IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:18chupa has joined #ltsp
00:20chup has quit IRC
00:54F-GT has quit IRC
01:15F-GT has joined #ltsp
01:37zodman has quit IRC
01:39zodman has joined #ltsp
01:40F-GT has quit IRC
01:43F-GT has joined #ltsp
02:02chup has joined #ltsp
02:04chupa has quit IRC
02:11zodman has quit IRC
02:16zodman has joined #ltsp
02:18zodman has quit IRC
02:23zodman has joined #ltsp
02:46chupa has joined #ltsp
02:48chup has quit IRC
03:09subir has quit IRC
03:21mikkel has joined #ltsp
03:48chup has joined #ltsp
03:49F-GT has quit IRC
03:50chupa has quit IRC
03:51F-GT has joined #ltsp
05:09open_lad has quit IRC
05:37markvandenborre has joined #ltsp
05:49markvandenborre has left #ltsp
06:38ogra_cmpc has quit IRC
06:42gonzaloaf has quit IRC
06:44rjune_ has quit IRC
06:52gonzaloaf has joined #ltsp
07:03rjune_ has joined #ltsp
08:06chupa has joined #ltsp
08:07chup has quit IRC
09:05Drakeweb has joined #ltsp
09:05
<Drakeweb>
can anyone help me with a chroot upgrade problem?
09:06
i've performed an apt-get undate
09:06
followed by an apt-get upgrade
09:07
and it fails when attempting to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.22-14-386
09:07
"cannot open /boot/nbi.img-2.6.22-14-386: file exists"
09:08
dpkg: warning - old post removal script returned error exit status 1
09:20vagrantc has joined #ltsp
09:27bobby_C has joined #ltsp
09:31mikkel has quit IRC
10:04markvandenborre has joined #ltsp
10:08
<markvandenborre>
jammcq: did you ever notice a vesa driver having higher performance than a specific driver?
10:08
as in: 20 times more for certain x11perf tests?
10:10
the ones that seem to be most relevant for adobe flash to that
10:12
would it be useful for me to go and have a look at what x11perf tests matter for flash?
10:44markvandenborre has quit IRC
10:50Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC
10:50Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp
11:07zodman has quit IRC
11:11Alexandre has joined #ltsp
11:14Alexandre has quit IRC
11:20bobby_C has quit IRC
12:24Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp
12:25Q-FUNK has quit IRC
12:26Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp
12:34Egyptian[Home1 has joined #ltsp
12:40Q-FUNK has quit IRC
12:45PupUser931879 has joined #ltsp
12:46
<PupUser931879>
can I setup a ltsp and access it from the internet or is ltsp a LAN only terminal server? thanks
12:46Egyptian[Home1 has quit IRC
12:47
<johnny>
it's best for LAN
12:47
<PupUser931879>
thx
12:47
<johnny>
you can access it from the internet the same way as you use other services on linux tho
12:47
vnc, forwarded X, NX,ssh
12:48
<PupUser931879>
i got some people logging into a small business server 2000 in application mode but the resolution is low
12:48
<johnny>
you might want to look into NX then
12:50
<PupUser931879>
however, I did install the k12ltsp and it was awesome. some old business class p3 compaqs with bootp nics and bingo, i was in.
12:50
<johnny>
how up to date is that?
12:51
<PupUser931879>
ver 6 i thinj
12:51
<johnny>
everybody has been working on ltsp5 stuff now
12:51
<PupUser931879>
think
12:51
<johnny>
i mean which ltsp is it based on
12:51
ltsp5 is more distro centric
12:51
but has better options (imo)
12:51Egyptian[Home1 has joined #ltsp
12:54
<PupUser931879>
ah yes... ltsp-5
12:54
<johnny>
i've just been using stock ubuntu
12:55
<PupUser931879>
anyway, thanks again... i'll check out NX for the people connecting to me via the internet.
12:58PupUser931879 has left #ltsp
13:07Top|OLPC has joined #ltsp
13:17cliebow has joined #ltsp
13:25ogra has joined #ltsp
13:25joebaker has joined #ltsp
13:29cliebow_ has joined #ltsp
13:30
<cliebow_>
x
13:31cliebow_ has left #ltsp
13:31cliebow_ has joined #ltsp
13:31
<cliebow_>
x
13:47Top|OLPC has quit IRC
14:34bobby_C has joined #ltsp
14:40Egyptian[Home1 has quit IRC
14:45J45p3r has joined #ltsp
14:47otavio has joined #ltsp
14:50cliebow_ has left #ltsp
15:04outofrange has joined #ltsp
15:36slipttees has joined #ltsp
15:48bobby_C has quit IRC
16:24
<vagrantc>
otavio: how did ldm get through NEW so fast?
