IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 September 2014   (all times are UTC)

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<gdi2k>
thought I might share this with the LTSP community: had an interesting issue with tftp yesterday. We've set up a wireless link between two buildings about 300 meters away. It's great, it delivers 100 MBPS and is fine for the training fat clients we have there. However, I noticed that TFTP is much slower over the wireless link than over wired links (where is also slow, but not awful). On the wireless link we were getting less than 2 mbps, which made the fat clie
00:07
nts appear to boot very slowly. as we are using ipxe which supports booting via HTTP, I installed a small webserver on the LTSP server and we have the fat clients boot from that instead of TFTP. The image is delivered at near wire speed and the clients boot fast. Also increased boot speed for the regular wired fat clients :)
00:10
<vagrantc>
basically, we've stuck with tftp simply because so many PXE implementations support it
00:11
but it's definitely interesting to know that you've seen significant speed improvements with http
00:11
gdi2k: were you using tftp with ipxe as well?
00:11
<gdi2k>
vagrantc, yes I was
00:12
no idea why it's sensitive to wireless links - I can only think it's the marginal increase in latency (0.2ms to 1ms with a bit more jitter (0.8 - 2ms)
00:15* vagrantc suspects udp vs. tcp
00:16
<gdi2k>
vagrantc, we have our DHCP set up to send clients to a ipxe script, which then sends the client to the ltsp server. it buys us a lot of features
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00:19
<vagrantc>
nice
00:20* vagrantc has sometimes wondered about chainloading ipxe, too
00:21
<gdi2k>
vagrantc, the other nice feature is failover. if it can't boot from one server, it automatically boots from the next - the user doesn't have to understand or do anything
00:21
and crazy complicated boot menus of course
00:22
<vagrantc>
failover to download the ipxe script? or just once the script's been downloaded?
00:22
<gdi2k>
the ipxe guys also said I could have servers send their load to a PHP script on a webserver, then ipxe could send the clients to the least loaded server. I haven't played with it, but may be great for simple clustinerg
00:22
<vagrantc>
yeah
00:23
<gdi2k>
vagrantc, once the script's been downloaded, but we have 2 pfsense firewalls in failover / carp each serving tftp, so if one fails, it will still get DHCP and the ipxe script from the other pfsense server and carry on
00:35
vagrantc, boot speed using ipxe: http://ge.tt/9t34T4u1/v/0 - this is a VM fat client booting, but the real machines are pretty much the same
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<sivasan>
hello
01:09
have a problem . Installed windows office and google sketchup in LTSP host pc . Cannot view the installed program(windows) in client pc. Using edubuntu 12.04 pls help
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01:15
<sivasan>
installed ms office and google sketch up in LTSP host pc , cannot view the installed prog in client pc . Pls help
01:17
<vagrantc>
it works fine on a disked machine?
01:17
what happens when you try to start it?
01:21
<sivasan>
in the host pc I use playonlinux to install both the program . had no issue in running on host pc ie the installed program can be seen in the host pc . When I boot up the client pc the installed program cannot be seen or accessed. We are using a diskless system in our school with one main computer (host) controlling 30 client pc .
01:24
<vagrantc>
sivasan: fat or thin clients?
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<sivasan>
sorry vagrantc i am new for ltsp whats the diff thin/fat client?
01:30
<vagrantc>
thin clients run the applications on the server and display to the client
01:31
fat clients run the applications on the client hardware
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<sivasan>
ok our system is host pc has 16g ram 2TB hardisk and install with Edubuntu 12.04 software , while the client has no hardisk (diskless) and no OS . It will connect to Host pc via network and boot up like a individual pc
01:52
the thin client uses the host os and uses some of the programs but saved files will be saved in the 2TB hard disk in host pc . When I want to teach ms office to the student my thinking was if i install windows via playonlinux to host it can be assesible in client but i can't see the installed file at all
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<sivasan>
ok our system is host pc has 16g ram 2TB hardisk and install with Edubuntu 12.04 software , while the client has no hardisk (diskless) and no OS . It will connect to Host pc via network and boot up like a individual pc .Try installing ms office via playonlinux in host but cannot accesible by client
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06:02
<sivasan>
hello i have a problem . Our school uses a LTSP host and 30 units of diskless workstation connected by Network Nic card . We were planning to teach mswindows 2007 and google sketch up to the kids . I managed to install both the application in to the host by using playonlinux . Both worked fine in the host but when I opened the diskless workstation both the application was not visible or accessible in the workstation . Please help now
06:12
<work_alkisg>
sivasan: are you using the same user account on the server and on the client when you're doing the tests?
