask you something ubuntu-specific before I file a bug that perhaps isn't a bug?
07:54
<ogra>
you can install a smaller desktop
07:55
Blinny, indeed
07:55
<Pascal_1>
can you mount this nfs share from another client mount -t nfs server:partage /mount_point
07:56
<Blinny>
ogra: The new method of authentication that replaced gtksudo (Unlock button) is not enabled and is greyed out for admin users logged in at thin clients. Is there an easy fix for this or is it a bug?
07:56
<Pascal_1>
zeltron, i'm french to , i make work ltsp on debian ;-)
07:56
<zeltron>
Ogra : This is for a free service room in a university, I try to stay with an environment that don't perturb too much the students
07:56
(this rooms were under windows before...
07:56
<ogra>
Blinny, do you get any session info with ck-list-sessions ?
07:57
Blinny, the session needs to be listed and be active for policykit to pick it up
07:57
<zeltron>
Pascal : Yes, my /etc/exports is well-configured, but I haven't tried to mount the nfs share from another PC
07:57
<Blinny>
ogra: One second, let me check.
07:59
<zeltron>
Pascal : Ok, j'essaie et je vois ce que ça donne
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<Blinny>
ogra: Yes. I have two sessions listed for the user I've logged in as.
08:01
<ogra>
active ?
08:01
<Blinny>
One is TRUE one is FALSE
08:02
<ogra>
are you actually logged in twice ?
08:02
<Blinny>
The only other difference is the x11-display; one is localhost one is the thin client's IP
08:02
that must be my terminal
08:03
<ogra>
it should inherit the default session
08:04
<zeltron>
Pascal_1 : J'ai essayé de monter le repertoire(mount -t nfs ip_du_ltsp-server:/ltsp/i386
08:04
<Blinny>
It doesn't. Different ttys, and when I run 'who', one is logged in from 192.168.2.250 and one from 192.168.2.250:6. (w/ training .)
08:04
wait. 6.0
08:05
<Pascal_1>
zeltron, /opt/ltsp plutot non ?
08:05
<zeltron>
et j'ai eu la réponse suivante : failed. Reason given by server : permission non accordée
08:05
<Pascal_1>
as tu lancé cette commande /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload
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<zeltron>
avec /opt ca marche, en effet.
08:07
<Pascal_1>
tu montes bien le partage ?
08:07
<zeltron>
mon mail : zeltron80@free.fr. Merci pour ta procédure, je suis preneur ;-)
08:07
oui le partage se monte
08:09
<Pascal_1>
la procédure est partie ;-)
08:09
install faite depuis une fresh install debian
08:10
<zeltron>
Ok... merci, je teste ca
08:10
<Pascal_1>
je dois partir
08:10
salut
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10:47
<ogra>
vagrantc, hey, i got loose approval for Portland from July 21th to 28th ;)
10:47
<vagrantc>
ogra: rockin!
10:47
<ogra>
not 100% confirmed though, but looks good :)
10:48
<johnny>
hmm.. ROOT is not acceptable to portage btw.. i had to rename it
10:48
i ran into that issue again. :(
10:49
<vagrantc>
probably not difficult to switch to LTSP_ROOT
10:49
<johnny>
or just s/CHROOT/NAME/ and s/ROOT/CHROOT/
10:49
that'd be acceptable too
10:50
it doesnt' make sense that CHROOT is just a name on top of the base path
10:50
<itais>
vagrantc: you're not fixed the LANG environment in ldm in your latest ldm uploads, is there any problem with the suggested fix?
10:50
<vagrantc>
johnny: why does it make any less sense?
10:51
<johnny>
because CHROOT sounds like the entire path to the chroot.. not just a name on top of a base path ?
10:52
<vagrantc>
itais: ah, that's right. the only issue was weather to put the sourcing in the ltsp init script and/or screen_session script, since it would then apply to all screen scripts ...
10:53* ogra wonders if he should bite the bullet and just sync ldm ....
10:53
<itais>
vagrantc:but that should be an easy decision , then ;-)
10:53
<vagrantc>
johnny: i don't really see it that way... though for reference, i had originally called it CHROOT_NAME
10:53
ogra: what's the main diff left?
10:53
<ogra>
just fix portage :P
10:54
vagrantc, the epoch i think and the themes
10:54
<jammcq>
ogra: hey, cool on that jul 21-28 thing
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10:54
<vagrantc>
ogra: split the themes out into their own package(s)
10:54
<ogra>
jammcq, well, waiting for silbs approval, got colins
10:54
<jammcq>
yeah, like she'd say no
10:55
<vagrantc>
ogra: and eat some tasty epoch :)
10:55
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, they usually dont change and sit in my debian dir atm ...
