IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 October 2012   (all times are UTC)

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08:43
<alkisg>
Wow... Ubuntu won't boot with 64 MB RAM, but Debian will boot with 48... damn plymouth bloating the initramfs!
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<muppis>
alkisg, kill it. ;)
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18:21
<vagrantc>
i really like the stackexchange idea, but it seems to require javascript to be useful ... :(
18:25* alkisg read recently that the developers of one of the common linux browsers decided that they won't have an UI option to disable javascript anymore, but can't remember which one was it... epiphany?
18:26
<alkisg>
vagrantc: in debian, the LDM "user name:" box is too small for the greek translation, while in ubuntu it fits nicely...
18:26* alkisg checks where the diff is...
18:29
<alkisg>
Ah, and btw: (10:43:00 πμ) alkisg: Wow... Ubuntu won't boot with 64 MB RAM, but Debian will boot with 48... damn plymouth bloating the initramfs!
18:30* gvy . o O ( 16! )
18:31
<alkisg>
gvy: do you have a chroot handy somewhere that I could clone and test?
18:32
Or, some other easy way to get it, e.g. some live dvd with a premade chroot..
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<gvy>
alkisg, not handy but I can prepare one, lemme see...
18:49
<alkisg>
gvy: cool, if it can really boot with 16mb ram and uses some recent ltsp version, I'd love to ship it in greek schools that only have thin clients and no fats at all...
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<gvy>
a relatively easy way is http://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/4.0/Terminal/current/iso/altlinux-4.0.0-terminal-i586-en-cd.iso
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<gvy>
alkisg, it's partially ltsp4, partially ltsp5 as I've described in ML back in 2007 or 2008
18:51
<alkisg>
Ah... I'm wondering if it'll work with an Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP server then
18:51
<gvy>
you might remember some not-even-mild ubuntu-related trolling and the proposition for the switches between thin client rootfs transport (e.g. NBD/NFS) and application transport (e.g. ssh/X11)
18:52
<alkisg>
Nah, I might have not been subscribed to the ML back then even
18:52
<gvy>
not sure, seems that at least XKB was ill-tweaked since
18:53
<alkisg>
I was just starting to play with linux and ltsp at that time
18:53
<gvy>
at least I did have kbd layout troubles while trying to use 4.0 chroot against 5.1 server
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<alkisg>
Are you using xvesa?
18:53
Or xorg?
18:53
<gvy>
alkisg, if you're feeling brave you can try and borrow a kernel from there but it was 2.6.22 thus definitely lacking KMS
18:53
xorg
18:53
another part was ramzswap
18:54
but generally it wasn't actively used
18:54
(and not used @16M at all)
18:55
<alkisg>
Ubuntu also used compcache/ramzswap, but I didn't like the fact that it ate 25% of the available RAM, I preferred NBD_SWAP instead
18:55
<gvy>
you're better off ramzswapping with NBD as a backing device
18:55
so the traffic is compressed
18:55
(that's how that was autosetup in the image linked to above)
18:55
<alkisg>
No no, my tests showed that ram compression is very bad for ltsp when nbd swapping is available
18:56
Anyways... so, there's no recent ltsp version that boots with 16 MB RAM, right?
18:56
(and/or kernel...)
18:57* vagrantc wonders if ramzswap changed configuration name in recent versions
18:57
<gvy>
it did at least once, so not sure by now :)
18:57
was compcache back then
18:57
ramzswap/zramswap laters
18:58
alkisg, rather no afaik
18:58
<alkisg>
LTSP 4 used to work with 16 mb ram, but I'm afraid about the maintenance overhead of deploying such a solution
19:02
vagrantc: do you have a diff in debian for greeter.c?
19:02
<vagrantc>
alkisg: no
19:03
<alkisg>
Hmmm... the Userprompt is shorter there... :-/
19:03
<vagrantc>
probably a diff in a depending library?
