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Channel log from 8 August 2013   (all times are UTC)

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08:07
<elias_a>
Good day in the sense "there is life after vacation" :)
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08:28
<Joanet>
hi all, is there any way to detect if running client is fat or thin apart of checking the hostname?
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08:50
<Hyperbyte>
Joanet, several variables... including the hostname.
08:50
Compare output of "export" between the two sessions and pick whatever variable you like to compare.
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09:01
<Joanet>
Hyperbyte: thanks
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13:00
<BrianH>
Looking for some help setting up my ltsp server & client. When I boot the thin client, it's hanging at loading the pxelinux.0 image, and eventually errors out with unable to load. Any thoughts?
13:02
<alkisg>
Distro/version?
13:02
<BrianH>
ubuntu 12.04
13:02
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
13:02
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
13:02
<BrianH>
It's not even getting to the splash screen.
13:02
<alkisg>
The quiet part affects pxelinux too
13:03
<BrianH>
Ah, thanks. :)
13:03
<alkisg>
It'll tell us if the message is from pxelinux or from the kernel
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13:09
<BrianH>
Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init-ltsp. No init found. Try passing init= bootarg.
13:09
Then it drops me to a busybox shell
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13:14
<alkisg>
BrianH: ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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<BrianH>
Actually, reading further up, it's failing to mount /dev/nbd0 on /root with an Input/Output error. Then it craps out when it can't read directories.
13:15
i386.img exists.
13:15
<alkisg>
Can you paste the output here?
13:16
<BrianH>
I'm on a different machine.
13:16
<alkisg>
No ssh available?
13:16
<BrianH>
Are you looking for the permissions?
13:16
<alkisg>
The size too
13:16
And we'll need more output of other commands as well
13:17
<BrianH>
Ok, 1 sec. I might be able to ssh into the server. Using several different networks at the moment.
13:18
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 268984320 Aug 8 08:30 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
13:18
<alkisg>
Looks ok, now, sudo service nbd-server restart; sudo netstat -nap | grep 10809
13:19
<BrianH>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2675/nbd-server
13:19
<alkisg>
Restart the client
13:20
(there's a known bug with nbd-server; restarting it just takes our mind off that)
13:20
If it drops you to a busybox again, do: cat /proc/cmdline, and verify it has ltsp_i386 in there
13:20
<BrianH>
Ok.
13:21
<alkisg>
Btw, do you have 2 dhcp servers on your network?
13:21
<BrianH>
Weird, it's not doing a verbose boot anymore.
13:21
No, I'm using a host only network through virtualbox.
13:22
<alkisg>
So, virtual server and virtual host?
13:22
<BrianH>
And the host network has DHCP disabled.
13:22
<alkisg>
*thin client?
13:22
<BrianH>
Yes
13:22
<alkisg>
OK
13:22
How are you booting the thin client? With the vbox extension pack, with ipxe.iso...?
13:23
<BrianH>
No, I just made a new VM, setup the NIC to use the host only adapter and switched to the PCnet FAST III adapter.
13:24
I tried using the intel adapters but none of them would PXE boot the VM
13:24
<alkisg>
You'll need the extension pack for that
13:24
Although I think the embedded boot "rom" has problems with pcnet too
13:25
Are you on an ubuntu box? Or a windows one?
13:25
<BrianH>
The host server is ubuntu 13.04
13:25
<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install ipxe
13:25
And use /usr/lib/ipxe/ipxe.iso to boot the thin client
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13:29
<BrianH>
Ok
13:30
iPXE is failing.
13:30
<alkisg>
Heh. Try with the intel nic too
13:30
(although in my experience, ipxe worked with pcnet as well...)
13:30
<BrianH>
Any one in particular?
13:31
<alkisg>
Nope, I think both the desktop and the server nics worked
13:31
<BrianH>
Working
13:32
Setting up ndb-client ...
13:33
Connection timed out. Exiting. done.
13:33
<alkisg>
Busybox'
13:33
?
13:33
Or that one was later on?
13:33
<BrianH>
Ah, yeah it took a couple seconds.
13:34
<alkisg>
Did you get a busybox shell?
13:34
<BrianH>
Yep.
13:34
<alkisg>
cat /proc/cmdline
13:34
Type anything nbd-related here
13:34
E.g. nbdroot=:ltsp_i386
13:35
<BrianH>
nbdroot=:ltsp+i386
13:35
yep
13:35
<alkisg>
OK, let's check your nbd setup
13:35
grep -rv '^#' /etc/nbd*
13:35
!pastebin
13:35
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
13:35
<alkisg>
(server)
13:36
<BrianH>
Weird
13:36
I lost ssh
13:37
Ah ... the IP changed.
13:37
Setting up a static IP for it right now.
13:41
https://gist.github.com/bchynds/6db872fbad47082f0862
13:42
<alkisg>
And the `cat /proc/cmdline` was showing ltsp_i386, not ltsp_amd64, right?
13:42
<BrianH>
Yes.
