IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<titi>
hello
03:16
i have a problem with ltspadmin
03:16
Status: 501 Protocol scheme '' is not supported
03:16
i'm using lenny
03:17* Ryan52 wonders what ltspadmin is
03:17
<Ryan52>
titi: why are you using ltsp 4.2?
03:18
<titi>
0.25-0
03:19
<Ryan52>
?
03:19
<titi>
I followed a tutorial :(
03:19
<Ryan52>
oh, that's horrible.
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<Ryan52>
titi: uhhh...start over.
03:20
<titi>
ok
03:20
<Ryan52>
titi: ltsp 4.2 is really old and outdated.
03:20
titi: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
03:20
use that tutorial.
03:21
<titi>
ok, but i have a second problem
03:21
i have a proxy
03:21
with dhcp
03:22
the first time i tried this tutoriel without success
03:23
<Appiah>
the ubuntu server that runs ltsp is installed with everything english but i want all clients to choose another language per default
03:23
what's the best way to achive this?
03:24
<Ryan52>
Appiah: change the default language on your system to it, and then change the default in the chroot to it.
03:24
Appiah: if you build the chroot after changing the default on your system, it should have them same, iirc.
03:24
<Appiah>
but I wanna keep it english for admins
03:25
<Ryan52>
fine, fine, I'll check, one second.
03:26
hm.
03:26
Appiah: LDM_LANGUAGE might do it.
03:27
ya, it should.
03:27
<Appiah>
aah
03:27
lts.conf ;)
03:27
ofcourse
03:27
<Ryan52>
then to change the login interface to the other language, change the default language in the chroot.
03:28
<Appiah>
do you happen to know how change it in the root? chroot and then change some file(s) ?
03:29
<Ryan52>
chroot and dpkg-reconfigure locales
03:29
(I think ... that's the Debian way, assuming it works on Ubuntu too)
03:30
<Appiah>
ye it should
03:30
thanks Ryan52
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<titi>
I followed the great tutorial this time ;)
03:55
but it does not
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client : tftp open timeout
03:55
I think it is because the ip given by my proxy (local), and not by the server ltsp
03:55
to solve this problem, you must adjust the ltsp or my proxy?
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<Appiah>
so you have two DHCP servers on the same net?
03:56
<titi>
yes
03:56
<Appiah>
that wont work ;)
03:56
you have to pick one
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<titi>
i know ;)
03:57
<Appiah>
I'd suggest you use the "proxy" one
03:57
and edit it to point out tftpboots to the ltspserver
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<titi>
I tried it first, and it does not
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<Appiah>
why not?
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<titi>
I think it's because I have not said anything at ltsp
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<Appiah>
you dont really need to
04:01
you should need your dhcpserver on "proxy" to point the tftp on ltsp
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<titi>
ok, I'm looking for how to add it
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<Appiah>
may I ask what dhcp server this "proxy" is running?
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<ogra>
titi, your proxy dhcp needs the next-server statement, a filename directive (and if you use debian also a root-path setting) in the dhcpd.conf
04:03
<titi>
yes and it assigns the correct ip to the machine
04:04
how I do this? For I myself do not know much
04:08
<Appiah>
well what dhcp server are you running titi ?
04:11
<titi>
v 1.4.2.2
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and if I forward port 69 (tftp) to the ltsp server with iptables?
04:16
<Appiah>
is it debian/ubuntu on the proxy server?
04:16
or what are you running? :)
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<titi>
debian etch on my proxy
04:21
with iptables dhcp and squid
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<alkisg>
Can I download the whole ltsp changelog from launchpad?
04:27
(I mean the commit messages from https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk)
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<Appiah>
titi: then just change the dhcpd.conf
04:28
put in the "next-server ip.to.my.ltspserver"
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and turn off the dhcpd on the ltsp server
04:33
<Ryan52>
alkisg: bzr branch bzrurl; cd ltsp-trunk; bzr log
04:35
<alkisg>
Ryan52: thanks! (trying to see if a race condition that was fixed some months ago reemerged..)
04:48
<titi>
when i turn off dhcp on ltsp server, my client has no address ip
04:49
when i turn on dhcp on ltsp server
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my client has an ip, but it does not
04:49
good client ip
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<titi>
dhcp ip = ltsp server ip
04:50
but PXE-EX32 : tftp open timeout
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<titi>
ogra: what do I set filename directive?
