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Channel log from 4 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<kwak>
sbalneav, still there?
00:37
i also noticed that some are getting dhcp reply but some are not.
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<Appiah>
Does anyone have a way to lock settings for all users in Firefox 3?
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<kwak>
what is the correct value for LDM_DIRECT= True or Yes?
03:28
LDM_DIRECTX
03:28
<Appiah>
correct?
03:29
oh
03:29
<nubae>
both are allows
03:29
<kwak>
ic.
03:29
<nubae>
including lower or upper case
03:29
<kwak>
k
03:30
have you tried upgrading 8.04 to 8.10
03:30
<nubae>
ogra: I see the hp mini-note 1000 will sport ubuntu remix...
03:30
kwak: I have
03:30
<kwak>
did it work? I tried a fresh install and some clients didn't boot.
03:30
<nubae>
works fine for me
03:30
did u upgrade the chroot too?
03:31
<kwak>
it's a fresh install of 8.10 so it should be upgrade right? unless i upgrade from 8.04
03:32
<nubae>
thought u said it was an upgrade
03:33
but yes a fresh install should work
03:33
I've tried that too
03:34
<kwak>
well, that's not the case for me, so i decided to install hardy which is doing fine. but will try upgrading hardy later on.
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<alkisg>
I'm trying ltsp trunking, on a server I have 4 NICs eth0 to eth3 with IPs 10.x.x.10 to 10.x.x.13, all connected to the same switch. A TC connects e.g. to eth2 (I confirm it with ps aux on the TC console), but still the data sent to it come from eth0. Why? !!!
04:26
Doesn't nbd answer from the same NIC that the TC connected to? It always uses the 1st NIC?
04:27
<nubae>
u probably need to route the traffic somehow
04:27
<alkisg>
Or should I use subnetting to route the traffic?
04:27
<nubae>
aye
04:28
<alkisg>
Nubae, ty, trying...
04:30
Nubae, can I not use traffic and route from a specific NIC to specific IPs? E.g. eth1 = 10.160.31.11 should be used for clients from 10.160.31.120 to .129, can I do that?
04:30
*not use *subnetting*
04:31
<nubae>
alkisg: not to sure... but google should bring something up
04:31
<alkisg>
Nubae, thanks
04:44
Nubae, confirmed (I changed subnets). I now have to (1) find an easy way for others to do it, (2) do some benchmarks to see if it's worth the trouble (I think it does), and (3) post a how to somewhere! Thanks again.
04:44
I hope iptables will be able to do it without changing subnets
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<Appiah>
Is anyone here using Local Apps today on a current Ubuntu version and LTSP 5?
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<petre>
morning all
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:28
<ogra>
!s
08:28
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:28
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra!
08:28
<ogra>
:)
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<sbalneav>
So, gadi and I spent some time last night, and got a hacked up jetpipe that will (hopefully) have serial support in it.
08:36
I'm gonna look at it now and start cleaning it up a bit.
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<ogra>
didnt you have that two years ago with only a few extra lines?
08:37
just importing socket and using it ?
08:38* ogra reallly liked that code but you never submitted it
08:38
<sbalneav>
No, there's a python serial object we have to use.
08:38
<ogra>
right, that was it
08:38
<sbalneav>
it actually shouldn't make the code that much bigger
08:38
<ogra>
not socket
08:38
<sbalneav>
Anyway, Gadi's a happy boy.
08:38
<ogra>
but i thought that existed long ago
08:39
just not in the main code :)
08:39
<sbalneav>
No, I never fully got it to work.
08:39
<ogra>
ah
08:39
<sbalneav>
this looks much closer.
08:39
just needs some cleanup
08:39
<ogra>
nice
08:45
<Gadi>
sbalneav: I cleaned up some
08:45
let me send you what I did
08:45
still trying to get this stupid label printer to react
08:45
but, its not jetpipe's fault
08:45
<ogra>
cups ?
08:45
<Gadi>
no
08:45
its the printer
08:45
<rjune__>
!g
08:45
<ltspbot>
rjune__: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:45
<Gadi>
hey, rjune__
08:46
<rjune__>
job fail.
08:46
<Gadi>
nah - these label printers are a wierd beastie
08:47
*weird
08:47
<ogra>
wired ?
08:47
:)
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<Gadi>
hmm I wonder if the printer needs bidirectional communication to do anything
08:53
crap
08:53* Gadi needs a regular serial printer
08:54
<Appiah>
;)
08:54
<Gadi>
anyone out there have a serial printer?
08:54
<ogra>
you should be able to set that up on BIOS
08:54
<Gadi>
ogra: jetpipe is not bidirectional atm
08:54
<ogra>
no, it isnt
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: You sent via email?
09:02
<Appiah>
I'm gonna try to put on some local apps on my client image , but how do I know how much RAM that will be required by my thin clients that will run this later?
09:02
I dont have them here to try right away >_>
09:02
So I do it in a VM
09:04
<nubae>
24 inch monitor now costs 275€
09:04
incredible how prices have dropped
09:07* Appiah is still using a 17" and 19"
09:08
<sbalneav>
Appiah: Dude, think about what you just asked.
09:08
<Appiah>
sbalneav: huh?
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<jammcq>
Goood morning #LTSP
09:08
<ogra>
!j
09:09
<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
09:09
<ogra>
:P
09:09
<sbalneav>
"I'm gonna try to put on some local apps on my client image , but how do I know how much RAM that will be required by my thin clients that will run this later
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<sbalneav>
What apps!?!?
09:09
How can we make a suggestion if you don't tell us what apps you plan to run? :)
09:09
<Gadi>
sbalneav: yes
09:09
sent
09:09
<sbalneav>
Gadi: thanks
09:09
<Gadi>
to ur ltsp.org
09:10
<Appiah>
I'm not asking for suggestions , I'm asking if there's a way to see while I'm making the image
09:10
<nubae>
Appiah: run them on a fatclient
09:10
then ntop to see ram usage
09:10
<ogra>
htop :)
09:10
<sbalneav>
Size of the app on disk has no relation to size of the app in memory.
