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i have a problem with ltspadmin
Status: 501 Protocol scheme '' is not supported
i'm using lenny
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titi: why are you using ltsp 4.2?
I followed a tutorial :(
oh, that's horrible.
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titi: uhhh...start over.
titi: ltsp 4.2 is really old and outdated.
use that tutorial.
ok, but i have a second problem
i have a proxy
the first time i tried this tutoriel without success
the ubuntu server that runs ltsp is installed with everything english but i want all clients to choose another language per default
what's the best way to achive this?
Appiah: change the default language on your system to it, and then change the default in the chroot to it.
Appiah: if you build the chroot after changing the default on your system, it should have them same, iirc.
but I wanna keep it english for admins
fine, fine, I'll check, one second.
Appiah: LDM_LANGUAGE might do it.
ya, it should.
then to change the login interface to the other language, change the default language in the chroot.
do you happen to know how change it in the root? chroot and then change some file(s) ?
chroot and dpkg-reconfigure locales
(I think ... that's the Debian way, assuming it works on Ubuntu too)
ye it should
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I followed the great tutorial this time ;)
but it does not
client : tftp open timeout
I think it is because the ip given by my proxy (local), and not by the server ltsp
to solve this problem, you must adjust the ltsp or my proxy?
so you have two DHCP servers on the same net?
that wont work ;)
you have to pick one
i know ;)
I'd suggest you use the "proxy" one
and edit it to point out tftpboots to the ltspserver
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I tried it first, and it does not
I think it's because I have not said anything at ltsp
you dont really need to
you should need your dhcpserver on "proxy" to point the tftp on ltsp
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ok, I'm looking for how to add it
may I ask what dhcp server this "proxy" is running?
titi, your proxy dhcp needs the next-server statement, a filename directive (and if you use debian also a root-path setting) in the dhcpd.conf
yes and it assigns the correct ip to the machine
how I do this? For I myself do not know much
well what dhcp server are you running titi ?
and if I forward port 69 (tftp) to the ltsp server with iptables?
is it debian/ubuntu on the proxy server?
or what are you running? :)
debian etch on my proxy
with iptables dhcp and squid
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Can I download the whole ltsp changelog from launchpad?
(I mean the commit messages from https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk)
titi: then just change the dhcpd.conf
put in the "next-server ip.to.my.ltspserver"
and turn off the dhcpd on the ltsp server
alkisg: bzr branch bzrurl; cd ltsp-trunk; bzr log
Ryan52: thanks! (trying to see if a race condition that was fixed some months ago reemerged..)
when i turn off dhcp on ltsp server, my client has no address ip
when i turn on dhcp on ltsp server
my client has an ip, but it does not
good client ip
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dhcp ip = ltsp server ip
but PXE-EX32 : tftp open timeout
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ogra: what do I set filename directive?
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tftp error : file not found, i think I do not have the proper settings for root-path and filename in my dhcpd.conf
i think you need to explain more about your setup
doesnt debian ship an example file in /etc/ltsp ?
is the LTSPserver on 1 or more then 1 NIC
can you explain "NIC", because I do not understand (I'm french)
Network Interface Card :)
or short network card
my ltsp sever have 1 NIC, and it's a DomU (with xen)
it works !!!
with option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
and filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
right, that should be the default :)
thanks Appiah and orgra :-D
it ask me username and password
stupid question: What is the first login with ltsp?
its a desktop user you created on the server
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ok, I think I found a bug of sorts...
Ubuntu 9.04 i386 Alternative install
mounting a USB stick on a client works great, no need to change anything in udev rules! :D
unfortunately, it appears to not unmount :/
and then, after rebooting, the "mount" still exists on client desktops
it doesn't look like I can "unmount" the non-existent drive either :(
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you could never unmount ltspfs devices
yeah, well that's what I thought.
it's not removing the icon from the desktop after pulling a USB storage device out of the client
on logout ldm calls ltspfsmounter cleanup
i thought stgraber tested that
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?? it does here
if I plug and unplug the USB key it'll appear and disappear
maybe I did something wrong
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_UsUrPeR_: is that in the VZ setup ?
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stgraber: VZ? as in VZimage?
no, this is a standalone install
via the 9.04 alternate CD
ok, logout cleared it this time
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huh. Worked this time...
false alarm I guess. Sorry.
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stgraber, btw, i made sure ltsp doesnt show up in MoM anymore
and filed a sync request for ltspfs (i think i subbed you)
ogra: yep, saw that, thanks
ogra: yup, the sync was done this morning IIRC
hmm, i didnt see it yet
on a sidenote i fgound that i'm not mentioned anywhere in the ltspfs copyright :'-(
though i wrote half of it
ogra: we'll gladly add you, i just didn't see it in the commit logs...
ogra: put your name and years wherever you think they belong.
