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Channel log from 2 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<maginot>
good morning.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
07:19
<maginot>
what is spected to happen when setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEM = firefox ?
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<gate_keeper_>
hey guys
07:59
do u have any idea what can cause this:
07:59
http://pastebin.com/d1f921fb6
08:00
thx in advance
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08:07
<stgraber>
CAN-o-SPAM: Just updated my blog post, Diskless workstation is a bit more visible now
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<jammcq>
bom dia #ltsp
08:17
<stgraber>
heya jammcq
08:18
jammcq: btw, I was wondering, do we have something planned for the next hackfest ? we discussed that a bit last time but I don't think we've something really organized at this point.
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<maginot>
okay, I have some results here to discuss about ltsp-localapps.
08:38
on 7.10 the user home folder were mounted using nfs ?
08:48
<jammcq>
stgraber: the next planned event is in Brazil, in June. not much real planning has happend tho
08:48
and there will be another BTS in Main, prolly late october
08:49
and, I'm open to new ideas
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<maginot>
well, correct if Im wrong. On 8.10 its using sshfs (for what I notice) to mount the user home folder on client. But if you pkill the user from server and the user has any localapps running (like firefox) I think that the client connection with sshfs is disconnect in some wrong way that if the user reconnects (login again right after a pkill without reboot) no home dir is mounted on the client from server, this is way firefox is started reseted
08:50
<cyberorg>
jammcq, put up a ideas wiki page, we can all start adding to it :)
08:52
<maginot>
s/way/why/g
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<maginot>
so ... the client need to know that the server send a pkill and closed the connection with him, so it could again remount the home folder of the user
09:06
Gadi, did you remember the issue I was having printing from client using localapps?
09:06
<yggdrasill_>
hello
09:07
<stgraber>
jammcq: ok, when are we going to know more about the one in Brazil ? I'll be away during all of May so would have to discuss that with my boss soon :)
09:07
<Gadi>
maginot: I strongly encourage you to add stgraber's ppa into the chroot and update your ltsp
09:08
I think we added better cleanup code for localapps since intrepid's release
09:08
<maginot>
Gadi, no, thats the thing I was going to ask you... did you upgrade anything for ltsp-buildclient ?
09:08
because Im not having that problem again
09:08
the print from localapp worked out of the box
09:08
<Gadi>
are you using stgraber's ppa?
09:08
<maginot>
no no
09:09
<Gadi>
maybe stgraber pushed an updated ltsp to the repositories?
09:09
<maginot>
yeah, maybe...
09:09
I know that the printing problem is no more present
09:09
<Gadi>
great!
09:09
<maginot>
yeah
09:09
but
09:09
<Gadi>
but, we resolved that one with cups-bsd
09:10
so, maybe there was simply a dependency change
09:10
<maginot>
yeah
09:10
<ltsppbot>
"yggdrasill" pasted "Futro Xorg.conf" (64 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/294
09:10
<Gadi>
or a bug fix in cups
09:10
<maginot>
I wrote above something about localapps and pkill, now I see that is not just a pkill problem
09:11
if you disconnect in the client but some localapp is open if you login again its not possible to mount the home folder in the client
09:13
<yggdrasill_>
gadi, I modified my lts.conf as u suggested but the Futro still uses the LVTS
09:13
<Gadi>
maginot: again, try upgrading the chroot's ltsp packages from stgraber's ppa and then update the image
09:13
<yggdrasill_>
and the card sees the output as a laptop...
09:13
<Gadi>
yggdrasill_: where did you save this file?
09:13
<maginot>
Gadi, okay... I dont know for sure how to do that, its something that you can easily explain to me?
09:14
<Gadi>
!stgraber-ppa
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<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
09:14
<Gadi>
go there
09:14
choose intrepid
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edit your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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to include the deb lines
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<maginot>
ah, okay
09:14
<yggdrasill_>
in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<maginot>
simple
09:14
<Gadi>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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<Gadi>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False apt-get upgrade
09:15
<maginot>
Gadi, on 8.10 how the client mount the home folder from server ? in 7.10 it was using nfs right ?
