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Channel log from 23 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<wpgmb>
thin clients have sound, but no volume control. What do I need to change?
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<alkisg2>
!docu
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<ltspbot>
alkisg2: Error: "docu" is not a valid command.
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<alkisg2>
!doco
02:06
<ltspbot>
alkisg2: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<alkisg>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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<Hyperbyte>
vnc-ltsp-config rpm doesn't seem to work on Fedora 9 for me... when I VNC to the server all I get is a grey screen... any ideas what's going wrong?
05:45
<Appiah>
Anyone got a few pointers on how to "tweak" ltsp ? When all clients are connected some slowdowns occur , and I dont really wanna remove gnome and insert something smaller (Ice/Xfce/etc)
05:52
<Nubae>
Appiah: u can begin by making LDM_DIRECTX=True
05:52
that will make X accept requests directly, instead of via ssh (encryption slows stuff down)
05:59
<warren>
Hyperbyte: you likely need to reconfigure gdm to allow XDMCP
05:59
Hyperbyte: (search google for how)
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<Appiah>
Nubae: oh , did not now about that one
06:04
know*
06:06
<Hyperbyte>
warren: I did, added Enabled=True under [xdmcp] section in /etc/gdm/custom.conf...
06:06
warren: if gdm does xdmcp properly, should it listen on UDp port 177?
06:06
<warren>
Hyperbyte: it has been years since I have used XDMCP....
06:07
Hyperbyte: try turning off your firewall too
06:07
Hyperbyte: also there might be a separate "tcp" protocol thing turned off
06:07
Hyperbyte: did you restart gdm after editing the config?
06:08
<Hyperbyte>
warren: restarted the whole machine...
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06:13
<Hyperbyte>
warren: now that I have your ear, I have another question... in a previous version there was a root terminal in screen 2.. (CTRL+ALT+F2)...
06:13
<warren>
it should still be there unless you turned it off
06:14
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
06:14
I am turning it off by default soon.
06:14
<Hyperbyte>
Well it's definitely a different version I have...
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<Hyperbyte>
Before I had login screen with yellow letters and blue background... now I have login screen with gradient background and K12 Linux logo
06:15
Since then terminal disappeared...
06:15
SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf doesn't bring it back either.
06:15* warren tests it...
06:15
<warren>
what do you see if you CTRL-ALT-F1?
06:15
text?
06:15
<Hyperbyte>
Yep, startup stuf
06:15
*stuff
06:16
Nothing interactive.
06:16
<warren>
hold, testing it on my system
06:16
working here
06:16
<Hyperbyte>
SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf?
06:16
Is all?
06:17
<ogra>
no
06:17
you need at least a [default] section header
06:17
<warren>
your lts.conf is blank!?
06:18
<Hyperbyte>
Of course not
06:18
I meant SCREEN_02=shell is enough to get a shell in screen 2 normally...
06:18
<warren>
it is working here
06:18
are you sure your chroot is complete? try blowing it away and create a new one
06:19
<Hyperbyte>
http://www.recreatie-zorg.nl/lts.conf
06:22* Hyperbyte runs ltsp-build-client again
06:37
<Hyperbyte>
warren: still no terminal. :|
06:39
<warren>
I have no idea then
06:40
Hyperbyte: oh, one possibility is that it is failing to download lts.conf from the server and it is falling back to defaults
06:40
<ogra>
you should see inetd errors in the logs for tht though
06:41
or tftp ones
06:43
<Hyperbyte>
warren: anyway I can test if it reads lts.conf?
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<tostado>
hi
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<tostado>
i just realized the with ltsp, every process is ran on the server. i want to run some (cpu-intense) processes on the client itself, is this possible with ltsp ?
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<tostado>
or am a completely wrong with ltsp and have to look for another project
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<Hyperbyte>
tostado: very possible. Have a look at LTSP local apps.
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<tostado>
hyperbyte: where ?
07:22
<Hyperbyte>
If you enter LOCAL_APPS=Y in lts.conf you can use the command "ltsp-localapps <command>" to execute commands on the client
07:22
You could test this with "ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm", for example
07:23
<tostado>
ok, but how do i start a app from the server on a client ?
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<Hyperbyte>
Above command.
07:24
<tostado>
but the above command don't tell on WHICH client i want to start something
07:24
<Hyperbyte>
You execute the command on the client
07:25
<tostado>
ok, that i did understand, but how could i remotely (from the server) start an lokal app. on a certain client ?
07:25
<Hyperbyte>
That I don't know.
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<tostado>
can i "login" from the server to a client ? running ssh local on a client?
07:26
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not an expert on LTSP, only started using it a few weeks ago. :)
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<sep>
tostado, if you have a password set in your chroot and run ssh on the client yes
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<tostado>
ok, that was maybe what i was looking for. with ssh i than can start local appl. on the clients, i hope
07:29
<sep>
tostado, without a clue to how it works i would assume you run that command from a grafical login on the client. so when you run it in X on the server it would check what client you are on and run it there..... ?
07:30
<tostado>
hmm.... don't understand
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<tostado>
I'm maybe still a bit confused how ltsp works, i was looking for a solution where EVERYTHING runs on the clients, because i have quadcore cpus on the clients to do the hard work....
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<ogra>
tostado, wait for Nubae to show up, he has a howto for fat clients
07:32
<tostado>
so maybe i will think it all over and look for an alternative. because it seems it is possible with ltsp but looks like it's not invented to do so
07:33
ok!
07:33
anyway, what a cool project if anyone is involved in it !
07:34
<ogra>
sep, the latest ltsp releases (lenny, intrepid and FC10) all have a new localapp infrastructure by default preinstalled, you only need to install the app inside the chroot and create a special .desktop file ...
07:34
<sep>
ogra, awsome, must be tested.
07:35
<ogra>
documented first :)
07:35
<sep>
:)
07:35
<ogra>
i dont think we have proper docs for it yet and not all distros install the server side script in the same places
07:36
(ubuntu ships it in the doc examples, fedora just installs it etc)
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<tostado>
if i want local apps, would it be good if i switch to interpid i.e. bacause of the new localapp infrastructure
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<highvoltage>
ogra: so hardy doesn't have that, right?
07:40
<ogra>
right
07:40
<highvoltage>
ok
07:40
<ogra>
intrepid does
07:40
hardy essentially only has gutsy ltsp with some small changes
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<tostado>
Hyperbyte: I dont't have "ltsp-localapps"
08:01
i put LOCAL_APPS=true in lts.conf, rebooted the client but i cant find ltsp-localapps
08:02
<johnny>
it might have the trunk before the name change
08:02
it might still be xrexecd
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<tostado>
nope. even no xrexecd here. i have a fresh install of ubunut hardy ltsp server
08:03
<johnny>
no.. it's not on hardy at all
08:03
<tostado>
ok...
08:03
:(
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<johnny>
it wasn't even done by the time hardy was released
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<tostado>
ok. i will try intrepid
08:03
<johnny>
and it's still relatively hard to use in intrepid
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<johnny>
you have to modify the .desktop files yourself
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08:04* ogra will wrie up a howto once he has time
08:04
<tostado>
or could anyone recommend another project which lets the clients run everything ?
08:04
<ogra>
*write
08:04
<johnny>
tostado, local apps isn't for the clients running everything
08:04
<ogra>
tostado, as i said, Nubae wrote a plugin
08:04
<johnny>
it's for the client running some things
08:05
<ogra>
right
08:05
<johnny>
everything.. yes.. nubae did the fat client stuff
08:05
<ogra>
what you want are fat clients
08:05
<tostado>
yip
08:05
ok. i will wait for him. does he show up often ?
08:05
i need to go ahead...
08:05
<ogra>
usually every day
08:05
<tostado>
ok
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<jammcq>
g'morning friends
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<Blinny>
Morning
08:41
<cliebow>
jammcq:!!!
08:46
<jammcq>
hey chuck
08:46
hey Blinny
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:48
jammcq: davidj popped in last night to say he wouldn't be at BTS
08:48
<jammcq>
oh?
08:48
hmm
08:48
<Nubae>
greets...
08:48
<jammcq>
oh, btw, Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
hehe
08:49
<Nubae>
tostado... there's a plugin here: http://nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid
08:50
<sbalneav>
Nubae: if it's a plugin, should we commit it upstream, and it becomes part of LTSP?
08:50
!doco
08:50
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:50
<Nubae>
and a howto if u wanna do it from scratch with ldap here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
08:51
sbalneav: yes
08:51
should probably be a part of jaunty I guess
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<Nubae>
its ubuntu specific
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<ogra>
sbalneav, it requies ldap setup and tinkers with /etc/sudoers etc
08:55
<sbalneav>
Doesn't mean we can't have the plugin THERE, does it? :)
08:56
<johnny>
Nubae, you should describe in that post exactly what you get out of those
08:56
Nubae, btw.. it's completely feasible to make some clients fat, and some thin, and some lowfat
08:57
<ogra>
sbalneav, i was initially thinking to put it in the extra-plugins in the package, but missed due to being to busy with mobile stuff
08:57
<johnny>
on ubuntu/debian and any other distro that does lts.conf in the chroot
08:57
altho.. we would need some more lts.conf vars
08:57
<ogra>
sbalneav, as the mythbuntu one which isnt less evil
08:57
<babyhuey>
how would i go about setting a program to start when X starts, and not gnome or whatever, just regular X
08:58
<sbalneav>
Oh, I'm not saying it has to go in RFN, just that we should get it there eventually, since it's something that people sometimes want.