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vagrantc, well, ltspfsmounter is my code i noticed i didnt even add a header, the python cdpinger was mine though i'm not sure that justifies my name in the copyright for the C version and all the initial script versions were mine ... i'm not in the commit logs anywhere because sbalneav made the initial bzr branch from my ubuntu package
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ogra: looks like revision 1 of the packaging sbalneav just took credit for the whole thing :)
i'll add myself and the headers where appropriate if i find time for it
do you know if I can experience any problem if I install cupsys on ubuntu 8.10 ? I notice that this version comes with 7.10, but 8.10 comes with cups not cupsys...
and Im having some issues printing to this new server, asterisks in barcode font are not printing wich didnt happen with 7.10
(I know this is kind off topic, but maybe you can help me)
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you'll very likely hit a lot of conflict with transitional packages and all
stgraber, Im having a problem, very seriously, cause Im not being able to print barcodes in the new server ... for some reason I dont know this barcode *AR12345RL* doesnt print with the asterisk, even if it show on evince... but if I print in the old server it prints ok
at #cups I can't get any answer, to be honest seens that everybody there is dead =/
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How can I debug the logout process? Half of the times, users can't logout in Jaunty, the screen gets stuck and only shows their wallpapers and I have to zap the x-server... :(
alkisg: any localapp running ?
stgraber: nope - it's a quite clean alternate cd installation
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Looks a little like another logout hanging I used to have (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1058) but that code hadn't changed since the fix... Still the same slow clients, though
alkisg, try removing fusa
and check if logout via the gnome-session logout works different
ogra_, I'll try. I'm not near the lab right now, so I'll test on Tuesday.
You mean apt-get remove fusa from the chroot, right?
no, remove the applet from the panel
Errr the server. Ah, ok
that re-enables the session logout under the system menu
fusa uses debus to end the session, might have something to do with it
OK, but it worked fine in 8.10 with fusa
it didnt use dbus in 8.10
Thanks. Any other ideas, to try them all together?
no, no other ideas, thats also only a guess but the most obvious to try
OK, thanks ogra_! :)
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alkisg: I've seen similar issues with Hardy if the power-manager daemon is NOT loaded in Preferences->Sessions
alkisg: It does eventually logout, just takes ~5 minutes to show the logout screen.
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Blinny: I didn't do anything with power-manager, I left whatever jaunty has for default. I don't think I waited for 5 minutes, though... Thanks, I'll also check that :)
does ubuntu 9.04 still generate an xorg.conf on the client?
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_UsUrPeR_: only if you set X_something
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does X_CONFIGURE = <bool> still work?
or was that entirely removed?
(in lts.conf - not for all X_* stuff though, e.g. colordepth and same xrandr stuff don't generate it)
It was removed
I just want to see what's being generated
Get a terminal on the client and look at it (when it's generated)...
slkisg: that's the problem. I am on my client and do not see anything in /etc/xorg.conf
err /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
_UsUrPeR_: even when it's generated, it's not there
Do a ps -ef to see where it is, somewhere in /var ...
(the path is a parameter to X)
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lol jaunty has funny dns issues
thought it might have been firefox
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Gadi or ogra you guys around?
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I resolved mine by manually assigning dns
but I had another question
ltsp + redirecting ltsp client cdrom into terminal services
by default rdesktop the ltsp server's cdrom
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found this to put in lts.conf LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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ok back to localdev and mapping ltsp client cdrom
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Hi ppl. Is this the right place to ask about LTSP in Debian? (i.e: How to get it working with NBD root)
though i'm heading out soon...
telenieko: basically, you should specify ltsp-build-client --squasfs-image or --create-ext2-image when you build the environment. the rest should hopefully be handled.
though you should catch my typo's
ltsp-build-client --squashfs-image or --create-ext2-image or --create-fs-image $your_preferred_filesystem
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Thanks, tryiong out now ;)
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anyone have any input on redirecting ltsp client cd to rdesktop
tried setting localdev = true in lts.conf with no success
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oops was connected twice LOL
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hey .. when a client prints a file... the file is sent from his box to the server?
maginot: Everything runs on the server. It's sent from the server to the printer.
Blinny, well, even when Im using localapps ?
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n/m got it lol
maginot: Hrm. I assume the localapp is connected to the server's CUPS but I wouldn't swear. :)
I haven't yet delved into localapps.
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Anyone use OOo Presentation in LTSP?
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Lns, yup, my students just finished a work on impress
The effects are really slow :(
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alkisg: hey =)
alkisg: do you experience any issues w/TC crashes when using "Slide Show" from a thin client?
No, no crashes, just that some effects are painfully slow
....and my S3's only have 8Mb RAM
alkisg: how much ram in your TCs?
and local swap
ah, local swap probably saves you
mine just crash outright because of the massive pixmap caching locally :(
I'm getting a ton of grief from all of my sites because of it
So X_RAMPREC would help you?
i've had very little success with X_RAMPERC actually. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
and I'm using nbd swap, so that probably bypasses it too, possibly, causing a ton of network congestion
But it remains that each slide of the presentation gets buffered to local X mem *twice* in the resolution of the screen
50-75mb in local mem, with clients that have 128mb total :(
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Ah, my students' assignements only had 4-8 slides, so a little ram was needed...
well my stuff was crashing with only 2-3 slides
then how is this justified?