16:33slipttees has quit IRC
17:10johnny_ has joined #ltsp
17:32outofrange has left #ltsp
18:10joebaker has quit IRC
18:26
<otavio>
vagrantc: people is doing great on new queue lately
18:35
<vagrantc>
otavio: it almost seems like it never even hit the NEW queue
18:36
otavio: the i386 buildd seems slow :(
18:36
<otavio>
ahhh
18:36
that's why it existed before so it doesn't needs approval
18:37
<vagrantc>
even though it used to be part of a different source package?
18:38
<otavio>
yes
18:55malianx has joined #ltsp
18:56
<malianx>
Is it possible to boot off a livecd, and then connect to an ltsp backend to limit actual use of the system on the client?
18:58
Or possibly to build a cd boot medium to boot off an ltsp server with a wireless card.
18:59
<vagrantc>
all things are possible... do you want to know if it's easy?
18:59
<malianx>
meh, I'm used to it not being
19:00
<vagrantc>
booting off a livecd and connecting to a server is pretty simple ... essentially it's just "ssh -X /etc/X11/Xsession"
19:00
you won't have all the local sound and local devices bells and whistles, though
19:01
<malianx>
hrm
19:01
<vagrantc>
!wireless
19:01
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
19:01
<malianx>
so basically if I don't etherboot/pxe I can't get much out of onboard sound and whatnot?
19:01
<vagrantc>
malianx: you might also have luck with installing the ldm package in your livecd ... though you'll have to configure a few things manually
19:02
well, there are many options, but the easiest thing to do is network boot
19:02
and because that's the easiest thing, the other options are not well developed
19:02
<malianx>
the onboard network card is hosed, and I don't have another for it at the moment heh
19:03
Hrm, I wonder. Do pcmcia nic's support network boot?
19:03
<vagrantc>
not usually
19:04
<malianx>
hrm
19:05
Thanks for the clarifications :)
19:05
ltsp has had my mind grinding away for like a week now, decided to finally really look into it
19:05
<vagrantc>
i've been meaning to mess with setting up pcmcia boot, but now i'm looking more at booting from usb ethernet ... i.e. setting up a local boot medium
19:05
since pcmcia is getting more and more obsolete ...
19:06
<malianx>
local boot medium as in, booting off a usb stick that has eithernet or 802.11 drivers as opposed to nic booting?
19:07
simplified of course, I imagine there'd be initrd scripting and whatnot
19:07
right?
19:07
<vagrantc>
well, the network boot boots the kernel and an initramfs image, which then you have a flexible linux environment ...
19:08
i was thinking of putting some work into setting up boot media creation to load the kernel+initramfs ... cd or usb stick or hard drive ...
19:09
once you get the kernel and initramfs loaded, it's much easier to set up wireless, pcmcia, usb, whatever
19:09
<malianx>
But if you boot a local kernel, don't you lose the peripheral stuff?
19:09
<vagrantc>
no
19:09
not the way i'm proposing
19:10
<malianx>
I'm sorry, I must be having trouble getting my mind around it tonight heh
19:10
If that's what you are proposing, I'm all for it meh, that's what I want probably.
19:10
<vagrantc>
booting off some livecd and running a non-LTSP environment and logging in using similar technologies to LTSP, yes, you'd loose all the hooks
19:11
an LTSP server is just an sshd/tftpd/nfsd/nbd server, really.
19:11
oh, and dhcpd
19:11
<malianx>
that was my understanding, kinda an all-in-one monolith for distributed network clients
19:12
But if it's possible to build a local enviroment that doesn't take away those 'hooks', then we wouldn't have to rely on etherboot/pxe right?
19:13
Speaking of which, how likely is it that an nforce onboard nic is pxe/etherbootable?
19:13
<vagrantc>
LTSP is just a collection of services, and a root environment provided over the network ... if you're not using that root environment, it's not really an LTSP server ... it's just a FOO server
19:13
well, local media boot is an ugly hackish workaround to be avoided if at all possible
19:14
because then you have to update your boot media
19:14
rather than just dynamically getting everything from the network
19:14
anyways, gotta go ...
19:15
<malianx>
alright, thanks
20:23cliebow_ has joined #ltsp
20:24cliebow_ has quit IRC
20:24joebaker has joined #ltsp
20:27malianx has quit IRC
20:34johnny_ has quit IRC
21:23J45p3r has quit IRC
21:36joebaker has quit IRC
21:49open_lad has joined #ltsp
21:54kevin_ has joined #ltsp
21:56
<kevin_>
good evening all, quick question, I come from a Sun Ray thin client background and deployed my first LTSP setup last night on a Xen debian etch build, question is am I supposed to be having this much of an issue getting networked sound to work on the PXE thin client devices or am I missing something very easy here?
21:57
I read the sound page and also saw something concerning the lts.conf file and possibly needing to head in that direction but just wanted to check here and see if anyone here had any sggestions
22:00
<vagrantc>
kevin_: using ltsp-server or ltsp-utils?