10:55
<vagrantc>
ogra: if they usually don't change, then all the more reason to keep them as a separate package :)
10:55
<ogra>
i dont really see a need to have them separate
10:56
<vagrantc>
more maintenance overhead for keeping in sync with debian :P
10:57
<ogra>
where is your themes package ?
10:57
<slidesinger>
Hello jammcq
10:57
<vagrantc>
ogra: don't have any
10:58
ogra: other than the default LTSP one
10:58
<ogra>
no debian and debian-edu themes ?
10:58
<vagrantc>
ogra: oh, debian-edu has their own theme, yes.
10:58
ogra: i think that's in the debian-edu-artwork package.
10:59
but yeah, i dropped the debian theme when upstream dropped it ... just never got around to packaging it up.
11:00
<ogra>
did you leave the alternative handling in ? its quite essential for me
11:00
<vagrantc>
yes, the alternative handling is still there, although since ldm itself only includes a single alternative, it's much simplified
11:01
<ogra>
hmm, i'll think about it
11:01
still have enogh other merges to do
11:01
<vagrantc>
sure
11:02
<ogra>
i'm also close to the point to say i'll merge your ltsp
11:02
<vagrantc>
yay!
11:02
i look forward to the day when the diff is virtually non-existant
11:02
<ogra>
to lazy to roll these tarballs all the time
11:02
<vagrantc>
heh
11:03
<ogra>
and i dont think we differ to much apart from packaging data
11:03
<vagrantc>
lenny is looking in good shape, finally. :)
11:04
sid is, unfortunately, borked ... can't install a base system... so LTSP is tricky to test
11:04
<ogra>
got a really nice mail exchange with the dia maitainer today when i pushed my patches back to him for lenny inclusion
11:05
made me confident again that there are some nice guys in debian :)
11:05* vagrantc looks at feet
11:05
<ogra>
all that ranting from warren lets me lose my confidence sometimes that anyone likes ubuntu, s a pat on the back is a great thing :)
11:05
<vagrantc>
or am i too ltsp to be associated with debian? :)
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11:06* vagrantc waves to Gadi
11:06
<ogra>
hey Gadiman
11:06
<vagrantc>
Gadi: looks like your paniced phone call set the dates that no-one else could decide on :)
11:06
<jammcq>
ogra: don't worry about people loving Ubuntu. around here, people LOVE it
11:07* Gadi waves to everyone
11:07* Gadi is happy that my panicking is good for something
11:07
<Gadi>
:)
11:08
<johnny>
i hate ubuntu ogra :)
11:08
lol
11:08* Gadi only hopes ogra can make it - its just not the same without a smokin german in the room....
11:08
<johnny>
i wish i could make it
11:09
<jammcq>
Gadi: knucklehead
11:09
<Gadi>
:)
11:10
why is everyone beating up on ubuntu today?
11:11
<ogra>
Gadi, i'm near ... got line manager approval today for 21 to 28th, now waiting for final approval
11:12
<Gadi>
cool
11:13
you guys have lots of managers for a small company
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11:13
<jammcq>
it's not so small anymore
11:14
<ogra>
were over 200 ppl i'D guess
11:14
(i stopped cunting at 150)
11:14
<laga>
cunting?!
11:14
<ogra>
*erm counting
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11:23
<ogra>
vagrantc, ia64 ?
11:23
what for ?? is that even capable of running a desktop ?
11:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's got xserver-xorg ... so i'd presume so.
11:24* ogra thought vagrantc dropped that from the arch list already
11:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: i've only dropped ltsp ... ldm and ltspfs still have all the other arches
11:24
<ogra>
well, i doubt you get any usable performance out of these old machines
11:25
<vagrantc>
could be.
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<vagrantc>
might end up restricting architecture on ltspfs and ldm in the end...
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11:27
<vagrantc>
i guess there actually are arm and mips thin-clients out there ... but without anyone to test them ...
11:28
<ogra>
i would love to test arm if we'd suport it at all
11:29
<vagrantc>
there's actually untested network booting code generation for arm*
11:29
i just need hardware to test with
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11:29
<vagrantc>
otavio: did you say you had an arm thin client last year?
11:31
of course, we still haven't developed cross-architecture installation ... so you need to actually install on the same architecture, generally.
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11:35
<ogra>
vagrantc, btw, the gvfs patch from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320 works very well, i got good feedback, you might want to pull that into debian
11:36* cliebow cliebow Loves ubuntu..except wireless network card..still using old kernel..
