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Channel log from 2 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Metatron>
anyone familiar with ltsp-manager failing to start? gives a number off errors
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<LastLemming>
hi
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<LTSPTNK>
hi everyone! I have been developing LTSP envinroment to one school here in Finland. Now I'm stuck with USB sticks. Things I have done are: AD domain authentication, base install and developing a sub network for LTSP
06:11
and I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 32bit server kernel
06:13
Any hints for USB sticks? If I plug it into server, both the clients and the server gets popped up with the event
06:13
But if I plug it into the client, it just flashes the lights of USB stick and nothing else happens
06:13
fuse and permissions for it are working
06:13
<ogra>
are you sure ?
06:14
i.e. you cant have the fuse group in AD for that to work ...
06:14
it must use the system group of the server
06:15
<LTSPTNK>
I have tried with AD group and local user with the system group
06:15
and I think the fuse group in AD is working, I'm using Likewise-Open for authentication
06:15
<ogra>
well, it should work out of the box in any defult ubuntu ltsp install
06:15
*default
06:16
<LTSPTNK>
I think so too, but doesnt seem to :(
06:19
$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 # passwd <enter password twice> # exit $ sudo ltsp-update-image
06:19
quate from edubuntu wiki^^
06:19
why this doesnt work? at run level 1 it says that my account has expired when I try to use root
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<ogra>
whoops ...ISP disconnect
06:25
<LTSPTNK>
If the udev rules are firing, then you should see an entry for the usb device in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab on the thin client:
06:25
there aint any ltspfs_fstab file in that directory :O
06:26
could that be the source of the problem?
06:26
<ogra>
it creates it dynamically
06:26
and it works for most people, so i wonder ...
06:27
did you do any tweaks by creating an lts.conf ?
06:28
<LTSPTNK>
no i didnt :(
06:28
<ogra>
hmm, then it should just work ...
06:28
did you make any changes to gnome ?
06:29
<LTSPTNK>
all the tweaks are in shh_config in ltsp side
06:29
<ogra>
oh ?
06:29
what kind of tweaks ?
06:29
<LTSPTNK>
so the ltsp side is really default
06:29
cleint side has only GASSAPI delegated credentials
06:29
<ogra>
hmm
06:30
<LTSPTNK>
but server has much more in ssh_config, samba, kerberos etc needed for proper authentication
06:32
<ogra>
is it possible to switch that back to te default config for a test with a lical user ?
06:32
*local
06:33
<LTSPTNK>
yeah. i could make another root filesystem there and just rename it, it would be so default as it can get
06:33
but first i test with multiple other usb sticks
06:33
<ogra>
just to rule out its not your user credentials
06:34
oh, note that ltspfs only pics up partitions, not devices ... some windows formatting tools dont partition the device properly but format it directly ... check that :)
06:35
<LTSPTNK>
oki :)
06:36
but when i plugged the stick into this server it popped up on both screens, the server and client
06:36
<ogra>
right, thats normal for the server side
06:37
it will be shown on all desktops if plugged in to the server
06:37* ogra considers that a feature :) (especially in teaching environments to share data)
06:38
<ogra>
the client devices will only show for the owner
06:40
<LTSPTNK>
this is one thing i really dont like, all other is working pretty well
06:41
btw, is there any other way to reload fuse than reboot?
06:42
going to reboot the server so these clients are going down also :)
06:43
brb
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<LTSPTNK>
didnt help
06:46
<ogra>
so lets debug that :)
06:47
create a file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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add the following:
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[default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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...
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thats it
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then boot a client, you will have a root login on the second console (ctrl-alt-f2)
06:48
plug in a device and check the output of the dmesg command if it sees the device ad its partitions
06:49
<LTSPTNK>
i got the reading in normal desktop, might it be different?