09:15
<Gadi>
in 7.10 it didnt
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at all
09:15
that is only needed with local apps
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and local apps didnt exist
09:16
<maginot>
Hmm so is now (in 8.10) that it uses nfs ?
09:16
<Gadi>
with 8.10 it is sshfs
09:16
<maginot>
Hmm
09:16
<Gadi>
no nfs anywhere in ubuntu ltsp
09:16
<maginot>
how can I see all the connection ?
09:16
<Gadi>
log into a shell on the client
09:16
and cat /proc/mounts
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<maginot>
Gadi, is this the same as running mount command alone?
09:17
<Gadi>
mount will look in mtab
09:17
so, it will give you post-initramfs mounts only
09:17
/proc/mounts gives everything
09:18
depends how much of the gory details you want
09:18
:)
09:18
<maginot>
ah right... so if I see something that is not present anymore but is still in /proc/mounts how I force a reload?
09:18
<Gadi>
if it is sshfs, you use fusermount -uvz /path
09:18
(I think)
09:18
:)
09:18
<maginot>
but this is for mounting things right
09:18
Im talking about forcing to see if the connection is still up
09:18
<Gadi>
fusermount is to mount and unmount
09:18
the -u is for unmount
09:19
<maginot>
understood
09:19
is this happening when the user disconnects ?
09:19
<Gadi>
yes, but the cleanup was buggy at one point
09:19
we fixed it upstream
09:19
<maginot>
hmmmm
09:20
<Gadi>
but not sure it was fixed in intrepid's package
09:20
<maginot>
ppa?
09:20
<Gadi>
stgraber's ppa uses latest
09:20
<maginot>
so must be fixed
09:20
<Gadi>
!stgraber-ppa
09:20
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
09:20
<Gadi>
just use his ppa package
09:20
and it will magically work
09:20
<maginot>
yeah, I will do it now
09:20
<cyberorg>
fusermount -uzq /path
09:20
<Gadi>
:)
09:20
cyberorg: ah, thx
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<maginot>
I just was wanting to understand how things work
09:21
<Gadi>
getting old and precaffeinateed
09:21
yeah, the cleanup of the mount was not being executed
09:21
so, we moved it to the init phase
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so when ldm reinits, it should clean it up
09:22
you can never count on a clean log out
09:22
:)
09:22
<maginot>
and thats why the client is only backing to work like it should only after a full reboot
09:22
<Gadi>
especially with people pkilling things
09:22
:P
09:22
<maginot>
haha
09:22
<Gadi>
yeah
09:22
<maginot>
but you see, is not just pkill, disconnect is problematic too
09:22
<Gadi>
right
09:22
<CAN-o-SPAM>
stgrabber: all ok?
09:22
<Gadi>
I don't even know why we bother having code that executes on a clean log out
09:22
:P
09:22
<maginot>
well, I will update from ppa to see if all get fixed
09:23
<CAN-o-SPAM>
stgraber: ping
09:23
<maginot>
Gadi, maybe if a user disconnects to give room for another is interesting a clean logout
09:23* Gadi reflects on how CAN-o-SPAM makes that mistake very day
09:23
<Gadi>
:)
09:24* CAN-o-SPAM notes he's installing typing master as we speak
09:24
<Gadi>
yggdrasill_: if you want to post your lts.conf we can heckle - I mean help
09:25
<stgraber>
CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: ping
09:35
<maginot>
Gadi, after upgrading from ppa (it only updated ldm ltsp-client-core and ltspfsd there is no need of doing ltsp-build-clients ?
09:36
<Gadi>
right
09:36
just ltsp-update-image
09:36
<maginot>
ok
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<maginot>
well, the disconnect problem is fixed. But the pkill is still troublesome, if a localapps if open a pkill will kill everything but the client dont go to the login screen (the application, firefox stays open with no windows border and stuff - they were killed) just a ctrl+backspace will ensure the user get back to the login screen... but the client will have to be rebooted after pkill
09:47
<Gadi>
hmm...