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<titi>
tftp error : file not found, i think I do not have the proper settings for root-path and filename in my dhcpd.conf
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<Appiah>
i think you need to explain more about your setup
05:30
<ogra>
doesnt debian ship an example file in /etc/ltsp ?
05:30
<Appiah>
is the LTSPserver on 1 or more then 1 NIC
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<ogra>
(or /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server)
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<titi>
can you explain "NIC", because I do not understand (I'm french)
05:33
<ogra>
Network Interface Card :)
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or short network card
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<titi>
ok thanks
05:34
my ltsp sever have 1 NIC, and it's a DomU (with xen)
05:39
it works !!!
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with option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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and filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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<Appiah>
:D
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<ogra>
right, that should be the default :)
05:40
<titi>
thanks Appiah and orgra :-D
05:42
it ask me username and password
05:55
stupid question: What is the first login with ltsp?
05:55
<ogra>
its a desktop user you created on the server
05:57
<titi>
yes
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08:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I think I found a bug of sorts...
08:38
Ubuntu 9.04 i386 Alternative install
08:38
mounting a USB stick on a client works great, no need to change anything in udev rules! :D
08:38
unfortunately, it appears to not unmount :/
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and then, after rebooting, the "mount" still exists on client desktops
08:39
it doesn't look like I can "unmount" the non-existent drive either :(
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<ogra>
unmount ?
08:48
you could never unmount ltspfs devices
08:48
just unplug
08:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, well that's what I thought.
08:49
it's not removing the icon from the desktop after pulling a USB storage device out of the client
08:49
<ogra>
on logout ldm calls ltspfsmounter cleanup
08:49
strange
08:49
i thought stgraber tested that
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<stgraber>
?? it does here
08:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
08:58
<stgraber>
if I plug and unplug the USB key it'll appear and disappear
08:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
maybe I did something wrong
08:58* _UsUrPeR_ re-tests
08:58
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: is that in the VZ setup ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: VZ? as in VZimage?
08:59
no, this is a standalone install
09:00
via the 9.04 alternate CD
09:01
ok, logout cleared it this time
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<_UsUrPeR_>
huh. Worked this time...
09:02
false alarm I guess. Sorry.
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<stgraber>
hehe
09:04
<ogra>
stgraber, btw, i made sure ltsp doesnt show up in MoM anymore
09:04
and filed a sync request for ltspfs (i think i subbed you)
09:04
<stgraber>
ogra: yep, saw that, thanks
09:04
ogra: yup, the sync was done this morning IIRC
09:04
<ogra>
hmm, i didnt see it yet
09:05
on a sidenote i fgound that i'm not mentioned anywhere in the ltspfs copyright :'-(
09:06
though i wrote half of it
09:11
<vagrantc>
ogra: we'll gladly add you, i just didn't see it in the commit logs...
09:13
ogra: put your name and years wherever you think they belong.
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<ogra>
vagrantc, well, ltspfsmounter is my code i noticed i didnt even add a header, the python cdpinger was mine though i'm not sure that justifies my name in the copyright for the C version and all the initial script versions were mine ... i'm not in the commit logs anywhere because sbalneav made the initial bzr branch from my ubuntu package
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<vagrantc>
ogra: looks like revision 1 of the packaging sbalneav just took credit for the whole thing :)
09:20
<ogra>
yep :)
09:20
i'll add myself and the headers where appropriate if i find time for it
09:22
<maginot>
hey
09:23
do you know if I can experience any problem if I install cupsys on ubuntu 8.10 ? I notice that this version comes with 7.10, but 8.10 comes with cups not cupsys...
09:24
and Im having some issues printing to this new server, asterisks in barcode font are not printing wich didnt happen with 7.10
09:25
(I know this is kind off topic, but maybe you can help me)
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<stgraber>
you'll very likely hit a lot of conflict with transitional packages and all
09:28
<maginot>
stgraber, Im having a problem, very seriously, cause Im not being able to print barcodes in the new server ... for some reason I dont know this barcode *AR12345RL* doesnt print with the asterisk, even if it show on evince... but if I print in the old server it prints ok
09:29
at #cups I can't get any answer, to be honest seens that everybody there is dead =/
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<alkisg>
How can I debug the logout process? Half of the times, users can't logout in Jaunty, the screen gets stuck and only shows their wallpapers and I have to zap the x-server... :(
09:50
<stgraber>
alkisg: any localapp running ?
