IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<Bhaskar>
intengu, hello
00:02
<intengu>
any idea on how setup login profiles when using thin clients- want for example to have OpenOffice.org, Firefox, mount removable drive, no browsing filesystem
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<joebob777as7>
no clue... new to it all
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<PMantis>
sup guys?
00:46
mistik1: ping
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00:48
<PMantis>
hi there!
00:48
<joebob777as7>
hey
00:48
<PMantis_>
Hi alter-ego?
00:48
<PMantis>
:)
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00:53
<joebob777as7>
pmantis are you pretty familiar with ltsp?
00:58
<PMantis>
yeah, most areas... sup?
00:59
<joebob777as7>
i'm wondering how to set up login profiles to all look the same when I first create a user
00:59
<PMantis>
ahh
01:00
that's more of a linux thing, but...
01:00
<joebob777as7>
also when i've created a user i set the password to never expire and when I go to log in from a thin client to the server it disconnects due to an expired password so i have to log in initially on the server for every user...
01:01
<PMantis>
setup a user the way you like it, but nothing private (email accounts, etc)
01:01
<joebob777as7>
ok any user or the first user i set up?
01:01
<PMantis>
then copy all from /home/user to /etc/skel
01:01
any
01:01
<joebob777as7>
is that it?
01:02
<PMantis>
but, will only affect users created after.
01:02
yes.
01:02
may need hidden files, too
01:02
<joebob777as7>
wow too easy! now what if I want to disable them from browsing outside their home directory?
01:03
sorry i'm new to linux only 2 months into it...
01:03
<PMantis>
as far as the password expiry, unsure... might be distro specific
01:03
<joebob777as7>
oh ok i'm using ubuntu feisty
01:03
<PMantis>
heh it's ok
01:03
cool
01:04
don't add then to the 'wheel' group, and create one group per user.
01:04
users can browse home dirs of others in same primary group
01:04
usually
01:05
sorry about typos... on my phone. :)
01:06
typing this much actually hurts a little. heh
01:06
<joebob777as7>
oh ok so i need to create new group for each user and that fixes it? it's all good.
01:06
<PMantis>
basically
01:07
<joebob777as7>
I'm going to be setting this up for a school as well so will they effectively be pretty limited from breaking my system if i just set them up as basic users with their own groups?
01:07
<PMantis>
you might need to run: chmod o-rwx -R /home
01:08
that prevents 'o'thers from browsing dirs under qhome
01:08
errr /home
01:08
yes.
01:08
they can trash their own accounts, but not the system.
01:09
<joebob777as7>
awesome!
01:09
<PMantis>
unless they have a big hammer. :)
01:09
<joebob777as7>
like?
01:09
oh i get it
01:09
<PMantis>
heh
01:10
<joebob777as7>
where are you in the world?
01:10
<PMantis>
is it called something else there?
01:10
NE USA
01:10
2 AM here :)
01:11
<joebob777as7>
no it's not i'm in OR
01:11
<PMantis>
ahh
01:11
well, bed time
01:11
during the day, usually lots of help here.
01:12
<joebob777as7>
ok thanks a bunch!
01:12
<PMantis>
especially early evening
01:12
you're welcome
01:12
<joebob777as7>
night
01:12
<PMantis>
cya!!
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01:13
<NefariousAryq>
joebob: Something I do, that might be helpful to you also, is... I run a script everytime the user logs in, that re-copies those skel files into their home directory, and deletes other stuff in the home directory, so that anything they changed the last time they logged in gets overwritten, and makes it all back to "like new". I dunno if that would be helpful in your situation or not, but works great for us.
01:14
<joebob777as7>
that would be great! what about their personal files though I would want them to stay
01:15
or do you do something else for that NefariousAryq?
01:16
<NefariousAryq>
I only overwrite specific configuration files... any OpenOffice documents they might create or something would stay.
01:18
<joebob777as7>
oh ok how is that run? is it just something like this cp -rf /etc/skel/
01:21
<Bhaskar>
i have sound problem on k12ltsp, help me please
01:21
<NefariousAryq>
Yeah, cp -rf /from/directory/ /to/directory/
01:22
<joebob777as7>
how do you make it autorun at login? what directories?
01:22
<NefariousAryq>
and I run the script from my .xession file -- but I use slackware, not Ubuntu, so Im not positive where to tell you to put the script.
01:22
Bhaskar: I dont use sound in my installation of LTSP, so I cant be of help, sorry. :(
01:23
<Bhaskar>
Anybody is ready to help me ?
01:23
<joebob777as7>
also is there an easy way to log all web traffic in a hidden file that just logs sites visited by each user? as well as blacklisting?
