IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<vagrantc>
mherweg: by obscure, arcane calls to "xprop"!
00:03
mherweg: you could also use the GUEST_LOGIN feature instead of autologin, which allows you to shut down via LDM
00:04
<mherweg>
yes. I will try GUEST_LOGIN
00:04
<vagrantc>
at least, i think that's what it's called :)
00:05
<mherweg>
LDM_GUESTLOGIN = True
00:06
<vagrantc>
ah yes, i think we standardized on the format at some point
00:06
<mherweg>
i dont understand "arcane calls to "xprop"!"
00:10
another question: can i abort the gPXE boot to allow the boot from local HD. I know it was possible with old etherboot
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00:11
<jammcq>
vagrantc: ping
00:13
<vagrantc>
jammcq: pong
00:14
mherweg: i think escape or ctrl-c will excape gPXE ... although i've mostly been using iPXE lately
00:14
<jammcq>
vagrantc: have you settled on who's picking you up at the airport?
00:15
<vagrantc>
jammcq: no, been busy wrapping things up at work!
00:15* vagrantc cringes
00:15
<jammcq>
we'll be driving right through there, so it's easy for us
00:15
I just need to know whether I need to stop or not
00:15
<vagrantc>
jammcq: i'm leaning that way, yes.
00:16
<jammcq>
google maps says we'll be driving through there at about 11:50am
00:18
<vagrantc>
plan is scheduled to land 2 minutes later.
00:18
plane
00:19
<mherweg>
"esc" did not work. did not try iPXE yet
00:20
<jammcq>
vagrantc: so... unless I hear otherwise, we'll be waiting for you at the curb
00:20
<vagrantc>
ok, it's a deal.
00:20
<jammcq>
vagrantc: also, i've sent you my phone number, in case you need to call me
00:21
<vagrantc>
yup
00:28
jammcq: till then!
00:28* vagrantc waves
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01:13
<bennabiy_away>
jammcq, when does BTS start?
01:14bennabiy_away is now known as bennabiy
01:16
<jammcq>
bennabiy: BTS starts on friday morning
01:16
gotta run, talk to you all later
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07:33
<Hyperbyte>
Morning alkisg!
07:33* alkisg waves to Hyperbyte
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07:45
<Hyperbyte>
:-D
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07:52
<alkisg>
!fatclients
07:52
<ltsp`>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
07:52
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
07:52
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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10:41
<work_alkisg>
!local-nbd
10:41
<ltsp`>
Error: "local-nbd" is not a valid command.
10:41
<work_alkisg>
!local
10:41
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'local', but I do know about these similar topics: 'install-localapp', 'localdev', 'localapps-print', 'RDP-localdev', 'localapps', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'localxterm', 'local-disks', 'local-boot'
10:41
<work_alkisg>
!local-boot
10:41
<ltsp`>
local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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12:03
<cliebow>
sbalneav: Heyhey!
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12:20
<pscheie>
good morning cliebow
12:23
<cliebow>
hi Pete! gonna see ya this weekend?
12:23
<pscheie>
yessir!
12:23
sadly, sbalneav won't be there
12:24
<cliebow>
Yeaah i know..i ll have to play the video..jammcq saya he ll skype in
12:24
<pscheie>
has ogra_ said if he's coming or not yet?
12:24
<ogra_>
i wont
12:25
<pscheie>
:-(
12:25
<ogra_>
(else i would be in the air right now)
12:25
<cliebow>
ogra..too bad.animals not doing well?
12:25
<ogra_>
cliebow, we managed to spoon feed her for the first time in a week just now
12:26
<cliebow>
good grief..
12:26
<ogra_>
which is a giant improvement
12:26
<cliebow>
my pup went though a spell this summer..turns out she gorged herself on mussel shells on the beach..right full of grit
12:27
<ogra_>
oh my
12:27
<cliebow>
she passed it eventually but it was quite a struggle
12:27
<ogra_>
yeah, i can imagine
12:27
well, after seeing her being intrested in food and seeing it stays in now, i'm confident we'll get her through
12:28
<cliebow>
certainly hope so...!
12:30
ps
12:31
pscheie: you running openldap?
12:31
<pscheie>
cliebow, no.
12:31
Well, we are here in my office, but it's not tied to ltsp.
12:32
And I don't manage it, someone else does.
12:32
cliebow, are you?