08:58
<ogra>
sbalneav, right
08:58
sbalneav, but since its relying on ubuntu technology it needs to go into the package
08:58
it *is* on the wiki already though
09:00
<Blinny>
babyhuey: You mean when ldm fires?
09:03
<babyhuey>
yea
09:04
<Nubae>
Nubae: whatcha mean exactly what u get? u mean the programs installed by default?
09:04
I'd hope people can read the script and see that for themselves, otherwise they dont really have business installing it
09:05
<johnny>
Nubae, sure.. but maybe people wanna know if it's right for them before trying to download a random script :)
09:05
including myself :)
09:05
<Nubae>
:p
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<Nubae>
well, u can change the script quite easily to adapt to whatever packages u want, but I shall ad a list of packages to the post
09:07
I keep seeing people wanting to run thin terminals on machines with less than 64mb.... what kind of solutions have we got for them?
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<ogra>
Nubae, switch to XDMCP ...
09:08
and disable *all* features
09:08
<sbalneav>
yep
09:09
<ogra>
SOUND=False, LOCALDEV=False, SCREEN_07=xdmcp
09:09
<Nubae>
so xdmcp needs less ram?
09:09
<ogra>
in intrepid that should fly ... with compcache by default you should even be able to use that with 48M
09:10
it doesnt run ldm locally, ldm uses abotu 8M
09:10
<johnny>
it'd be nice if you could somehow discard ldm
09:10
after log in
09:10
<Nubae>
ahhh... now I get it
09:10
<ogra>
depending on the theme even more
09:10
<sbalneav>
discard ldm?
09:10
<johnny>
so it doesn't stay resident
09:10
<sbalneav>
It's not very big
09:11
<Nubae>
so changing WM should also help right?
09:11
<johnny>
8M is alot on 64..
09:11
<ogra>
the greeter dies after login
09:11
<sbalneav>
ldm itself is very small. The greeter (which is the graphical bit) exits
09:11
<ogra>
so the ram intensice parts are hone
09:11
*gone
09:11
<johnny>
oh ok
09:11
<ogra>
*intensive
09:11
<johnny>
not sure why you mentioned that it uses 8m then?
09:11
because it shoudldn't matter
09:12
<ogra>
because you need to boot your 64M client first :)
09:12
<sbalneav>
greeter needs about 8 megs
09:12
<Nubae>
heh
09:12
<johnny>
so.. what else is using up all the ram then?
09:12
<Nubae>
gnome
09:12
<johnny>
Nubae, he said before log in
09:12
<Nubae>
?
09:12
<johnny>
just booting
09:12
<ogra>
pulse takes 4M i think, greeter 8M ... localdev about 2M in sum
09:13
<johnny>
sure.. but that's only 12 :)
09:13
err
09:13
14
09:13
<ogra>
learn counting :P
09:13
<Nubae>
he ran out of fingers ;-)
09:13
<ogra>
lol
09:13
<sbalneav>
X takes about 32
09:13
kernel takes at least 4
09:13
<ogra>
more
09:14
<johnny>
maybe a stripped down kernel would help then?
09:14
<Nubae>
hmmm, be nice to document that somewhere... its nice to know
09:14
<sbalneav>
other bits (udev, etc)
09:14
<ogra>
depends on the HW your client has and the modules that are loded
09:14
<sbalneav>
right
09:14
<ogra>
dbus, hal
09:14
<johnny>
ogra, that's only in intrepid :)
09:14
<sbalneav>
yep, it all costs
09:14
<johnny>
maybe a chroot compiled against uclibc?
09:14
<ogra>
ugh
09:15
johnny, want to maintain that for five distros ?
09:15
that would get us back to ltsp4
09:15
<johnny>
well on gentoo it's only a few extra commands ;)
09:15
<Nubae>
johnny: don't cross to the dark side...
09:15
<sbalneav>
and another 64 hours
09:15
<johnny>
sbalneav, lol
09:16
cgroups in the kernel was screwing me up over the summer
09:16* Nubae hopes gentoo is not gonna go the kiwi way
09:16
<johnny>
Nubae, do you know how we do it now?
09:16
<Nubae>
no
09:16
I'm hoping like the other distros
09:16
<johnny>
an app called quickstart, which is an automated installer
09:17
Nubae, closer to how warren does it
09:17
except quickstart does more
09:17
<Nubae>
ok
09:17
right we spoke about this, took a look at quickstart
09:17
<sbalneav>
The simple fact of the matter is, everything in Linux land is using more ram, and by extention, since we use everything from linuxland, we're using more ram too.
09:17
<johnny>
Nubae, it's just that i could add two commands to build against uclibc
09:17
<Nubae>
yeah, but we loose a lot of users who have massive setups to ltsp 4
09:18
they go backwards cause of this stuff
09:18
<johnny>
cross-dev -t i386-pc-linux-uclibc and then set that in the quickstart profile
09:18
and that's all it should theoretically take
09:18
<Nubae>
ah ok
09:19
<johnny>
Nubae, of course you can also use it to build powerpc chroots that way too
09:19
or arm..
09:19
or whatever..
09:19
<Nubae>
hmmm arm, really?
09:20
<johnny>
sure.. why not?
09:20
<sbalneav>
Nubae: But we'll boot with 64 megs, and NBD_SWAP on
09:20
<johnny>
whatever is supported by gcc and glibc should work
09:20
then it's just up the the programs
09:20
<Nubae>
just for the kernel then?
09:20
<johnny>
huh?
09:20
<Nubae>
well, can u get the programs to support arm in the same way?
09:21
<johnny>
depends on the program :)
09:21
<Nubae>
interesting project...
09:21
<johnny>
obviously anything that runs on the various arm devices out there
09:21
which is alot
09:21
openmoko requires almost everything an ltsp chroot requires
09:22
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "Intrepid ltsp client memory usage" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/70
09:22
<alkisg>
^^^ ps aux in a client
09:23
<johnny>
some of those are obviously too big for what they actually do
09:24
<sbalneav>
I suspect the reason why ldmgtkgreet's so friggin big is due to the massive background image.
09:24
Wonder if we shouldn't have an option to have the background be a gradient.
09:24
<alkisg>
ldmgreeter could be very smaller if it was using plain X... but who has the stomach for this? :P
09:25
<sbalneav>
I got a mini greeter half started.
09:25
<johnny>
sbalneav, i saw a program that was simply ssh-askpass full screen
09:25
<sbalneav>
I'd be willing to tackle a low end greeter, but first, I'd like to see what having a background gradient would do.
09:26
I bet you'd cut down the ram by half
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<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "ldmgreeter pmap" (186 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/71
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<alkisg>
1376K r-x-- /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.8.90.so
09:27
...and more below
09:27
3668K r-x-- /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1400.3
09:27
But I think without libc, glib and gtk it will be much harder...
09:28
<sbalneav>
Just an excercise in programming :)
09:29* cliebow sbalneav no has enough exercise already?
09:29
<alkisg>
I wish I had time to try it, I'd like the experience!
09:29
<Nubae>
20mg is indeed a lot
09:30
<sbalneav>
Looks like the greeter itself is the biggest item by far.
09:30
<Nubae>
suppose that is good news then
09:31
<sbalneav>
Sure. The greeter's kind of "the least important" part of LDM.
09:31
i.e. it's just bling and an entry box
09:31
If we come up with a lower spec greeter, that might solve a lot of problems
09:32
<johnny>
sbalneav, that's what i said about you the other day :)
09:32
hehe
09:32
<sbalneav>
What, that I'm just bling and an entry box, or the least important part of this project? :)
09:32
<johnny>
the bling part
09:32
<sbalneav>
heh
09:33
<Nubae>
hobo bling
09:33
<sbalneav>
Man, if you think *I*'m blingy, boy are YOUR standards low. :)
09:33
<Nubae>
heh, thats in the slang dictionary
09:33
<johnny>
<ignore>or sarah palin</ignore>
09:33
<sbalneav>
After 17 years of Marriage, I don't even wear a watch or a wedding ring. :)
09:34
<Nubae>
hobo bling = cheap fake jewellery
09:34
funny word
09:34
<alkisg>
sbalneav, I did the same thing 17 hours after my marriage... :P
09:34
<cliebow>
flare
09:34
<alkisg>
[newbie]What does console-kit-daemon do?[/newbie]
09:34
<cliebow>
;-]
09:34
<johnny>
alkisg, it was originally designed to manage multiseat installs
09:34
but it never achieved that goal..
09:35
<cliebow>
sbalneav: i got a red stapler now!
09:35
<johnny>
and then policykit came in the mix and screwed it up even more..