09:10
<nubae>
:p
09:11
<sbalneav>
int main() { char c[10000000000000000] = "" }
09:11
<Appiah>
I mean , Can I put as many applications on the local image with no restriction?
09:11
<sbalneav>
there's an app that only takes up a k or two, but allocates 100's of gigs :)
09:11
Appiah: sure
09:11
<stgraber>
sbalneav: Is there a way to modify the user environement using some rc scripts ? Like doing a session-wide export
09:11
<Appiah>
oh
09:12
<sbalneav>
stgraber: I usually put things like that in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
09:13
Appiah: Obviously, if you plan to run something like gvim locally, its going to take a LOT less ram than, say, running firefox + flash locally.
09:13
<Appiah>
Ye I understand that sbalneav
09:13
but that was not where I was going
09:13
I think I just missunderstood how local app work
09:13
<ogra>
and for flash it even depends on the content you use in the flash appelt
09:13
<stgraber>
right, that'd work, having it done in LDM, I could turn it on/off using some lts.conf parameters though (it's for Compiz). But that's not a problem as the fix will be in Jaunty anyway
09:13
<Appiah>
I'll read up on it and try it
09:14
and ask if I get stuck intead ;)
09:14
<jammcq>
plus, keep in mind, firefox will eventually use ALL your ram
09:14
<Appiah>
ofcourse
09:14
<sbalneav>
If you're running localapps, I'd recommend STARTING with at least a gig in the clients.
09:14
<Appiah>
ouch
09:14
<jammcq>
a gig ?
09:14* ogra wouldnt be that drastic
09:14
<sbalneav>
Sure.
09:15
<jammcq>
there's plenty of people who run laptops with only 1/2 gig
09:15
<ogra>
but 512M ...
09:15
<Appiah>
I dont think we even have any thin clients with 1 gig
09:15
<nubae>
that much?
09:15
<ogra>
jammcq, they have swap though
09:15
so swap is essential
09:15* jammcq wonders what this world is coming to
09:15
<nubae>
well fatclient works fine on 256mb
09:15
<sbalneav>
I've got 1/2 gig in my lapttop. If I get about 6 or seven firefox pages open, with a flash video on one, I hit swap.
09:15
<ogra>
and i'd recommend using the swapfiles on te server in a tmpfs
09:16
<sbalneav>
I'm saying if you don't want to hit network swap that often.
09:16* ogra wanted to write a howto for that sicne years
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<nubae>
ogra: what is the advantage there?
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<ogra>
nubae, speed
09:16
<jammcq>
dtrask: hey
09:17
<Appiah>
I hope there will be more on local apps
09:17
<nubae>
right but why?
09:17
<ogra>
you dont have to rely on disk access speed
09:17
<dtrask>
hey
09:17
<ogra>
on an already busy server
09:17
<jammcq>
disk access speed isn't the bottleneck
09:17
<nubae>
ah ok gotcha
09:17
<ogra>
jammcq, depends
09:18
<dtrask>
jammcq: Just letting you know I'll prolly be there late Friday night or very early Sat a.m.
09:18
<ogra>
if you only have a handfull of clients on a fast net you notice the tmpfs swap
09:18
<jammcq>
dtrask: oh? we need you there ALL the time
09:18
<dtrask>
jammcq: we have a Halloween Dance at school that I really need to be there for on Fri night
09:18
<sbalneav>
Me, personally, when I upgraded all my terminal mobos, I put a gig in each of them.
09:18
<dtrask>
jammcq: I'd love too, but....
09:18
<jammcq>
umm, dtrask..... halloween was last friday
09:18
<dtrask>
jammcq: I know....not my decision
09:19
jammcq: looking forward to seeing you all...
09:20
jammcq: If I can pull it off (aka get a substitute for me) I will try for earlier on Friday
09:20
jammcq: I'll bring beer?
09:20
<ogra>
why the question mark ?
09:21
beer should only be used with an exclamation mark in the same sentence !
09:21
<dtrask>
jammcq: ? of appeasement :-) Hey...will Ragnar be able to join us? How about Togami?
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<jammcq>
dtrask: yes and yes
09:22
<dtrask>
jammcq: awesome....
09:23
jammcq: makes mental note to buy Scotch for ragnar
09:23
<rjune__>
jammcq: howdy
09:23
<dtrask>
LOl
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<sbalneav>
Bring. Beer. Period.
09:24
<jammcq>
rjune__: hey
09:24
rjune__: you start the new job yet?
09:24
<rjune__>
jammcq: security clearance fail
09:24
<jammcq>
oh no !!!!!
09:24
checkered past?
09:24
<dtrask>
sbalneav: any preferences? None of that Canadian crap right? ;-)
09:25
<rjune__>
jammcq: financially ugly
09:25
<jammcq>
ah
09:25
<sbalneav>
There are good Canadian beers, there are crap Canadian Beers. There are good american beers, there are crap american beers.
09:25
<dtrask>
jammcq: we doing lopstah Sat night?
09:25
<jammcq>
dtrask: ubetcha
09:26
<sbalneav>
There are good ${COUNTRY} beers, there are crap ${COUNTRY} beers.
09:26
I have only one requirement
09:26
<dtrask>
sbalneav: Amen....I was just poking fun....me? I'm local micro-brews guy....in Indianapolis I had an awesome ale called ButtFace ale ;-)
09:26
<sbalneav>
for BEER in ${COUNTRY}; do
09:26
<rjune__>
jammcq: yup
09:26
<dtrask>
sbalneav: LOL!
09:26
<rjune__>
sucky
09:26
<sbalneav>
if [ $BEER == "good"]; then
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drink($BEER)
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fi
09:27
done
09:27
<dtrask>
sbalneav: I have a pic of the ButtFace logo I'll show you Friday
09:27
<brendan0powers>
dtrask: hello
09:27
<dtrask>
sbalneav: It works!
09:27
<sbalneav>
That's the most debugged piece of code I've ever written!
09:28
Never let me down yet!
