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Channel log from 31 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:12
<rjune_>
joebaker: you know the address of the site that keeps congress voting records?
00:18
he seems to have some odd views.
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07:44
<sbalneav>
Morning all
07:51
<cliebow_>
Scottie!!
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07:56
<sbalneav>
joebaker: Did you get my email?
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08:05
<joebaker>
sbalneav: I'm just about to dig into my email. Thanks.
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08:10
<dtrask>
cliebow_: top 'o the mornin' to ya!
08:10
<cliebow_>
sbalneav: playing with intelmac..with pxelinux.0 i see two packets..then fragmented ip packets..with nbi.img it downloads 746 packets..one packet then 4 fragmented then anoher packet 4 fragmented...
08:10
dtrask:and to you as well...
08:11
sbalneav: all the way to the end..at ewhich point it starts right in downloading nbi.img all over agaoin
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08:14
<mhterres>
hello guys
08:15
Hey, I think I'm having a problem with VGA
08:15
lspci says:
08:15
VGA compatible controller: National Semiconductor Corporation Geode GX2 Graphics Processor
08:15
but LTSP 5(Ubuntu Gutsy) hangs up with it
08:16
hello jammcq, morning
08:16
<cliebow_>
mhterres you may have to specify nsc driver
08:17
<mhterres>
hmmm, nsc
08:17
ok, I'm trying vesa without success
08:17
let me sse
08:17
see
08:17
<sbalneav>
mhterres: Yeah, the AMD Geode driver has a problem
08:18
<jammcq>
mhterres: hey, you still traveling with marlon?
08:18
<sbalneav>
Yoy'll have to provide a pre-defined xorg.conf file, and set it with X_CONF = ...
08:18
mhterres: See Bug #140051 on Launchpad.
08:18
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, yoy
08:18
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
08:19
<mhterres>
hello sbalneav, I did not see you here :-)
08:19
jammcq: Yes, we are in Bagé
08:19
south of Rio Grande do Sul
08:19
near from Uruguai
08:19
<jammcq>
yeah, he was telling me about picking you up at 4am
08:20
<mhterres>
yes
08:20
<joebaker>
If a thin client has an 815 intel graphics chip, do we now get 3D graffics support on Edubuntu thin clients?
08:20
<mhterres>
but he picked me up at 6:30am
08:20
<jammcq>
heh
08:20
<mhterres>
cause the rain was very strong in the night :-)
08:20
<jammcq>
oh
08:20
<mhterres>
Marlon says hello
08:21* jammcq tunnels a "hello" through mhterres
08:21
<mhterres>
hehhe
08:21
great
08:21
:-)
08:21
thanks sbalneav
08:23
<cliebow_>
jammcq:dont know if you read earlier post..but do you suppose tftp transfer blocksize can be reduced? increased? for intelmac tftp?
08:24
<jammcq>
yes
08:24
well
08:24
the default is 512
08:25
the protocol was then "enhanced" to support a 'blksize' request to say it's ok to use larger blocks
08:26
I think the server advertises whether it supports the blksize option, then the client has to request it
08:26
<cliebow_>
ok/lemm look thru this capture
08:26
<mhterres>
we are starting the FISL 9 movement
08:26
movements
08:26
<jammcq>
mhterres: you working on the committee ?
08:26
<mhterres>
the call for papers will start soon
08:26
again in community events
08:26
<jammcq>
mhterres: count on me to be there
08:27
<mhterres>
yes, off course
08:27
and you Scott ?
08:27
and Ogra ? Did you guys convinced him to come next year ?
08:27
:-)
08:27
<cliebow_>
client is requesting blocksize of 512 alright
08:28
blksize 512 tsize 6111050
08:29
then negotiation fails..
08:29
client then requests blocksize of 8192
08:29
<mhterres>
jammcq: but I'm doing all the community event organization in a remote way, cause I can't participate in the meetings. I don't have time now. But I did this this year and works fine.
08:29
<cliebow_>
server acknowledges
08:30
<joebaker>
sbalneav: So the ltsp-localapps spec wiki can be marked up still?
08:34
<mhterres>
sbalneav: I use the nsc driver in the pre-defined xorg.conf ?
08:35
<jammcq>
cliebow_: you can tell your server to NOT support the blksize request, which means the client should stay at 512
08:36
<cliebow_>
ok
08:36
<sbalneav>
joebaker: Yep, I'm adding to it now.
08:38
mhterres: In gutsy, it's now "amd"
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08:39
<mhterres>
sbalneav: thanks
08:43
<warren>
OK, Fedora 8 is done, I'm available to attend sessions starting tomorrow.
08:43
<jammcq>
warren: HEY !!!
08:43
<warren>
jammcq, hello
08:43
<jammcq>
warren: you gonna join us this weekend?
08:43
<warren>
jammcq, yes
08:43
<jammcq>
fantastic !!!
08:43
<warren>
jammcq, despite the really long drive, yes.
08:44
<jammcq>
it'll be in a nice big suburban
08:44
<warren>
jammcq, unsuccessful in convincing any other hackers to go, mainly because of the distance.