09:35
<alkisg>
Is it needed on single user systems? (like ltsp clients)
09:35
<johnny>
alkisg, yes..
09:35
<alkisg>
:(
09:35
<sbalneav>
cdpinger's also a little bigger than it needs to be, as we're using glib. We could slim that down by a meg, too.
09:35
<johnny>
if you're using gnome ..
09:35
<cliebow>
course my first name IS Milton
09:36
<sbalneav>
Really, with the exception of the greeter, all our stuff's pretty small.
09:36
<johnny>
alkisg, there'd probably be a way to force feed anything that asks consolekit for info by just returning static information, but it's prolly not worth the hassle
09:37
<alkisg>
johnny, I just saw 8M and though to dump it... ignore me! ;)
09:37
<sbalneav>
So, going on the principle of "biggest gains first", I'd say a low fat greeter's the place to start.
09:37
I'll pull out my "X Intrinsics toolkit" book tonight. :)
09:37* johnny wants to hang out with sbalneav .. that cat sure seems like a load of fun
09:37
<alkisg>
sbalneav, if it's already doable with xdmcp, is it worth it?
09:38
<sbalneav>
We might want to use something like Xaw, a low end toolkit, to help us (athena widgets)
09:38
alkisg: Well, with xdmcp, you loose sound and localdevs
09:38
<alkisg>
ah, right
09:39
<sbalneav>
I mean, you get the ram BACK after the greeter executes, but it doesn't help you if the box runs out of ram bringing up the greeter.
09:40
<cliebow>
my clients are so low they have negative ram
09:40
<johnny>
sbalneav, what about a cli version of the greeter? and skip the graphical altogether?
09:40
just the username and password prompt
09:40
<sbalneav>
this is just code grinding. It's what I'm good at. I suck at packaging, and policy, and filling out APARS and SRU's and all that bookwork stuff. But coding stuff in C? That I can do.
09:40
<johnny>
do people really need anything else ultimately?
09:40
<sbalneav>
Well, you're going to want X anyway, and it's started anyway.
09:41* jammcq thinks there's some merit in the idea of a non-gui login screen
09:41
<sbalneav>
60% of LTSP these days is all packaging.
09:41
<johnny>
sure. but it would mean less work than trying to lower the greeter
09:41
scripting task more than a coding task i guess
09:42
<jammcq>
these days, the line between scripting and coding is pretty blurry
09:42
<Nubae>
well we might as well go for a non gui thin client too :-)
09:42
<jammcq>
Nubae: we had that in ltsp-4x
09:42
<johnny>
Nubae, that's just ssh :)
09:43
<Nubae>
well, I was thinking a little nicer, like menu style
09:43
press 1 for web, press 2 for email, 3 for chat
09:43
etc
09:43
then we can boast ltsp 5 runs on 386s...
09:44
heh
09:44
<jammcq>
sound alot like "Press 1 for sales, 2 for servers ..."
09:44
<johnny>
i wonder if anybody has come up with a curses interface to creating odf docs..
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09:44
<Nubae>
lol
09:44
<jammcq>
err, 'service' :)
09:44
<Nubae>
I'd be hitting 2 all the time... give me more servers
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09:47
<alkisg>
Nubae, I tried to run another SDL app in a thin client (super mario), it didn't use 100% CPU like tuxpaint, but it was *really* slow (like, 0.1 fps)
09:48
So I guest it's an SDL issue... I tried strace with tuxpaint, and I got a loop of nanowait / resource not available
09:48
<Nubae>
alkisg: I'm not surprised... but was it actively using SDL? what graphics chipset?
09:48
<alkisg>
Virtualbox client...
09:48
<Nubae>
oh
09:49
<alkisg>
In other apps it's ok
09:49
<Nubae>
so 3d acceleration works?
09:49
<alkisg>
I'm not sure, let me check
09:50
<sbalneav>
Heading over to the criminal law office. AFK for a bit.
09:52
<alkisg>
glxinfo returns that some extensions are available... what am I looking for?
09:53
<ogra>
sbalneav, to cut down the greeter by half in ram usage, you just need to drop themeing and font aliasing
09:53
i.e. dont provde a gtkrc, make sure your fontconfig defaults to stairstepped fonts
09:54
<Nubae>
alkisg: run glxgears
09:54
see if it runs ok
09:54
<alkisg>
Nubae, it runs *very* slow, but reports 1000+ fps!!!
09:54
<Nubae>
heh, so fast u cant even see it I suppose
09:55
well... then accelration works, so SDL should... definitely a problem with SDL then
09:55
which is bad... because I doubt there is much will to change that beast
09:56
<alkisg>
Maybe it's a polling think, which can be tweaked for a good CPU/performance ratio
09:56
(I'm thinking about all these nanowaits)
09:56
<Nubae>
maybe we need to read up on SDL and how it does what it does
09:57
<alkisg>
...too many things to do, too little time :(
09:57
<Nubae>
indeed
10:11
<ogra>
alkisg, make sure to not have something like nvidia or fglrx installed on the server, that will break things heavily
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10:12
<ogra>
both replace the X GL libs
10:12
<alkisg>
ogra, really? :(
10:12
so servers with nvidia cards should be operated with nv driver?
10:12
<ogra>
yes ... and both use hardcoded stuff in their implementations that points to their drivers
10:13
yes, as long as you want GL on the clients
10:13
closed drivers are evil :)
10:13
<alkisg>
duh... thanks!
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10:14
<tostado>
nubae: i followed your howto, booted the client but still the apps are run on the server
10:15
is there anything i need to do afterwards ?
10:16
<Nubae>
tostado: did u change dhcpd.conf to use the new chroot?
10:17
<tostado>
yip
10:17
rebooted the server too
10:17
<Nubae>
and restarted dhcp?
10:17
hmm... paste me your dhcpd.conf file
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<Nubae>
check to see u have the right chroots in /opt/ltsp too
10:18
if u followed the howto and made it fati386, u should have /opt/ltsp/fati386
10:19
<ltsppbot>
"tost." pasted "fat client" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/72
10:19
<tostado>
nubae: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/72
10:20
<Nubae>
well, for one, u have /opt/ltsp/amd64fat, and then /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg
10:20
not fat missing from second one
10:21
also.. instead of uncommenting all of that, replicate it exactly and replace i386 in all instances with the name of chroot
10:21
<tostado>
ah
10:22
<Nubae>
also set get-lease-hostnames to true and add an entry for pncl1 in /etc/hosts
10:27
<tostado>
ok
10:29
ok, now it looks different
10:29
filename is /ltsp/amd64fat/nbi.img
10:29
is this right ?
10:30
<Nubae>
paste me your dhcpd.conf
10:30
<tostado>
while booting it hangs at "starting bluetooth"
10:31
<ltsppbot>
"tost." pasted "fat client" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/73
10:31
<Nubae>
ah, the bluetooth thing... I'll take that out... only happens with hardy
10:32
for now though, so u dont have to reinstall your entire client... go into the chroot and remove bluetooth
10:32
<tostado>
how can i fix it ß
10:32
<Nubae>
so do chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64fat
10:32
and then apt-get remove bluetooth
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10:34
<Nubae>
then exit and rebuild the chroot like ltsp-update-image --b /opt/ltsp --a amd64fat
10:38
<tostado>
hmm.... there is no bluetooth package
10:38
just libbluetooth2 i.e.
10:39
when i remove it i would remove 20 packages depending on it, i.e. totem
10:39
but in /etc/default/bluetooth i can disable it
10:39
would that do it too ?
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10:42
<Nubae>
disable it
10:42
see if that works
10:42
remember to rebuild after
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<tostado>
ok, not bluetooth is being started
10:48
but now it hangs at "Starting GNOME display manager"
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<Nubae>
k... try adding a .sh script to start gdm later on...
10:50
something like a #!/bin/bash
10:50
followed by:
10:51
/usr/sbin/gdm start
10:52
and add a variable to lts.conf that looks like this: RC_FILE01=/path/to/file/
10:54
johnny: http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid
10:54
happy now?
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<tostado>
ok, should i rebuild the image again ?
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<Nubae>
yeah
10:57
should work now
10:57
<tostado>
?
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<Nubae>
after uve rebuild the image
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<tostado>
> Creating little endian 3.1 filesystem on......
10:59
does it always take so long ?
10:59
like 2 minutes ?
10:59
<johnny>
yes
10:59
it has to compress everything
10:59
<tostado>
:(
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11:00
<johnny>
well you wont' be updated it often, so it's not that big of a deal
11:00
<tostado>
ok
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<Nubae>
right, I'll build your beta testing into script, so other people wont have to go through that ;-)
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11:07
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hello, whats the meaning of ndb_swap? specifically 'ndb' ?
11:07
<johnny>
nbd
11:07
network block device
11:08
it's the same thing that is used by ltsp itself on ubuntu instead of nfs
11:09
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
johnny, so it means that is going to use a swap area but somewhere in the network
11:09
<tostado>
ok, gdm shows uo
11:09
<johnny>
yes
11:10
tostado, it's not gdm
11:10
<Nubae>
tostado: cool..