09:48
we should probably maintain a PID list on the client of processes executed via local apps and kill them all off when we clean up
09:48
good point
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<maginot>
I think that when the login screen shows up it should of someway remake any connection to sshfs (maybe closing any "open" connection)
09:49
<Gadi>
no
09:49
we have to kill the processes
09:49
they have locks on the files
09:49
so the filesystem cannot be unmounted
09:49
<maginot>
yeah, because firefox is using the home folder, so it cant be umounted
09:49
I think this is why this is happening
09:50
disconnect may be first killing all process to after that disconnect the client and so nothing is using the home folder
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ltsp-localappsd" (75 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/295
10:03
"Gadi" pasted "Replace with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/X99-zlocalapps-cleanup" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/296
10:03
<Gadi>
maginot: you can try replacing those two files
10:03
and see if it helps
10:05
<alkisg>
I'm on a lenny machine, trying `aptitude install ltsp-server` for the first time on a debian system. Why does it want to install nbd-server AND nfs-kernel-server? Shouldn't nfs be enough?
10:06
(I've never used nfs, so I'm probably just missing some packages to meet the dependencies...)
10:07
<Gadi>
alkisg: try: apt-get install --no-install-recommends ltsp-server
10:07
see if that gives the same result
10:09
<alkisg>
Hmmm no, but it won't install nfs-kernel-server now either...
10:11
I'll try installing nfs-kernel-server first
10:14
Bah, the same. Anyway, nbd didn't harm anyone afaik :)
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<yggdrasill_>
sorry gadi: Urgent crash made me go away ...
10:40
tomorrow I will past the lts.conf so you could help me and I really appreciate your help
10:40
<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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<NeonLicht>
I am so happy today. This morning I've got three thin terminals (1GHz, 1GB RAM) with no mobile parts at all. We've replaced the PCs here in the office area by those little boxes. No noise, almost no heat (both of them just there, at the servers room), just silent and quite... what a great feeling.
11:19
<maginot>
Gadi, when you say to replace you're saying to create, dont you ?
11:19
<Gadi>
maginot
11:19
no
11:19
replace
11:19
<maginot>
but I dont have those
11:19
<Gadi>
neither?
11:19
<maginot>
no
11:20
you are doing this for jaunty ?
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<Gadi>
ah, sorry
11:20
this should be: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X99-zlocalapps-cleanup
11:20
and
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<maginot>
here is 8.10, intrepid ...
11:20
ok
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<Gadi>
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
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<maginot>
those I think I have
11:21
let me see
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11:44* Lns is glad SOMEONE finally spoke up about the floppy mounting youtube session issues
11:44
<CAN-o-SPAM>
amen
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: any developments on your project?
11:45
<sabrex15>
Hello, I'm looking for some help with Edubuntu/LTSP 8.10
11:46
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: well i'm working on the RFP template right now, it's gonna be hard to pitch it since prices change so often though
11:46
!question
11:46
<ltspbot`>
Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
11:46
<Lns>
sabrex15: ^^^
11:47
CAN-o-SPAM: I appreciate your e-mail it helps a lot..just getting together all the other required hardware that they might need
11:47
<sabrex15>
I have successfully installed and setup 8.10 with two NICs, but when I try to load more than one instance the server hangs and becomes unresponsive.
11:47
The server has 2gb RAM/160gb hd/GB Ethernet
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<Lns>
sabrex15: define instance
11:49
<sabrex15>
I am testing out the server with 6 clients, when I try and boot more than one client the server hangs.
11:50
<Lns>
sabrex15: are you running remote syslog?
11:50
<sabrex15>
no im not
11:50
<Lns>
sabrex15: how does the client perform?
11:51
<sabrex15>
It begins to load the desktop after logging in, and sometimes it will finish, but most of the time it stalls after a few minutes.