08:44
<jammcq>
they are all sissies
08:44
<warren>
jammcq, I will need to drive myself, because how else will I get back? =)
08:44
<jammcq>
we're dropping a few people back in boston on monday afternoon
08:44
<warren>
jammcq, when do you plan on arriving and departing from there?
08:44
jammcq, oh really?
08:44
cool
08:44
hmmm
08:44
<jammcq>
yes, really
08:45
<warren>
jammcq, how is Eric getting to Portland, ME?
08:45
<jammcq>
I've been promising people that we'll have them back by 5pm
08:45
<sbalneav>
jammcq: Are we splitting the drive back home over two days?
08:45
<jammcq>
we're dropping him along the way
08:45
sbalneav: yep
08:45
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
08:45
<jammcq>
BOS->Rochester-ny on monday evening
08:45
<warren>
jammcq, what's the plan for date/time of BOS departure and BOS arrival?
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08:46
<warren>
jammcq, that's quite some driving
08:46
jammcq, is that a rented Suburban?
08:46
<jammcq>
leaving Boston area around 9 or 10pm on friday evening, heading up to Freeport, ME
08:46
warren: nope, it's mine
08:46
<slidesinger>
hu jammcq
08:46
<jammcq>
hey slidesinger
08:46
<warren>
jammcq, how long did it take to drive from Michigan?
08:46
<jammcq>
sbalneav: any word on that dinner on friday nite?
08:46
warren: well, i'm still in michigan
08:47
it's about 12 hrs tho
08:47
<jcastro>
took me ~11 hours
08:53
<warren>
what's the address of the hotel in Southwest Harbor?
08:54
<cliebow_>
warren: there isnt one..
08:54
<warren>
huh?
08:54
<cliebow_>
errr..Seawall Road i guess
08:54
<warren>
no address?
08:55
does the hotel have a website?
08:55
<jammcq>
http://www.seawallmotel.com/
08:55
yes, there's a street address
08:55
<cliebow_>
heh lemme look..or you can google for seawall motel
08:55
<jammcq>
chuck is just pulling your leg
08:55
<cliebow_>
8~)
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<cliebow_>
dtrask:know anything of intel macasr?
08:59
dtrask:know anything of intel mac asr?
09:00
<warren>
jammcq, you're seriously driving from BOS, arriving in Maine at like 3am?
09:00
<mhterres>
sbalneav: something like this ?
09:00
X_CONF = /etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf
09:00
<jammcq>
warren: no, stopping along the way
09:00
<mhterres>
sam problem... :-(
09:01
same
09:01
<jammcq>
oh
09:01
<cliebow_>
freeport is like three hours..
09:01
<jammcq>
from BOS to Freeport
09:01
2.5 hrs
09:01
we should be there around 12 or 12:30
09:01
<warren>
jammcq, so wont get to the motel until?
09:01
<jammcq>
spending friday night in freeport
09:01
<warren>
oh
09:01
<jammcq>
then, saturday morning going to SWHarbor
09:01
<sbalneav>
mhterres: well, you'll have to put the file in the chroot somewhere, say /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf
09:02
then ltsp-update-image
09:02
then in lts.conf X_CONF=/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf
09:02
<mhterres>
Yes, I did it :-(
09:03
I create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf
09:03
<sbalneav>
Well, SCREEN_07=shell, then try starting Xorg manually
09:03
see what errors you get.
09:03
<mhterres>
hmmm, great idea :-)
09:06
<warren>
hmm
09:07
<mhterres>
I can't go to shell, cause it is not responding the keyboard
09:07
but I can log in the client using ssh
09:07
from my note
09:07
<jammcq>
warren: I do have 1 seat available in my car, if you want to ride with us
09:07
<warren>
jammcq, how many people are in your Suburban from BOS -> ME and back?
09:07
hm
09:07
<jammcq>
with you.... 6
09:07
nice-n-comfortable that way
09:08
<sbalneav>
mhterres: What happens if you set the root password, and log in on the getty on tty1?
09:08
<jammcq>
and I think Jorge has some room, and Davidj is renting a car, he'll likely have room
09:08
<sbalneav>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
09:08
passwd
09:08
<mhterres>
I did this
09:08
<sbalneav>
<set pw>
09:08
exit
09:08
<mhterres>
but I can't access tty1 in the client
09:08
<sbalneav>
ltsp-update-image
09:08
<mhterres>
looks like the keyboard is not responding
09:08
<sbalneav>
You can't access tty1?
09:08
Wow
09:08
<mhterres>
yes
09:08
that is the problem
09:09
:-(
09:09
<warren>
So LTSP-5 in Fedora is beginning to shape up
09:09* jammcq wonders what he's set SCREEN_01 to
09:09
<warren>
which Edubuntu should I download to compare?
09:09
<jammcq>
warren: yes, that's what I've been hearing
09:09
<sbalneav>
mhterres: Please paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
09:09
!pastebot
09:09
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:09
<mhterres>
in the other thin client I can access tty1 without problems
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<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "My /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/337
09:10
<mhterres>
done
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09:11
<sakhi__>
ohi all
09:11
I have just installed Edubuntu 7.10 on 2 servers, the thin client boots on the one server but it does not boot on the second server. what could be wrong?
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09:11
<sakhi__>
they are both the same spec
09:13
ltsppbot: hi
09:16
<sbalneav>
sakhi__: What's your network laid out like?