09:28
<rjune__>
heh
09:28
<sbalneav>
Microbrews are great. Never had a bad one yet.
09:28
I even loved the Cherry beer that almost made ogra turn green! :)
09:28
<dtrask>
sbalneav: Bar Harbor Brewing Co. makes some nice ones
09:29
sbalneav: Hey is Ogra coming?
09:29
<sbalneav>
Unfortunately, not this time. Fambly committments
09:29
<Appiah>
Are you talking about the hackfest?
09:29
<dtrask>
sbalneav: aww....although /me understands...family first
09:29
yep
09:30
<sbalneav>
Appiah: yessir
09:30
<Appiah>
Sounds awesome, hope it will turn out great
09:30
<dtrask>
as we Mainers say....."wicked fun"
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<Appiah>
Is the hackfest every year? how times has there been one?
09:34
<jammcq>
we try to do it twice a year
09:34
<sbalneav>
We usually manage to squeek in a couple a year
09:34
jammcq: what, 4, 5 years now?
09:35
<jammcq>
well, this will be the 4th time in southwest harbor. although the 1st time was just me, eharrison, dtrask and cliebow
09:35
<sbalneav>
Gadi: hmmm still haven't got it yet.
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<jammcq>
next summer is the big one. LTSP turns 10 years old
09:36
gonna try to get as many as possible down to brazil
09:37
<chrisinajar>
jammcq: why brazil?
09:37
<jammcq>
there's a big conference down there called FISL
09:37
<chrisinajar>
ah.
09:37
that's neat
09:37
<jammcq>
and lots of LTSP has been deployed in brazil
09:38
<chrisinajar>
hmm, that's interesting.
09:38
<jammcq>
and I know the conference organizers really well, and we're gonna incorporate our hackfest into their conference
09:38
so there will be some talks at the conf about LTSP
09:38
<chrisinajar>
that's pretty cool. I probably wont be able to make it to that one, but best of luck :)
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<jammcq>
hopefully we'll have someone from each distro giving a talk about their particular implementation
09:39
<chrisinajar>
well, i hope someone records it as that sounds interesting.
09:39
it would make a good webcast :)
09:40
<jammcq>
yeah, it'd be a good idea to get some video of those talks
09:41
<sbalneav>
workping meeting
09:41
<dtrask>
chrisinajar: hey...we'll finally meet in Maine....Brendan says you're coming Thursday?
09:41
<chrisinajar>
dtrask: sure am!
09:41
<jammcq>
chrisinajar: you staying friday too?
09:41
<chrisinajar>
we're going thurs - sun
09:41
<jammcq>
ah, cool
09:42
cuz most of us will be arriving late on thursday
09:42
<chrisinajar>
i think we'll be ariving aroung 6pm-ish...
09:42
<dtrask>
jammcq: Chris and Brendan are the folks I told you about....from NH....good guys....I think Warren is coming Sat...Warren Luebekeman not togami
09:43* nubae hopes there will be some in Europe too
09:43
<stgraber>
chrisinajar: oh, you are the Resara guy I haven't met ? :)
09:43
<jammcq>
cool
09:43
<stgraber>
chrisinajar: (= who didn't come to Sherbrooke some weeks ago)
09:43
<jammcq>
nubae: well, maybe next year we can do a european hackfest. I always love an excuse to get over there
09:44
<dtrask>
stgraber: ditto here too....I haven't met him either....I need to "chide" him for an "oops" moment with my server ;-)
09:44
stgraber: you coming to Maine?
09:44
<stgraber>
dtrask: yep
09:44
<dtrask>
stgraber: awesome!
09:44
<ogra>
dtrask, there has to be at least one ubuntu guy :)
09:44
<stgraber>
ogra: right :)
09:45
<dtrask>
ogra: we'll miss you
09:45
<ogra>
i'll mis you guys too :(
09:45
i'm really sad i cant come
09:45
<stgraber>
ogra: do you have skype ? :)
09:45
<ogra>
stgraber, ekiga
09:45
we use it in the company all the time
09:45
<dtrask>
brb....teaching Scratch to 3rd graders...they're going nuts...
09:45
<stgraber>
oh, I'll need to install ekiga as localapp then
09:45
ogra: funny, all the Canonical guys I know always asked for skype ... (mainly LP people)
09:46
<ogra>
stgraber, yeah, QA and LP somehow are "different" it seems :)
09:46
<stgraber>
yeah
09:46
we use skype a lot ... ekiga as localapp I'm not sure it'll work well as it depends on gconf and gconf as localapp tends to break everything
09:46
<ogra>
mobile team uses ekiga, we have the asterisk server up since yeras
09:47
i actually did one of my first ekiga calls ever with sbalneav :)
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<dtrask>
this is so cool....I have a 3rd grader on a SMARTboard showing others how to edit a script in SCRATCH
09:48
<ogra>
dtrask, did you see nubae's work of integrating sugar with ltsp ?
09:48
might be an intresting option for your kids
09:48
<nubae>
!sugar
09:48
<ltspbot>
nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
09:48
<stgraber>
ogra: argh, exactly what I was affraid of, ekiga depends on evolution-data-server and gconf, that's really bad as it'll not only make ekiga to show scary error messages but firefox too ...
09:49
<ogra>
??
09:49
why is that
09:49
<dtrask>
ogra: haven't seen it, but was aware of it....I met Walter Bender of SugarLabs in Indianapolis a month or so ago....had a nice talk with him about Sugar and LTSP or terminals in general
09:49
<ogra>
ah
09:50
well, nubae has doen the integration in intrepid
09:51
stgraber, sip:7616@canonical.com btw ...
09:51
<stgraber>
ogra: gconf trying to connect to dbus, but this one is on the server (it gets the dbus address from a xprop IIRC)
09:52
<ogra>
dbus runs on the client in intrepid
09:52
at least a system bus
09:52
<dtrask>
ogra: will it be a session choice or an "all or nothing"?
09:52
<brendan0powers>
ogra: so you use asterisk for internal company communications?