12:32
<cliebow>
i ve got some silly perms issue i ve fixed before..but having a senior moment
12:34
<pscheie>
heh, I know how that goes.
12:34
<cliebow>
yeah i ve been running one since 2002 steady..the other is on a virt machine and is oh five3 years old
12:34
<pscheie>
I started a new job in July--three months later I can only barely make sense of how things work here.
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12:35
<cliebow>
i just cant remember what i did the last time this cropped up on a machine not doing lldap but authing to it
12:37
<pscheie>
brb
12:45
<cliebow>
k
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13:05
<jammcq>
ogra_: ?
13:05
<ogra_>
jammcq, at home :(
13:05
<jammcq>
Nooooo
13:05
<ogra_>
yeah
13:05
<jammcq>
how's kitty?
13:05
<ogra_>
a tad better
13:06
we managed to spoon feed her a little and it stayed in
13:06
(after a week of vomiting, thats quite some progress)
13:07
<jammcq>
well... we'll miss you in maine
13:07
any chance you can do some google hangouts with us?
13:07
<ogra_>
i miss you guys too :'-/
13:07
<jammcq>
we'll have a webcam and a projector
13:07
<ogra_>
sure, if the bandwith suffices
13:08* highvoltage is there in spirit eating chips and drinking beer
13:08
<jammcq>
highvoltage: hey
13:08
<ogra_>
highvoltage++
13:08
<highvoltage>
hey!
13:10
jammcq: are you at the seawall motel yet?
13:10
<jammcq>
highvoltage: heh, no. i'm still at home. getting ready to head to the airport
13:11
<highvoltage>
cool.
13:12* cliebow cliebow nibbles on 86% chocolate..thinking of ghirardelli square
13:12
<jammcq>
heh
13:12* jammcq wonders what the other 14% is
13:12
<cliebow>
sugar no doubt
13:16
<jammcq>
ok kids, i'm outta here
13:16
<ogra_>
safe flight 1
13:16
!
13:18
<pscheie>
see you there
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16:08
<bennabiy>
Is anyone allowed to participate remotely in BTS?
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16:36
<cliebow>
bennabiy, of course..not sure how you want to do this..
16:36* bennabiy shrugs.
16:36
<bennabiy>
I will not be here much on the weekend, but figured if I was, I would contribute
16:37
<cliebow>
here is a fair amount of talk right on the channel..i could shove some lobster tails in the cd drive and opush send
16:37
<bennabiy>
ouch, who would buy you a new cd drive?
16:38
hmm, I wonder if digital lobster would be "clean"
16:38
<ogra_>
*if* the lobster arrives here ... i will pay for ten CD drives :)
16:38
<bennabiy>
back after lunch :)
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16:38
<cliebow>
i ll ask dave thomas if she ships overseas..
16:38
you have boiling water there?
16:39
<ogra_>
nah, we dont have that modern stuff in europe
16:39
high tech ...
16:39* ogra_ shakes head
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18:37
<vagrantc>
FrozenZia: good luck with your instal fests
18:37
!map
18:37
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'map', but I do know about these similar topics: 'worldmap'
18:37
<vagrantc>
!worldmap
18:37
<ltsp`>
worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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19:15
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: Do you know why I would get a package from 13.10 which does not have the changes we made?
19:15
I just did a test install of mint 16 and I pulled 5.4.3 but it did not even have the vendor patch
19:15
when was the freeze for ubuntu?
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19:20* bennabiy waves at vagrantc.
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19:23
<mherweg>
hi! I just tried LDM_GUESTLOGIN : LDM restarts when i press the guest login butten
19:23
is it only for fat clients ?
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19:33
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: because your changes were introduced after ltsp 5.4.3 ...
19:33
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: so when will they catch up with upstream?
19:33
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: nothing gets automagically updated i debian or ubuntu, far as i know... it takes a human to do the work
19:33
<bennabiy>
ahh
19:34
<vagrantc>
so when someone uploads it
19:34* vagrantc hopes to update some things this weekend
19:34
<bennabiy>
I guess it confused me that i installed it on a different machine, and it had the changes
19:34
Will it pull upstream updates?
19:34
<vagrantc>
mherweg: no, should work for thin clients too
19:35
mherweg: are you able to login specifying a user and password?
19:35
<bennabiy>
mherweg: did you specify a guest username and password?