06:12work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
06:13
<alkisg>
I.e. when you install office on user1@server, are you then trying with user@ltspclient?
06:13
*user1
06:13
Because AFAIK, wine installations are per-user, not system-wide...
06:18
<sivasan>
i install the app in the host at admin account the workstation is different account
06:18
<alkisg>
Wine doesn't work that way
06:19
<sivasan>
any other method?
06:20
<alkisg>
For office etc, I'd suggest using windows, either physically, or with remote desktop or via virtual machines
06:20
Linux is only good if you're willing to use its programs; it's not good to change an OS and try to keep its programs
06:22
<sivasan>
our system is based on edubuntu 12.04 ltsp .like user friendly google sketchup or ms office is easy to teach for children .
06:22
<muppis>
Like one friend I used to have. Bought Macbook and used CrossOver Mac to install Windows games to play. I was totally WTF at that point.
06:23
<alkisg>
Change the system then, edubuntu is not suitable for those applications
06:24
Unless if you want to run windows over ltsp...
06:24
And only use ltsp for the netbooting part
06:24
<sivasan>
anyway i can like use windows os linked to the edubuntu 12.04?like dual boot
06:25
how to run windows over ltsp?
06:25
<alkisg>
Do the clients have local disks?
06:25
<sivasan>
no it is diskless
06:26
<alkisg>
How much RAM do the clients have?
06:26
<sivasan>
1GB ram
06:26
<alkisg>
You can install virtualbox and run windows inside ltsp, or you can install windows server and connect to it with xfreerdp
06:29
<sivasan>
tried once using vmware virtualbox , loaded windows 7 into host , works well in host , in the client the vmware virtualbox is visible without windows in it..
06:30
<alkisg>
virtualbox too is per-user, you need to automate it in order to be available for all users
06:30
Sorry I don't know of any online links for how to do that, and it would take much time to explain it here
06:31
<sivasan>
it will be my pleasure if you could show me .. it took me days without a solution..
06:34
you mention windows server you mean install to virtualbox?
06:34
<alkisg>
windows server can be anywhere, either on virtualbox or on a different pc
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<sivasan>
different pc you mean needs hard disk and ram?
06:35
or server based
06:36
<alkisg>
Either
06:37
<sivasan>
can we use the pc to the ltsp(diskless workstation)
06:37
<alkisg>
Yes
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<sivasan>
do i need to off the linux host pc when the windows server pc is active?
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<FrozenZia1>
Think my question didn
06:40
't get here a second ago.
06:41
How to get client information from command line (AT the client) using e.g. cat /proc/cpuinfo?
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<alkisg>
FrozenZia1: ltsp-localapps xterm, and there, cat /proc/cpuinfo
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<FrozenZia1>
alkisg: sorry, not in my ltsp environment just now to try this -- so I run "ltsp-localapps xterm" on the client (either with like alt+f2 or from a terminal), which starts an xterm as local app?
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06:46
<alkisg>
Yes, see:
06:46
!localxterm
06:46
<ltsp>
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
06:47
<FrozenZia1>
Fabulous. Tx. BTW, is there a way to get a listing of all the !-stuff that are set up for a channel?
06:48
I presume that's pretty much a good FAQ list.
06:49
<alkisg>
I don't remember it off hand, google for "supybot factoids list"
06:50
<FrozenZia1>
will do.
06:52
<Hyperbyte>
FrozenZia1, I don't think there is.
06:52
The factoids list is way too long to transmit over IRC
06:52
It contains hundreds and hundreds of useful facts
06:53
Like
06:53
!alkisg
06:53
<ltsp>
alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
06:54
<FrozenZia1>
Love it.
06:57
...ignore this...
06:57
!ask
06:57
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
06:58
<FrozenZia1>
Yep.