09:16
Maybe you've got some double'd ip addresses?
09:17
mhterres: Well, that seems totally normal.
09:17
<mhterres>
yes
09:18
that is the most strange part :-)
09:18
<sbalneav>
You might want to try removing the "quiet splash" from the end of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.conf/default file.
09:18
Just in case it's the bootsplash stuff that's hanging things up.
09:18
I've seen that screw things up on some boxes.
09:18
<mhterres>
I did this yesterday with the old lts.conf
09:18
I'll try again now
09:22
no way Scott
09:22
<sbalneav>
Still locks up?
09:22
<mhterres>
after the X try to come up, some green dashed lines pop up in the monitor and nothing else works anymore
09:22
but I can log in the client via ssh
09:22
<sbalneav>
Ok, well, set up the SCREEN_07=shell thing
09:23
<mhterres>
ok
09:23
<sbalneav>
Then you should be able to log in via tty1
09:23
<mhterres>
ok
09:23
trying it
09:23
<sbalneav>
We'll try to start Xorg from there.
09:23
<mhterres>
ok
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09:26
<mhterres>
same thing
09:27
and now I discover something interesting
09:27
<sbalneav>
X still tried to start?
09:27
It shouldn't
09:27
<mhterres>
If I press CTRL+ALT+F1, the green dashed lines change
09:27
<sbalneav>
yeah
09:27
I've seen that with the amd driver
09:27
<Q-FUNK>
X insists upon restarting when killed
09:27
<mhterres>
If I presse CTRL+ALT+FXX they change again
09:27
<sbalneav>
but X shouldn't be starting now
09:27
<mhterres>
so, something is happening
09:28
I'll put this in the default section
09:28
let me sse
09:28
<sbalneav>
Where have you got the lts.conf file located?
09:28
<mhterres>
see
09:28
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:28
<Q-FUNK>
i see it on my ubuntu laptop: during shutdown, X repeatedly tries to restart, even after gdm has been cleanly told to terminate
09:29
<sbalneav>
sure, but it shouldn't even START with SCREEN_07=shell
09:30
there should be no X at all
09:30
<mhterres>
maybe a frame buffer problem ?
09:30
I'm testing it agina, using the 2 thin clients
09:30
<sbalneav>
But if you've removed the "quiet splash" from the pxe config, then THAT shouldn't be an issue either.
09:30
everything should be text
09:31
<mhterres>
oh yes, off course
09:31
yes, in the other client there is no X
09:31
this is not about X
09:32
I can't understand
09:33
<sbalneav>
Oh, so it's screwing up IN TEXT MODE?!?!
09:33
Yikes
09:33
<mhterres>
yes
09:33
I imagine that
09:34
<sbalneav>
Wow
09:34
<mhterres>
the problem is after starting the kernel log daemon
09:35
<sbalneav>
Hmm, maybe try different "vga=" parameters on the pxe config kernel command line.
09:35
<mhterres>
screen goes black and don't retunr
09:35
<sbalneav>
Oh, maybe also specify "noacpi"
09:35
<mhterres>
in default ?
09:35
<sbalneav>
yeah
09:35
How many terminals like this are there.
09:35
?
09:37
<mhterres>
In this moment just one, but It was working in 4.2
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, but Xorg's completely rewitten the X drivers
09:37
<mhterres>
yes, I know
09:37
I just said that to guarantee that the hardware is working
09:38
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img fb=false pci=noacpi vga=normal
09:38
l'm trying this right now
09:38
<sbalneav>
is it pci=noacpi, or just noacpi?
09:38
<mhterres>
same problem
09:38
:-(
09:38
pci=noacpi
09:38
<sbalneav>
So it's something that that box doesn't like about the 2.6 kernel then.
09:39
<mhterres>
maybe
09:39
<sbalneav>
Any chance of doing a BIOS upgrade?
09:39
<mhterres>
no
09:39
I'll report this problem to our client
09:39
I guess they will buy the other thin client anyway
09:40
<sbalneav>
You've gotten other clients working with LTSP5 though, right?
09:40
I'd file a bug against the kernel, maybe.
09:40
<mhterres>
but we will buy one of this thin clients for Propus, so we will test this again :-)
09:40
sbalneav: yes, other models is working fine
09:40
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK sent me a ThinCan, which uses a geode, but has a linux bios.
09:41
Other than the amd issue, which can be solved with the X_CONF= it works fine.
09:41
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: what you has uses linuxbios. this is why we need etherboot.
09:42
<sbalneav>
And I've spoken to one of the X developers here, the fellow listed in Bug #140051, and they're working on the amd issue.
09:42
<Q-FUNK>
bryce?
09:42
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: right, we switched over to the different mke2fs bit.
09:42
Q-FUNK: Yeah, nice guy
09:42
Glad I was able to meet him.
09:43
<Q-FUNK>
jordan at AMD also said he'd lok into it, since he notices that it bites every distro who switche dto the new X
09:43
<sbalneav>
Yeah, it's an upstream Xorg problem. It'll get sorted out. :)
09:48
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: so you already have the correct hardware: geode LX with LinuxBIOS
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<sakhi__>
kbye
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10:18
<sbalneav>
Back
10:19
<highvoltage>
Forward
10:19
<ogra>
Left
10:21
<sbalneav>
Let's do the tiiiime waaaarp agaaaaiiinnnnn....