19:35
<vagrantc>
mherweg: it will also autologin using a username/password = to the client's autogenerated hostname
19:36
mherweg: typically ltspN, based on your ip
19:36
bennabiy: maybe you included a ppa or something?
19:36
<mherweg>
are you able to login specifying a user and password? ... yes
19:37
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: perhaps.
19:37
<mherweg>
mherweg: did you specify a guest username and password? ... in lts.conf ? no. can i use any user ?
19:37
<bennabiy>
that must have been it
19:37
<vagrantc>
mherweg: and did you configure it to use those usernames/passwords?
19:38
mherweg: it needs valid login credentials
19:39* vagrantc generates the likely users on the server and cofigures ssh keys for guestlogin to work
19:39
<mherweg>
like this : LDM_USERNAME = John and LDM_PASSWORD = secret ?
19:39
<vagrantc>
mherweg: yup, defaulting to hostname
19:39
man lts.conf
19:40
for more info
19:41
<mherweg>
i'm confused. so i have to create 10 users for 10 terminals. and their home will be cleaned at login ? (guest)
19:41
<vagrantc>
not cleaned, unless you configure it to do so
19:41
but yes, you'll need 1 user per terminal
19:42
it's not the same thing as ubuntu's guest login feature... it's much older than that
19:43* vagrantc really hopes to get ltsp6 roadmap sorted this weekend
19:43
<mherweg>
so guestlogin is for users who dont know an username/password but they will get a "dirty" $HOME from the guest before ?
19:43
<vagrantc>
mherweg: yes, although there's a simple hook you can add to clean the homedir at login
19:44
<mherweg>
please tell me
19:44* alkisg wonders if guestlogin should be renamed to defaultuserlogin or something...
19:44* vagrantc doesn't know where offhand, and doesn't have the time to go looking
19:44
<vagrantc>
almostautologin
19:45
<alkisg>
mherweg: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1310986533.1915.3.camel%40alkis&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
19:45
<mherweg>
i did clean from Xreset in the past but Xreset is not called anymore, or maybe i have to use the Xreset in the chroot
19:45
<alkisg>
Although that rm -rf should really be find . -delete
19:45
<vagrantc>
it's basically the same as autologin, only it presents the greeter to give you opportunity to log in as a different user, or click the button.
19:46
once you click the button, it's essentially identical to autologin
19:46
<bennabiy>
I have a script for enabling guest login on every host running
19:47
<alkisg>
We should also have a choice there for "AUTOLOGIN_ONLY_ONCE"... so maybe we should somehow re-organize all those options
19:47
<bennabiy>
auto generates ssh keys and such
19:47
I nabbed it from somewhere
19:47
<mherweg>
thats better then autologin, because with autologin the user can not turn off the terminal
19:47
<vagrantc>
anyways, i'd best get going
19:47
good luck all!
19:47
<alkisg>
mherweg: you can create a desktop shortcut for that
19:47
bb vagrantc
19:47* vagrantc waves
19:48
<mherweg>
bye thanks
19:48
a desktop shortcut that does... ?
19:48
<alkisg>
shutdown from within the session
19:48
Or reboot... we have a template somewhere in the ltsp package
19:49* vagrantc though we had autologin_once ...
19:49
<alkisg>
/usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-shutdown.desktop
19:50* alkisg only sees LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER
19:51
<mherweg>
ok, i'll have a look at that
19:52
any suggestion about ITALC or epoptes or controlaula ?
19:52* alkisg would suggest epoptes, but he's biased, being one of the devs... :)
19:53
<alkisg>
But its ltsp integration is far better than the other ones
19:53
<mherweg>
nice!
19:57
does it matter for epoptes if i have LDM_DIRECTX or not ?
19:59
alkisg: does it matter for epoptes if I use LDM_DIRECTX or not ?
20:00
<bennabiy>
epoptes works, and x2go for remote
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20:01
<mherweg>
LDM_GUESTLOGIN works! will install epoptes now.
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20:30
<pscheie>
vagrantc, shouldn't you be getting on an airplane soon?
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20:34
<vagrantc>
pscheie: moderately
20:35
<pscheie>
You're flying to BOS and then riding up with jammcq, right?
20:39
<vagrantc>
portland, but yeah
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20:56
<pscheie>
Ok. See you tomorrow, then.
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