09:50
<alkisg>
stgraber: nope - it's a quite clean alternate cd installation
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<alkisg>
Looks a little like another logout hanging I used to have (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1058) but that code hadn't changed since the fix... Still the same slow clients, though
09:52
<ogra_>
alkisg, try removing fusa
09:53
and check if logout via the gnome-session logout works different
09:53
<alkisg>
ogra_, I'll try. I'm not near the lab right now, so I'll test on Tuesday.
09:54
You mean apt-get remove fusa from the chroot, right?
09:54
<ogra_>
no, remove the applet from the panel
09:54
<alkisg>
Errr the server. Ah, ok
09:54
<ogra_>
that re-enables the session logout under the system menu
09:55
fusa uses debus to end the session, might have something to do with it
09:55
*dbus
09:55
<alkisg>
OK, but it worked fine in 8.10 with fusa
09:55
<ogra_>
it didnt use dbus in 8.10
09:56
<alkisg>
Thanks. Any other ideas, to try them all together?
09:56
<ogra_>
no, no other ideas, thats also only a guess but the most obvious to try
09:56
<alkisg>
OK, thanks ogra_! :)
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<rjune>
ogra_, !
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<Blinny>
alkisg: I've seen similar issues with Hardy if the power-manager daemon is NOT loaded in Preferences->Sessions
10:50
alkisg: It does eventually logout, just takes ~5 minutes to show the logout screen.
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<alkisg>
Blinny: I didn't do anything with power-manager, I left whatever jaunty has for default. I don't think I waited for 5 minutes, though... Thanks, I'll also check that :)
10:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
does ubuntu 9.04 still generate an xorg.conf on the client?
10:56* _UsUrPeR_ is having trouble figuring out how one of his TCs is working
10:56
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: only if you set X_something
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<_UsUrPeR_>
does X_CONFIGURE = <bool> still work?
10:57
or was that entirely removed?
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<alkisg>
(in lts.conf - not for all X_* stuff though, e.g. colordepth and same xrandr stuff don't generate it)
10:57
It was removed
10:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
I just want to see what's being generated
10:58
<alkisg>
Get a terminal on the client and look at it (when it's generated)...
10:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
slkisg: that's the problem. I am on my client and do not see anything in /etc/xorg.conf
10:58
err /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: even when it's generated, it's not there
10:59
Do a ps -ef to see where it is, somewhere in /var ...
11:00
(the path is a parameter to X)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
11:00
/var/run/lrsp-xorg.conf
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<droalt>
lol jaunty has funny dns issues
11:13
thought it might have been firefox
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<droalt>
Gadi or ogra you guys around?
11:18* ogra hasnt seen any DNS issues on jaunty yet
11:19
<droalt>
I resolved mine by manually assigning dns
11:19
but I had another question
11:19
ltsp + redirecting ltsp client cdrom into terminal services
11:20
by default rdesktop the ltsp server's cdrom
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<droalt>
found this to put in lts.conf LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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<treyh>
damn it keep getting disconnected lol
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<droalt2>
ok back to localdev and mapping ltsp client cdrom
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<telenieko>
Hi ppl. Is this the right place to ask about LTSP in Debian? (i.e: How to get it working with NBD root)
12:07
<vagrantc>
sure.
12:08
though i'm heading out soon...
12:08
like, now.
12:09
telenieko: basically, you should specify ltsp-build-client --squasfs-image or --create-ext2-image when you build the environment. the rest should hopefully be handled.
12:09
though you should catch my typo's
12:10
ltsp-build-client --squashfs-image or --create-ext2-image or --create-fs-image $your_preferred_filesystem
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<telenieko>
Thanks, tryiong out now ;)
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<droalt2>
anyone have any input on redirecting ltsp client cd to rdesktop
12:30
<droalt>
tried setting localdev = true in lts.conf with no success
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<droalt>
oops was connected twice LOL
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<maginot>
hey .. when a client prints a file... the file is sent from his box to the server?
12:52
<Blinny>
maginot: Everything runs on the server. It's sent from the server to the printer.
12:52
<maginot>
Blinny, well, even when Im using localapps ?