10:22
<highvoltage>
hie hie
10:22
<sbalneav>
It's just a jump to the left...
10:22
<and then a step to the right>
10:22
<highvoltage>
no one came to restore balance to the force by adding a "right" :/
10:22
<sbalneav>
Put your hands on your hips!
10:22
<and pull your knees in tiiiiight>
10:22
<highvoltage>
lol
10:22
<sbalneav>
Sorry.
10:22
It's halloweeen
10:23
<jammcq>
BOO !
10:23
<sbalneav>
Booyeah!
10:23
<cliebow_>
EEEEk
10:23
<sbalneav>
jammcq: Snagged you a shirt
10:23
<jammcq>
sweet
10:23
how about some cds ?
10:23
<cliebow_>
me me me
10:23
<sbalneav>
Got some of those too.
10:24
Every time I walk by the pile, I grab some more :)
10:24
<jammcq>
keep it up
10:24
we've got homies that need them
10:24
<sbalneav>
Roger.
10:24
<jammcq>
any word on dinner?
10:24
<sbalneav>
No, none yet that I've been able to discern
10:24
I'll check later today.
10:25
<jammcq>
u da man
10:25
<jcastro>
jammcq: the shirts are awesome this year
10:25
<jammcq>
cool
10:25
<cliebow_>
i still have a bts 1 shirt..
10:26
<Q-FUNK>
when are they gonna have a UDS in europe?
10:26* jammcq is wearing his bts-1 shirt today
10:26
<jammcq>
Q-FUNK: they just had one, back in may
10:26
<Q-FUNK>
yup
10:26
when next?
10:26
<jammcq>
hmm, dunno
10:27
ogra: any talk about where the next one is?
10:27
<jcastro>
not yet
10:27
<ogra>
jammcq, not yet ...
10:27
scottie got you one of these small tents here :)
10:28
<jammcq>
yeah, that's what he said
10:28
can't wait to see it
10:29
<cliebow_>
jammcq;sounds like the tail end of tropical storm thgis weekend..
10:29
often rocks washed right ouyt into the road
10:30
<jammcq>
cliebow_: cool, just the kind of weather I love
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10:30
<cliebow_>
get that tent waterproofed 8~)
10:31
<ogra>
warren, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/gutsy/ (or just come over and grab a pressed CD ;) )
10:32
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: do you have the thincan with you?
10:32
<sbalneav>
No, I don't, unfortunately
10:32
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: ok. if Gadi is there, does he have his?
10:32
<warren>
ogra, I'll wait until I see you folks in person then.
10:32
<sbalneav>
Gadi's not here yet, so I don't know if he'll bring his or not.
10:33
<Q-FUNK>
can you phone him and ask, if you have his mobile?
10:33
the OLPC team is sending someoe over to UDS who might be able to work on the fix.
10:34moquist_ is now known as moquist
10:36
<Blinny>
Is it relatively easy to use 32-bit FF and associated plugins on a x86_64 gutsy-server installation?
10:36
<sbalneav>
I don't know gadi's number, maybe jammcq does?
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<Q-FUNK>
jammcq: would you hapen to have that?
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<sgtpepper>
Hello everyone
10:48
I'm having an issue with LOCAL_STORAGE
10:48
udev recognizes that a new cdrom has been inserted
10:48
but it does not mount it
10:48
I have the My_CDrom directory empty
10:48
I'm able to mount it manually
10:52
BTW, I'm using LTSP 4.2 on EL 5
10:55
<sbalneav>
!localdev
10:55
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
10:55
<sbalneav>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
10:55
Have a look at that link, there's a debugging link from there.
10:58
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: I've read that
11:02
<sbalneav>
Ok, so, what step is it failing at?
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<sgtpepper>
I seem to have a binary missing
11:07
/usr/bin/ltsp
11:07
thats what the lbus_event_handler reports
11:08
sorry
11:08
<ogra>
sbalneav, you are at the wrong table
11:09
<sgtpepper>
/usr/sbin/lstp
11:09
fs
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11:10
<ogra>
sbalneav, gobby -> livecd-unionfs-alternatives
11:13
<warren>
jammcq, if I ride with you, when will I get back to Boston?
11:15
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: The thing is.. It creates automatically the directories on /tmp/drives
11:16
but it does not mount anything on them
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<jamiejackso>
Does any one know if ldm supports auto login now with gutsy. I have been using a hack ldm with feisty but this does not work with gutsy. Can any think of a way to get clients to auto login Thanks
11:23
<warren>
Both lbuss and lubcd are no longer needed, right?
11:23
lbuscd
11:24
<ogra>
warren, right
11:24
<mhterres>
I'm back from lunch :-)
11:24
<sbalneav>
sgtpepper: Have you worked though the 13 step checklist?
11:25
<ogra>
jamiejackso, use LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
11:25
<sbalneav>
sgtpepper: it DOESNT mount anything on them
11:25
not until there's actual activity
11:25
it umounts after a second or so of inactivity.