11:52
<cyberorg>
Lns, i am glad you feel the same about floppies :)
11:53
<Lns>
cyberorg: ;)
11:53
sabrex15: have you examined server/client logs?
11:53
there has to be a clue in there somewhere
11:53
<sabrex15>
Ive looked through syslog on the server, and I dont see anything that jumps out at me
11:54
<maginot>
Gadi, I think you broke ltsp-localapps isn't opening anything
11:54
<Gadi>
oops
11:54
1 sec
11:54
<Lns>
sabrex15: how bout on the client? The server doesn't experience this at all before you start booting clients?
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<sabrex15>
It does after the server has sent out an image.
11:55
i.e. running any command from a terminal takes quite some time.
11:56
<Lns>
sabrex15: the only time i've seen this is when people enable remote syslog...
11:56
<sabrex15>
Is there a check to see whether it is on?
11:56
<Lns>
possibly a dns issue on your network?
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<sabrex15>
I haven't explicitly enabled it.
11:56
I'm just using IP addresses
11:57
I have the server/clients isolated from the real network (theyre on their own switch)
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<Lns>
sabrex15: on the server check out /etc/default/syslogd
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<sabrex15>
SYSLOGD=""
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<Lns>
sabrex15: on the clients can you get to google, etc?
11:57
sabrex15: ok
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<sabrex15>
I can, but only with one client
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<Lns>
i've also seen funky things happen in the past when routes aren't set up correctly, client/server can't get to dns, etc
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<sabrex15>
It occurs event when I disable the 2nd NIC, and only use the NIC connected to the switch
11:59
event = even
11:59
<Lns>
sabrex15: does your lts.conf have a SERVER= or SYSLOG_SERVER= stanza?
11:59
<sabrex15>
lts.conf is empty
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<cyberorg>
sabrex15, something really wrong with hardware is usually cause of hard lock, bad memory most of the time
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<Lns>
k
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<sabrex15>
okay, I can try changing the RAM out
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<Lns>
sabrex15: what is your dhcp dns server assignments to clients?
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<sabrex15>
There is not dhcp dns assignment to the clients... should there be in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
12:01
<Lns>
sabrex15: how do your clients get dns if it's not in there?
12:01
<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: sounds good keep me posted, we'll make sure you get the deal :)
12:01
<sabrex15>
via the dhcp server
12:01
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: =) thanks, you guys seem to be the best deal for TCs around, including HP!
12:02
sabrex15: separate dhcp server?
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<sabrex15>
Well.. there is a separate DHCP server on the network, but it is for the external NIC. Am I not thinking about that correctly?
12:03
eth0 is set for 192.168.0 network, server ip is 192.168.0.254, and there are 30 spots for clients available.
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<Lns>
sabrex15: well my question was, "what is your dhcp dns server assignments to clients?"
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<sabrex15>
eth1 is set for dhcp to get to the internet
12:03
Im not sure, would that be in the dhcpd.conf?
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<Lns>
yes.
12:04* Lns thinks you might not have set up /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correctly
12:05
<Lns>
rauurgh!! I hate it when i remotely reboot a server and it doesn't come back up :(
12:05
<sabrex15>
should the dns point to the ltsp server, or the real DNS server?
12:05
<Lns>
sabrex15: probably your "real" dns server
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<sabrex15>
okay, shouldn't this work even without external internet though?
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<ogra>
Lns, thats not reachable from the clients and will slow them down
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<ogra>
only if you sset up remote syslogging (which you have to do manually by editing configs) you can run into probs
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<Gadi>
er, how would that affect booting?