01:24
Bhaskar: sorry i don't know either...
01:24
<Bhaskar>
joebob777as7, it's ok
01:25
Any friend, have u configure sound in k12ltsp??
01:28
<NefariousAryq>
joe: For your logging of web traffic, you're gonna need to run some sort of proxy, I believe. A quick search lead me to this FAQ ont he k12ltsp site: http://www.k12ltsp.org/faq.html#filter
01:31
<joebob777as7>
ok that looks cool i'll check into it
01:32
do you know anything about my error with initially created logins? i'll copy it again
01:32
"when i've created a user i set the password to never expire and when I go to log in from a thin client to the server it disconnects due to an expired password so i have to log in initially on the server for every user..."
01:37
<NefariousAryq>
Hrmmm, no, cant say I know about that one. I dont ahve that problem with Slackware.
01:39
<joebob777as7>
now being a linux babe (2 months old) what's the difference with slackware and ubuntu? i just chose to use ubuntu because I read all the cool things that are going on with it... why did you choose slackware?
01:40
<NefariousAryq>
Its just the distro I first learned Linux on, way back in the day, and I'm set in my ways. :) Ubuntu's a great distro, I run it on my laptop, and I've even thought about trying it out on one of my LTSPserver's... just never gotten around to it. :)
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<NefariousAryq>
Though, since you are using yours in a school environment, perhaps you should look into k12ltsp. I believe its built for that exact purpose.
01:41
But it sounds like you're doing pretty well, for only playing with linux for 2mo. :)
01:43
<joebob777as7>
I'm a computer business owner here in oregon. I'm 20 and been using windows pc's as an admin for 9 years. I love linux though and have been trying to learn all I can. ;)
01:44
I've looked at k12ltsp but for ubuntu sake I just installed it with apt and I didn't see any real advantage with k12ltsp... is there a big difference? I can install the teachertool on my ubuntu box
01:46
<NefariousAryq>
Cant say, never used it, I've just heard people talk about it. Ubuntu is pretty d*mn sweet though, like I said, I love it on my Laptop, dual-boot, when I dont need to be in Photoshop or InDesign... Its fantastic.
01:48
<joebob777as7>
yeah i'm the same way i just can't do without photoshop. I've gotten into indesign a little but I keep going back to photoshop to do a lot of it because I am much more comfortable with it. I tried to design some logo's in indesign and just got frusterated so I did it in photoshop in no time...
01:48
<NefariousAryq>
Yeah, Photoshop all the way for that sort of thing, but when I need to do page layout, love the InDesign.
01:50
Its late, I gotta run -- good luck, joebob!
01:50
<joebob777as7>
me too thanks a bunch
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03:31
<Bhaskar>
Anyone is there?
03:31
gentgeen__, can u help me?
03:32
parsley, hello
03:33
Novell, ogra parsley pipedrea1 ,Lumiere all are sleeping?
03:34
Lumiere, i think u are there ya?
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<Bhaskar>
slam, hello
04:27
slam, can u help me?
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08:39
<pscheie>
morning all
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09:03
<cr3>
hi folks, I'm experiencing problems logging in on ubuntu edgy which uses ltsp 0.124. gdm appears but, when I attempt to login, the x session seems to be restarted and I'm thrown back to gdm.
09:03
the system used to work but something changed which broke it, perhaps this might be related to fuse?
09:04
I know I reinstalled fuse-utils, so perhaps it needs special ownership and permissions different from the default installation
09:05
when I tail files under /var/log on the ltsp server, nothing appears
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09:08
<pscheie>
Is fuse used for anything besides local device access?
09:08
getting kicked out after logging in sounds like a permissions issue, x can't create files it needs
09:09
okay, that was bizarre, everyone leaving then rejoining
09:09
<cr3>
pscheie: maybe they left because I need a shower? :)
09:09
pscheie: how can I determine what permissions might be wrong?
09:10
<pscheie>
perhaps, but then why did they all come back? ;-)
09:10
do you see anything in /var/log/messages?
09:10
what version of ltsp are you using?
09:12
<cr3>
pscheie: aha! wait a sec, I think I found the problem in /var/log/ldm.log from the client
09:12
pscheie: aha! I found the problem, I had changed sshd_config to disallow password logins!
09:13
pscheie: yet, the user's authorized_keys is the same as his id_rsa.pub, so he should be able to at least perform passphrase authentication
09:14
however, that probably needs a special configuration for ltsp, right?
09:15
<pscheie>
I think so
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09:41
<cliebow_>
ogra:got a link for feisty iso edubtu??
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09:50
<cr3>
cliebow_: oh, good question, I'd like one of those too
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09:54
<tomcats2>
vagrantc, you there?