11:25
<sgtpepper>
yes
11:25
Well, I try to access them
11:25
I've a /home/foo where I've mounted /tmp/drives
11:25
using ltspfs
11:26
when I try to access them
11:26
I get empty directories
11:26
sbalneav: ^^^^^^
11:26
<sbalneav>
sgtpepper: please work through the 12 step procedure
11:26
and post the results of each step
11:26
<sgtpepper>
ok
11:26
in pastebin better?
11:26
<sbalneav>
That's fine.
11:27
Each step will generate some output, capture the output, and collect it together.
11:27
<sgtpepper>
on step 5
11:27
I don't seem to have this file
11:27
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/lbus-start.sh
11:27
<ogra>
warren, we use the ssh tunel to communicate so there is no lbus needed anymore ... and eventually this is the way to go: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png
11:28
<jamiejackso>
ogra is that how it works now?
11:28
<sbalneav>
warren: correct, lbus isn't used anymore.
11:29
Then you haven't got the server side bits installed correctly.
11:29
<sgtpepper>
I installed everything
11:30
<ogra>
jamiejackso, the ssh tunnel is how it works now, but its still using some odd scripts we dont want and relies on gnomevfs for popping the devices on the desktop .... the next iteraton will create virtual hal devcies so hals mount mechanism can careand we dont need to duplicate funtionallity
11:30
<sbalneav>
sgtpepper: Which rpm did you install on the server
11:31
<ogra>
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices here is the spec we wrote for it
11:31
<sgtpepper>
ltsp-utils-0.25-4.fc6 sbalneav
11:32
<warren>
sgtpepper, what exactly are you using?
11:32
sgtpepper, K12LTSP?
11:32
<sgtpepper>
FC6
11:32
<sbalneav>
not ltsp-server-pkg from the wiki page? Last one up there is FC4
11:32
<sgtpepper>
no
11:33
<warren>
sgtpepper, highly recommend that you move to F8 and help us on our LTSP-5 integration
11:33
sgtpepper, we need testers
11:33
<sgtpepper>
warren: I'm already on that
11:33
on my laptop I'm using F8 and testing LTSP5
11:34
sbalneav: In FC6 you have binary called ltspadm that download and Installs all packages
11:35
(tgz)
11:35
from the ltsp server
11:35
<sbalneav>
Not the server ltspfs packages
11:35
And it hasn't been updated for about two years :)
11:35
<sgtpepper>
It gets them from here
11:35
PKG_SOURCE=http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/
11:35
I've LTSP 4.2 Update 3
11:35
<ogra>
(or seen security fixes)
11:36
<sbalneav>
I'll repeat
11:36
<warren>
nobody bothered to integrate it into fedora in all this time
11:36
<sbalneav>
it doesn't download the server side ltspfs package.
11:36
<sgtpepper>
ohh
11:36
ok
11:36
now I get it
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<sgtpepper>
Anyway, I've ltspfs Installed on the server
11:37
I think I used the fc4 rpm
11:39
<warren>
what is lbe? is it still needed?
11:39
<sbalneav>
No
11:39
It was the Ltsp Build Environment
11:39
<warren>
oh
11:39
<sbalneav>
to compile everything from source
11:39
Since we use distro packages, we don't need it.
11:40
All we care about now is the ltsp bits themselves, ltspfs, ldm, etc.
11:40
<mistik1>
are you guys back home now?
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<sbalneav>
No
11:41
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: The thing I still don't get is the following: I'm using the syslog on the server to get the logs from the clients. I'm getting logs like: udev: detected add of disk, or lbuscd: A new CDROM has been inserted
11:41
why when I try to access the dirs they don'r get mounted automatically
11:42
<sbalneav>
Have. You. Worked. Through. The. 12. Step. Proceedure?
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<sbalneav>
It tracks things from one end to the other.
11:42
<sgtpepper>
Yes, and I find I have some scripts and binaries missing
11:42
in the clients
11:42
<sbalneav>
I haven't seen the paste results yet.
11:43
<sgtpepper>
hold on
11:43
<sbalneav>
So I don't know what you've done, and what you haven't
11:43
I worked out the procedure so I wouldn't have to play 20 questions with everyone.
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<sbalneav>
Follow the procedure.
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<ogra>
warren, http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora/ should actually have all you need to build the initial chroot for the client
11:47
<warren>
ogra, we had something else long before he posted that
11:47
<ogra>
(as "replacemnt" of lbe :) )
11:47
warren, properly mergeable ?
11:48
<warren>
ogra, I'm fixing up what we have first and putting it into bzr before looking at merging
11:48
<ogra>
ok
11:48
we can look into that on the weekend, would be nice to have your tree merged in soon :)
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<warren>
I'm trying to decide if I will drive myself or ride
11:53
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: http://pastebin.com/m71418f7d
11:53
brb
11:54
<jamiejackso>
ogra: I used LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD and ldm just sit with a black screen with an x. Any ideas? Thanks
11:56
<sbalneav>
jamiejackso: Does it present a login screen if you don't set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD?
11:58
<jamiejackso>
sbalneav: yes so it appears that it is a vaild command and this should work.
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste a copy of your lts.conf to the pastebot?
12:01
!pastebot
12:01
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:03
<sbalneav>
sgtpepper: Yes, you don't have the server side bits installed.