06:50
<ogra>
yes, a desktop session runs on the server
06:50
<LTSPTNK>
oki
06:50
<ogra>
you wont see the cliet HW at all from there
06:50
*client
06:52
in the last lines of dmesg yu should see something like sda1 or sdb1 or so
06:52
that indicates the kernel sees it ... (which is our first checkpoint)
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<LTSPTNK>
whoa
06:54
the whole thing froze up :D
06:55
gotta try again
06:55
lats was something about invalid position buffer :D
06:55
<ogra>
the three dots above dont belong in lts.conf btw
06:55
in case you copied that :)
06:55
<LTSPTNK>
:) I might be newbie but I somehow figured it up :)
06:56
<ogra>
well, just to make sure :)
06:56
<LTSPTNK>
i meant that dmesg
06:56
<ogra>
dmesg froze your client ?
06:56
<LTSPTNK>
it atleast said that there was Kingstone USB mass storage present
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but then it got forzen to some invalid position thingie
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<ogra>
and anything about sda1 or sdb1 ....
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<ogra>
hum
06:57
<LTSPTNK>
usb3-1: new high speed USB device
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USB Mass Storage support registered.
06:58
<ogra>
thats good already
06:58
<LTSPTNK>
sd 2:0:0:0 [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write trought
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[sdb] Assuming drive cache
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<ogra>
so we are looking for sdb1
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<LTSPTNK>
and has been there for 2 minutes
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now it quitted and i tryed again
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<ogra>
if you plug that into the server and check dmesg there, do you actualy see the partition shown in dmesg ?
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<LTSPTNK>
no sdb1 or sda1
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on client now
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so i try the server
07:00* ogra suspects the device isnt partitioned
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<LTSPTNK>
i just partiotioned it with gparted?
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<ogra>
hmm
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then dmesg should show the partition
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<LTSPTNK>
same thing with another usb stick
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<ogra>
if you partitioned it you also need to format it
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<LTSPTNK>
i did it also :)
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<ogra>
good
07:01
how about the server's dmesg ?
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do you se the sdX1 there ?
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<LTSPTNK>
do :(
07:02
no :(
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[ 1083.791586] usb-storage: device found at 4
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[ 1083.791590] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
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[ 1083.791592] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
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[ 1083.791596] USB Mass Storage support registered.
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[ 1088.790333] usb-storage: device scan complete
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[ 1088.791334] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
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[ 1088.982754] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 1970176 512-byte hardware sectors (1009 MB)
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[ 1088.983502] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
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[ 1088.983507] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
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[ 1088.983510] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
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[ 1088.986128] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 1970176 512-byte hardware sectors (1009 MB)
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[ 1088.986751] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
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[ 1088.986755] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
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[ 1088.986758] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
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[ 1088.986761] sdc: sdc1
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[ 1088.987439] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
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[ 1088.987484] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
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sorry for overflow guys :)
07:02* ogra points LTSP to pastebot:
07:02
<ogra>
!pastebot
07:02
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
07:02
<LTSPTNK>
oh there it is
07:03
<ogra>
so thats on the server, right ?
07:03
<LTSPTNK>
yeah
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[ 1088.986761] sdc: sdc1
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<ogra>
you should see the same on the clinet in dmesg
07:03
<LTSPTNK>
hey
07:03
<ogra>
probably with a different letter
07:03
<LTSPTNK>
am i blind or was it there sec ago
07:03
i tryed with 3rd usb stick and now in my cleint it says
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sbd: sdb1
07:04
<ogra>
good
07:04
unplug it again
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<LTSPTNK>
done :)
07:04
<ogra>
switch to console 7 (ctrl-alt-f7)
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<LTSPTNK>
yeah, allrdy here
07:04
<ogra>
log in at the login manager
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<ogra>
plug it in after you are logged in
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<LTSPTNK>
nothing :D just nothing
07:05
so the finger points towards udev rules
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<ogra>
switch back to console2
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<LTSPTNK>
Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?
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and?