11:36
<ogra>
(not sure you use gvfs in lenny though)
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11:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: it appears to be in unstable ... so not in lenny yet
11:37
ogra: that's what's replacing gnome-vfs ?
11:37
<ogra>
yep
11:37
gnome-vfs has the patch, i know josselin applied it two years ago and maintains it
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11:41
<Nubae>
ogra, is that patch available in proposed yet?
11:42
<ogra>
Nubae, apparently
11:42
if you want to test it i'd ask you to report success to the LP bug soit can move to -updates from proposed
11:42
it needs two positive comments
11:42
<Nubae>
ok... will do
11:43
<ogra>
gracias :)
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11:54
<otavio>
vagrantc: yes i have. I hadn't touch it since debconf
11:54
vagrantc: want anything specific?
11:55
<vagrantc>
otavio: well, when i dropped ltsp support for anything but i386, amd64 and powerpc, someone mentioned that we should keep arm ... so we'd need someone to test that it works with ltsp to add it back in
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11:58
<Nubae>
ogra: could you re post that bug report link again
11:58
the gvfs one
11:58
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379
11:58
<Nubae>
thanks
12:01
<gbolte>
heh we just ran across this issue yesterday on opensuse 11
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12:01
<otavio>
vagrantc: humm, I'll take a look what I can do. However it would need an "arm" server?
12:02
<ogra>
otavio, s/server/build env for ltsp-build-client/
12:03
otavio, you need an arm chroot and kernel ... and then copy it to an i386 server or so
12:03
<otavio>
ogra: afaik we hadn't support to build an arm chroot yet. Am I missing something there?
12:03
ogra: ah ok
12:03
ogra: what I suppose I'd need to do
12:04
<vagrantc>
otavio: i've actually made an arm (or armel) server in qemu in the past.
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12:07
<vagrantc>
otavio: but, basically, you just need to build an arm chroot, copy the chroot environment to another machine, run ltsp-update-kernels, configure dhcp ... and then try and boot the arm client ...
12:07
otavio: and also build arm ltsp-client* packages ...
12:08
<otavio>
vagrantc: great. I doubt I'll able to do before next week.
12:08
<ogra>
vagrantc, so what about starting to build xrececd into our packaes to be able to start playing with localapps ?
12:08
<vagrantc>
otavio: thanks, though :)
12:08
<ogra>
we ship the source since quite some time
12:09
<vagrantc>
otavio: would it be helpful if i tried to build the arm chroot in qemu ?
12:09
otavio: is your client arm, armel, or either?
12:09
<ogra>
i'd like us to look into localapps at the hackfest, so knowing the code builds etc in advance would be helpful
12:09
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm not opposed to doing so, but haven't had a chance to look into it yet.
12:10
<ogra>
well, just adding it to the builds should suffice for a start
12:10
i think it has all autofoo in the dir
12:11
<vagrantc>
oh, autofoo
12:11
<ogra>
ah, no, no Makefile.in yet, needs at least one autogen.sh run
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12:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
12:13
ogra: worked for me
12:14
<ogra>
yeah
12:14
<vagrantc>
no idea if xrexecd works
12:16
<ogra>
well, lets starts shipping it and get the scripts around it to find the bugs :)
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12:25
<otavio>
vagrantc: it is arm
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12:35
<johnny_>
too many floppies show up in hardy :(
12:35
got 4 on ever desktop.. for 4 computerz
12:36
<vagrantc>
i'm guessing that's the gvfs patches that everyone's been talking about
12:37
i should also try and get it out of there soonish, anyways :)
12:37
oops.
12:37
<xachen>
Anybody have any tips for sluggish performance?
12:38
I have a Quad Core 2.16Ghz, 3GB RAM, Dual 15k SCSI on raid1 and they all report occasional "freeze ups", real sluggly firefox and openoffice support, etc.
12:38
<ogra>
johnny_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379
12:38
update glib/gvs from -proposed
12:39
and comment on the bug please if it works for you
12:39
<johnny_>
ogra, i'm filing my kernel bug now
12:40
<ogra>
great
12:40
johnny_, btw seb is open for conversation, just ping him
12:44
<Nubae>
xachen... freezups... running hardy and firefox 3 beta 5?
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12:54* ogra glares and cant belive it
12:54
<ogra>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003776.html
12:55
<laga>
i wish flash sucked less. </obvious>
12:56
<ogra>
.oO( if i only coud stop grinning, thats so great )
12:56
laga, just wait a while ... thats a first step in the right direction
12:56
(asking the community whats best)
12:57
<laga>
i've just read an article about via's new open source policy on phoronix. i'm not that enthusiastic :)
12:58* ogra is so happy that went to motu instead of any canonical business contact
12:58
<laga>
and nobody said that guy was writing on behalf of his employer ;)
12:58* laga stops ruining everyone's day _now_.