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<sgtpepper>
damn
12:07
<sbalneav>
There's a link to them on the wiki page.
12:08
<frownix>
mistik1: you around?
12:09
<sgtpepper>
I have them installed now
12:10
sbalneav: I'll reboot the thin client and see what happens
12:11
<mistik1>
frownix: hey man
12:11
<frownix>
heya mistik1 , long time
12:11
<mistik1>
indeed
12:11
<frownix>
all well?
12:11
<mistik1>
I wont bother complaining as i'm still breathing
12:11
<frownix>
hehe, i hear you
12:11
same here
12:12
where are you at now?
12:12
<mistik1>
I'm in Jersey
12:12
<frownix>
permanent?
12:12
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: You definitely know this stuff
12:12
<sbalneav>
I'd better, since I wrote it.
12:12
<mistik1>
frownix: not sure what that means ;)
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<frownix>
mistik1: hehe, ok
12:13
<sgtpepper>
then you definitely know your stuff
12:13
lol
12:13
<frownix>
mabye we should take it private
12:13
<sgtpepper>
thank you very much
12:13
<sbalneav>
I'm assuming it works now?
12:13
<sgtpepper>
sbalneav: One last question
12:13
yes
12:13
<sbalneav>
Good.
12:13
<sgtpepper>
can I assign diff'rnt icons to diff'rt devices?
12:14
<sbalneav>
Not in ltsp4.2
12:14
In ltsp5, we're using the gnome-vfs bits, which handle that.
12:14
<sgtpepper>
well never mind
12:14
<sbalneav>
and once we get ltsp virtual hal devices, it'll be all handled by the os.
12:14
so icons galore.
12:14
<sgtpepper>
that will be awesome
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<jammcq>
mistik1: you back in NJ ?
12:23
<mistik1>
jammcq: yes
12:23
since august
12:23
<jammcq>
wow, cool
12:24
<mistik1>
yea, I really love my kid man
12:24
<cliebow_>
daughter??8~)
12:24
<mistik1>
So I sacrificed my integrity and came back to help her grow
12:25
<cliebow_>
yay!!!
12:25
<mistik1>
cliebow_: yep
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<ICC>
I need help with printing in LTSP Kiosk Mode
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<ICC>
Kiosk Mode runs fine. It's on Edubuntu 7.04. Before switching to Kiosk Mode, clients could see pritners. Now they do not.
12:30
<sgonzalez>
sbalneav... Hi! Hope you're enjoying the summit. I'm working on creating an NFS server for my home folders like we discussed. The best I can do right now is SATA set up RAID1. What do you think? Will it be better than SCSI RAID5 on the LTSP server? The SATA drive server won't do any application serving... just NFS.
12:31
<sbalneav>
RAID1 will be fine.
12:31
<sgonzalez>
gracias :)
12:31
<sbalneav>
De nada
12:32
<mhterres>
sbalneav: did you learn to sing the cachaça song ??? :-)
12:32
I see you are speaking portuguese :-)
12:32
<sbalneav>
Ah, thought that was spanish :)
12:32
Yeah, I've done some memorizing of the song.
12:32
:)
12:33
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
"de nada" is portuguese
12:33
<sbalneav>
mhterres: By the way, do you have a link to a product page as to which thin client that was you were having problems with?
12:33
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
"gracias" is spanish
12:33
:P
12:34
in portuguese 'gracias' is 'obrigado'
12:34
<sbalneav>
Right, but what's "your welcome" in spanish
12:34
Obrigada if it's a women
12:34
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav, yeah
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<mhterres>
sbalneav: let me see
12:36
sbalneav: http://www.schalter.com.br/thin_page.htm
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<sbalneav>
Any chance they'd be willing to send a couple of free ones to LTSP devels?
12:37
<mhterres>
sbalneav: but you will not find much information
12:37
sbalneav: maybe. My brother-in-law works in the industry that made this thin client in OEM
12:37
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK sent us some of the thin can ones, which helped us to help him a lot, since we HAD the box there to test. I fixed some sound and other boot problems.
12:38
<mhterres>
Schalter is just one of the sellers. Another one is iClient
12:38
I'll talk to him ASAP
12:38
<sbalneav>
If they could send us a couple, we could be testing them, and filing bugs during the hardy devel cycle.
12:38
<mhterres>
but now he's in Manaus and will return in about 10 days
12:38
ok, I'll talk to him
12:38
<sbalneav>
See if he's willing.
12:38
It's a cheap way for them to make sure they have support from us :)
12:38
<mhterres>
and maybe you can "certificate" the thin client for them
12:38
<sbalneav>
Sure
12:39
<mhterres>
great
12:39
<sgonzalez>
kaminski-ltsp-br: according to http://www.canuckabroad.com/language/spanish.shtml it is "de nada" and hey, sbalneav is Canadian :)
12:39
<sbalneav>
kaminski-ltsp-br knows, he's met me :)
12:40
<sgonzalez>
heh
12:40
<sbalneav>
I'm one of them "world traveller" Canucks you keep hearing about :)
12:40
argh
12:40
silly sabayon
12:43
<Q-FUNK>
heh
12:47
<mhterres>
sbalneav: I logged in the embeded linux installation of the thin client
12:47
and kernel is 2.6.11
12:49
<sbalneav>
Hm
12:50
So, could be a kernel problem with the 2.6.20 series.