07:06
<ogra>
check for the /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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if the udev rules work (which they do for everyone else) the file should exist on the client
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<LTSPTNK>
doesnt here :O
07:07
ltspfs_mount ltspfs_umount ltspfsd
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<ogra>
in /var/run ?
07:07
<LTSPTNK>
yeap
07:07
all lt starting files
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but in
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in /var/run/drives/ there is usbdisk-sdb1
07:09
<ogra>
aha !
07:09
that sounds ok to me then
07:09
switch back to console 7 (the gui)
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open a terminal there
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type in: ls /media/$USER/
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anything in there ?
07:10
<LTSPTNK>
nothing
07:10
doesnt exists
07:11
<ogra>
hmm, intresting, it should
07:11
type in: groups
07:11
is fuse listed ?
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(in the gnome terminal)
07:12
<LTSPTNK>
yeah
07:12
<ogra>
i dont get why you dont have ltspfs_fstab
07:12
<LTSPTNK>
does the id of it has anything to do with this?
07:12
<ogra>
i'm just cross checking here with a virtualbox install
07:12
<LTSPTNK>
I have tryed with its default id 106
07:12
<ogra>
yes, the id is essential
07:13
<LTSPTNK>
and then i messed littlebit with it
07:13
<ogra>
grep fuse /etc/group
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<LTSPTNK>
and now it is back to 106
07:13
<ogra>
it needs to be the local group the installer created during install and it needs to match the group id thats in /etc/group
07:14
thats why i asked you to switch back from your ssh changes and try with a real local user
07:14
<LTSPTNK>
fuse:x:106:user,anotheruser
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<ogra>
you shouldnt let AD handle the system groups
07:14
user groups and user IDs start at 1000 in ubuntu
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everything below is system groups and they can vary from machine to machne
07:15
<LTSPTNK>
i see that, but what happens when I have ~100 users from ad logging in?
07:15
<ogra>
since they are created dynamically on package install of the respective package that needs ths grup
07:16
i.e. for fuse thats fuse-utils
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<LTSPTNK>
i took the ssh GASSAPI delegated credentials away and now it work
07:17
s
07:19
do u have any hint how to make fuse available for all the AD domain users?
07:19
some way to link domain^users group to fuse and all others
07:19
<ogra>
not really, i have no experience with AD ... and the last windows i touched was win2000
07:19
<LTSPTNK>
I hope I could be in same situation
07:19
<ogra>
but at least we know that ltsp in itself works as it should ...
07:20
<LTSPTNK>
yeah, but while it works like this, it is kind of useless in this envinroment
07:20
<ogra>
i guess either google is your friend here or you have to wait for someoe comong around here who has AD experience (there are some residents in the channel that know about it)
07:21
<LTSPTNK>
I have heard about some things that could help me here
07:21
likewise-open should have some server side application for Unix system groups
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<ogra>
might be, due to lack of windows here i havent tested likewise ever :)
07:22
but i know the guys in #ubuntu-server know about it
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<Blinny>
Woah. There's an #ubuntu-server? Nice!
07:23
<ogra>
sure
07:23
there is an #ubuntu- for every purpose :)
07:24
even #ubuntu-mobile :)
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<Blinny>
Sweeeet.
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<LTSPTNK>
hmmm...
07:40
anyone here with a LTSP setup in AD?