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09:55
<cliebow_>
cr3:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070406/
09:56
<vagrantc>
tomcats2: what do you need ?:)
09:58
<tomcats2>
vagrantc, not much is just that our thinclient based callcenter is been up an running for about 5 months and never got a chance to thank you and everyone at #ltsp for your help. We didn't actually use ltsp but the help was of much use.
10:01
<vagrantc>
tomcats2: glad to be helpful :)
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<paavum>
Hello
10:10
anybody here?
10:10
<vagrantc>
nobody here, no.
10:10
<paavum>
hrmmmm
10:10
<cliebow_>
not me
10:10
<paavum>
these bots just keep getting smarter
10:10
:P
10:11
<cliebow_>
calling us bots ayyyh?
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10:11
<paavum>
I'm running ltsp on old machines (Pentium II), with small memory (128 Mb)... which DE would be the best choice for performance?
10:12
all they will do is use firefox and ocassionally openoffice
10:12
I went with ICEWM but it sucks badly
10:12* vagrantc doesn't mention icewm
10:12
<vagrantc>
xfce ?
10:12
aewm ?
10:12
<pscheie>
what's wrong with icewm?
10:13
<vagrantc>
yeah!
10:13
<paavum>
pscheie ... I couldn't get the menus working
10:13
<vagrantc>
icewm is really simple to configure menus ... ?
10:13
<pscheie>
they're all text files
10:13
and there are a couple of gui menu editing tools for it
10:14
iceme, can't remember the other one
10:14
<paavum>
hrmmm and how can I get icewm translated to spanish?
10:14
<cliebow_>
paavum:icewm rocks
10:14
<paavum>
I couldnt find the es file
10:15
<pscheie>
since the menus just display what's written in the config files, you just use spanish in the labels in those config files
10:15
IOW, you end up doing the translation
10:16
as you customize
10:16
<cliebow_>
paavum:im running icewm on 32 bit clients..with nautilus
10:16
<pscheie>
nautilus is only needed for desktop icons
10:16
if you can do without those, the footprint of icewm is really small
10:16
better than xfce I think
10:17
<vagrantc>
paavum: what linux distro?
10:17
<paavum>
and which office suite will perform best? OO is a bit heavy, isnt it?
10:17
vagrantc .. FC5
10:18
<vagrantc>
ah, i found out how to localize icewm on debian, but it's debian-specific stuff
10:19
i remembered it could be done, as i helped ship a bunch of computers to ecuador once :)
10:20
<paavum>
hrmmm
10:20
I guess its time to RTFM :(
10:21
<tomcats2>
psceie: I would use idesk instead for desktop icons
10:22
<vagrantc>
rox-filer is pretty nice, too.
10:30
<Lumiere>
I wouldn't use desktop icons at all...
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10:32
<cliebow_>
Steve!!!!!!
10:33
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: you should add that to the !s macro
10:33
<cliebow_>
i am afraid of junking it up
10:34
<vagrantc>
as if it isn't already crazy.
10:34
<cliebow_>
i dont want Lumiere to hit me with a candlestick
10:34
<dan__t>
hi
10:34
<cliebow_>
ho!
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10:39
<pscheie>
tomcats2: yeah, I looked into idesk a year or two ago
10:39
<Lumiere>
one of these days
10:39
I am going to automate that
10:39
<pscheie>
xfce now has desktop icons
10:40
<Lumiere>
nice wallpaper >>> desktop icons
10:40
<cliebow_>
ohhh..i need to look..
10:40
<pscheie>
but it may take more resources than icewm
10:41
users will use what's given; I think desktop icons are over-rated
10:41
<cliebow_>
not more than icewm/nautilus...and that works fine on 32 meg clients
10:41
<pscheie>
but what about on server?
10:41* vagrantc is unphased
10:41
<pscheie>
taking nautilus out on a low-end server can make a difference
10:42
<cliebow_>
i pscheie: i regularly serve 30 sometimes 40
10:42
<pscheie>
cliebow_: yeah, but what kind of server?
10:42
<cliebow_>
it made a big difference to have icons in this penguophobic environment
10:43
dual opteron with 4 gig..
10:43
<pscheie>
with that, I'd think gnome or kde would be fine, too
10:51
<cliebow_>
i tried all sorts of stuff..this works nicely
10:51
but xfce bears looking at
10:51
<PMantis>
cliebow, Hi there!
10:51
<cliebow_>
How goes the battle?