13:42
<alkisg>
OK, let's try manually mouting the nbd image
13:42
!nbd-client
13:42
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
13:42
<alkisg>
Run this one instead:
13:42
nbd-client <server-ip> -N :ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
13:42
...from the client busybox
13:43
...I'm not 100% sure if the : is supposed to go there or not, try it both with and without it
13:43
In the meantime, on the server, do a `tail -F /var/log/syslog` and check for errors
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13:44
<BrianH>
Socket unreachable, network is unreachable
13:45
err, Socket failed*
13:45
<alkisg>
And `ip addr show` does show you an IP?
13:45
<BrianH>
Yeah
13:45
<alkisg>
What IP does your client have, and what IP does your server have?
13:46
<BrianH>
It's all on a local network. Client:10.10.10.103 ... Server: 10.10.10.10
13:46
<alkisg>
Can you ping the client from the server?
13:46
<BrianH>
Oh wait
13:46
Client is on 10.10.0.13
13:46
<alkisg>
So you have the vbox dhcp server active?
13:47
<BrianH>
No, checking the dchpd.conf on he ltsp server now.
13:47
Might be a type
13:47
typo*
13:48
Weird ... It's not.
13:48
<alkisg>
On the client, this command does a dhcp request:
13:48
ipconfig -n eth0
13:48
Check its result, it should be in 10.10.10.x
13:49
<BrianH>
I double checked the dhcp on the virt network and it'd disabled too.
13:49
The client is getting 10.10.0.13 somehow
13:49
<alkisg>
Pastebin your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, and restart your dhcp server...
13:50
<BrianH>
https://gist.github.com/bchynds/6db872fbad47082f0862
13:51
<alkisg>
option root-path is wrong, but it shouldn't matter...
13:52
Stop your server's dhcp server, then run ipconfig -n eth0 again
13:52
If it gets an IP, you have another dhcp server somewhere
13:53
<gvy>
there are dhcping, dhcp_probe and there were several rugue dhcp server detection scripts out there
13:53
<alkisg>
You can also run ipconfig on the server, if you want... /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
13:53
(with sudo)
13:54
That's a fake request, it doesn't apply the IP it gets
13:55
<BrianH>
I stopped the isc-dhcp-server and ran ipconfig -n eth0 on the client, and its getting 10.10.0.13 somehow. There's nothing else on this network too. It's a virtual host-only network in which only the ltsp server and the client are using.
13:56
<alkisg>
I think that's vbox's server
13:57
There's a quick way to bypass the vbox dhcp,
13:57
!ipappend
13:57
<ltsp>
ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
13:57
<alkisg>
That will allow your client to boot, without solving the vbox dhcp issue
13:57
It will reuse the IP it gets from the real server instead of requesting a new one at the initramfs stage
13:57
<BrianH>
Even though I have dhcp disabled on the virtual network?
13:58
<alkisg>
Maybe vbox needs some kind of restarting to get the change, dunno
13:58
<BrianH>
Checking VBoxManage list dhcpservers ...
14:00
It has 1 listed, with the 10.10.0.x IP range, but it's disabled ... Going to try enabling it, switching the range and disabling it. This is a serious bug if this works.
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14:02
<BrianH>
Nope ... Switched the ranges, disabled, and the PCE client is still picking up a 10.10.0.x IP ... *sigh*
14:02
PXE*
14:02
trying IPAPPEND
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14:05
<BrianH>
It's still picking up the 10.10.0.x IP
14:05
Err, wait, forgot to restart the server
14:07
It's booting now.
14:08
And now I have a thin client login. :) Thank you so much alkisg
14:09
I
14:09
I'll have to figure out what's going on with the dhcp server through vbox
14:11
Any pointers on how to setup the ltsp dhcpd.conf to work with 32-bit and 64-bit clients?
14:11
Most of the documentation I found only shows how to setup for working with one or the other.
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14:22
<alkisg>
BrianH: usually you only need an i386 chroot
14:22
Only for very specific setups you need both i386 and amd64
14:23
i386 chroots can boot clients with up to 64Gb RAM
14:23
<BrianH>
Ah, gotcha.
14:25
My next step is to switch this over to a router and get some actual clients booting into it.
14:25
I didn't know if there would be any issues with 64bit systems connecting to it.
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14:33
<other_other_joe>
hello folks
14:34
I was hoping to bug someone for some pointers on ldm, rc.d scripts
14:34
<alkisg>
Shoot
14:35
<other_other_joe>
well, I've got an S script that mounts my users specific home directory via NFS when they log in
14:35
that's all good
14:35
but I'd like my K script to umount it on the way out and it doesn't seem to be happening
14:36
<alkisg>
Ouch, yeah, you hit a problem there
14:36
<other_other_joe>
nothing dumps to ldm.log so, I was wondering if anyone could suggest a good way to debug that
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<alkisg>
Let me see if I can find a link for you...