07:40
<ogra>
probably Gadi knows something ... he has setups in various environments
07:41
wait for him
07:42
<LTSPTNK>
19 minutes and my workday is filled :)
07:42
but then ill come back tomorrow :D
07:42
<ogra>
you at least know where to look now :)
07:44
<LTSPTNK>
I have been working in this place for 6 months (civil service) and when I came here I had used Linux for like 5 months at my desktop
07:44
and now I have been reading for lets say 500 pages about Unix and Linux in general
07:45
<ogra>
nice way to do civil service
07:45
<LTSPTNK>
and like 1000 (cant even count) how many AD guides, 1000 guides about flash and java in Ubuntu, etc
07:45
and I can say that I have improved a bit :)
07:46
<ogra>
well: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
07:46
<LTSPTNK>
thanks for the help, I start shutting things down here, see you tomorrow when I try more things :)
07:46
<ogra>
:)
07:46
for java and friends
07:46
<LTSPTNK>
there is just a little but
07:46
<ogra>
enjoy your day
07:46
<LTSPTNK>
one finnish school page containing a lot of study material
07:47* ogra hopes finland is as nice and warm as germany today
07:47
<LTSPTNK>
will not work with open jdk
07:47
:)
07:47
have a nice dat
07:47
day
07:47
<ogra>
ubuntu-restricted-extras should pull in the sun java
07:47
<LTSPTNK>
yeah, but not with 64bits :P
07:47
<ogra>
oh, right
07:47
thats a bit different
07:48
<LTSPTNK>
cya
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey, what's the planned release date for 8.04.1 ?
08:00
<ogra>
tomorrow if we get enough testers
08:00
<jammcq>
seriously? or are you kidding around?
08:00
<ogra>
i just tested the ltsp CD install, all fine, i dont think it will change anymore
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<ogra>
i heard the desktop CD might see a espin though
08:01
<jammcq>
I like espins
08:01
<ogra>
not sure if that as already happened (only monitoring alternate due to ltsp changes here)
08:01
heh
08:01
h r
08:02
put the above letters where you like in thise sentences ;)
08:02
*these
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<jammcq>
any random location :)
08:04
<ogra>
as you like :)
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, hey
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just tested 8.04.1 .... no symlink, all working fine
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, but we need to address that frambuffer thing for 8.04.2 imho ... thats really bad
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<epoxy|w3rk>
espin?
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<Gadi>
Blinny: ping
08:29
<Blinny>
Gadi: pong!
08:30
<Gadi>
can you try one more for me (to see if it fixes the cancel button)?
08:30
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "once more with feeling!" (39 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/15
08:30
<Blinny>
Gadi: Yes - need a few minutes to finish up another thing though.
08:31
<Gadi>
np
08:31
<Blinny>
One thing: This morning, a user reported getting the 'you are still logged in' even though they had not been. They logged out, then tried again, and received the same message
08:32
<Gadi>
do you have a lingering process problem?
08:32
ie, when users log out, do some processes not die?
08:35
<Blinny>
Absolutely.
08:35
<Gadi>
there ya go
08:35
<Blinny>
And this may be created. I wasn't here to check if there truly were processes laying around.
08:35
:s;created;related
08:35
<Gadi>
our script just checks if there are *any* old user procs
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not necessarily that they are related to a session
08:36
<ogra>
which will make all screen sessions go boom
08:36
<Gadi>
we should prolly make the prompt optional
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<Gadi>
so that it will just kill the old processes without asking if thats what the admin wants
08:38
<Blinny>
ogra: Yeah but none of _my_ users use screen, so... (;
08:38
<Gadi>
not too many users in the real world use screen :)
08:38
<Blinny>
Gadi: Maybe we need a third button
08:38
<Gadi>
nah
08:38
<Blinny>
Gadi: Login & kill, login, and cancel back to ldm
08:38
<ogra>
Blinny, but to get that in as default into ldm it needs to regard such situations
08:38
<Blinny>
ogra: I know I'm just being self-centered.