12:10
<ogra>
he said his server gets unusably slow
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<Gadi>
oh
12:11* Gadi puts money on his two interfaces having the same subnet
12:11
<ogra>
if it has an nvidia card with bad driver in teh server that might cause such things for example
12:11
<sabrex15>
Yes, and when that happens DHCP quits sending out IPs as well... just kind of stops working alltogether
12:13
<ogra>
so check your server HW, check for things like trackerd and since Gadi is very often right also check your network setup ;)
12:14
<sabrex15>
k, thanks for the great help. I really appreciate it
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<Gadi>
wow! didnt see that coming from ogra ;)
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<ogra>
haha
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<maginot>
Gadi, if using localapps pkill is something you can't do, but ctrl+backspace is enought, if you relogin your folder seens to be mounted alright
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<NeonLicht>
hey, vagrantc, today I've received some thin clients with which I've replaced some PCs acting as LTSP clients before. Since they are a bit more powerful than the PCs, I've been playing around with localapps. I've successfully run Iceweasel, Opera, xterm, gqview, and Xfe. Sound and auto-mounting USB sticks work great too, as does raw access to the sticks (which was my main reason to wanting locallapps in the first place).
13:26
<vagrantc>
NeonLicht: great :)
13:27
<CAN-o-SPAM>
vagrantc: i downloaded lessdisks and my thin clients won't boot! Please help!
13:28
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: well, let's not confuse lessdisks with Lessdisks Terminal Server Project
13:30
<CAN-o-SPAM>
vagrantc: thats what i'm using! i figured puppy linux was good so i installed it on there
13:31
i'm supposed to use a FTP server to boot the thin clients right?
13:31
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: no, it boots via GPG
13:31
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, i hope you paid your fee
13:32
<CAN-o-SPAM>
fee...? great am i going to get sued now?
13:32
<ogra>
canonical decided to just trade the patent for "forwarding graphical content through encrypted connections" with Lessdisks Terminal Server Project to be allowed to use the trademark :)
13:33
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: maybe just hand over ltsp.org and we'll call it even.
13:36* CAN-o-SPAM scratches his head
13:37
<Lns>
wow I didn't know gpg had network boot functionality
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<vagrantc>
well, if you really want it secure, you do gpg+https
13:38
<Lns>
maybe i can port it to my c=64
13:38
vagrantc: hmm, that's a good idea. i think there's a howto somewhere for that
13:38
<ogra>
you can base of my ZX81 port :)
13:39
*off
13:39
youtube is a but choppy on it at time though
13:39
<vagrantc>
Lns: debian dropped support for m68k as all the developers decided to move to c64
13:39
<ogra>
*times
13:39
<Lns>
now if my double dragon arcade game only had an ethernet option for the jamma port...it uses z80 as well
13:40
vagrantc: good move imho. the c64 *does* have 64k ram...and if you can get ltsp inside of that, you can get it inside of anything.
13:41
<CAN-o-SPAM>
vagrantc: how long did the lessdisks project last?
13:41
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: 2001 - 2005
13:41
<cliebow_>
ltsp in 64k?
13:41
<vagrantc>
and then limped along in debian's sarge release for all too long.
13:41* Lns LOLs
13:42
<Lns>
you know what would be funny as hell is to actually GET c64 going via http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
vagrantc/ogra: either of you making it to brazil in june?
13:45
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: i wish
13:45
haven't been there since 2004
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13:45* ogra would love to but its unlikely
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13:46* CAN-o-SPAM thinks a summer hackfest is in order
13:48
<nicros>
Defcon?
13:49
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: i could probably get a few days at freegeek again
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
defcon :)
13:50
<vagrantc>
more "hacking on code" than "hacking into systems"
13:50
<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
13:51
you know this hackfest talk comes up once and awhile on here regarding different times ... but it usually doesn't materialize
13:51* nicros went to defcon in his younger years.
13:51
<vagrantc>
i think warren also wanted to try hosting an event in boston
13:51
<CAN-o-SPAM>
maybe we should a) send out an ltsp-discuss mail and get the discussion going or b) put something on the wiki or c) a+b=c
13:51* vagrantc made one materialize
13:51
<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: there's been plenty of times that hackfest talk does result in a real event
13:51
<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: ah, wider than just the developers
13:52
<jammcq>
it's just much harder for people to travel these days
13:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: dow's up at 8000 ... maybe it will start improving :)
13:52
<ogra>
time is the issue on my side
13:52* CAN-o-SPAM hopes
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<nicros>
i can host in SLC
13:52
<jammcq>
SLC ?