09:52
<ogra>
stgraber, we urgently need LDM -> session dbus intregration
09:53
<stgraber>
ogra: not the same one, IIRC I get some permission denied and similar thing in the console, but yes we really need dbus session integration
09:53
<ogra>
brendan0powers, no, mainly IRC ... but asterisk as an additional option
09:53
<nubae>
dtrask: yeah I've been working with sugarlabs on ltsp and sugar... they are highly enthusiastic about LTSP... we have 2 deployments here in Austria
09:54
<stgraber>
ogra: here it's mainly Jabber+asterisk (VOIP phone) but with the recent work on telepathy we may use it a lot more in the future (voip over jabber, even webcam)
09:54
<ogra>
yeah
09:54
ekiga still sucks for webcam use but the voice quality beats every POTS or cellphone
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<nubae>
Austria is the first European country with xos deployed too!
09:55
<stgraber>
ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67373
09:55
<elwarreno>
howdy dtrask
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<dtrask>
elwarreno: howdy
09:55
CHUCKY!
09:55
<stgraber>
ogra: that's starting firefox after I installed gconf, no problem without gconf
09:55
<ogra>
stgraber, hmm
09:55
<elwarreno>
so what is the food situation at LTSP by the sea like?
09:56
where do we get breakfast/lunch/dinner
09:56
<dtrask>
cliebow: get those lopstahs ready
09:56
<elwarreno>
and who's buying?
09:56
<dtrask>
elwarreno: local restaurants/pubs/diners and you are
09:56
<jammcq>
saturday night is the big dinner
09:56
<dtrask>
LOL
09:56
<jammcq>
that'll be sponsored by DisklessWorkstations.com
09:56
<elwarreno>
i seeee
09:56
<stgraber>
ogra: ekiga just won't start :( (complains about gconf, then complains a bit more about gconf and fails)
09:56
<cliebow>
dtrask..i be ready
09:57
<dtrask>
jammcq: you going back to that restaurant we went to last year during the storm?
09:57
nice place
09:57
<jammcq>
saturday morning, for breakfast, we'll prolly head to that pancake place over in bar harbor
09:57
<ogra>
stgraber, try running g-s-d
09:57
<cliebow>
it is our civic duty to buy ots o lobsters
09:57
<dtrask>
Jordans pancake house....awesome place
09:57
<jammcq>
dtrask: nope, this time we'll be back in the dining room at the workshop
09:57
<elwarreno>
i won't be able to make it till saturday afternoon, unless i come in very late on Friday
09:57
<cliebow>
i like that idea..
09:57
<stgraber>
ogra: I don't have it (remember we're talking localapp there, I don't have a whole ubuntu desktop installed in the chroot :))
09:58
<elwarreno>
how many people are coming?
09:58
<dtrask>
elwarreno: do late on Friday that's what I'm doing
09:58
<jammcq>
friday, we'll prolly grab pizza from that place around the corner from the seawall
09:58
<ogra>
stgraber, install it and it should be able to connect
09:58
<jammcq>
should be 15-18 people
09:58
<ogra>
probably needs to run through dbus-launch
09:58
so a session daemon gets started with it
09:59* stgraber feels a out of disk error approching :) (installing in the aufs)
09:59
<ogra>
it will use gconf from the sshfs mount then
09:59
<elwarreno>
dtrask: how late?
09:59
<jammcq>
big breakfast and dinner on saturday, prolly won't be an official lunch
09:59
<cliebow>
dtrask..my workplace has a new name..the imorgue
09:59
..
09:59
<elwarreno>
i can't believe so many people use IRC
09:59
i feel like its 1994
09:59
<cliebow>
laptops check in..they don't check out..
09:59
<chrisinajar>
elwarreno: irc is where it's at :-P
09:59
<ogra>
elwarreno, ubuntu is built on IRC :)
10:00
<stgraber>
ogra: g-s-t says nothing and exit :(
10:00
<elwarreno>
fascinating
10:00
<dtrask>
elwarreno: get used to it....it's the way LTSP and ubuntu communicate....join the ubuntu channel and watch the fun....too fast for me
10:00
<ogra>
stgraber, try to start it through dbus-launch
10:01
dtrask, you should once come by on release day in #ubuntu-release-party ;)
10:01
<stgraber>
ogra: same result
10:01
<ogra>
weird
10:01* dtrask can abuse himself in SW Harbor...no school again until wed
10:01
<jammcq>
whoa
10:01
nice
10:01
<stgraber>
ogra: ah no, it actually started in the background this time .)
10:01
<dtrask>
ogra: I bet....pretty insane huh?
10:01
<ogra>
yeah
10:01
<chrisinajar>
ogra: I was on the firefox channel durring the countdown for firefox 3, it was completely rediculous...
10:02
<stgraber>
ogra: and ekiga works
10:02
<ogra>
cool
10:02
<brendan0powers>
dtrask: why no school till wednesday?
10:02
<chrisinajar>
ogra: and the website broke like, an hour before launch :-P
10:02* dtrask might get like Ragnar did last year LOL
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<ogra>
yeah, the ubuntu servers are unreachable for several days after release usually
10:02
<jammcq>
dtrask: you sure that's a good idea?
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10:03
<dtrask>
brendan0powers: comp day on Monday in exchange for Parent conferences this week (eves) and then Veterans Day
10:03
<Blinny>
Morning - I'm rolling out a new LTSP server this morning and am receiving lots of tftpd timeouts in /var/log/syslog
10:03
<dtrask>
jammcq: good point....I'll stick to beer
10:03
<elwarreno>
brendan has quite a drinking problem, don't incourage him
10:03
<dtrask>
elwarreno: LOL
10:03
<ogra>
elwarreno, dont get him to close to ragnar then
10:03
<dtrask>
elwarreno: what....Mtn. Dew? LOL
10:03
<jammcq>
or Gadi for that matter
10:03
<elwarreno>
he likes his tequila
10:04
<stgraber>
ogra: video not working, isn't ekiga supposed to support v4l2 ?