08:39
<Gadi>
ogra: just make the default not to use this screen script
08:39
we'll wrap the whole thing in an lts.conf var
08:39
like: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
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or some such
08:39
<ogra>
i bet you can find out if something runs backgrounded or under screen from the processlist ;)
08:40
<Gadi>
right - or we can kill anything that's a child of another sshd process
08:40
maybe
08:40
<ogra>
if there is still a sshd around (very unlikely)
08:40
<Gadi>
*very* likely in our case
08:41
well, there are two issues:
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<Gadi>
1. Logging off another logged in session (for which there is sshd)
08:41
2. Killing off stale processes (for which there won't be)
08:41
<ogra>
right, i'm more intrested in 2
08:42
<Gadi>
ok
08:42
<ogra>
for whch we shouldnt even ask ... if the automatism works right
08:43
<Gadi>
i was always under the impresseion that you considered #2 an upstream bug not worth addressing here :)
08:43
<ogra>
right
08:43
<Gadi>
but, we can add some checks and balances
08:43
<ogra>
but since nobody even files bugs against the hanging aps upstream, what shall i do
08:43
<Gadi>
indeed
08:43
we battle against the world
08:44
throwing punches in the air
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<Gadi>
well, if the Cancel button works, I'll work in some checks and balances
08:44
only prompt if it finds an old sshd proc for that user
08:45
otherwise don't prompt
08:45
and in either case, kill all old processes with the exception of screen and her children
08:45
tho, I loathe making screen a special case
08:45
but, if it must be, it must be
08:47
<Blinny>
Ok. I'm back. Had to push a few months of code to a production server, then pray a little bit.
08:51
Gadi: Do you want me to go ahead and test that code, or wait for more dev?
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<Gadi>
test this one
08:52
pls
08:52
just for the cancel button
08:52
once we get that one working, we have a first pass
08:53
and we can add to it
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<Blinny>
Alright, one second.
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08:59
<Blinny>
Gadi: It works!!
09:00* Blinny applauds loudly
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09:01
<Gadi>
YAY!
09:01
whew
09:01
so simple yet so elusive
09:01
ok, now the fun part - building off of what we have
09:06
ogra: u said you were doing geode driver testing with a fresh hardy chroot?
09:07
<ogra>
with the 8.04.1 CD
09:07
<Gadi>
ah
09:07
does it work?
09:07
<ogra>
works out of the box
09:07
<Gadi>
excellent
09:07
is 8.04.1 available?
09:07
<ogra>
tomorrow i hpe ...
09:07
*hope
09:07
<Gadi>
ok
09:07
<ogra>
depending on testers
09:07
if we get enough tests only
09:08
<Gadi>
if someone is using standard 8.04
09:08
<ogra>
else we'll delay until really everything is tested
09:08
<Gadi>
then, they need to update the driver in the chroot, yes?
09:08
<ogra>
and likely remove the -amd driver
09:08
<Gadi>
ok
09:08
and pull the new one from hardy-proposed?
09:09
<ogra>
-amd doesnt get installed by default anymore, but if its there it will be updated and break geode
09:09
-updates
09:09
never ever use proposed unless you want to help testing
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<Gadi>
so, add hardy-updates to the chroot's sources
09:09
<epoxy|w3rk>
if ldm stops popping up automatically, how can I pop it up manually
09:09
<ogra>
it might eat your children
09:09
<Gadi>
heh
09:09
well, I wasnt aware that it moved to updates
09:09
<ogra>
Gadi, easiest is usualy to tell users to copy the servers sources.list over
09:10
proposed is the quarantaine area
09:10
where a package has to sit for a week and only if it gets two positive comments on the according bug it will be moved
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<Blinny>
I accidentally updated * from proposed a couple of weeks ago :(
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<ogra>
well, matter of luck :)
09:12
it *might* be ok
09:12
but there is no guarantee
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<Gadi>
there's a flag to l-b-c for that right?
09:12
using server's sources
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<ogra>
--copy-sourceslist
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "this one has screen checks" (61 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/16
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<cliebow>
where are we as far as using wireless (not pcmcia obviously)?
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<vagrantc>
!wireless
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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<vagrantc>
as far as i know, not really any new news
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<cliebow>
ok thanks vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
klausade: new backports for ltsp, ltspfs and ldm :)
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<Gadi>
ogra: do you have a link to 8.04.1 CD for testing?
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<Adylas>
LTSP is a server software ? What about the client ?
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<Blinny>
Adylas: The clients boots without hard drives from kernels provided by the LTSP server. Then, they run all applications directly off the server.