12:50
<mhterres>
maybe
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<sonjag>
sbalneav: if I'm building an NFS server, can I just install Edubuntu for the OS? I have Ubuntu 6.10 if that's better. I would like to have a GUI. Not quite ready for complete CLI (altho I'm doing much better :)
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sgonzalez, lol
13:02
sgonzalez, I know sbalneav from FISL here in Brazil
13:03
<sbalneav>
sonjag: yeah, edubuntu will be fine.
13:03
You'll just need to install the package nfs-kernel-server
13:06
<ICC>
sorry, I was out testing some things for a minute
13:10
hi again. I am looking for help figuring out how to make printers available in the LTSP 5 (edubuntu) running in Kiosk Mode
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13:16
<cliebow_>
Gadi!!!
13:16
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Hey, Q-Funk was wondering if you could bring your thincan when you come.
13:17
<Gadi>
hey, all
13:18
hmm...
13:18
<mistik1>
hey Gadi
13:18
<Gadi>
I would need to swing by the office, but I sppose it can be arranged
13:18
he didnt bring his?
13:18
mistik1: howdy
13:21
ill bring a whole bunch of thin clients in the same family
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<Gadi>
anything else you guys need?
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<sbalneav>
Love.
13:45
It's all we need.
13:45
<Gadi>
we got plenty of that where Im comin from
13:46
<sbalneav>
Oh, and spinach Knishs
13:46
Love, and spinach knishs
13:46
<Gadi>
heh
13:47
I would've pegged you for a sweet potatoe knish man, myself
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<Gadi>
er, potato
13:47
hehe
13:47
Im like bush
13:47
or was that quayle
13:47
lol
13:47
<sbalneav>
Yeah
13:47
I think so.
13:48
Hang around for a bit, we're about to head down to the Brooks room for the ltsp-localapps session
13:48
You can voip in, and listen
13:49
<Gadi>
*sigh* setting up voip...
13:49
hmm
13:49
can I gobby in?
13:49
are you using that this year?
13:50
<sbalneav>
Yes
13:52
I'll head down to brooks now, get set up.
13:52
<Gadi>
im in on gobby
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<vagrantc>
hmmmm
13:55
<sbalneav>
walking
13:55
typing\
13:59
ok
13:59
We're not in the room yet, but
13:59
ltsp-localapps is the doc
13:59
and I've loaded the wiki page into it.
13:59
<Gadi>
got it
14:00
sbalneav: do you have your proof of concept there?
14:00
<sbalneav>
parts of it
14:00
the xrexecd
14:00
we can get it running in bar harbour
14:01* vagrantc searches for the voip stuff
14:01
<sbalneav>
vagrantc, or gobby
14:01
<cliebow_>
bar harbor???
14:01
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: or both?
14:01
<sbalneav>
isnt that the name of where you are?
14:01
<Gadi>
sw harbor
14:02
<cliebow_>
sbalneav: We am Backsiders...Tremont and Southwest Harbor
14:02* Gadi thinks they're like rival gangs up there
14:02
<Gadi>
like Bloods and Crypts
14:02
<mhterres>
I'll return later
14:02
bye
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14:02
<cliebow_>
they are in a way...turf and all
14:03
<moquist>
sbalneav: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#AEN342
14:03
sbalneav: check section 5.1
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<sbalneav>
vagrant, you there?
14:08
<vagrantc>
yeah
14:10
sbalneav: i mean, i'm on irc
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: what's y'alls gobby session called?
14:18
i'm connected, but there's a gazillabillion to look through
14:18
<Gadi>
ltsp-localapps
14:18
<vagrantc>
all i see is the subscribe window ...
14:19
ah, found it
14:24
<sbalneav>
xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
14:24
xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
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<moquist>
15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
14:25
15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
14:26
stgraber: ^^^^^^ :)
14:26
<stgraber>
thx
14:29* Gadi has to go pick up the kids - bbiab
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<vagrantc>
wow. ekiga crashed X.org
14:32
<sbalneav>
Gadi, vagrantc, looks good?
14:32
Understandable?
14:32
Questions?
14:33
<vagrantc>
i gotta re-connect to gobby ... X crashed on me
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<vagrantc>
actually, maybe it was gobby that crashed X
14:35
since it happened again
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: looks good to me
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<sbalneav>
Is everybody happy
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<vagrantc>
good enough for me
14:53
<sbalneav>
ok
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15:20
<jammcq>
hey kidz
15:20
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
15:20
<jammcq>
how's it goin, eh?
15:22
<sbalneav>
Goin
15:27
<Gadi>
sbalneav: back birefly -> looks good to me, too - I really like this approach
15:27
<jammcq>
hey look, it's Gadi
15:27
<Gadi>
hey, jammcq
15:27
<jammcq>
"birefly" ? hmm
15:28
<Gadi>
heh - briefly
15:28
<jammcq>
I've heard of Barfly
15:28
you in Boston?
15:28
<Gadi>
engineers - so analytical
15:28
not yet
15:28
2moro
15:28
<jammcq>
can't help myself
15:28
<Gadi>
u?