11:10
yes it is
11:10
fat client
11:10
<johnny>
oh..
11:10
silly fat clients
11:10
<tostado>
i have to go now...
11:10* johnny needs more ram for fat clients
11:10
<Nubae>
yeah they should be slimmer
11:10
tostado: ok, let me know how the experience goes
11:10
everything should work
11:10
<johnny>
i'll be happy with firefox and flash locally
11:10
that's all most folks use anyways
11:11
<tostado>
cant log in (no /home dir)
11:11
<Nubae>
sound, printing, usb sticks, flash, firefox, all works
11:11
tostado: did u set up nfs on the server?
11:11
<tostado>
no
11:11
i will do this later
11:11
i will let you know
11:11
<Nubae>
ah... it needs to have nfs installed on server and /etc/exports with a line or 2
11:11
yeah let me know
11:12
<tostado>
i'm in a hurry now
11:12
<Nubae>
ok
11:12
<tostado>
but big thanks for helping
11:12
looks like the way....
11:12
<Nubae>
its very close, just needs nfs on the server
11:12
no more rebuilding client
11:12
<tostado>
i'll be back in 2 days or so
11:12
cu
11:12
<Nubae>
ok
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11:13* Nubae always assumes people will do things like edit their dhcpd.conf and add necessary services on their own
11:13* Nubae assumes too much
11:13* Hyperbyte whistles innocently
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11:22
<Hyperbyte>
Is it possible to use the thin client's sound device from both the terminal environment and a local app at the same time?
11:22
Currently I'm having some trouble with "device in use" messages...
11:23
<Nubae>
what apps?
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11:26
<johnny>
Hyperbyte, depends on the app..
11:26
if they can talk to pulse it should work, but maybe you have to tell them to
11:26
<Hyperbyte>
twinkle softphone... seems to only support alsa
11:26
So I guess that means I'm out of luck?
11:26
<johnny>
padsp twinkle
11:27
if it works with oss
11:27
i think there's a similiar one for alsa..
11:27
you can add something that makes alsa use pulse in asoundrc
11:27
Hyperbyte, no.. not if you don't mind trying a few different things :)
11:29
Hyperbyte, in linux.. you're very rarely out of luck..
11:29
which is why we use it :)
11:31
<Hyperbyte>
Well, you don't have to convince me of that, I've been using Linux for a long time as server software...
11:31
But I have zero experience with things like X, alsa, etc... I'm in over my head a little. :P A little bit more than a little maybe.
11:32
I'm not having too much luck... twinkle is also giving me DCOPserver errors
11:35
<johnny>
aha.. it's qt/kde then?
11:36
<Hyperbyte>
No, Gnome...
11:37
<johnny>
dcop iirc is a kde technology..
11:37
<Hyperbyte>
I read that...
11:37
That only added to the confusion. :)
11:37
<johnny>
i don't know how to fix anything kde
11:38
<Hyperbyte>
Anyway, I printed your suggested to padsp... doesn't seem to work right away, but I'll have a good look at it tomorrow.
11:38
<johnny>
well there's probably a wrapper for alsa
11:38
<ogra>
use ekiga ?
11:38
<Hyperbyte>
Have to run now... late for a meeting.
11:38
<johnny>
yeah.. you could just use ekiga
11:38* johnny kicks ogra into bed
11:39
<Hyperbyte>
ekiga supports hold, transfers and everything?
11:39
Including attented transfer?
11:39
<ogra>
you wouldnt belive how much i'd love to
11:39* ogra yawns
11:39
<ogra>
no idea, but it works :)
11:39
<johnny>
ogra, we don't want you here.. we want you in bed :)
11:39* ogra uses it several times a week
11:40
<ogra>
johnny, lovely
11:40
<Hyperbyte>
johnny: that sounds dirty
11:40
<johnny>
lol
11:40* Hyperbyte runs
11:41
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks for all the suggestions so far... it's been lovely.
11:42
<Nubae>
is ogra ill?
11:42
<ogra>
Nubae, pre prelease desease
11:43
<johnny>
i need a new laptop :(
11:43
2 usb ports == NOT ENOUGH
11:43
<ogra>
get a dell mini ... :)
11:43
<johnny>
how many there? 4?
11:43
lol.. 4 is probably not enough..
11:43
i think i need 6 :)
11:43* ogra hands johnny a pocket hub
11:43
<Nubae>
jeez so by a usb hub
11:44
<johnny>
sure.. but then i have to carry that
11:44
and then .. many devices need a powered hub..
11:44
<ogra>
superglue !
11:44
<johnny>
which you get.. if they are onboard
11:44
<ogra>
glue it to your hand ...
11:45
<johnny>
but if they aren't. you need to use two plugs ;)
11:45
<ogra>
... you will see you dont have to *carry* it
11:45
<johnny>
i wonder if anybody sells a laptop adaptor that also powers a usb hub.. :)
11:45
that'd be neat..
11:45
especially when on the train for a long period of time..
11:46
<Nubae>
im sure they do
11:46
there is usb crap in all forms imaginable
11:46
<johnny>
yep
11:46
some good .. some bad
11:46
some weird..
11:46
<ogra>
you dont have power plugs on american trains ?
11:46
<Nubae>
some funny some sad
11:46
<johnny>
ogra.. many traisn have 1 outlet per seat
11:46* ogra shakes his head ... mumbles something about third world ...
11:47
<johnny>
many don't.. :)
11:47
<ogra>
ah
11:47
<johnny>
many have none :)
11:47
<Nubae>
they dont have health insurance over there either :p
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11:47
<Nubae>
and a stupid president
11:47
<johnny>
hopefully that will be remedied soon
11:47
<ogra>
but sexy, intelligent republican candidates
11:47
<johnny>
amtrak just got a big funding bill
11:47
passed
11:47
<ogra>
top of the edge
11:47
*g*
11:48
<johnny>
all the trains that go back into maintenance get outlets put in
11:48
they are gonna reopen two routes i think
11:48
<Nubae>
they just redid the u-bahns (underground) here so that its like one big long continuous train... so u can walk from one end to the other
11:48
<johnny>
ogra, most of the trains in the big corridors like in cali, the midwest, and on the east coast between virginia and boston do have outlets
11:49
for all passengers
11:49
<ogra>
nice
11:49
<johnny>
it's the long distance ones that have spotty coverage
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11:49
<ogra>
german trains have outlets and wlan :)
11:49
<johnny>
ours are about to
11:49
the maryland trains between baltimore and dc seem to have some wlan
11:49
business travelers obviously are making this happen
11:50
ogra, germany is small
11:50
it's hard to get any sort of coverage in the big empty areas
11:50
<Nubae>
its not that small
11:50
<johnny>
it's not *that* small :)
11:50
as you say
11:51
population density has a lot to do with it
11:51
<Nubae>
well not really... the tracks should have connectivity
11:51
<johnny>
the tracks are owned by freight train companies
11:51
<Nubae>
the train gets its net from there usually
11:51
<johnny>
except in the northeast
11:51
they don't need wlan
11:52
<Nubae>
wlan inside the train
11:52
<johnny>
amtrak just happens to share the lines
11:52
they haven't had near enough money to focus on anything like that
11:53
there's been a few different times
11:53
when we almost lost passenger service except in the corridors
11:53
flying was too easy for most
11:53
you could go across the country for $150-$300
11:54
<Nubae>
yeah nothing like a good recession to fix that
11:54
<johnny>
the equivalent train trip..
11:54
almost double
11:54
and would take 10x longer
11:54
<rw_ltsp>
anyone up for giving a little help with a ltsp nfs problem?
11:55
<Nubae>
yeah here too... a flight from Brussels to Spain, 90 €
11:55
who takes the train then
11:55
rw_ltsp: ask the question
11:56
<johnny>
Nubae, do you know how many hours it takes to cross the united states by train?
11:56
<rw_ltsp>
all the documentation I've found about my problem says to change the rsize and wsize of the nfs mount but when I change it in pxelinux.0/default it doesn't change it in the command
11:56
<Nubae>
johnny: no :-)
11:56
I took the train from Boston to New York once though
11:57
<johnny>
Nubae, 62 hours
11:57
<Nubae>
ouch, although that could be kinda cool
11:57
<johnny>
that's from here to Portland, OR
11:57
<Nubae>
an experience to remember
11:57
<rw_ltsp>
sorry, kinda started in the middle, basically, some of my clients are on older switches that don't support 32k udp blocks, so I need to reduce the size...want to go 1024
11:58
<johnny>
Nubae, i did it.. :) it was awesome
11:59
<rw_ltsp>
if I go to one of my working ltsp clients console and do a "mount |less" I see my nfs mount is 32k not the 1024 i specified in pxelinux.0/default
12:01
what I gues I'm asking is where can I change those mount options to have them actually do something?
12:02
<johnny>
nfs and not nbd ?
12:03
<rw_ltsp>
yes, as I understand it
12:03
<johnny>
depends..