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<Adylas>
I am on a thin client / fat server architecture. My fat server is Centos 4.6. Can LTSP work on that ^
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<vagrantc>
there isn't a port of ltsp5 to centos, as far as i know. warren and others have been working on ltsp5 for fedora.
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<warren>
I'm pretty close to making it work on centos5
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<Blinny>
There is a LTSP4.2+CentOS available at http://k12ltsp.org, though most/all development work is being done on LTSP5 now.
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<Gadi>
Blinny: btw - did you see my last paste?
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Yah. Sorry, busting on other stuff right now. It's been years since I used screen (I prefer FreeNX and session reinstitution) so I'd need to read up to test it. I'll try to get to it in a bit.
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<Gadi>
np - the other thing I added was it will not prompt unless there is another *session*
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(ie if there are just lingering procs, it wont prompt)
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so, you shouldnt get those support calls
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:)
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<Blinny>
Woo!
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<cliebow>
Gadi:got a link for your terminals?
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brb
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<juanpaul>
Hello, how can i access the system terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) on the LTSP5 client?
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<Gadi>
juanpaul: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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reboot the client
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ctrl-alt-f1
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login as root
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, i can't alternate to the virtual console (can't get ride of the ldm)
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<Gadi>
ah
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do you get a blinking cursor?
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also, make sure you use the left alt key
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<juanpaul>
yes, sure
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<Gadi>
not the right one
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it doesnt work?
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, if i remove the archive /etc/X11/xorg.conf i get the ldm working and i can alternate between the VTs
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<Gadi>
the one in the chroot, I assume
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<juanpaul>
but, if i let the xorg.conf there, then the ldm starts but appears that's locking the Crtl+Alt+F*
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<Gadi>
perhaps you can pastebot it
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<juanpaul>
yes, /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the client (diskless)
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<Gadi>
btw, you should never create that file in the chroot
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if you want to use your own xorg.conf, you should save it to a different name
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like: $chroot/etc/X11/myXorg.conf
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<Gadi>
and in lts.conf specify:
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X_CONF = /etc/X11/myXorg.conf
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<juanpaul>
the xorg.conf is generated by demand by the ltsp-client-setup. but if the file isn't there, the ltsp-client-setup can't create it
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<Gadi>
sure it can
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<Gadi>
you should never have /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your image
14:10
it will always be created on the fly
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, it isn't created, i just "touched", the file is there, but without the contents
14:13
Gadi, i'm using the version that's ported to Gentoo, i believe that its a bit different than the Ubuntu version
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<Gadi>
well, that's a bug if that is true
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if it boots fine without it, how do you know you need to touch it?
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<juanpaul>
because, before i touch it i can access the Xorg.log and in the log i can find that it isn't using the /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but the /tmp/xorg.conf.new
14:18
theses files are "binded" on this port,so if the file isn't there, it can't be created
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<Gadi>
meaning they bind-mount to /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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<juanpaul>
yes, because the FS is read-only
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<Gadi>
yuck
14:20
well, in that case,
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can you transfer the bad xorg.conf to the server and pastebot the contents?
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(the one that is created on the fly)
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<juanpaul>
nope, because the /tmp/xorg.conf.new isn't created anymore and when are created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf i can't alternate to the local console or access it by sshd
14:23
Gadi, are you using Ubuntu as LTSP server?
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<Gadi>
mainly
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<Gadi>
Ubuntu uses unionfs
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so, none of this bind-mount stuff
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:)
14:23
I would suggest you do this:
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<vagrantc>
bind mounting works fine on debian
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<juanpaul>
i will install-it than i can compare with the Gentoo LTSP startup-process
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<Gadi>
do not have a xorg.conf
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boot
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login to the console
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hmm
14:24
no, that wont work
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<juanpaul>
vagrantic, Gadi: debian != ubuntu ??
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<Gadi>
exactly
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:)
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<juanpaul>
vagrantc ^
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<Gadi>
they are spelled completely differently
14:25
and dont even sound the same
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plus, the logos are completely different
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, i mean under the hood, not the names...