10:04
<ogra>
stgraber, it is, but it somehow broke right before release, not sure what that is yet
10:04
voip wil work fine though
10:05
<stgraber>
ogra: oh, it works, I was just missing the v4l2 lib for ekiga
10:05
<dtrask>
stgraber: Ekiga on what? Works fine for me on my lappy using Intrepid
10:05
<ogra>
but we pulled in some security fixes from fedora for v4l that seem to have broken everything
10:05
<dtrask>
video and all
10:05
<ogra>
dtrask, its realy a matter of the webcam you have
10:05
<dtrask>
jammcq: Is Gadi coming?
10:05
<stgraber>
dtrask: on a thin client
10:05
<jammcq>
ubetcha
10:05
<ogra>
dtrask, is whisky kosher ?
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10:06
<ogra>
what a question :)
10:06
<dtrask>
stgraber: gotcha....I have a System76 Darter Ultra 2....they wrote or provided the driver for the webcam....lappy comes with ubuntu
10:07
<stgraber>
dtrask: this one is uvcvideo, so works out of the box with v4l2, I was just missing v4l2 support it seems
10:07
<dtrask>
ogra: long as it doesn't touch any pork? (actually dunno, but I've seen Gadi drink quite heavily....he's a riot when he gets going)
10:07
stgraber: hmmmm
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10:08
<stgraber>
ogra: did you get the call ?
10:08
ogra: looks like I'd have to play a bit with the NAT to make it work, or just use our asterisk
10:08
<ogra>
stgraber, yeah, sorry didnt have my headset plugged in
10:08
<dtrask>
LOL
10:08
whoops
10:09
<ogra>
try again :)
10:09
<stgraber>
ogra: I can hear you
10:09
<Blinny>
!docs
10:09
<ltspbot>
Blinny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
10:09
<ogra>
stgraber, hmm, cant hear you
10:10
stgraber, probably pulse
10:10
on the client
10:10
<dtrask>
brb....new class...4th graders....need to show them how to make a sprite interact with colors in SCRATCH
10:10
<stgraber>
yeah, I'll start it using padsp, works for skype
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10:10
<nubae>
can one set nbd to use ext3?
10:11
<ogra>
nubae, if you create an ext3 image, why not
10:11
you need to change the mount options in ltsp_nbd
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10:11
<nubae>
and then I can use that to do persistent changes on the client itself, right?
10:11
instead of rebuilding all the time
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10:12
<ogra>
well, it needs to be big enough
10:12
and indeed you need one image per client
10:13
stgraber, is your mic muted
10:13
?
10:13
<nubae>
right, just for testing though... after I can turn it back to mksquashfs
10:13
well, or rebuild it again
10:14
<Blinny>
Wow - on this new server the 'Trying to load /pxelinux.cfg/***' takes a really long time to iterate through all the options. Any easy solution?
10:14
<nubae>
big enough?
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10:20
<dtrask>
stgraber: what does padsp do? Is it a wrapper for pulseaudio?
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10:20
<dtrask>
stgraber: I remember esddsp
10:20* dtrask I think
10:21
<ogra>
perfect !
10:21
so we have localapp support with ekiga on clients :)
10:21
dtrask, its very similar, yes
10:21
<Gadi>
ogra: Ive had that since Breezy ;P
10:22
sorry - couldnt resist
10:22
<ogra>
Gadi, in a default setup without much hackery ?
10:22
<Gadi>
:)
10:22
<ogra>
pfft
10:22
<dtrask>
Gadi: LOL
10:22
ping elwarreno
10:23
<Gadi>
sbalneav: the label printer likes USB - even with new jetpipe
10:23
so, at least we didnt break anything ;)
10:23
<dtrask>
LOL
10:23
stgraber: thx
10:24
<rjune__>
dtrask: howdy
10:24
<Gadi>
barring having a useful test subject, I think I am gonna push this new jetpipe into an update and see if it makes the customer happy
10:24
:)
10:24
<dtrask>
rjune__: dude!
10:24
<Gadi>
man, some days I feel like M$
10:24
<ogra>
Gadi, thats mean
10:24
<dtrask>
rjune__: you should come back to Maine
10:24
<rjune__>
one day I will
10:25
<ogra>
oh, dont you guys have elections today ?
10:25
<dtrask>
Gadi: you mean using M$ or you feel like throwing chairs and dancing like a monkeyboy (aka Balmer)
10:25
<ogra>
.oO( why teh heck do they do that during teh week ?)
10:25
<dtrask>
ogra: Yep....who do you want me to vote for
10:25
<Gadi>
nah, like using users as test subjects ;)
10:26
<ogra>
dtrask, the better one :)
10:26
<dtrask>
ogra: thx...big help
10:26
<ogra>
heh
10:26
<nubae>
lesser of 2 evils
10:26
<Gadi>
we should all write in jammcq
10:26* dtrask is going to write in jammcq
10:26
<Gadi>
:)
10:26
<dtrask>
LOL
10:26
<ogra>
hehe
10:27
<jammcq>
very funny
10:28
<dtrask>
how about sbalneav...America's first Canadian president...to hell with the rules!
10:28
<jammcq>
we don't need no stinkin rules
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10:30
<cliebow>
be the first time i vote FOR someone instead of against
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10:31
<dtrask>
so how are the voting line where you live?
10:31* dtrask asks that question of anyone who can answer
10:31
<jammcq>
my wife waited 75 minutes
10:32* dtrask is going to bring his n800 to play tetris
10:32
<ogra>
that gives you the proper GDR feeling :)
10:32
<jammcq>
then as she was leaving, she called me to say the lines were much shorter. I got there and waited about 10 minutes
10:32
<dtrask>
or surf via bluetooth
10:32
<ogra>
though they waited 3h for one banana back then :)
10:32
<cliebow>
should vote in southwest harbor..
10:32
<pscheie>
I got to the poll about 9:30, took about 25 minutes, not bad
10:32
<dtrask>
cliebow: yeah....all 3 of you can vote at once
10:33
<pscheie>
I heard that folks who arrived at 6:30 took 90 minutes
10:33
<cliebow>
hee!