12:03
ubuntu defaults to nbd
12:03
doesnt use nfs at all
12:03
<rw_ltsp>
i see, I"m on fc9
12:03
<johnny>
oh
12:04
then you probably have to edit the chroot
12:04
wherever warren sets the mount options
12:04
perhaps in the client's etc/fstab ?
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<rw_ltsp>
I thought that too, but I don't see it in the chroot fstab
12:05
<Nubae>
or in the /etc/exports of the server
12:05
<johnny>
yeah.. set it there
12:05
if possible
12:06
<rw_ltsp>
I just tried: /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash,wsize=1024,rsize=1024) -- nfs complains on restart
12:06
exportfs: /etc/exports:1: unknown keyword "wsize=1024"
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<Nubae>
u googled that I guess?
12:08
<rw_ltsp>
I'm kinda doing all this again as I go to make sure I didn't miss anything, but yes I've been googling at this all morning
12:10
<Nubae>
dude u have it set as ro
12:10
of course it cant do wsize then
12:11
set to rw and try again
12:11
<rw_ltsp>
same error
12:12
if I take out the wsize=1024, it errors on rsize=1024
12:12
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hello, where do I find the valid options for xkblayout?
12:13
<Nubae>
hmmm
12:13
<ogra>
gonzaloaf_laptop, xorg documentation
12:13
<Nubae>
maybe u can only set that in fstab
12:13
and not in exports
12:15
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
ogra, xorg.conf doesnt use the same name of the options than ltsp, or they do?
12:15
<rw_ltsp>
I can't find the file on server with the nfs mount int it
12:15
<ogra>
gonzaloaf_laptop, it does
12:15
but all capitalized
12:15
(in lts.conf)
12:15
<rw_ltsp>
it' snot in /etc/fstab or /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab
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<johnny>
the mount is probably in the initrd rw_ltsp
12:20
but i don't know anything about mkinitrd to tell lyou where to look
12:21
rw_ltsp, there are some fedora folks here who could help
12:21
<rw_ltsp>
hmm, i see.
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<Lns>
Isn't there a resident iTalc/LTSP expert here?
12:56
<Nubae>
yeah stgraber
12:56
why whats u're issue?
12:57
<Lns>
cool thx...no, no issues, I wanted to get some iTalc docs up on the wiki
12:57
wanted to see if there were any existing or not already
12:58
<stgraber>
Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc
13:00
<Lns>
stgraber: thanks - I saw this last night, but there's no ltsp info for it
13:00
<stgraber>
hmm, right.
13:00
<Lns>
any instructions on getting it going in a chroot?
13:00
<stgraber>
For LTSP, you basically need italc-master and italc-client on the server
13:00
italc-client in the chroot
13:01
matching /etc/italc/keys on both
13:01
and START_ITALC=True in lts.conf
13:01
<Lns>
ooo
13:01
nice
13:01
=)
13:01
ok.. i'll probably be installing it on my own network today, and i'll document the steps.
13:01
<stgraber>
that'll make iTalc run locally and tell the server not to start it and use the one on the thin client instead (using some xprop magic)
13:02
<Lns>
stgraber: so it's thinking it is still local even though it's on a thin client (which has a connection to the local x session on server) ?
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<Lns>
my terminology is off i think
13:03
<stgraber>
not exactly, in fact the ica-launcher script on the server checks if a xprop is set, if it's, it won't start ica on the server
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<stgraber>
then the italc-launcher script (teacher interface) will scan for the same property, if it's set it'll remotely connect to ica instead of using localhost
13:03
(-isdhost and -isdport parameters I implemented)
13:04
<Lns>
oh, ok
13:04
you're referring to ICA as in citrix protocol?
13:06
anyway, cool. I'll try and get it going. thx for the info
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<Lns>
stgraber: I'm assuming you're recommending for Hardy users to use your PPA at https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive to use iTalc at all?
13:14
<Nubae>
anyone here work with moodle?
13:14
<Lns>
Nubae: not yet :(
13:15
<alkisg>
Nubae, only as a user, didn't manage to install it (the school server has safemode = on)
13:17
<Nubae>
I'm battling trying to embed php into the wiki
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<Nubae>
I guess I'm gonna have to resort to building a damn plugin for it, which I really didnt want to do
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<six2one_>
i am totally going to look into iTALC
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13:26* Nubae smashes hammer against moodle repeatedly
13:27
<stgraber>
Lns: yes, I'll also need to upload new version of the package there
13:27
<Lns>
stgraber: should i wait for you to do that before attempting install?
13:28
<stgraber>
so you are working on doc using hardy ? with Intrepid everything is included (we should probably ask for a backport)
13:29
<alkisg>
Nubae, isn't the new nwiki engine that moodle uses about the same as mediawiki? Because then you could tweak this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecurePHP
13:29
<Lns>
stgraber: yeah, I want to stick with Hardy.. I'm done chasing releases ;)
13:31
<Nubae>
alkisg: thanks I started making my own plugin, but I didnt want to have to do that for every custom item...
13:31
Ill check that out, might help me
13:32
<alkisg>
ok... I hate moodle myself, it's bad for my eyes... :P
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<Blinny>
I second the desire for iTalc packages+docs w/ Hardy
13:41
<alkisg>
Does "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 && apt-get update" have about the same results as a clean "rm -rf /opt/ltsp && ltsp-build-client"?
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<Blinny>
alkisg: On Ubuntu, the /opt tree's default sources.list doesn't include -updates
13:44
alkisg: As an aside, you'll also want to mount proc after your chroot command (mount -t proc proc /proc) before safe/dist-upgrading, then umount (umount /proc) before exiting the chroot.
13:44
<alkisg>
Blinny, what if I copy /etc/sources to the chroot? Is is OK or I'd better do ltsp-build-client once in a while?
13:44
(while in the same version, no dist-upgrade)
13:44
<Blinny>
alkisg: If you copy the server's /etc/apt/sources.list to the chroot you'd get new updates.
13:44
dist-upgrade grabs new kernels
13:45
<alkisg>
I see... thanks!
13:45
<Blinny>
Others know better, but I don't believe ltsp-build-client takes the latest-greatest-packages as they're released into -updates
13:45
<Lns>
alkisg: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
13:45
<Blinny>
See? Brilliant.
13:45
Thanks Lns
13:45
<Lns>
Brilliant!
13:45
=p
13:45
np
13:46* Lns loves documentation
13:46
<alkisg>
Lns, you're great!!! :)
13:46
So apt-get update is actually better than ltsp-build-client!
13:46
(provided that sources.list is copied)
13:47
<Lns>
alkisg: not necessarily
13:47
<Blinny>
"better" is a relative term
13:47
<alkisg>
Well, I mean if I want new staff
13:47
<Blinny>
Sometimes new packages break old functionality due to changes.
13:47
<Lns>
if you're upgrading to a new Ubuntu release, I'd recommend moving the existing chroot and creating a new one via 'ltsp-build-client'
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<Lns>
that script does things that an apt-get update doesn't, especially for new release upgrades
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<alkisg>
Lns, e.g. now with intrepid, I tried ltsp-build-client 4-5 times, but it takes much time, even with package caching
13:48
So I thought I'd use apt-get update, but I was afraid it would not be as "clean"
13:49
<Lns>
alkisg: yeah. I've seen that too.. if you've upgraded the server from hardy to intrepid, i'd do an ltsp-build-client no matter what
13:49
<alkisg>
When I do distro upgrade, I always build a clean chroot...
13:49
<Lns>
then obviously the normal ltsp-update-kernels && ltsp-update-image
13:49
good
13:49
that's what ogra recommends too
13:49
<alkisg>
Yep! Thanks!
13:49
<Lns>
np
13:51
<Nubae>
http://www.nln.ac.uk/?p=Noodle
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<Lns>
stgraber: can i get access to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc to add content re: LTSP installs?
14:16
<jammcq>
davidj: so umm.... I hear you aren't coming to BTS
14:18
<davidj>
Well, I didn't think I was until about 10 minutes ago...
14:18
<sbalneav>
Well, just did some checking/reading. Looks like it'll be fairly easy to use Xaw to write up a much less blingy greeter. I'll poke around with that over the next couple of days.
14:18
<jammcq>
oh?
14:19
<davidj>
Well, my wife pointed out that we have a use-it-or-lose-it plane ticket we have to use before 11/12.
14:20
So if I can get the airline to honor it, I'm in.
14:21
<cliebow>
davidj:!!!
14:22
<davidj>
cliebow!!
14:22
<cliebow>
be great to see ya!
14:25
<davidj>
Well, it's not a done deal yet.
14:25
<cliebow>
yeah..
14:25
<jammcq>
when it becomes a done deal, please sign up on the wiki
14:25
<cliebow>
!wiki
14:25
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
14:26
<davidj>
jammcq: I will.
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<sbalneav>
sbalneav 6117 0.0 0.2 4036 2096 pts/7 S+ 14:40 0:00 ./a.out
14:42
Well, just programmed up a simple little prompter in Xaw
14:42
how's 4 megs? :)
14:42
<davidj>
4M???