13:53
<nicros>
Salt Lake City, Utah
13:53
<jammcq>
ah. never been there, but would enjoy going some time
13:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
same here
13:55
well, we could start the discussion & keep it going on a mailing list ... ltsp-discuss or ltsp-developer more appropriate?
13:56
<vagrantc>
depends on if we want to contact existing developers, or cast the net wider
13:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
and vagrantc's opinion would be ...
13:59
<vagrantc>
not sure, really.
14:00
<cliebow_>
thta would be like mid January right nicros?
14:01
<nicros>
really good if you like the cold.
14:01
<cliebow_>
i was trying to get away from it 8~)
14:02
how about Jamaica??
14:02
<nicros>
It's April and i have 12" in my driveway.
14:02
<cliebow_>
hmmm..not so hot then
14:02
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nicros: how's the lobster? (this is important)
14:02
<cliebow_>
heh
14:02
<nicros>
terrible
14:02
<cliebow_>
igiuana?
14:04
nicros:can you put on a churrascaria?
14:04
got meat?
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<nicros>
we've got Tucanos http://www.tucanos.com
14:05
i'm sure they'll cater.
14:07
<cliebow_>
hmm..that looks promising..
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
if someone could check their ltsp-developer mailing list to see if my e-mail went through, that would be appreciated.
14:24
i dont see it ... not sure why?
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<alkisg>
CAN-o-SPAM: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-developer
14:30
I'm in the list, didn't see anything, maybe you sent from a non-registered email address?
14:30
<CAN-o-SPAM>
wow, just went through
14:30
that took a bit.
14:31
<alkisg>
Ah, right, *just* went through :)
14:33
<CAN-o-SPAM>
its on the sourceforge site at 19:29, i sent at about 19:24, and its still not in my mail client
14:34
pipes must be clogged
14:34* CAN-o-SPAM grabs the draino
14:35
<alkisg>
That did it, got it in my evolution ;)
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14:54
<maginot>
ogra, you know, I always thought you were bald ;P
14:55
<ogra>
heh
14:56
<cliebow_>
heh..that was me
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<maginot>
haha
14:57
<Gadi>
yeah, ogra, me too
14:57
:)
14:58
<maginot>
I've found some pics of ogra and stgraber
14:58
<ogra>
ah
14:58
<maginot>
:x
14:59
<ogra>
i guess there are a bunch of me on the serveral UDS galleries
14:59
<maginot>
well, there are some like "Mr Edubuntu Oliver Grawert"
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<ogra>
lol, Gadi, you are someone :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/292708864/
15:05
<maginot>
=)
15:05
what two someone is gadi?
15:05
<alkisg>
yeah, which of the two someones?
15:06
<ogra>
the first someone, the other is david trask
15:06
<CAN-o-SPAM>
trask looks like hes going to be on tough man
15:06
<ogra>
hm, somehow the second someone is a merge of eharrison and dtrask :)
15:06* ogra is on a conf call now ...
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<maginot>
well, leaving now, cya!
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<mib_mwgu4m6b>
hi all
17:33
why in the thin client can i see the server filesystem ?
17:33
<vagrantc>
mib_mwgu4m6b: because you're logged into the server, not the thin client.
17:34
which is normal.
17:34
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
i added an user in the server... was i wrong ?
17:34
<vagrantc>
no
17:34
that's the way to do it.
17:34
everything pretty much is on the server.
17:34
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
ok...
17:35
<vagrantc>
installing applications, adding users, all happens on the server
17:35
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
if i install an application in the chrooted space (vnc, amsn) i'm not able to use in the client ...
17:36
is it normal ?
17:36
<vagrantc>
yes.