10:33* vagrantc lives somewhere where the postal system is trusted with ballots
10:33
<dtrask>
I'm going after school....thought about voting early (absentee) but there's something about being part of election day
10:33
<alkisg>
Blinny, which tftp server are you using? Is it fast if used locally? (tftp localhost, fetch some big file).
10:34* vagrantc doesn't trust it though
10:34
<dtrask>
vagrantc: Ok....that's pretty funny when you put it like that
10:35* dtrask wonders if we'll really know who it is when we wake up tomorrow
10:35
<dtrask>
or will we wait for the Florida ballot examiners
10:35
well....off to lunch....
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<devilbues>
Hi, can anybody tell me how do I login to shell on ltsp5? It gives me "login incorrect" error
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10:54
<nubae>
devilbues: set the password in the chroot: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd root
10:55
also unlock it: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u
10:55
<Gadi>
ogra: ltsp-client depends on acpid these days?
10:55* Gadi has to get with the times
10:55
<ogra>
Gadi, it does since you complained
10:55
<vagrantc>
devilbues: set SCREEN_NN=shell
10:55
<ogra>
Gadi, which was during gutsy development i think
10:55
<Gadi>
:)
10:55
hehe
10:55
was that me?
10:55
:)
10:56
<ogra>
Gadi, and before acpid was a dep of ubuntu-minimal
10:56
<Gadi>
yeah, well
10:56
<ogra>
so it should always have been installed
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<Gadi>
I don't complain, I suggest in a completely transparent way that makes you feel foolish ;)
10:57
<ogra>
right :)
10:57* ogra gets a beer to get drunk and feel less foolish
11:00
<devilbues>
nubae: I've run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u root , but it gives me user account expired
11:02
<ogra>
devilbues, you need to set the pw after unlocking
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11:02
<nubae>
yeah I posted the wrong way round
11:02
<devilbues>
ogra: done that
11:03
<ogra>
and run ltsp-update-image
11:03
<vagrantc>
don't forget chage
11:03
<nubae>
chage? new command?
11:03
<vagrantc>
there was a regression in debian that ubuntu pulled with "passwd -l" also expired accounts.
11:03
<ogra>
chage ?
11:03
shouldnt -u do that ?
11:03
<vagrantc>
and you need to use chage to unset the expiry
11:04
<ogra>
ah
11:04
inherited breakage ... fun
11:04
<nubae>
oh great thats a new one
11:04
<vagrantc>
ogra: i think inherrited into an LTS release, no less.
11:04
<ogra>
likely intrepid only though
11:04
<nubae>
stops any normal user getting into chroot
11:04
<ogra>
oh ? hardy as well ?
11:04
meh
11:04* vagrantc prefers SCREEN_NN=shell anyways.
11:05
<ogra>
yeah, easier than re-rolling the image all the time
11:05
<nubae>
vagrantc: what about users modifying their chroot?
11:05
<ogra>
users ?
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11:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: it was fixed in 1:4.1.1-3 of shadow
11:05
<Gadi>
ogra: do you have any local printers?
11:05
<nubae>
bah k... h4korz
11:06
<vagrantc>
nubae: what about it?
11:06
<ogra>
Gadi, in ltsp ? not currently
11:06
<Gadi>
ah ok
11:06
maybe I'll pastebin what we have in the channel, and if anyone wants to triple check that it doesnt break anything, that'd be great
11:06
<devilbues>
ogra: chage tells me that the account never expires
11:06
<ogra>
vagrantc, gah, 1:4.1.1-1ubuntu1
11:07
Gadi, throw it in
11:07
<nubae>
well, in both hardy and intrepid, I did passwd -u and that fixed the password expiry thing
11:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: in hardy?
11:07
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "jetpipe2 - The revenge of jetpipe" (200 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/89
11:07
<ogra>
vagrantc, worse, intrepid
11:08
<nubae>
y should the root password of the chroot be locked anyway?
11:08
<Gadi>
I think it requires python-serial
11:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: why is that worse?
11:08
<Gadi>
dunno if that is in the chroot already
11:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: intrepid only annoys you for 18 months.
11:08
<ogra>
vagrantc, pfft
11:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: looks like the bug was present since 1:4.0.18.1-10
11:08
<ogra>
but wont see as much attention with SRUs
11:09
<vagrantc>
so you've probably had it for a couple releases.
11:09
<ogra>
Gadi, i doubt python-serial is there yet
11:09
Gadi, i'd prefer to keep the copyright notices together in one place
11:10
Gadi, also whats the license for that added parts ?
11:10
<sbalneav>
Gadi: I'm still having a problem with @ltsp.org, could you mail to @legalaid.mb.ca?
11:10
<Gadi>
sbalneav: sure
11:10
<sbalneav>
get it working, BTW?
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11:11
<sbalneav>
I've been in a meeting most of the morning
11:11
<ogra>
if devicename[:8] == '/dev/tty':
11:11
<Gadi>
sbalneav: well, I tested that it didnt break anything
11:11
ie, USB printing works
11:11
<ogra>
probably better to use .startswith
11:11
<Gadi>
still working on testing serial properly
11:11
<sbalneav>
it needs a LOT of cleanup
11:12
<Gadi>
sbalneav: are you sbalneav@
11:12
?
11:12
<sbalneav>
Always
11:12
It was the first userid I ever got, and the only one I've ever had :)
11:13
<Gadi>
sent
11:13
<vagrantc>
in true unix form, missing a few letters!
11:13
<sbalneav>
I have a hard enough time keeping multiple passwords in my head. Multiple userids? forget it.
11:13
<ogra>
why is the whole fork mchanism commented ?
11:13
<sbalneav>
First letter of first name, as many characters from the last name to round out to 8 characters :)
11:13
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, just write them all down on sticky notes and stick them to your monitor, so you won't forget them
11:14
<Gadi>
sbalneav: do I need to comment out all the comments to daemonize?