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2-3 slides would need 4-6Mb, right?
look at my first comment in http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906
52mb for a 1-slide slideshow once you enter "Slide Show"
"so 5 x worth of full screen display resolution worst case" => so it doesn't depend on the number of slides
Lns, and you have this with specific graphics cards, or with various graphics cards?
mostly the same, but different sites have different systems yet experience the same thing
i guess it would be vidram that's running out, eh?
I'm not sure how pixmap caching is implemented, or even if it's driver - depended
But that (=vidram) wouldn't explain why my S3's play fine with just 8Mb ram.
(jaunty / OOo 3)
am I missing something with 8.10 ltsp-localapps? I am trying to enable ip_forwarding (I have set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1), yet I still cannot use firefox/ping out from a client. what am I missing? *brain fart*
check the routes on the client
then see if it can reach the gateway
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dont thank me yet ^_^
_UsUrPeR_: also, `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE` if you want natting on the server
alkisg: well i'm on OOo 2.4.1
but i upgraded my own server to 3 w/a PPA, and still experience the same mem usage
*shrugs* I just hate hearing that so many people are having bad experiences with linux in general, even if it's a corner case
Lns, ok, but it may be possible that mem usage isn't what causes the crash.
there's a bug in 8.10 alternate where it leaves the gateway for dhcpd.conf as 192.168.0.1 while the IP for eth1 is 192.168.0.254
Lns, e.g. if you put 512 RAM in a client, it never experienced this crash?
alkisg: not in my own 1220 pxe client, no
the good thing is, some schools are getting new HP TCs w/512mb ram
but that's not going to help the tons of other people out there
OK, so, if I disable swap at my school, you think I'll have the same problem, right?
OK, I'll try with nbd_swap (isn't that what you have?)
How frequent is it?
Ah ok then :)
normally there's a full class, 35 students in the lab
I'll try with all my 8 PCs :P
all using OOo presentation, some randomly checking to see how their slideshows look by going into it..that's when the sh*t hits the fan
alkisg: hey thanks :) That's awesome, i'm eager to see how it works
Lns, sure - next class is on Tuesday though, so don't be too eager :)
hmm... http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/LTSP_and_graphics_applications heh
Ah, Lns, is it OK if I create a wiki page with lts-parameters? (and maybe if it's correct, some parts of it can be copy/pasted in lts-parameters.txt)
Because a lot of lts.conf parameters are missing...
alkisg: haha, you don't have to ask me =) But try to keep it clean and conform to the other pages =)
Sure, could you suggest a name? UbuntuLTSP/LtsConf ?
Sounds good to me
what ever happend with that fully documented "lts.conf.example"
Yeah, that would be best...
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Anyone ever written a 'Please wait' dialog for a long-ish script? I'm thinking something like zenity --progress but w/out the cancel button.
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on cups who converts the files from pdf to ps when you print some pdf file?
so its cups -> gs filter -> printer or is cups -> ps filter -> printer ?
set cups LogLevel debug and find out for sure!
Blinny: there's such a dialog in ldm, it's displayed when the nbd image is changed and the clients have to reboot
Blinny, I did but I cant see anything better
alkisg: yeah those almost always have 'OK' buttons though
Blinny: no, I don't think it has any buttons
I think it uses ldm_dialog...
Awesome. Thanks alkisg I'll check that out.
Blinny: here's a small try, I don't know all the command line parameters: echo 10 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ldm-dialog --progress --auto-close "test"
alkisg: Is ldm-dialog a newer thing? I don't see it in Hardy.
Hmmm it may be... I first saw it in Intrepid. Well, go for zenity :)
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hi guys trying to get ltsp workng - when i boot up i get the error message (when taking it off of quiet splash) of checking if image is initramfs...<7>Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0. It is. Kernel Panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes. Dumpring ftrace bufer: (ftrace buffer empty). Has 256MB RAM - any ideas?
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was this the same problem as yesterday?
yeah i tried playing about with the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default but no avail
any other parameters i could be throwing in there
http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt :) (don't ask me which!!!)
abz______: I would suspect it's something specific to that client. Do you have another you could try?
blinny - yeah works on others just not that one
trying to get to bottom....really want it to work on that one!
Does it boot w/out loading X ?
cant even get to a terminal screen. craps out on tha message
ordered new ram to see
this is the box: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140314103721&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:GB:1123
abz______: if it supports usb booting, you could try putting a kernel in a usb stick
tryin that just now!!!
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Lns: did you try increasing the nbd swap space? It's <30Mb normally, why not try to get it to e.g. 256 Mb just to test if the problem goes away?
does anyone else have problems using nv xorg drivers with ltsp?
alkisg: I didn't try that actually
was wondering if there are fancy X..= config values i should be placing in my lts.conf
I used to have all sites at 256mb but that seemed to cause the TCs to take FOREVER to boot (3-4 minutes)
Btw, how can one increase the nbd_swap space?
Ah, /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf ... `man nbdswapd` should mention that :(
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http://wiki.getdeb.net/ - hmmmm...
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