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<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp
07:54
<ltsp>
ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
07:54
<Hyperbyte>
!fatclients
07:54
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
07:54
<Hyperbyte>
!sound
07:54
<ltsp>
sound: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
07:55
<Hyperbyte>
!help
07:55
<ltsp>
(help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
07:57
<alkisg>
!search a*
07:57
<ltsp>
There were no matching configuration variables.
07:57
<alkisg>
!factoids search a*
07:57
<ltsp>
'a', 'adding-modules', 'alkisg', 'alkisg-todo', 'alkisg_todo', 'alternate', 'anyone', 'arcfour', and 'ask'
07:57
<alkisg>
!factoids search b*
07:57
<ltsp>
'BOOTPROMPT_OPTS', 'bennabiy_todo', 'bestltspdistro', 'bootfloppy', 'bts', 'bts-todo', 'bug', 'button_layout', and 'buttons'
07:57
<alkisg>
!factoids search c*
07:57
<ltsp>
'ceremony', 'changelog', 'checklist', 'client-list', 'compiz', 'composition', and 'cups'
07:57
<alkisg>
!factoids search *
07:57
<ltsp>
More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
07:57
<alkisg>
etc etc
07:57
In a pm with the bot: factoids search #ltsp a*
07:59
Automatically creating ltsp.org/factoids would be cooler though ;)
07:59
...and linkable, e.g. we could tell people in mailing lists to look at ltsp.org/factoids#fatclients
08:05
<FrozenZia1>
Fascinating. I guess ltsp-bot "inherits" some certain set of factoids + then has been modified to contain ltsp-specific stuff?
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<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg_todo
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<ltsp>
alkisg_todo: (#1) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#2) implement ltsp-config aoe, or (#3) teach launchpad to only use the debian dir when vagrantc makes his branch correspond with upstream source, or (#4) fix vendor:pxe in ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf and add more options, or (#5) parse dhcpinfo.dat from (1 more message)
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<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg-todo
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<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#2) implement ltsp-config aoe, or (#3) fix vendor:pxe in ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf and add more options, or (#4) parse dhcpinfo.dat from http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Linux.c32, or (#5) test reverse sshfs: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/13289/reverse-sshfs-mount
14:06
<Hyperbyte>
!ceremony
14:06
<ltsp>
ceremony: That would be Hyperbyte.
14:06
<Hyperbyte>
.... eh?
14:06
You would be nuts.
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<work_alkisg>
!ceremony
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<ltsp>
ceremony: That would be Hyperbyte.
15:45
<work_alkisg>
...
15:45
!forget alkisg_todo
15:45
<ltsp>
Error: 6 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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<work_alkisg>
!forget alkisg_todo *
15:46
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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<work_alkisg>
!client-list
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<ltsp>
client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
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<tfdl>
hello gentlemen, i wonder if it is possible to configure the ltsp server to use all terminals/clients as one big screen? This i want to use as a solution for video wall, and for 2 reasons: the cost of video wall devices and software are so high for our school, and we have been using ltsp with amazing result/performance in other project.
18:00
thank you all for any suggestion.
18:18
<vagrantc>
wow
18:19
there were some software utilities that could do that sort of thing ... forget the names
18:20
tfdl: x2x
18:20
although it claims to only support two devices
18:21
<tfdl>
vagrantc and alkisg helped me a lot before and ofcourse others.
18:21
<vagrantc>
tfdl: it's conceptually possible, but not sure about the details
18:21
<tfdl>
i found this when i google ltsp + video wall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDg-iCNzIxo&feature=youtu.be
18:23
thanks vagrantc. this is the expert forum for ltsp i believe.
18:25
we have been using ltsp 12.04 distro over a year at the TFDL library of the University of Calgary and its performance is so so good. we loved it.
18:26
<vagrantc>
glad to hear it!
18:28
<tfdl>
here is our library and ltsp works are in there. https://www.google.ca/search?q=tfdl+library+media+wall&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=702&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-VELVIyzLoi9iwKon4GgDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
18:28
<vagrantc>
!map
18:28
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'map', but I do know about these similar topics: 'worldmap'
18:28
<vagrantc>
!worldmap | echo tfdl
18:28
<ltsp>
tfdl worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
18:32
<tfdl>
thanks, will add.
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