11:14
<sbalneav>
ogra: for testing so we can see debugging output :)
11:14
<ogra>
sbalneav, ah, i though you planned to keep it like that :)
11:14
<sbalneav>
yep
11:14
<ogra>
well, apart from the comments i made it looks good to me
11:14* vagrantc has a different password for every tty
11:15
<vagrantc>
including psuedo-ttys
11:15
<jammcq>
vagrantc: that's alot of sticky notes
11:15
<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah, had to get a larger screen
11:15
<devilbues>
ogra: it doesn't work, logiin incorrect
11:16
<vagrantc>
and lower my effective resolution to 320x240
11:16
<ogra>
sbalneav, Gadi oh, you should probably use the optionparser module instead of getopt
11:16
<vagrantc>
y'all re-implementing jetpipe in python again or something?
11:16
<sbalneav>
we just stole that from the example program, yeah, we should do a lot of cleanup
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<ogra>
vagrantc, just adding serial support to make Gadi happy
11:17
<sbalneav>
I'd love to see some syslogging, and a lot more exception handling
11:18
<vagrantc>
it's very important to keep Gadi happy.
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<vagrantc>
or else!
11:18* sbalneav racks his brain
11:18
<Gadi>
hehe
11:18
well, its the little things
11:18
<sbalneav>
So, correct me if I'm wrong
11:18
<Gadi>
that we keep on the backburner
11:18
until my customers need them
11:18
:D
11:18
<hanthana_>
guys
11:19
i am new to ltsp
11:19
<sbalneav>
we've got a HUGE amount of stuff that's over-and-above what was in 4.2... but I think serial support for printing's like the LAST thing that "was in 4.2 that isn't in 5"
11:19
<hanthana_>
how may collect more information on implementation,etc
11:19
<ogra>
sbalneav, yeah
11:19
<sbalneav>
!doco
11:19
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
11:20
<sbalneav>
hanthana_: check there
11:20
<vagrantc>
that and absurdly fast boot times
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11:20
<ogra>
vagrantc, we'll get there
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<ogra>
vagrantc, jaunty is supposed to add insanely fast boottimes ... only a matter f time that this then enters sid :)
11:20
<sbalneav>
For my boxes, it's only taking about 35 seconds.
11:21
<ogra>
sbalneav, 35 secs ... pffft
11:21
<sbalneav>
I think the single biggest slowdown now seems to be udev, when it's enumerating devices.
11:21
<ogra>
we're aiming at 20 or less
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11:21
<ogra>
you can pull out the udevadm settle call fro the initscript
11:21
then it wont wait
11:22
<hanthana>
thanks sbalneav :)
11:22
<dtrask>
ogra: just curious....what do you see as being the magic pill for acheiving these insane 10 second boot times?
11:22
<ogra>
but be careful, on very fat HW that produces races
11:22
dtrask, i didnt say 10 :)
11:22
<hanthana>
sbalneav: any specific mailing list?
11:22
<ogra>
10 isnt possible
11:22
<dtrask>
ogra: oops...sorry....20
11:22* jammcq wonders if those insanely fast boot times will also work on thin clients
11:22
<sbalneav>
hanthana: ltsp-discuss at sourceforge
11:22
<ogra>
jammcq, they will
11:23
<dtrask>
jammcq: now THAT would be cool
11:23
<warren>
you need hardware specific builds of the kernel
11:23
<sbalneav>
what have they been tweaking? udev?
11:23
<hanthana>
thanks sbalneav
11:23
<warren>
sbalneav: mainly kernel
11:23
<ogra>
Keybuk is currently working on a scheme to merge modues into classified binary blobs that merge with the kernel binary on boot for example
11:23
*modules
11:23
<jammcq>
hmm, cool
11:23
<ogra>
that means no modprobe at all
11:23
<warren>
classified binary blobs?
11:23
<ogra>
yeah
11:23
<jammcq>
ok, lunch time
11:24
see ya'll in a bit
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11:24
<dtrask>
ogra: LOL...binary blobs....is that a new term?
11:24
<devilbues>
can anybody help me, I can't login to shell
11:24
<ogra>
warren, images with clases of drivers
11:24
<jammcq>
and if you are coming to BTS, PLEASE sign up on the wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
11:24
<warren>
classified binary blobs sounds like government secrets and GPL violations =)
11:24
<sbalneav>
When I actually look at an ltsp workstation booting, it spends pretty much all it's time booting the kernel and enumerating udev. Once it starts actually RUNNING the ltsp stuff, it's faster than anything.
11:24
<warren>
The NSA backdoor spying code is in userspace, not kernel. Duh.
11:25
<ogra>
warren, on first boot you profile your system and greate a binary image of the .o files ... on second boot these get merged as needed
11:25
<sbalneav>
warren: Well, if it's userspace, then kill -9 should take care of it :_
11:25
:)
11:25
<ogra>
no more insmod or modprobe
11:25
only for dynamically added HW
11:25
<sbalneav>
devilbues: What are you trying to do?
11:26
<ogra>
that should circumvent the whole coldplug mechanism
11:26
which is the part taking most time
11:26
beyond that we are looing into squashfs initramfs instead of using cramfs
11:26
<devilbues>
sbalneav: I want to login to shell, and it gives me login incorrect, I changed the root password and unlocked it, but it doesn't work
11:27
<ogra>
that should be only taking 1/3 of the time to uncompress
11:27
<sbalneav>
devilbues: Did you rebuild the image and reboot?
11:27
(the thin client, I mean)
11:27
<devilbues>
yed I did
11:27
<ogra>
and followed vagrantc's suggestion to use chage
11:27
<sbalneav>
Can you tell me the steps you took to accomplish this?
11:27
<ogra>
?
11:28
<sbalneav>
Should be:
11:28
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
11:28
passwd -u root
11:28
exit
11:28
ltsp-update-image
11:28
reboot workstation
11:29
<devilbues>
ogra: I've run chage, but I don't see what exactly what I have to do
11:29
the account doesn't have expiration date
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11:30
<ogra>
chage -E -1
11:30
i'd guess
11:30
or -I -1
11:30
<sbalneav>
I've always just done passwd -u
11:31
<ogra>
sbalneav, apparently that doesnt work anymore according to vagrantc
11:31
<devilbues>
ogra: nopes
11:31
<sbalneav>
Or, just manually change the line to read root:<passwd>:::::
11:31
<ogra>
eeek
11:31
<devilbues>
ogra: the idea is to set a expire date, right
11:32
?
