Any experience from eBeam Interact ? Should it be installed to chroot to work perfecyl
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alkisg: "xauthority" :: to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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hi alkisg :) Bad luck at my school, APC ups is not working anymore (has been turned on / off max 50 times since installation), lol
we have received some money, I'm thinking about replacing the recycled PC with new ones like these: http://www.yashiweb.com/it/specifiche_tecniche/9822/
anyone knows if Intel GMA X4500 is good in compatibility and decent performances?
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markit: it's perfectly cromulen
for normal desktop purposes
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HrdwrBoB: so libreoffice, gimp, maybe a little of blender (just in case)
work decently? We have HD screens (1920x1080 res)
blender .. mmm
everything else great
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they could become "fat clients" to increased performance too
only porblem I've never deploied the "fat" version of ltsp, I forecast new problems in exchange of the old ones, lol
Teachers here didn't report any fat client specific problems
alkisg: hi my master/teacher/preferred_guru, how are you?
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I am very familiar with exchanging problems
we use HP thin clients
HP seem to release a new one every 12 months
for no real good reason
mm just got a call from a professor... one PC frozen while saving work, another had OpenOffice not starting and was not possible logoff either, and all PC seems incredible slow
my guess is they are using a very large image / images (pictures) in Impress
but the fact that so often pc freezes is really bad
often = one every lesson, or something less
Do you still have that 512 MB network swap?
Did you verify that it's working?
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are there distributors of lucidatech machines? I can't get a response from them :(
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alkisg: I've 512MB swap, and not verified (I tested the setup on my home, but not at school, just applied the same settings that worked at home)
I wasn't able to make clients hang (with big pictures in impress and firefox etc) when I had enough swap
also impress and libo 3.3 is not very fast itself, and the server has only 8GB for 16 clients
RAM on the clients? 256?
alkisg: what about increase swap to 1GB? wondering if will put my lan on it's knees
No 512 is enough, if it's actually working
alkisg: from 256 to 512, depends, don't know that particular one
My experience with hangs is something like this: 70% = swap, 20% = graphics card, 5% = network problems, 5% = no idea
Any hint for this? Failed to save user : Failed to add user to LDAP database : cn: value #0 Invalid per syntax.
mine at the moment are 100% no idea :)
alkisg: we are going to buy some new PC that will act as fat client, do you strongly suggest have a HD also for local swap?
No, imho network swap works just fine
I try to have 4GB ram
I couldn't get it to crash
Tested with e.g. 128 RAM on the client and forced it to use 400 MB swap. It crawled but it didn't hang.
When I closed firefox and impress and gimp etc everything was fine again
unfortunatly I've not there, and the teacher called me too late to ssh in and do a fast check
I have to tell them a couple of "mainteniance" things also, like kill zombie processes
and students are saving documents in the "share" area instead of their own home, don't know why
or they create a directory inside Documents with their name
even if I've explained them that each student has his OWN home, indipendent
we need some hours of basic computer trainning, OMHO
I have the issue of acl and shared area unresolved still... things seems to be overcompliceted sometime wiht GNU/Linux
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things that should be basic in a multiuser environment
ok, back to my work now :)
markit: To check if the swap thing is working, run `free` from a localxterm
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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alkisg: any suggestion for logging useful info?
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anything that could be useful.. like messages
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The clients support remote logging, if you're interested in that
ok, thanks a lot
I will activate and hope to find something useful
There's also ~/.xsession-errors for each user
oh, yes, really !
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good morning everyone
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is anyone knowing how to fix usb mount problem in ubuntu maverick? when i insert a stick into the client, it only appears on the server in /tmp/.username-ltsp
it should bind to /media/username
this is an ubuntuserver upgraded from karmic to lucid... and straight after to maverick
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mr_engblom: I've kubuntu 10.10 at school, and it mounts on /media/usrname
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markit: then i wonder what really failed in the upgrade
maybe is gnome related, I use KDE
(that does not support notification with ltsp, unfortunatly...)
mr_engblom: do you use ACL by chance? (not related with your problem, is my problem :))
i am using kde3 (trinity)...
yes, i use acl
I've not the details here, but I want to have 2 directories in /srv
one where students and teachers can read/write
and another where teachers can r/w, but students only read
with my setup if a teacher CREATES a file in the r/w everything is fine
if instead COPIES from his home to there, the file permissions are "reduced" and only himself can r/w, other only read, if I remember correctly
do you have the same need and was able to solve in a brilliant way? :)
first set "chmod g+s folder"
g+s? isn't set acl "default" enough?
i do not know, that i did first...
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:) ok, go on
I need a working solution, will investigate "why it works" later, lol
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markit: this is how i have been setting up a directory that both teachers and pupils can read and write to: http://pastebin.com/zqmDqbYH
it is just to change the rwx values according to your need
r-- will give only read rights
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r-x will give read and execute (needed for entering subdirectories)
setfacl -m group:teachers:rwx folder - that will give full rights to the teachers
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my ltspfs problem is really annoying!!
markit: please, pastebin your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
markit: apparently some changes should be done there when you go to a newer version of ubuntu
or can anyone else with ubuntu 10.10 pastebin their /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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i install ltsp in fedora(k12linux)
and i boot client to this .
i see login screen but i do not know what user and password i must use for login
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for login to ltsp host i must use host user ?
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hello, is anybody using ltsp-cluster with multiples linux apps servers? i would like to know how keep syncronized the /home 's, i mean i don't understood how the loadbalancer works
is it just redirect the conections?
do i need to use a cluster filesystem below? like glusterfs for example
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or there is a ltsp-cluster solution to this issue
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Guys, i was having a problema bout Read-only filesystem in a newest LTSP installation in Gentoo, to make it work i ad to modify ro to rw in /etc/exports /opt/ltsp *(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check). Is this ok?