14:43
<sbalneav>
of ram, yeah
14:43
<davidj>
A smart guy like you ought to be able to do it in 4K
14:43
;-)
14:43
<sbalneav>
I can't control the size of the X libraries.
14:43
<davidj>
heh
14:43
<sbalneav>
better than the 19 megs the GTK one takes now :)
14:43
<davidj>
guess not.
14:43
yep
14:44
<sbalneav>
long way off of anything working.
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<Lns>
stgraber: when you have a minute i'm having issues finding my italc client.. installed italc-client in chroot, copied keys from server to chroot, rebuilt image, used "START_ITALC = True" in lts.conf, rebooted tc, it doesn't autodetect my client, and doesn't connect when adding manually
14:46
<ogra_>
sbalneav, i can get the current greeter running with 6
14:47
<davidj>
sbalneav: Why do you want a new greeter? Wouldn't it be better to tighten up the current one?
14:47
<ogra_>
davidj, thats what i'm doing since a week
14:47
well, rather rewriting it from scratch though and cleaning up
14:49
sbalneav, as i said above, the ram hog is the theme engine and fontconfig ... drop both and you will use a third
14:49
oh, and indeed that wallaper rendering
14:50* vagrantc grumbles about ldm on hppa ...
14:50
<ogra_>
heh
14:50
<vagrantc>
seems like it's been built twice now
14:50
http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=ldm&arch=hppa&ver=2:2.0.6-4
14:50
<ogra_>
vagrantc, glib is broken on hppa
14:50
since ages
14:50
<vagrantc>
i wonder how many times it has to sucessfully build before an upload happens ...
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<ogra_>
i bet debian has the same prob
14:50
<vagrantc>
ogra_: oh really ...
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<vagrantc>
ogra_: but the build looks sucessful ...
14:51
<sbalneav>
ogra_: Ah, ok
14:51
<ogra_>
ah, you might have an older glib
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<vagrantc>
glib2.0 2.16.6-1
14:52
<sbalneav>
So, what would we do, specify "LDM_LOWRESOURCE" or something, then not start the theme engine within the code?
14:52
<jammcq>
LDM_BASIC_THEME ?
14:52
<sbalneav>
yeah, whatever
14:52
<ogra_>
first of all, have a patch that makes use of a plain bg color
14:53
i will include that in the rewrite
14:53
<sbalneav>
something to tell it to not start the theme engine
14:53
<ogra_>
i would bet $20 that saves 4M
14:53
<sbalneav>
Oh, for sure
14:53
<vagrantc>
xsetroot
14:53
<ogra_>
vagrantc, no, the greeter would still load bg.png and render it
14:53
it needs fixage in the code
14:53
<vagrantc>
ogra_: well sure ...
14:54
<ogra_>
which is the purpose of my rewirte
14:54
<vagrantc>
but it's trivial to do with xsetroot, is all.
14:54
<sbalneav>
ogra_: Have you started a rewrite of gtkgreet?
14:54
<ogra_>
sbalneav, i'm rambling about that since a week, yeah
14:54
<sbalneav>
I'd be interested in helping out
14:54
<ogra_>
sbalneav, if i have something, i'm still playing yet, after ubuntu release if i have a bit more time
14:54
<davidj>
Instead of just specifying LDM_BASIC_THEME, check for available ram and turn off the extra code automatically.
14:55
<ogra_>
main purpose was to have all elements freely placeable without influencing each other
14:55
<jammcq>
auto-detection is fine, but having the ability to force it one way or the other is important too
14:55
<vagrantc>
could we package the greeter separate from ldm?
14:56* vagrantc agrees with jammcq
14:56
<ogra_>
i'm far enough to have a freely placeable input box and clock, both in switchable functions ... so people can just add a new function to have a new/different inpout box or an analogue clock
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<sbalneav>
This pushed somewhere?
14:56
<ogra_>
vagrantc, why ? if the code is good enough to switch off all elements and run in 2M
14:56
sbalneav, no, i'm in release preparation
14:57
<sbalneav>
k
14:57
<ogra_>
ask me after 30th
14:57
<vagrantc>
ogra_: well, if it's a full replacement for the current greeter, sure. but making it possible to package an independent greeter would open the door for a qt one or some other greeter.
14:57
<ogra_>
i'm curretly poking around with possibilities while waiting for installs to finish but its constantly broken due to that
14:57
vagrantc, feel free
14:58
the backend allows that today
14:58
<vagrantc>
may as well make sure it's possible/easy to package separately while having to re-implement it anyways
14:58
ok.
14:58
<ogra_>
thats how it was designed
14:58
and thats the reason its called gtkgreet :)
14:58
<sbalneav>
What fires up the theme engine? The call to gtk_rc_add_default_file()?
14:58
<ogra_>
its set in the rc file
14:58
grep for engin there
14:58
*engine
14:59
<sbalneav>
Ah, ok, so all you'd have to do is just have a low-rent theme file?
14:59
<ogra_>
you could even go with an empty rc file
14:59
<sbalneav>
with no engine?
14:59
<ogra_>
it would fall back to gtk default
14:59
<jammcq>
empty rc file? how do you set that PER client?
14:59
<ogra_>
and look like everything Gadi does :P
14:59
jammcq, it sits in the theme dir in the chroot
15:00
<jammcq>
yeah, and how do you set that PER client?
15:00
<ogra_>
cwith the current code you cant do anything per client
15:00
<jammcq>
in the chroot? or from the lts.conf file?
15:00
<ogra_>
you can set LDM_THEME
15:00
<vagrantc>
jammcq: specify a theme with an empty rc file ...
15:00
<ogra_>
an have a low spec theme in the chroot
15:00
<jammcq>
ah, you set the theme, and each theme has a separate rc file?
15:01
<vagrantc>
gtkrc
15:01
<ogra_>
with an indexed one color bg.png
15:01
and empty gtkrc
15:01
that would already save a lot
15:01
<sbalneav>
Cool
15:01
<ogra_>
you save even more if you set the gtk items to not use icons
15:01
<sbalneav>
I can play with that some.
15:01
<ogra_>
but that needs code changes
15:02
gtk_iconcache eats a lot
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<ogra_>
it loads and caches all icons on load
15:02
fontconfig is a bit harder
15:02
you need to change the fontconfig configuration to not use aliasing and not load fonts
15:03
with all these changes you could get to 2-4M for the greeter
15:03
but it would look horrible
15:05
sbalneav, i'm plannying to merge all functions from the old greeter into the new one ... so if you do changes there it will help the new one too
15:05
since i'm only changing the code structure mainly
15:08
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll poke around. If we can prod the existing one into something slimmer if needed, then that's a huge win.
15:08
<ogra_>
right5 and it will help the new one as well
15:08
<sbalneav>
jammcq: Hey, you see Slashdot? Cobol's on the rise!
15:09
<jammcq>
oh?
15:09
cobol celebrates it's 50th birthday next may 29th
15:09
i'm committed to completely eliminating it from my life by may 28th
15:09
<ogra_>
oh really ? its younger than the smufs ?
15:09
*smurfs
15:10
<davidj>
someone should submit 1,000,000 lines of cobol code to Jim's svn server
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<sbalneav>
Phht, Cobol, that young whippersnapper language. Fortran's already 52 :)
15:10
<jammcq>
davidj: what would I do with ANOTHER million lines of cobol ?
15:11
<davidj>
Admire it for its structure.
15:11
<sbalneav>
C AREA OF THE TRIANGLE
15:11
799 S = FLOATF (IA + IB + IC) / 2.0
15:11
AREA = SQRT( S * (S - FLOATF(IA)) * (S - FLOATF(IB)) *
15:11
+ (S - FLOATF(IC)))
15:11
WRITE OUTPUT TAPE 6, 601, IA, IB, IC, AREA
15:11* ogra_ points to http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/smurfs-celebrate-their-50th-birthday-969506.html
15:12
<davidj>
Hey, I remember my MOM laughing at cobol programmers.
15:12
But then, she did all her work in assember.
15:13
<sbalneav>
Wow, I thought the smurfs were like an 80's thing only. Didn't know they'd been around that long.
15:13
<jammcq>
ADD IA, IB, IC giving WS-INTERMEDIATE.
15:13
<davidj>
sbalneav: Anything that bad has to have been fermenting for a long time.
15:13
<jammcq>
DIVIDE INTERMEDIATE BY 2 GIVING S
15:14
<sbalneav>
OUTPUT SECTION
15:14
<vagrantc>
ROLL EYES
15:14* ogra_ finds programming languages that live from permanent shouting suspicious
15:14
<sbalneav>
I remember my Cobol exam from university
15:14
Now PL/1, *THERE*'s a neat language.
15:14
<davidj>
heh
15:14
I think I've still got a PL/1 book around here somewhere.
