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Channel log from 16 March 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<Kicer86>
yellow!
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<methril_work_>
morning
06:25
someone could explain the meaning of LOCALDEVICE ?
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<alkisg>
methril_work_: there's no such option, do you mean LOCALDEV ?
06:26
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
06:26
<methril_work_>
yes LOCALDEV
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<alkisg>
See the man page above
06:26
<methril_work_>
yes i read it
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<methril_work_>
06:28
?
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<alkisg>
Force it to true? That doesn't make any difference, since the default is already true...
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<methril_work_>
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<AndyGraybeal>
does anyone use xpra on ltsp?
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<cliebow>
Homies!
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<alkisg>
A school here has "atheros 8131" nics, and they tell me they need a driver on the chroot to get them running. Any ideas which driver, and how to insert the module?
08:18
pciid=1969:1063 - attansic
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<highvoltage>
alkisg: hey there
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<alkisg>
highvoltage: hi - gotta go - bb in 2 hours :)
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<thunsucker>
good morning
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<alkisg>
How can I see if my initramfs contains a specific driver? (atl1c)
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<johnny>
alkisg, unpack it?
10:53
another way .. which would be initramfs-tools specific.. would be to find the config that is used to generate the distro instance of it..
10:53
but i don't know much about initramfs-tools to be able to tell you how
10:53
but unpacking will always work :)
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<alkisg>
Mhm... I've put break=mount, so I'm into the initramfs right now, but I don't know where to look
10:54
<johnny>
/lib/modules/kernel?
10:54
err $kernel .. as in.. variable
10:55
next time.. don't bther with breaking an instance of it.. next time just unpack it on your server :)
10:55
or figure out how intramfs-tools does the job
10:55
<alkisg>
Ah, thanks, got it
10:56
Now to find why it decides to only take a few of the drivers, and not all of them..
10:56
<johnny>
alkisg, that's definitely up to whatever ubuntu (or debian) decides to tell initramfs-tools what to include
10:56
alkisg, i have this same problem on gentoo of course.. but that setup is both more complicated.. and does less :)
10:57
<alkisg>
Heh
10:57
<johnny>
does less in regards to netboot stuff that is
10:57
it's probably great for a bunch of other stuff i don't need :)
10:57
<alkisg>
I think I can put additional modules in a .conf file, but I"d like to find out why it doesn't include them in the first place...
10:57
<johnny>
alkisg, probably just choice
10:57
<alkisg>
Well, for net drivers, isn't that kinda dumb for LTSP?
10:58
<johnny>
hmm?
10:58
<alkisg>
Don't we need all the drivers we can get?
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<johnny>
sure.. but i don't think it has very sophisticated rules
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<alkisg>
I mean, why could we leave it up to the system admin to include "atl1c"?
10:58
<johnny>
and it's the same rules used for the server kerenl
10:58
<alkisg>
*would
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<johnny>
there is no specific ltsp config for initramfs generation iirc
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<alkisg>
But we do meddle with the initramfs configuration, so we might as well fix that in the process
10:59
OK, let me find it first and complain later... :D
10:59
<johnny>
alkisg, sure.. but.. how would you decide which net drivers to include?
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<alkisg>
Why not all of them?
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<johnny>
without including a bunch of other stuff that you definitely don't need
10:59
cdc-ether, wireless drivers, etc
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10gb ethernet
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token ring
10:59
gotta be careful
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<alkisg>
Does size matter? (in this particular case :D)
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<johnny>
sure it does
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try not to make it too difficult for people with 64mb ram
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<alkisg>
It takes up memory? Hmmm that's not good...
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<johnny>
perhaps there needs to be a switch
11:00
hmm.. how wouldn't it take up memory?
11:00
it's not like you have anywhere else to store it
11:01
you'er unpacking it before you have a rootfs
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alkisg, what would be neater tho..
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<alkisg>
Sure, but it could discard the memory later on
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<johnny>
not sure if this is feasible ..
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but trying to download the kernel module right after getting the kernel :)
11:01
<alkisg>
I don't know if the linux kernel has provisions for it, but programmatically, it isn't unfeasible...
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<johnny>
ah.. yeah.. it probably does get rid of it later..
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especially since once the rootfs is mounted
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you have access to /lib/modules/$kernel on the server
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i wonder if that tftp server implementation wouldn't be a bad idea here
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alkisg, remember?
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we do get teh mac address on intiial query right?
11:03
isn't there a way to translate that into a manufacturer/model?
11:03
then we can just send the right driver from the server?
11:03
that sounds magical.. but who knows :)
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<alkisg>
Hmmm... it would need a big database of mac addresses etc, but yeah, that sounds doable
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<johnny>
alkisg, once again.. not sure how initramfs-tools config works, but i do know in a fork of the genkernel initramfs generator
11:05
you could say something like this MODULES="+DRIVERS_NET -DRIVERS_WIFI"
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or whatever they were called
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it's been a year since i looked.. being that it would never be the default in the os and all..
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<alkisg>
Another idea would be to use the pxe stack to implement a minimal file system layer
11:06
This way we wouldn't need any initramfs at all ;)
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<johnny>
lol
11:06
i don't think you have access to the full amount of ram there
11:06
is that still in real mode?
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/me isn't sure anymore
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<alkisg>
No - you need to call it from a wrapper function
11:07
That's how gpxe and pxelinux.0 work
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(and they do have access to all the ram)
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<nosedrum>
hi everybody !
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i'm here again with a little question
11:19
On my ltsp clients when a user x1 create a file in a public folder
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the right on file are 644 rx-r--r--
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so I edit /etc/profile to put a umask 111
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OK when i log in ssh as user x1 and un touch toto.file the right are 666 rw-rw-rw-
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but when the user x1 create a file in his file explorer the right still are 644 rw-r--r--
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I don't understand why !!!
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any ideas ?
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<alkisg>
!learn adding-modules as to add a module in the Ubuntu LTSP initramfs, follow the steps described in this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<abeehc>
!help
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<ltspbot>
abeehc: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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<abeehc>
!help search
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<ltspbot>
abeehc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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<cliebow>
root
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<alkisg>
leaf
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<cliebow>
branch
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mypw
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8~)
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wouldnt bre the first time 8~)
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<alkisg>
:)
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<cliebow>
c y'all
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hi jammcq
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<rjune>
!j
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<ltspbot>
rjune: "j" :: jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
hey rjune
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<Lns>
Anyone know - is/was MILLE-XTERM the same as ltsp-cluster?
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<vagrantc>
Lns: i think so, yes.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: cool =) thx
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<vagrantc>
or rather, mille-xterm became ltsp-cluster
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<Lns>
i was just reading about it, going "hmm, canada...hmm...education..hmmmm"
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: what were you reading?
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
oh yeah ok
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<Lns>
quite long ago article =)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
oh yeah thats dated ... thats why i knew what article as soon as you linked LJ :)
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<brainspoil>
My school wants to use ltsp with a couple of winxp thin clients, can this be done on ltsp?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
i've got two nics. i've had them working before, but one of them isn't coming up. /etc/network/intefaces appears to be correct. what is the other file i need to check?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
got that one fixed. differnt problem. client shows login screen, login & password, times out and restarts the client
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