13:01
<ogra>
laga, you cant ruin mine :)
13:01
<Nubae>
well he's being paid by adobe, and is offering to change their download page... think it's pretty official
13:04
btw.. I jsut installed ebox and it does change existing settings completely... I had squid, dansguardian, dhcp, samba, ldap etc all working and ebox goes and changes all the files and decides to force you to reset your configuration according to their logic
13:04
<laga>
does it revert the changes when uninstalling?
13:04
<ogra>
well, its just an easier webmin
13:05
it should, yes
13:05
i think it diverts the original files
13:05
<Nubae>
well, its not what I'm looking for at all... I want some gui that complements my existing /etc files, not replaces and hides the originals
13:05
<itais>
ogra: not it doesn't, once you use ebox you only can use ebox to admin
13:06
<Nubae>
gah... you're kidding
13:06
<laga>
Nubae: i've found that most GUIs which are intended to modify config files just break stuff.
13:06
<Nubae>
yeah, well, webmin worked wonders
13:06
never broke a thing
13:06
<ogra>
itais, the ubuntu exbox is very different to what you get in debian iirc
13:06
<laga>
unless you're exclusively using the GUI ;)
13:06
<itais>
I'm talking about upstream ebox
13:07
don't know if it's different from the ubuntu one
13:07
it does not recognise when you modify a file, as Nubae says it replaces the originals
13:07
<ogra>
well, it was originally ubuntu based, but the server team did put some effort in during hardy to make it less intrusive
13:08
<Nubae>
well, I'm uninstalling it... far too intrusive for me
13:08
<ogra>
but i dont know to many internals here, i'm not in the server team
13:08
Nubae, still better than webmin which does the same, but rips huge security holes, is badly maintained and runs everything as root
13:08
<itais>
even if it's less intrusive, it doesn't let you admin your services using ebox and, let's say connecting via ssh and manually altering a config file
13:10
<Nubae>
ogra: for me its just a gui to things I normally do through vi /etc/someconfigfile
13:10
only ever runs locally, not through the internet, so I'm not worries about security
13:10
<ogra>
well, do what you have to do
13:10
<itais>
ogra: webmin does not do the same, webmin recognise when you modify a config file using other methods (at least , that's what it did last time i used it, some years ago)
13:11
<Nubae>
itais... exactly...
13:12
<ogra>
itais, i thought you are debian user ? you didnt read all the discussions before it was deliberately removed from debian ?
13:12
there are reasons its not accepted into the distros
13:12
but hey, its your server, not mine :)
13:13
<Nubae>
what harm can it do if its not accessible outside the network?
13:13
<itais>
itais, I am a debian user ;-), and I know webmin has big security problems, (I haven't used it for years), but while ebox don't recognise when you change a config file, that's a regresion from the webmin side
13:13
<Nubae>
if you have a working server, installing ebox on top breaks everything
13:13
regardless if you have webmin or not
13:14
it shouldn't do that
13:15
damn, now I'm not even sure I can remove it, its trying to remove much more than it should be
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13:23* vagrantc notes that most security attacks come from the internal network
13:23
<ogra>
especially on ltsp servers :)
13:24
where they go theough lo
13:24
*through
13:25
anyway...
13:25* ogra calls it a day
13:25
<johnny_>
night
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<Nubae>
oh what fun... my ltsp server is now totally destroyed
13:47
I've had to start it up in safemode and now go methodically through what ebox did to it
13:48
couldn't even load up an admin user session
13:49
so for future reference, ebox does break existing configuration files with no way to go back to how it was before
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<Nubae>
well, ok, its not that dramatically destroyed, i've managed to restart most of the services now...
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: good point
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23:33
<warren>
ok, I can't figure out why nbdswapd isn't working here
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<achandrashekar>
hello.hopefully some people can answer some architecture questions. I have 32 pentium 3 pcs in a lab (diskless) with 383 mb a piece, being powered up with one edubuntu ltsp 8.04 athlon x2 2gb machine. When using things like openoffice or browsing to various sites with any more than 15 computers, things come to a crawl. Id like some help with re-architecting or soming up with a better solution for ltsp. Any ideas?
23:44
things are connected to 2 100mb switches
23:44
any ideas on either clustering or getting smarter with the setup?
23:45
How is the mille-xterm project with handling load?
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