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<vagrantc>
far as i can tell, ramzswap was removed from recent linux versions
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(or never made it out of staging)
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<alkisg>
/lib/modules/3.2.0-32-generic-pae/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
19:06
<vagrantc>
ah, it's called zram now
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<alkisg>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17K Ιούλ 23 08:58 /opt/ltsp/wheezy/lib/modules/3.2.0-3-486/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
19:08
Ah, the problem might be the smaller logo
19:10
Indeed, I tried the Ubuntu logo and the username label was wider now
19:11
/opt/ltsp/thin/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/logo.png: PNG image data, 400 x 122, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
19:11
/opt/ltsp/wheezy/usr/share/ldm/themes/joy/logo.png: PNG image data, 80 x 115, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
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<vagrantc>
highvoltage: ^^
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<alkisg>
highvoltage: at least we could add some transparent border in joy/logo.png so that it's wider but displays the same
19:12
<vagrantc>
probably triggering http://bugs.debian.org/615017
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alkisg: does it cause the problem with the "ltsp" theme?
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<alkisg>
Let me check... LDM_THEME=ltsp ?
19:13
<vagrantc>
yeah
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alkisg: and if so, could you report on the above mentioned bug
19:13
?
19:14
maybe try to reproduce it in german?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: sure, and I can also add a fixed logo.png if you want
19:14
Err german would be a bit difficult, I'd have to backup my chroot etc as I don't have it in a VM that would support snapshots
19:15
<vagrantc>
that's fine, if you're fairly sure it's the same problem for greek
19:15
i can try and test it on the original case.
19:16
<alkisg>
We should also ask Phantomas to try to fix the 16bpp background dithering issue :D
19:17
With the LTSP theme, "Όνομα χρήστη" displays completely, but "Κωδικός πρόσβασης" (Password) is cut at the last character
19:18
<Phantomas>
Maybe, I can take a look :)
19:18* alkisg tries resizing the joy logo.png to 400x115....
19:22
<alkisg>
vagrantc: this one fixes the problem: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=233650
19:24
I think that you can just commit that one and close the bug
19:26
Phantomas: source code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/gtkgreet/greeter.c
19:27
Result: http://imagebin.org/233652
19:27
2 things:
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1) If the debian logo is small, the "Όνομα χρήστη" label gets cut and displays "Όνομα χρήσ"
19:27
Maybe some wrong gtk hbox options there
19:28
2) As you can see, the dithering is awful in 16 bpp, it should display way better than that
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<Phantomas>
yes, it is obviously a wrong packaging of the widgets there
19:29
It seems like they put the logo and the label in a VBox and this VBox inside a HBox along with the entry
19:30
when it should be: A VBox containing the logo and a HBox (which would contain the label and the entry)
19:31
<alkisg>
The logo there now is actually 400 pixels wide, but it's transparent and it doesn't show it
19:31
<Phantomas>
or just set the Fill option to True...
19:31
<alkisg>
Right that might be it
19:32
<Phantomas>
but, let me check the source code :P
19:37
<vagrantc>
patches, especially if non-intrusive, would be wonderful.
19:37
<Phantomas>
line 824: gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_BOX(EntryBox), UserPrompt, FALSE, FALSE, 0);
19:37
I think gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_BOX(EntryBox), UserPrompt, TRUE, FALSE, 0); would fix it
19:38
alkisg: can you try it?
19:38
<alkisg>
Phantomas: sure, in 15' ...
19:38
<vagrantc>
i gotta run soonish, but if either of you could follow up on the bug mentioned above, that would be great.
19:38
<alkisg>
k
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<Phantomas>
bye bye!
19:39
<gvy>
+1
19:43
<Phantomas>
alkisg: but keep in mind that a really big string in the label would make the entry disappear
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<markit>
hi alkisg :) hi Phantomas (have to go, maybe see you later)
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<Phantomas>
btw line 135 is duplicate of 132
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alkisg: ↑
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<alkisg>
ok, I'll try to have a look tomorrow
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