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<droalt>
/join #ts
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<droalt>
n/m got it lol
12:58
<Blinny>
maginot: Hrm. I assume the localapp is connected to the server's CUPS but I wouldn't swear. :)
12:58
I haven't yet delved into localapps.
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<Lns>
Anyone use OOo Presentation in LTSP?
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<alkisg>
Lns, yup, my students just finished a work on impress
13:07
The effects are really slow :(
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<Lns>
alkisg: hey =)
13:07
alkisg: do you experience any issues w/TC crashes when using "Slide Show" from a thin client?
13:07
alkisg: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906
13:07
<alkisg>
No, no crashes, just that some effects are painfully slow
13:08
....and my S3's only have 8Mb RAM
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<Lns>
alkisg: how much ram in your TCs?
13:08
<alkisg>
128
13:08
and local swap
13:09
<Lns>
ah, local swap probably saves you
13:09
mine just crash outright because of the massive pixmap caching locally :(
13:09
I'm getting a ton of grief from all of my sites because of it
13:09
<alkisg>
So X_RAMPREC would help you?
13:10
<Lns>
i've had very little success with X_RAMPERC actually. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
13:10
and I'm using nbd swap, so that probably bypasses it too, possibly, causing a ton of network congestion
13:11
But it remains that each slide of the presentation gets buffered to local X mem *twice* in the resolution of the screen
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50-75mb in local mem, with clients that have 128mb total :(
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<alkisg>
Ah, my students' assignements only had 4-8 slides, so a little ram was needed...
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<Lns>
well my stuff was crashing with only 2-3 slides
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<alkisg>
then how is this justified?
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<alkisg>
2-3 slides would need 4-6Mb, right?
13:14
<Lns>
apparently not
13:14
look at my first comment in http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906
13:15
52mb for a 1-slide slideshow once you enter "Slide Show"
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<alkisg>
"so 5 x worth of full screen display resolution worst case" => so it doesn't depend on the number of slides
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<Lns>
guess not
13:18
<alkisg>
Lns, and you have this with specific graphics cards, or with various graphics cards?
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<Lns>
mostly the same, but different sites have different systems yet experience the same thing
13:19
i guess it would be vidram that's running out, eh?
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<alkisg>
I'm not sure how pixmap caching is implemented, or even if it's driver - depended
13:20
But that (=vidram) wouldn't explain why my S3's play fine with just 8Mb ram.
13:20
(jaunty / OOo 3)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
am I missing something with 8.10 ltsp-localapps? I am trying to enable ip_forwarding (I have set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1), yet I still cannot use firefox/ping out from a client. what am I missing? *brain fart*
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<Appiah>
check the routes on the client
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then see if it can reach the gateway
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<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, right
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<_UsUrPeR_>
thanks appiah
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<Appiah>
dont thank me yet ^_^
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: also, `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE` if you want natting on the server
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<Lns>
alkisg: well i'm on OOo 2.4.1
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but i upgraded my own server to 3 w/a PPA, and still experience the same mem usage
13:24
*shrugs* I just hate hearing that so many people are having bad experiences with linux in general, even if it's a corner case
13:24
<alkisg>
Lns, ok, but it may be possible that mem usage isn't what causes the crash.
13:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
there's a bug in 8.10 alternate where it leaves the gateway for dhcpd.conf as 192.168.0.1 while the IP for eth1 is 192.168.0.254
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<alkisg>
Lns, e.g. if you put 512 RAM in a client, it never experienced this crash?
13:25
<Lns>
alkisg: not in my own 1220 pxe client, no
13:25
the good thing is, some schools are getting new HP TCs w/512mb ram
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but that's not going to help the tons of other people out there
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<alkisg>
OK, so, if I disable swap at my school, you think I'll have the same problem, right?
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<Lns>
maybe? :)
13:26
<alkisg>
OK, I'll try with nbd_swap (isn't that what you have?)
13:26
<Lns>
yeah
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<alkisg>
How frequent is it?
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<Lns>
every time
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<alkisg>
Ah ok then :)
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<Lns>
normally there's a full class, 35 students in the lab
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<alkisg>
I'll try with all my 8 PCs :P
13:27
<Lns>
all using OOo presentation, some randomly checking to see how their slideshows look by going into it..that's when the sh*t hits the fan
13:27
alkisg: hey thanks :) That's awesome, i'm eager to see how it works
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<alkisg>
Lns, sure - next class is on Tuesday though, so don't be too eager :)
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<Lns>
ha
13:28
ok
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hmm... http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/LTSP_and_graphics_applications heh
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<alkisg>
Ah, Lns, is it OK if I create a wiki page with lts-parameters? (and maybe if it's correct, some parts of it can be copy/pasted in lts-parameters.txt)
13:33
Because a lot of lts.conf parameters are missing...