15:16
<sbalneav>
I got my Unix Programmers Manual here from Bell Labs (c) 1979
15:17
Man, wish I'dve had THAT with me when I met *KEN* *THOMPSON*
15:17
<jammcq>
heh
15:17
<sbalneav>
Could'a had him autograph that
15:17
<Lns>
ogra_: by chance can you help me troubleshoot my newly installed italc in hardy? I can't see/connect to any clients, even using 10000+last octet of client IP
15:17
I saw you chatter about italc being default in edubuntu..thought you might have a pointer or 2
15:17
<ogra_>
users are logged in ?
15:17
<Lns>
ogra_: yes
15:18
<ogra_>
i have not much clue about it
15:18
<Lns>
as guest
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<Lns>
ogra_: ok.. /me anxiously awaits stgraber's response
15:18
<ogra_>
check if ica runs for them
15:19
Lns, we're all *massively* busy, RC release is within the next 2h
15:19
+/-2h
15:19
<Lns>
ogra_: oh ok, nm then :)
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<alkisg1>
Lns, what does ps aux|grep ica give on the clients?
15:21
<Lns>
alkisg: i have 3 procs running - 1 ica-launcher, 2 ica
15:22
<alkisg1>
Why 3? You've installed ica-master on the chroot?
15:22
<Lns>
alkisg: oh wait, jeez
15:22
alkisg: no
15:22
its not running on the client i'm trying to connect to, but my own tc has it..lemme try and connect to myself
15:23
<ogra_>
on the client ?
15:23
it should run in the session of the logged in user
15:23
<alkisg1>
ogra_, stgrabber suggests it's better on the chroot
15:24
<ogra_>
then if you have avahi installed it will autoconnect (in intrepid at least) no action required
15:24
<alkisg1>
Lns is using hardy...
15:24
<ogra_>
alkisg, only if you want to be able to shut down clients etc
15:24
i dont think the in client way was supported in hardy
15:24
unless you use PPA backports
15:24
<alkisg1>
Well, my clients only have 64Mb Ram, so I don't do that anyway!!! :)
15:24
<Lns>
ogra_: i am using stgraber's ppa
15:25
i can't connect to myself either
15:25
<ogra_>
with 1.0.9 ?
15:25
<Lns>
italc - 1:1.0.9.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1
15:25* ogra_ only ever tried the way with ica running in the sessions ... its a waste of bandwith imho to install them on the client instead of just connecting through loopback
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<ogra_>
only intresting if you need the special features that provides
15:26
<Lns>
ogra_: i'd think that would be useful to utilize all the features
15:27
<ogra_>
Lns, shutdown you mean ?
15:27* ogra_ cant imagine any others
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<Lns>
ogra_: sure, WOL, etc
15:27
<alkisg1>
Logon, logoff...
15:27
<ogra_>
WOL ?
15:27
logon logoff works locally
15:27
<Lns>
being able to do this from one computer instead of 40 is a good thing =) WOL = wake on lan
15:27
<ogra_>
no need for chroot installs
15:28
i know what wake on lan is, what would italc have to do with that ?
15:28
thats a NIC feature
15:28
<alkisg1>
ogra_, I don't think iTalc can see the clients before logging in if it's ran locally
15:28
<Lns>
to turn on thin clients?
15:28* ogra_ repeats: what would italc have to do with that ?
15:29
<ogra_>
alkisg1, right, why would you need to apart from shutdown reboot functionallity
15:29
its the only feature i can imagine you would need a chrooted install for
15:29
<Lns>
ogra_: simply being able to use the italc interface for WOL instead of something else i'm assuming
15:29
ugh..i shoulda backed up my chroot after hearing all this =p
15:29
<ogra_>
Lns, you still need to configure the system to support that
15:29
<alkisg1>
ogra_, I agree with you, I don't see much use to put it in the chroot...
15:29
<Lns>
ogra_: true
15:30
<ogra_>
there might be advantages i dont know about though, but i think in chroot is really only intresting with more than one server
15:30
but wait for stephane ... he can surely clearify
15:30
<Lns>
k, no worries
15:31
<alkisg1>
Lns, I think you can use WOL even if italc is in the chroot
15:31
You just have to provide it with the mac addresses
15:31
<Lns>
well i'm just trying to connect to a live session right now.. =p
15:31
<alkisg1>
It's a server-side only thing (WOL)
15:32
<Lns>
do you have to be at the actual server console to work it? I'm on a thin-client myself trying to connect to another thin client
15:32
i'd assume it's one in the same
15:32
<alkisg1>
Do you have a client? I didn't get what you said "trying to connect to your own rc"...
15:32
<Lns>
alkisg1: i have 2 TCs and 1 server at my office
15:32
<alkisg1>
You run italc-master from a client, and try to connect to it?
15:32
<Lns>
yes
15:33
tried to connect to myself and the other TC
15:33
<alkisg1>
You put the correct port?
15:33
<Lns>
doesn't auto-detect and didn't work with "127.0.0.1:10051" or "localhost:10051") (also tried 11000 + last octet)
15:34
<alkisg1>
If it's on the chroot, it wouldn't use 127.x...
15:34
no
15:34* Lns applauds for conflicting documentation
15:34
<alkisg1>
OK, I said it correctly
15:35
(thinking in English gets me mixed up sometimes... :()
15:35
You have to provide the actual IP
15:35
<Lns>
ok..just tried that, no dice
15:35
<alkisg1>
Can you upload ps aux|grep ica on the ltspbot?
15:36
<Lns>
is it 1100 or 10000 + last octet?
15:36
<alkisg1>
(on the server and on the clients)
15:36
<Lns>
err 11000
15:36
k
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<alkisg1>
10000, if it is *not* on the chroot
15:37
<Lns>
oh
15:38
alkisg1: nothing returned on server re: ica procs
15:38
how do you start master manually?
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<alkisg1>
ica-launcher, I think, but there were some different scripts,
15:39
one for avahi, one for ltsp, one for simple standalone and something like that
15:39
Did you reboot after installing it?
15:39
<stgraber>
ogra_: ica running on the thin client is not a waste of bandwidth, it was done for the exact opposite :)
15:40
<Lns>
alkisg1: i didn't reboot the server, no..just the TCs
15:40
<alkisg1>
ok, stgraber is here, I can shut up now! :P
15:40
<Lns>
stgraber: i understand if you can't help me right now
15:41
<stgraber>
Lns: is ica running on the thin client ?
15:42
<alkisg1>
stgraber, it's not running on his server, how does he start it? (he didn't reboot after installation)
15:42
<Lns>
stgraber: yes - /rofs/usr/bin/ica <switches>
15:42
OK - here's what I did
15:43
1) Added PPA repos to server + chroot
15:43
2) Installed italc-master + italc-client on server-side, italc-client on chroot
15:43
3) rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/italc/keys; cp -a /etc/italc/keys /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/italc/keys
15:44
4) edit lts.conf for START_ITALC = True
15:44
5) rebooted thin-clients
15:44
(after ltsp-update-image)
15:44
and that's where i'm at now trying to connect.
15:45
<stgraber>
running italc-launcher from the command line, what does it say ?
15:45
<Lns>
stgraber: in chroot?
15:45
<stgraber>
no
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<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "stgraber - italc-launcher" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/74
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<Lns>
erp...ok that's root running it, hold on
15:47
Now for some reason it says italc service isn't running (or keys blah blah)
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<alkisg>
Lns, try ica-launcher before running italc-launcher
15:52
<Lns>
alkisg: $ ica-launcher
15:52
ICA already running on the thin client.
15:52
<alkisg>
No, on the server
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<Lns>
alkisg: ok, said it was running, it killed it and restarted again
15:56
<alkisg>
Now italc-launcher runs ok?
15:57
<Lns>
alkisg: no..ugh now it complains that my keys are broken.
15:57
i didn't touch em...
15:57
bah! there we go
15:58
had to run as root
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<alkisg>
Wow, new italc-launcher, in python...
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<alkisg>
Open ica-launcher, it has all these different scripts I was telling you about rolled into one
16:00
10000 for LTSP, 11000 for non-LTSP etc
16:00
So for chroot you'd probably need 11000
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<X0d_of_N0d>
alkisg: ica-launcher is bash?
16:01* Lns waves to X0d_of_N0d
16:01* X0d_of_N0d just stumbled in on the conversation
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<alkisg>
X0d_of_N0d, yes
16:01* X0d_of_N0d waves back
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<X0d_of_N0d>
ouch
16:01
I mean, I love bash, but after 100 or 200 lines you just have to have python
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<alkisg>
But 11000 is the receiving port... the ip is different for ltsp, localhost is used
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<X0d_of_N0d>
or really just about anything that's !sh !perl
16:02
oh good, for a second I was like 11000 sloc?
16:02
in bash?
16:02
heh
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<Lns>
alkisg: well i was able to see all clients when at the server (vnc to 5901 gdm) and launching ica-launcher then italc-launcher
16:03* X0d_of_N0d hasn't played around with italc yet.
16:03
<Lns>
but not from my TC..can you not use italc-launcher from a TC at all?
16:03
<alkisg>
Lns, but you can't see them from your TC...
16:03
Yes, stgraber once told me that was the normal way to do this,
16:03
and he gave me a modified script because I wanted to run it from the server!