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14:36
<other_other_joe>
Thanks, I appreciate it
14:36
<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144
14:37
The main problem is that /home/username is still in use when the K* scripts run
14:37
So the unmounting can't happen unless you use umount -l, which isn't a clean way to do it,
14:37
so you'd have to use a kill-all-processes script before issuing the unmount command
14:38
<other_other_joe>
aw yea, I was hoping to avoid the -f/l
14:38
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2462
14:38
Commit this one, then re-try your unmount script
14:38
Hmm although you need to match for NFS too
14:38
That one only matches sshfs
14:39
<other_other_joe>
ah, yea
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<other_other_joe>
well, at least I know I'm not crazy :)
14:42
<alkisg>
No worries; I spend many weeks troubleshooting that bug :-/
14:44
<other_other_joe>
well I appreciate the heads up on it, for sure. I'm trying to get this setup for the first time in my office and I'm finding mostly I'm running into documentation issues
14:45
the "P" scripts in the rc.d directory for instance appear to be pre-ssh scripts for instance
14:45
I didn't see that documented anywhere
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<alkisg>
True, it's only documented inside some script in there
14:48
<other_other_joe>
yea
14:48
must be newer than the pdf I got
14:50
<alkisg>
other_other_joe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/share/ldm-script.in
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<other_other_joe>
:)
14:55
Thanks again for the support alkisg. I'm gonna run off and try to get this working with LDAP now. bbl
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15:36
<servercbe>
hello! Good morning! how can i get connect with the epoptes channel??
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<epopteshelpme>
hi. I am using Epoptes 0.5.5, to control 21 computers, I have a Ci3, ubuntu 12.04.02, Núcleo Linux 3.5.0-37-generic, 64 bit and wpoptes some times doesnt recognize all the users, just 4 0r 5 from 21! any idea why?
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<servercbe>
hi. I am using Epoptes 0.5.5, to control 21 computers, I have a Ci3, ubuntu 12.04.02, Núcleo Linux 3.5.0-37-generic, 64 bit and wpoptes some times doesnt recognize all the users, just 4 0r 5 from 21! any idea why?
15:50
<alkisg>
servercbe: are you using ltsp?
15:51
<servercbe>
yes
15:51
<alkisg>
Did you install epoptes in the chroot?
15:51
epoptes-client, that is...
15:51
<servercbe>
no
15:51
<alkisg>
http://www.epoptes.org/installation
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<alkisg>
"Client package installation for LTSP chroots"
15:52
<servercbe>
When I installed edubuntu I "think" it was installed????
15:53
it use to work fine and then... didnt work
15:54
but i am reading now
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<Hyperbyte>
t
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<BrianH>
!quiet-splash
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<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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<tubble>
Hello, anyone know how to fix an issue when boot LTSP from an HP thin client and getting a blank screen on a sony bravia TV
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<tubble>
Hello, anyone know how to fix an issue when boot LTSP from an HP thin client and getting a blank screen on a sony bravia TV?
22:33
<Enslaver>
can you give more information? Distro, ltsp version, does it work without the bravia?
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<tubble>
It works fine with any other monitor, its the latest LTSP version running ubuntu
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22:39
<vagrantc>
tubble: running ltsp-info should give you more specific useful information
22:39
<jammcq>
Enslaver: hey
22:39
haven't seen you around in a while
22:51
<Enslaver>
yeah i've been working at a new HPC company, learning clusters and stuff
22:52
takes up most of my time
22:52
how you been
22:52
<jammcq>
cool. I saw on the wiki you are interested in coming to BTS-2013
22:52
i've been good
22:52
crazy busy
22:52
<Enslaver>
yeah i was gonna mention I went to the hotel website and they were all booked up for those dates
22:53
<jammcq>
yeah, that's cuz WE have all the rooms reserved
22:53
You don't need to book it with them. just tell me what you want and I can set it up
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<Enslaver>
King bed, kosher meal, room service and a personal massuce with large hands
22:54
<jammcq>
well... I think you won't get most of that
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although, scotty has large hands... i'll talk to him :)
22:55
<Enslaver>
beer and lobster?
22:55
<jammcq>
that's easy
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<Enslaver>
done
22:55
<jammcq>
yeah, I'll check on some kosher lobsters :)
22:56
<Enslaver>
yeah just book me for those dates on the wiki, if you need payment info let me know
22:56
you have my gtalk info?
22:56
<jammcq>
gtalk?
22:57
<Enslaver>
hangouts?
22:57
Skype?
22:57
CTCP?
22:57
<jammcq>
yeah, I use hangouts all the time. I don't have any info for you. all I really need is your email addr
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22:57
<Enslaver>
enslaver@enslaver.com
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<jammcq>
they have a couple rooms with 1 bed, I dunno if it's king or queen size
22:58
and they have a bunch of rooms with 2 beds
22:58
same price for either
22:59
<Enslaver>
doesn't matter much, whatever is easiest
22:59
<jammcq>
do you mind a roommate?
22:59
maybe vagrantc would be your roommate
23:01
<Enslaver>
might bring my fiance
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<jammcq>
ooooh
23:01
<Enslaver>
unless vagrant wants the temp position
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<Enslaver>
headed home, hangouts me the info when you get the chance
23:04* vagrantc isn't too keen on being a stand-in fiance
23:05
<Enslaver>
vagrantc, how are your ironing skills?
23:05
<vagrantc>
not much of a metalworker, really.
23:05
<Enslaver>
woodworker? :O
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<andygraybeal>
:)
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