15:28
<jammcq>
Waterford
15:28
<Gadi>
im sorry
15:28
;)
15:28
<jammcq>
sitting at Diskless Workstations.com World Headquarters
15:28
watching the planes flying in and out
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<Gadi>
lots of blinking lights
15:29
u going to Boston or straight to maine?
15:29
<jammcq>
BOS
15:29
gotta pick up a bunch of folks
15:29
<Gadi>
when?
15:30
<jammcq>
leaving tomorrow afternoon
15:30
<Gadi>
catching the end of UDS?
15:30
<jammcq>
stop over in Rochester NY, then on to Boston on friday
15:30
<Gadi>
ah
15:30
<jammcq>
heh, I'll be lucky to get there in time for the group photo :)
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<Gadi>
this compiz stuff is fun
15:33* Gadi is sweet on the eye candy
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<Gadi>
even on my P3-1GHz
15:34
which is really 700MHz or some such
15:34
thank you, intel
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<Gadi>
bbiab
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<vagrantc>
gobby is way too noisy to be useful remotely
15:37
if i'm not looking at it while someone makes an edit, it pops up some little reminder that changes are happening, but when i go to look i have no idea what actually changed
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<sbalneav>
Eastern?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: michigan is eastern
16:33
so probably
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<sbalneav>
ok, I'll get ekiga set up
16:36
Hmm, they don't have any voip info
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<Q-FUNK>
ekiga is nice
16:38
darn... seems I just missed francis
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<cliebow>
Heck...left the charger at school....
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<PMantis>
Hey guys
19:40
kudos to sbalneav
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<jammcq>
well?
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<jim__>
Hello everyone,
20:33
I'm trying to run an opengl program, xmoto, on a K12ltsp centos 5 release and can't get the glx to go...
20:34
blender works though...
20:35
I'm ready to move my home system to ltsp-5 on debian or ubuntu if I can get this system working!!
20:35
Is it possible?? ;-)
20:37
Maybe I should have said my client is an hp5515 ati rage
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20:51* PMantis is looking at dedicated thin clients... does the "LTSP Term 1220 PXE" suport local sound with LTSP 4.2 and/or 5.0 with Ubuntu?
20:51
<jammcq>
PMantis: yeah, should work with both
20:52
<PMantis>
Why is sound on the LTSP Term 1000 harder?
20:52
<jammcq>
cuz it uses the sis7019 chipset
20:53
the driver isn't completely opensource
20:53
<PMantis>
bastards
20:53
It's *almost* the perfect thin client. :)
20:53
<jammcq>
well, the driver is available, but there's no license information in the code, so it can't be distributed with distro kernels
20:54
<jim__>
Hi jim m. I've never tried to run a glx program like xmoto or flightgear on a client. Is it possible?
20:54
<PMantis>
But, like "restricted" Ubuntu packages, I assume it could be compiled in later with more effort.
20:54
<jammcq>
jim__: it should be, but i'm not a glx guy
20:55
<PMantis>
That's *really* slick to mount the thin client with the monitor.
20:55
<jim__>
me either! tux racer can work out of the box... but not on my systems!!
20:56
I've seen tux racer run using mesa no prob but with the module glx loaded in lts.conf for us it doesn't go... oh well
20:57
I run ltsp for my computer club at school and my students would love to have some of these glx programs to work!!!
21:08
Well!! Take care Jim M. Bye
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<mwright1>
Hello anybody about who can answer a question about Xen Ubuntu LTSP -- I'd like to get sound working on my desktops by migrating from Fedora 7 to Ubuntu gutsy
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<stgraber>
moquist: ping
23:40
moquist: I just come back from Scott's room, we made firefox and flash to run locally with sound working just fine :)
23:41
<moquist>
stgraber: cool!
23:42* moquist is hanging out on floor 3...where the wireless works for him
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<stgraber>
can't you use the wired network in your room ?
23:42
<moquist>
haven't tried that; probably should ;)
23:43
I wonder if I would have the same problem.
23:43
<stgraber>
just plug the ethernet, go to the hotel page and enable internet (as with the hotel wifi)
23:43
<moquist>
I can connect with the w/l just fine, and I can ping my gateway. But my browser doesn't go to the sign-in page, so I can't get my system recognized by their gateway so I can get out to the 'Net.
23:44
stgraber: exactly. That's the step that's not working for me.
23:44
I've tried both FF and Safari, no luck. meh.
23:44
it'll be interesting to see if the wire works.
23:45
<vagrantc>
jammcq: hey, i'll be (sort of) in your neck of the woods late november/early december
23:46
<moquist>
vagrantc: out of curiosity, in the neck of whose woods are you now?
23:47
<vagrantc>
cascadia
23:47
<moquist>
bah. "moodle has no source override entry / moodle has no binary override entry either"
23:47* moquist works on grokking apt-ftparchive
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<moquist>
vagrantc: WA?
23:48
<vagrantc>
moquist: just south of thereabouts
23:49* moquist nods
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<moquist>
I was in WA once.
23:49
That was 20 years ago.
23:49* moquist feels old because he can say that
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<stgraber>
:)
23:50
<moquist>
stgraber: I was thinking of you when I made that last comment. ;-)
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<stgraber>
hehe :)
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