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<Lns>
lol
16:04* Lns is now officially lost
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<alkisg>
heh
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<Lns>
Since a lot of times, you can't easily get to the server console itself, it'd be ideal to be able to launch/use italc-launcher from a TC
16:05* X0d_of_N0d goes back to what he was doing before....
16:05
<alkisg>
Well, ps aux and netstat -natp on the TCs would reveal a lot about the communication status...
16:06
If you try italc-launcher from the TC, what do you get?
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<Lns>
alkisg: it says it can't find the keys...maybe i have to chmod them? is there a group i need to be a part of other than admin/root ?
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<alkisg>
That was on the italc documentation, can't remember... let me see mine
16:09
<Lns>
looks like it's set up to be admin read only
16:10
admin, teacher and supporter keys are all r--r----- root / admin
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but i'm a member of admin group
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<alkisg>
Can you cat it?
16:11
<Lns>
yes
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<alkisg>
And the error message is "iTalc keys not correctly installed" ?
16:12
<Lns>
again, it does seem to work fine from the server (running italc-launcher as root) but not from my tc
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<alkisg>
Ah...
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<alkisg>
These keys are on your TC disk, right?
16:13
And you run italc locally?
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<Lns>
yeah, "There seems to be no iTALC service running on this computer or the authentication-keys aren't set up properly. The service is required for ....."
16:13
Lns: yeah
16:14
lemme verify perms
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<Lns>
alkisg: OH! no admin group in chroot!
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<alkisg>
No, wait, it shouldn't be this way.
16:15
Aren't you supposed to connect to the server and run it from there? (no vnc, normal ltsp)
16:15
So, italc-launcher should only be run on the server
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(even if you see it on a tc)
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<Lns>
not sure..
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<Lns>
if that's the case, than that kinda sucks because all of my servers are tucked away in server closets
16:17
<alkisg>
I think so... Try to logon normally on the TC, and run it like every other ltsp app, not like local apps
16:17
<Lns>
alkisg: that's what i'm doing
16:17
no local apps
16:18
<alkisg>
Then why were you worried about admin group in chroot?
16:18
<Lns>
the docs told me to copy the keys from the server to the chroot
16:18
<alkisg>
Ica was started, you could see the clients from the server
16:19
So all you have to do now is run italc-launcher from a normal ltsp session
16:19
...but why it can't read the keys is beyond me!
16:19
<Lns>
right...and that's when it gives me the "no italc service running" message ^^^
16:19
yeah
16:20
I use 5901 for gdm/vnc sessions.. that shouldn't step on 5900 though i'd assume
16:20
<stgraber>
Lns: your user needs to have access to /etc/italc/keys/*/private/* so by default it must be in the admin group
16:21
that's probably why it worked when you ran it as root
16:21
<Lns>
stgraber: my user *is* in the admin group though
16:21
i can view the keys and all
16:21
with my normal user
16:23
<stgraber>
I'll update the package we now have in Intrepid to the PPA the italc-launcher has been modified for Intrepid so that may fix some of your issues
16:24
<Lns>
stgraber: ok.. just fyi, the server-side italc works great, just can't use it from a TC
16:25
<alkisg>
(Lns, for gdm/vnc I also use 5901 and it doesn't conflict with italc)
16:26
<Lns>
alkisg: cool
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<alkisg>
I'm thinking maybe when you ran it as root, or when you ran it from the server, ica remained running and it doesn't allow you now to run it again as a different user or from a different pc...
16:28
<Lns>
hmm
16:28
lemme try from my laptop after installing it there, it's not a TC
16:34
hrm...nope, not from my laptop either...
16:34
it doesn't like me copying the keys from the server
16:36
It does now, after 'ica-launcher' then 'italc-launcher' (both as root)
16:36
<alkisg>
You can see your TCs?
16:36
<Lns>
yes, from my laptop
16:37
<alkisg>
But why didn't it run as normal user? With ps aux, I see ica running as user alkisg...
16:38
<Lns>
alkisg: ok i can run ica-launcher as my user, but italc-launcher still fails unless i run as root
16:39
but running ica-launcher as my user and italc-launcher as root works
16:39
i don't get messages i send to me though :(
16:39
<alkisg>
...and probably demo mode doesn't work as well?
16:40
<Lns>
nope
16:40
but viewing/remote control works
16:41
<alkisg>
There's something wrong on your laptop ica ports...
16:42* Lns shrugs
16:42
<alkisg>
I think you'd better wait for the intrepid scripts! :)
16:42
<Lns>
It's cool, i'm done testing this out..will probably mess with it tomorrow
16:42
sounds like i should =)
16:42
alkisg, thanks for all your help
16:43
mucho appreciado
16:43
<alkisg>
Lns, didn't do much... :(
16:43
<Lns>
you helped me understand how it all works
16:43
<alkisg>
np... goodnight from Greece
16:44
<Lns>
=) thanks (from California)
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
20:56
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:58
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
21:02
<jammcq>
hey, I'm reserving a room in Rochester, NY for the trip east
21:10
<sbalneav>
Cool
21:10
That's where we stayed the last time, right?
21:10
<jammcq>
yep
21:11
I picked that, cuz I'm familiar with it, and they have a pretty good work-out facility
21:11
and it's about 5.5 hours away from Detroit
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<Mighty-D>
HI
21:24
I have a doubt, i want to acquire a windows server and use all my ltsp clients to go rdp on it, however i dont know how to do this on a legal way since i noticed cals are required for devices not for users, so if i have one ltsp server with 50 users i would only need one license?
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<sbalneav>
Mighty-D: What, on the windows server?
21:37
No, you'd need 50 CAL's for windows terminal server
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<Mighty-D>
sbalneav, really, ouch1!
21:43
<sbalneav>
Sure, what, you'd figure Microsoft would give you something for nothing?
21:45
<Mighty-D>
sbalneav, yah, microshit
21:46
<sbalneav>
MS terminal server usually runs about $2500 (Canadian), and the CAL's are (up here) $100 a piece.
21:46
So, if you were up here, you'd be looking at about $7500
21:46
For the licenses
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<Mighty-D>
sbalneav, thats really high
21:49
sbalneav, how much is a windows vista business license there
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<sbalneav>
$450
21:52
<Mighty-D>
so you are still getting some money back if you switch to clas
21:52
err cals
21:52
still i think it is too high, microsteal
21:53
<sbalneav>
Thaaaaaats why we're an all Linux shop where I am :)
21:53
We couln't afford windows.
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<Mighty-D>
yah
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22:23
<johnny>
I AM SO TIRED OF THESE ISSUES WITH gvfs!
22:23
eep ~ # backup.sh
22:23
rsync: readlink_stat("/home/johnny/.gvfs") failed: Permission denied (13)
22:24
uggh.. why can't the damn thing play nice
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<kleewyck>
Good evening ?
22:31
Anyone have experance with LTSP and powerpc (imac) ?
22:33
<johnny>
very few people do, but it is possible..
22:33
<kleewyck>
Johny I have it to the point where it boots the iMac. Kernel loads fires up X11 then I see the X cursor and then it just restarts.
22:34
<johnny>
the whole machine? or just X?
22:34
<kleewyck>
I can't figure out how to debug this..
22:34
Just X restarts over and over.
22:34
<johnny>
how did you get ltsp for the mac?
22:34
<kleewyck>
I booted ubuntu ppc edition, mount /opt/ltsp then ran ltsp-client-build
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<johnny>
you can set SCREEN_02=shell
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in lts.conf
22:36
<kleewyck>
Yes I can..
22:36
<johnny>
and then go to the second console and check the xorg log
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<kleewyck>
but it won't stop loading X so I can't get control long enough to check the log.
22:36
Keeps switching over to the X Session.
22:37
<johnny>
set a root password in the chroot
22:37
and then install ssh in there
22:37
and then boot the client after updating thei mage
22:37
then you can ssh into it
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<kleewyck>
oooo that's an Idea :)
22:39
thanks .. :) I'm doing that now..
22:41
now LDM should start a greeter that will connect out with ssh to the server when everything is working?
22:46
P.S. I just got in with SSH thanks!
22:53
<johnny>
just so you can check the logs
22:53
it's not something most people need, since of course.. the keys will change every time
22:59
<kleewyck>
yea ..
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<sbalneav>
johnny: I applied a patch I found in one of the bug reports, that fixed it for me.
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<johnny>
what's that?
23:21
<sbalneav>
gvfs
23:24
<johnny>
the bug :)
23:30
<sbalneav>
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/252796
23:32
Maybe it's been updated now. Bug seems to have been updated 2008/10/01
23:33
<johnny>
this is while i'm still logged in
23:33
not at all related to ltsp.. i was just whining
23:34
try doing find $HOME while gvfs is still running
23:35
hmm.. altho.. i am updating to the newest gvfs.. maybe it will be fixed then
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<sbalneav>
What, find as root?
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, unless you do something like add allow_root to your /etc/fuse.conf, only the user will be able to access a fuse mounted directory
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<johnny>
i had user_allow_other