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[GuS]: don't use rw nfs root, because then any client can write anything to your exported NFS disk and that's a major security issue
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alkisg: if i dont, when the client boots it says read-only filesystem full of errors...
OK, but that means the problem is elsewhere
Mounting nfs rw is not a proper solution
I know... but i dont know what else to do... i been one week with this now :S
Check your initramfs, something is wrong with the COW setup
Why don't you use some distro where it's more out of the box?
alkisg: believe me i whish so... but in my work we use Gentoo :S
and everytime i've install ltsp5 in gentoo i have a new error...
E.g. you can have an ubuntu (or whatever) chroot on a gentoo server
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Right, "gentoo is getting really close" ==> errors still happen...
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i've tried for me once ltsp in debian and ubuntu, 0 problems... but in gentoo... now with this read only filesystem i dont know what more to look at...
What system does Gentoo use for the initramfs? Dracut?
i've already tested if the problem was cause a old quickstart profile. That didnt solved, reinstalled ltsp-server, reinstalled quickstart and re-built again ltsp client... no look at all... and is a fresh Gentoo installation... i've installed before ltsp5 in gentoo many times, fixed errors but works... now does not
If that's the default, then it's not dracut...
well, i am not sure then...
Anyway it's there you should be looking
To check why the ltsp code in the initramfs/dracut/whatever doesn't succeed in establishing your cow disk
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Gadi!!I find that by manually adding sambaSamAccount and sambaSID to a machine account I am able to join a domain..Why does this not happen automagically?
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in client side when i want log in
after enter user name and password i get this message
no response from server restarting
please help me
alkisg, fedora 14
Can you login with that username/password on the server?
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alkisg, no i can
for example i create another user on the server same my own user but i can login with this user
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alkisg, i must create special user for ltsp or i can user ordinary user in the ltsp host
Any ordinary user on the server will do
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is ltsp still broken in F14
two days a go i get support for ltsp in fedora 14
i do all things very easy but at the last i get this message and i can not login to the ltsp server
no response from server restarting
I've just learned about LTSP in the last couple of weeks, but want to try it. Is there a good getting started page?
mahdi_ja: you can also see the logs for authentication problems: tail /var/log/auth.log
alkisg, yes i do this
alkisg, thank 's for your attention
Do you see login attempts there?
Is this still accurate? - https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
And any error messages?
wakko222, edubuntu ship with a live ltsp dvd
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I'm used to Fedora and would like to use it. Sorry.
alkisg, after show the no response from server restarting
mahdi_ja: is not that a ssh keys problem?
i get some error for example can not find ltsppci command i think
Paste the exact error, maybe someone that knows fedora has seen it before
[GuS], yes it may
alkisg, i can not access server now
[GuS], how i can test ssh keys
wakko222, https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide is very good document
did you updated you ssh keys with the ltsp command?
ok, i tried a few weeks ago and it failed on the ltsp-build-client
wakko222, go to this page
ok i have it from before, i will try again.
[GuS], i must use this command
yes in the server
Doesn't fedora use an internal subnet?
So that the server IP is always the same?
alkisg, yes feodra use internal subnet
alkisg - usually 10.42.43.* if set up in network manager
So the problem might be something else - you need access to the server to try things though
it is a example thin ip address
i use tow nic card
alkisg, thank you
alkisg, Tomorrow i test all these
alkisg, I'm sorry to disturb you
mahdi_ja: you're welcome, good luck
alkisg, thank you.
mahdi_ja - I see the file in the bug report and where to save it. What should I save it as (name)?
wakko222, which file
weren't you refering to comment 16 and the attachment?
ok, now I'm not sure. I am getting the ERROR: fc14 not supported and am stuck there
ok, and that fixes the error?
you must edit ltspdist file with new content
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Interesting. This is an ipod connected to a client running ltsp from this server:
root@minerva:~# ls -l /media/marilyn/
ls: cannot access /media/marilyn/MJEVANS: Permission denied
d????????? ? ? ? ? ? MJEVANS
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so if i use 'ltsp-build-client --fat-client ubuntu-desktop' will the ltsp server give it the whole image at each boot?
or is it about the same as the image used for thin clients just configured so that some apps run locally based on the lts.conf file?
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so, now I'm trying to save my ltsp install as being "unreliable" and generally "slower" than disk-based stations.
That's fine, but can anyone comment on my setup? See if I'm going wrong somewhere?
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Octo-core xeon, 24G ram, 32G swap running Lenny.
NFS mounted home directories to the equivalent machine on the other end of the wire.
I have a secondary app server that I'm in the midst of setting up, but is my setup bad? Should we experience lag while using thunderbird (icedove)? hmm, I don't know what else to tell you.
Maybe my expecations were too high?
Oh, the thin clients all have 512mb athlon xp 2500 or better motherboards.
Network is 100mbit uplink for each station, then each switch (24 port) uplinks via a 4 gb lag connection to the upstream switch, which then links to the app server with a 4 gb bond connection again.
After watching the traffic, people can even watch video on the 100mbit connections. The switches seem to be able to handle it.
Overall, the system feels lagged, well really only when starting to type.. then it looks like it catches up.
Seems that really the only real culprit is icedove (thunderbird)... so I don't really know what I'm asking. Do others have these experiences? or is it just me?
oh yeah 25 concurrent users at one time.
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sorry about the rambles
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nutron: if it's only on icedove, you could try running it as a localapp
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