13:33
<Lns>
alkisg: haha, you don't have to ask me =) But try to keep it clean and conform to the other pages =)
13:33
<alkisg>
Sure, could you suggest a name? UbuntuLTSP/LtsConf ?
13:34
<Lns>
Sounds good to me
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<alkisg>
k
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<Appiah>
oh ye
13:35
what ever happend with that fully documented "lts.conf.example"
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<alkisg>
Yeah, that would be best...
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<Blinny>
Anyone ever written a 'Please wait' dialog for a long-ish script? I'm thinking something like zenity --progress but w/out the cancel button.
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<maginot>
on cups who converts the files from pdf to ps when you print some pdf file?
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<Blinny>
ghostscript ?
13:43
<maginot>
gs ?
13:44
so its cups -> gs filter -> printer or is cups -> ps filter -> printer ?
13:44
<Blinny>
set cups LogLevel debug and find out for sure!
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<alkisg>
Blinny: there's such a dialog in ldm, it's displayed when the nbd image is changed and the clients have to reboot
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<maginot>
Blinny, I did but I cant see anything better
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<Blinny>
alkisg: yeah those almost always have 'OK' buttons though
13:51
<alkisg>
Blinny: no, I don't think it has any buttons
13:52
I think it uses ldm_dialog...
13:52
<Blinny>
Awesome. Thanks alkisg I'll check that out.
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<alkisg>
Blinny: here's a small try, I don't know all the command line parameters: echo 10 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ldm-dialog --progress --auto-close "test"
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<Blinny>
alkisg: Is ldm-dialog a newer thing? I don't see it in Hardy.
13:55
<alkisg>
Hmmm it may be... I first saw it in Intrepid. Well, go for zenity :)
13:55
<Blinny>
heh
13:55
Cheers mate
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<abz______>
hi guys trying to get ltsp workng - when i boot up i get the error message (when taking it off of quiet splash) of checking if image is initramfs...<7>Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0. It is. Kernel Panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes. Dumpring ftrace bufer: (ftrace buffer empty). Has 256MB RAM - any ideas?
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<abz______>
any ideas/
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<epsas>
huh
14:19
was this the same problem as yesterday?
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<abz______>
yeah i tried playing about with the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default but no avail
14:20
any other parameters i could be throwing in there
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<alkisg>
http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt :) (don't ask me which!!!)
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<Blinny>
abz______: I would suspect it's something specific to that client. Do you have another you could try?
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<abz______>
blinny - yeah works on others just not that one
14:24
trying to get to bottom....really want it to work on that one!
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<Blinny>
Does it boot w/out loading X ?
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<abz______>
nope
14:25
cant even get to a terminal screen. craps out on tha message
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<Blinny>
Bad RAM?
14:26
Unsupported NIC?
14:26
wild guesses
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<abz______>
ordered new ram to see
14:29
this is the box: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140314103721&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:GB:1123
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<alkisg>
abz______: if it supports usb booting, you could try putting a kernel in a usb stick
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<abz______>
tryin that just now!!!
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<abz______>
damnit usb key gone missing
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<alkisg>
Lns: did you try increasing the nbd swap space? It's <30Mb normally, why not try to get it to e.g. 256 Mb just to test if the problem goes away?
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<epsas>
does anyone else have problems using nv xorg drivers with ltsp?
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<Lns>
alkisg: I didn't try that actually
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<epsas>
was wondering if there are fancy X..= config values i should be placing in my lts.conf
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<Lns>
I used to have all sites at 256mb but that seemed to cause the TCs to take FOREVER to boot (3-4 minutes)
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<alkisg>
Btw, how can one increase the nbd_swap space?
15:59
Ah, /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf ... `man nbdswapd` should mention that :(
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<Lns>
http://wiki.getdeb.net/ - hmmmm...
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<epsas>
http://open.eucalyptus.com/
23:10
how about this on ltsp?
23:10
thoughts?
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