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<vagrantc>
juanpaul: debian is most certainly not the same as ubuntu.
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<Gadi>
just kidding
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<vagrantc>
juanpaul: for example, in debian, LTSP still uses NFS...
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<Gadi>
under the hood, they differ too
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<vagrantc>
juanpaul: ubuntu uses NBD
14:26
there's historically been significant differences in X and the linux kernel
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, vagrantc: cool, i've been thinking that they are much the same...
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<vagrantc>
ubuntu is derived from debian, and regularly syncs most things, but they are distinct creatures.
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, vagrantc: You're using LTSP environment, how the flash animations (say, youtube) performs on yours systems?
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<vagrantc>
flash is bad news.
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<juanpaul>
vagrantc, why? 1 frame per second?
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<vagrantc>
juanpaul: technical implementation aside, proprietary software is generally a pain on free OSes.
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<juanpaul>
vagrantc, the gnash didn't performs better tha flash(r) under tha LTSP?
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<vagrantc>
i've heard mixed results. in the end, flash is a pain.
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<Gadi>
juanpaul: largely depends on a number of factors
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1. you must use LDM_DIRECTX
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to get decent performance
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2. you should have good video card + proper drivers
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3. you should have good network connectivity (few switches, good cabling, good switch
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its not a question of flash being proprietary or not
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really
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your question is more general - video performance
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which can be different for different apps
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simply because some can make use of video accelerations like glx, xv, etc
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and many sync audio to video, which requires good feedback from pulseaudio and the like
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and good pulseaudio support
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<juanpaul>
Gadi, humm. Did you know what's the hardware required to get the youtube working on the LTSP terminals if any that can get working?
14:45
Gadi, minimum hardware (on the server and even more minimal on the terminals)
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<juanpaul>
Gadi?
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<Gadi>
well, actually I take back one thing I said
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<juanpaul>
hello johnny!
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<Gadi>
flash does tend to be worse than other video playback
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for example, test with an avi file
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or mov file
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I'll hit that +screen script tomorrow morning.
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<Gadi>
in mplayer
15:01
Blinny: cool
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Cheers. Thanks for continued hard work.
15:01
*foop*
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<juanpaul>
johnny: ping
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<johnny>
juanpaul, pong
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<juanpaul>
johnny, how are you? What's the news? Have some progress on the LTSP ebuild?
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<johnny>
juanpaul, no, not much, preparing for a very long trip
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and trying to get my affairs in order before
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i doubt you'll see much advancement until the end of july in which i will be meeting a gentoo developer in portland, oregon to look over it
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<juanpaul>
johnny, hummm... ok. I have one question: when the ltsp-client create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and start the X server, i can't alternate between the VTs (Ctrl+Alt+F1). Did you noticed this?
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<johnny>
no, i didn't
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juanpaul, i really need to update my repository to match upstream
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i'll try to do that before the week s over
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it would be simpler is my stuff was integrated, but it can't be, until he looks over it
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<juanpaul>
johnny, i have managed the hostname question with some work-arounds on the /opt/ltsp/x86/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
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<johnny>
one problem is that we're using too old busybox
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the dhcp client in genkernel's busybox doesn't allow to pass certain options we want
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i was told by th developers that i should wait until the 2008.0 release before messing up genkernel too badly
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<juanpaul>
ok johnny, i need to go. thanks for attention.
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<vagrantc>
hrm. xserver issues in sid ...
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<vagrantc>
for a second, i was worried i borked something in my latest uploads...
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<Bitland>
buenas
17:41
alguien podría decirme porque sólo deja conectar al usuario administrador en la terminal tonta desde ltsp? el resto de usuarios da "password incorrect" y os aseguro que conectan en el servidor y antes en el terminal tonto sin problemas
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<vagrantc>
aha! xserver-xorg-video-vesa just uploaded 2.0.0 today ... that's what broke.
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