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<pscheie>
I was using xubuntu on my laptop for a while
10:53
but had trouble with the touchpad scrolling across the multiple destkops unexpectedly
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<cliebow_>
asdf
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<stillflame>
aoeu
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<NefariousAryq>
Hey folks, having a problem with local apps... I had this all working before with Slackware 10 and LTSP4, but I've since reinstalled Slack11 and LTSP 4.2, so I've obviously missed something... When I manually try to SSH into my terminal from the server (as that terminals userid), its requesting a password. These users have no password, as they are set to auto login, one userid per terminal. Cant for the life of me figure
16:10
<stillflame>
NefariousAryq: do the terminal accounts have ssh keys you could use to login with? (/me doesn't use ltsp < 5, though)
16:11
<vagrantc>
stillflame: how is ltsp5 treating you?
16:11
<stillflame>
vagrantc: great! the cafe went live with it yesterday without a hitch.
16:12
<vagrantc>
stillflame: red & black?
16:12
<stillflame>
chance of rain
16:12
r&b is next
16:12
<vagrantc>
"the cafe" :P
16:12
<stillflame>
right.
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<NefariousAryq>
stillframe: Ahhh, I just got it, I forgot to re-run "make" in /var/yp after I added this new account. *shakes head at self*
16:13
<vagrantc>
stillflame: so, when you gonna port ltsp5 to gentoo?
16:13
<NefariousAryq>
Looks like it'll work fine now :)
16:13
<stillflame>
vagrantc: that doesn't sound too hard - how much interest is there in it?
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<vagrantc>
stillflame: there's a few people who've put some work into it already
16:14
such as dberkholz
16:14
<stillflame>
hrm.
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<NefariousAryq>
Whats the big advantage of 5 over 4.2?
16:15
if I may ask :)
16:15
<stillflame>
my ebuild-making skills are about on par with my deb-making skills these days.
16:15
NefariousAryq: OS-based handling of software installation on the terminals.
16:15
<vagrantc>
NefariousAryq: it uses the conventions of you host distro
16:16
i.e. ltsp5 on a debian system will behave like a debian system.
16:16
for the most part
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<NefariousAryq>
Ohhh. Nice. If I were smarter, I'd help with the Slackware port... but alas... I barely get by sometimes. lol ;)
16:20
but if anyone is working on one, I'd be glad to help. I love me some slackware. :) hehe.
16:21
<vagrantc>
slackware has been mentioned...
16:21
!integration
16:21
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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<NefariousAryq>
When running local applications, is one way better than another to do it? Putting all the files/binaries/libraries in /opt/ltsp/i386 ... or putting them on, say, a usb flash drive, and running them that way?
16:29
Or is that a dumb question :)
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<vagrantc>
i would say put them all in /opt/ltsp/i386, because then you have a single point of maintenance for all your machines.
16:32
<NefariousAryq>
I see theres a nice Wiki page about running Firefox locally now... thats great. Thats really the only one im interested in. that and my window manager, IceWM
16:32
<vagrantc>
this is the sort of thing that is much easier to do with ltsp5
16:32
if you're running everything locally
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<NefariousAryq>
As it is now, it works great... Its just that when we have all 18 of our photo viewing stations in use by customers, and the server is using ImageMagick to make new thumbnails (very processor intensive), things start to slow down. So if I could toss firefox off be ran locally... I def think that would help.
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<dberkholz>
stillflame: yes, hi there.
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<NefariousAryq>
Has anyone setup IceWM as a local application?
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<dberkholz>
hm, for some reason my irc logging seems to have stopped
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
21:51* vagrantc gives sbalneav an obligator but heart-felt greeting
21:51
<sbalneav>
Hey vagrantc!
21:52
How's things going?
21:52* vagrantc gives a y too
21:52
<vagrantc>
i gots me a 4 day weekend! less 1 day for today...
21:53
<sbalneav>
Sounds like hacking time :)
21:53
I'm getting ready for Brazil.
21:54
Gotta write my speech this weekend.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: you should bust some fat rhymes.
21:58
<sbalneav>
Word.
22:00
heh, sound like couple of gangsta's
22:00
M.C. Beardy and Plain White Rapper :)
22:03
<vagrantc>
in the time it takes you to upgrade one fat client ... we have replaced your reliance ... with our thin client defiance!
22:04
<sbalneav>
LOL
22:04
They see us rollin'. They hatin', patrolling and try'n to catch us ridin diskless...
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<mistik1>
hey fellas
22:51
<sbalneav>
Hey mistik1
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
hey mistik1
22:59
how you guys doin ?
23:15
<dererk>
hi
23:16
I'm fighting with sound client-side stuff
23:16
not good, so far :P
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<Lumiere>
!paavum
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<ltspbot>
Lumiere: "paavum" is god
23:28
<Lumiere>
ltspbot: forget paavum
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<ltspbot>
Lumiere: The operation succeeded.
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