22:00
ltsp-server is ltsp 5.x, ltsp-utils is ltsp 4.x
22:00
they are incompatible ...
22:01
!debian
22:01
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
22:01
<kevin_>
I believe ltsp-server, but I am not totally sure, it is a debian etch LTSP 5 install in a Xen DomU instance, if that is what your looking for
22:01
<vagrantc>
the howto documents how to use the backports
22:01
which have better sound support
22:02
<kevin_>
so in the howto docs they say how to use the backports in LTSP5?
22:02
or did I miss something?
22:03
<vagrantc>
did you read the howto?
22:04
<kevin_>
I am 20 plus tabs dep into ltsp pages, I believe so but let me double check
22:04jbrett has joined #ltsp
22:05
<kevin_>
what specific howto? the one off ltsp.org under documentation?
22:05
<vagrantc>
kevin_: much of the documentation on wiki.ltsp.org is for ltsp 4.x ... if you're using ltsp-server and ltsp-build-client, then you'll have to rely on the sparse documentation included in the packages and in the http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP locations
22:05
<kevin_>
ahh ok
22:05
thanks much
22:05
<vagrantc>
kevin_: i recommend starting off with http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
22:05
<kevin_>
excellent thanks
22:06
<vagrantc>
there is documentation that overlaps between ltsp 4.x and ltsp5, but there's no simple way to describe when something applies or doesn't ...
22:06
<kevin_>
yeah that's the page actually that I installed ltsp5 under debian etch from
22:06
it doesnt really talk abt getting sound to work or in detail troubleshooting/debugging
22:06
hmmmm
22:06
<vagrantc>
kevin_: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
22:07
kevin_: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
22:07
yes, the documentation needs considerable work, that's why it's a wiki :)
22:07
<kevin_>
ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server env
22:08
<vagrantc>
ok, so you're using the non-backported packages ...
22:08
<kevin_>
looks like it, I got kde, gnome, xfce4 desktops all working but no sound
22:09
<vagrantc>
i would recommend following the instructions for backported packages, and there should be documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound about configuring sound
22:09
i've tested sound support on etch, and it "works for me"
22:09
with the backported packages, that is
22:11
<kevin_>
cool, much appreciated
22:12
<vagrantc>
you may have to delete your existing install, though ...
22:12
or at least move it aside
22:12
<kevin_>
please forgive me but could you please point me in the right direction for the backported instructions packages docs?
22:12
that's fine
22:13
I can rebuild it no prob at all, it's virtual :-D
22:13
you dont forsee a prob there do you?
22:13
per se as in I have no real audio HW?
22:14
I do the same setup w/ sunray servers using Xen to virtualize them and sound works that way
22:14
but I am sure that is a whole other cookie
22:15
<vagrantc>
server doesn't need a sound card or anything like that- server-side it's all software
22:16
<kevin_>
so it's doing what creating pseudo network sound sockets w/ nc or something similar?
22:16
<vagrantc>
it uses pulseaudio's network sound support
22:16zodman has joined #ltsp
22:17
<vagrantc>
kevin_: about half-way down the page, there's instructions for the "newer LTSP related packages"
22:17
<kevin_>
very cool! I read a small bit on that but as I said i got into this late last night as a side work project as we are running into scaling limitation w/ our Sun Ray env
22:17
damn your right I saw that as well but did nt get brave enough to forge onto there
22:17
will that possibly be the trick to getting sound working?
22:18
<vagrantc>
sound support with pulseaudio is much better than with esound (used in the older versions)
22:20
<kevin_>
ok looks like I am headed down the pulseaudio path
22:20
<vagrantc>
you could probably manually add support for pulseaudio with the regular etch packages ...
22:22
<kevin_>
what do you suggest? fastest/easiest/most repeatable path? go from scratch or try to patch this goodness together?
22:22* vagrantc already made a suggestion :P
22:24
<vagrantc>
i.e. use the backports
22:24
<kevin_>
ok I'm off to try the rest of the 'newer LTSP related packages' section of that doc...see what I can break
22:25
that's the only way to learn :-D heh
22:25
<vagrantc>
there's always room for improvement
22:29
hrm. so i fixed --kiosk mode only to find that with apt's new default behavior pulling in all recommends in pulls in a ridiculous number of packages.
22:32zodman has quit IRC
22:32
<kevin_>
good times :-D
22:34kevin_ has quit IRC
22:36zodman has joined #ltsp
22:45zodman has left #ltsp
22:45zodman has joined #ltsp
22:51F-GT has quit IRC
22:56zodman has quit IRC
22:56zodman has joined #ltsp
22:58Joris_ has joined #ltsp
23:14Joris has quit IRC
23:26Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp
23:27vagrantc has quit IRC
23:27zodman has left #ltsp
23:51F-GT has joined #ltsp
23:54Q-FUNK has quit IRC
23:57zodman has joined #ltsp