17:36
install it on the server
17:37
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
and why this guide https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients ?!?!
17:38
<vagrantc>
*sometimes* you install *some* applications on the thin client itself, but *usually* you install on the server.
17:39
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
but if i install vnc only on the chroot space i cannot use it the thin client ...
17:39
sorry.. but i'm confused :(
17:39
<vagrantc>
depends on what you're trying to do.
17:40
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
i'd like to use ltsp in my internet cafè....
17:40
<vagrantc>
there's localapps, which makes it more confusing
17:40
mib_mwgu4m6b: do you need to use vnc?
17:41
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
it is an example...
17:41
like amsn
17:41
<vagrantc>
there's some page on the docs about this...
17:41
!doco
17:41
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
17:41
<vagrantc>
!docu
17:41
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "docu" is not a valid command.
17:41
<vagrantc>
gah.
17:41
!docs
17:41
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
17:41
<vagrantc>
mib_mwgu4m6b: that explains it all ^^
17:42
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
so... is it possible that avery user can't see server home directory.... ??!
17:43
<vagrantc>
i don't know what you mean...
17:43
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
and the whole filesystem
17:43
ok... sorry...
17:43
the users on the thin client can see the filesystem....
17:44
can i read in the documents how to avoid this ?
17:45
<vagrantc>
you don't want one user to see the other user's files?
17:45
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
yes...
17:47
<vagrantc>
you do that by setting the permissions on their home directories so they can't see them...
17:47
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
ok...
17:48
right
17:48
<vagrantc>
mib_mwgu4m6b: probably "chmod og-rwx /home/*"
17:49
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
perfect...
17:50
so... i must think about a thin client like a server clone ??
17:50
right ?
17:54
<vagrantc>
each thin client is like an extra monitor, mouse and keyboard for the server.
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<mib_mwgu4m6b>
Thank you vagrantc.. just a last question..
17:57
so, i can create users and group that can not access all filesystem but their home dir.
17:58
right ?
17:58
<vagrantc>
no, you wouldn't be able to run any programs
17:59
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
mhhh
18:01
<vagrantc>
mib_mwgu4m6b: you're trying to lock it down?
18:01
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
yes... i'd like have thin client like kiosk...
18:02
only browser and amsn
18:02
w/o home dir too!
18:03
<vagrantc>
so, you could throw away everything i said and run everything locally :)
18:05
<mib_mwgu4m6b>
i'm sorry and more confused...
18:06
do you thik it's possible to do this with ltsp and diskless thin client ?
18:06
<vagrantc>
well, instead of loggin into the server, you could actually run everything on the thin client.
18:06
ltsp as a diskless thin client
18:06
have a setup like that at a local cafe here
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<mib_mwgu4m6b>
how to avoid loggin into server and run averything in the thin client ?!
18:13
<vagrantc>
it's complicated.
18:13
and not well documented.
18:13
more not documented than anything.
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20:21* Ryan52 wonders if vagrantc is going to offer for freegeek to host the hackfest.
20:21* Ryan52 would like that very much ;)
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20:29
<petre>
airfare from the midwest to Portland is cheaper than to Quebec
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<loather-work>
blame customs
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<nothingman>
anyone here have sugar going on ltsp?
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<cyberorg>
nothingman, install sugar on ltsp server is all that is required
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<bethie>
does anybody know how to disable the remote login from the terminal?
23:43
i want to go back to local
23:44
<cyberorg>
bethie, disable network booting from the bios
23:44
or hit ctrl+c when you see client making pxe request
23:45
<bethie>
i didn't want the remote login
23:45
but i guess i clicked it
23:45
and now when i get to the login screen
23:45
i just have a blank xdmcp screen
23:45
nowhere to login to anything
23:45
i want to put it back to local
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<bethie>
so ctrl+c will work for that?
23:46
<cyberorg>
bethie, are you using ltsp?
23:46
<bethie>
no i joined edubuntu
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<bethie>
and it said come here
23:47
:P sry
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