11:32
<sbalneav>
root:<pw>:::::::
11:32
<ogra>
devilbues, no
11:33
devilbues, vagrantc probably knows the bug#
11:33
<sbalneav>
If you're having trouble, just manually edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow file
11:33
<ogra>
i dont
11:33
sbalneav, !!
11:33
sbalneav, no beer for you today !
11:33
<alkisg>
ogra, why, I've always done that since hardy... chage, pfff.... vi is better! :)
11:33
<sbalneav>
ogra: You forget, I was doing unix when all you COULD do was manually edit the file!!!
11:34
<ogra>
sbalneav, right, but its a bad advise :)
11:34
always use the tools that apply chacks to your changes
11:34
*checks
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<devilbues>
ogra: I don't care as long it works
11:34
:)
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<ogra>
well, passwd -u and setting the pw afterwards always worked for me
11:35
and apparently for sbalneav as well
11:35
<devilbues>
ogra: maybe I should upgrade to 8.10
11:36
I'm still using 8.04
11:36
<ogra>
according to vagrantc that wont change a thing
11:36
since the fix isnt even in 8.10
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<ogra>
was apparently just recently added in debian
11:36
<alkisg>
ogra, in hardy I had the "root account expired" problem, I didn't have it in 8.10
11:36
<ogra>
alkisg, ah, good to know
11:37
<alkisg>
(I didn't know about passwd -u and chage so I edited shadow manually - bad for me)
11:37
<ogra>
i think we call passwd -u in the rootpw plugin
11:37
in intrepid
11:37
<alkisg>
oh, I'm always using --prompt-rootpass
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<ogra>
aha
11:41
<nubae>
just tested in intrepid and passwd -u is no longer required there it seems
11:41
<ogra>
yeah, stgraber added some fix iirc
11:41
<devilbues>
that's it, I'm upgrading to intrepid, it doesn't work :(
11:42
<ogra>
if you do that anyway, just use --prompt-rootpass for the client build :)
11:43
note that you need to make some modifications to make update-manager offer you the upgrade
11:43
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
11:44
<devilbues>
thanks guys
11:44
I'll check it out
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<devilbues>
Well it worked with --prompt-rootpass, thanks :)
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<Lns>
Hey fellow ltsp friends
12:19
<babyhuey>
anyone know why i would be getting "khelper blocked for more than 120 seconds" when i try to boot my ltsp client on a fresh ubuntu 8.10 install?
12:24
<Lns>
Can anyone comment on this thread? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=48CE65D600038BC2%40mail-h3g-1.mail.tiscali.sys&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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<alkisg>
Lns, I think you should use wireshark or something for the dhcp packets... Or also try strace gnome-terminal, to see where the lag happens... Just an idea, this is way over my head.
12:39
<Lns>
alkisg: thanks for the input.. Yeah, wireshark might help I guess, but stracing gnome-terminal wouldn't, since I'm logging onto a text-mode tty where the lag happens (as well as GDM)
12:39
The thing is, daemon.log on the server shows everything dhcp is doing, the client just isn't accepting the offers.
12:40
Not sure what I'd be looking for w/wireshark really
12:40
<alkisg>
Is this while rom-booting or later in initramfs?
12:40
<Lns>
first dhcp request during pxe
12:40
right after post
12:41
I'm thinking to downgrade my kernel to -19 to see if that eliminates the problem
12:41
<alkisg>
You could e.g. see in wireshark that the client pings to see if someone else has the assigned IP, and if it gets an echo, it refuses to take it
12:41
or that the dhcp-server logs, but doesn't actually send the packets, I don't know...
12:41
<Lns>
alkisg: well that's dhcpd's job isn't it?
12:41
right
12:41
hrm...
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<Lns>
I'm gonna downgrade to linux-image-2.6.24-16-server i think and see..for some reason i think this is a kernel issue
12:42
that's easy enough to do remotely anyway ;)
12:43
<alkisg>
"As a consistency check, the allocating server SHOULD probe the reused address before allocating the address, e.g., with an ICMP echo request, and the client SHOULD probe the newly received address, e.g., with ARP."
12:44
So it's possible that clients decline the offers
12:44
<nubae>
heya Lns...
12:44
so, trouble in paradise eh?
12:45
<Lns>
nubae: far from paradise ;)
12:46
Basically it's the SECOND time I boot the set of thin-clients (reboot after hitting ldm) that the issue crops up
12:46
All 8 of the clients boot up fine first time, second time, not a one of them will get dhcp
12:47
<nubae>
so a problem with the dhcp leases
12:47
<Lns>
nubae: it seems so.. but afaik dhcpd hasn't been upgraded in a while
12:48
<nubae>
I guess u have tried deleting the lease cache
12:48
<Lns>
I haven't actually
12:48
<nubae>
cause if that worked a script might help
12:48
try it
12:48
<Lns>
ok
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<Blinny>
When enabling logging to the LTSP server, is it normal for kernel messages from a booting client to come in about one every 2 seconds? I'm still getting the kernel boot output from the client 10 minutes after the client has booted.
12:51
<alkisg>
Lns, also, if the dhcp server takes a long time to respond (I'm thinking about the lag issue), the clients won't accept it because they may have had issued a different request with a new "xid" field
12:51
(but this would be maybe > 5 seconds...)
12:52
<Lns>
alkisg: the clients wait about 30 seconds before timing out
12:52
especially long timeout in my experience with other pxe clients
12:52
<alkisg>
Lns, yes, but they do 3-4 dhcp offers in the meantime
12:52
<Lns>
alkisg: right..and i see that in the logs
12:53
<alkisg>
So if the server answers,, say, 10 seconds later, they may not accept the offer
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<Lns>
nubae: if i delete the leases file, the clients with current leases are going to have issues with newly created leases aren't they?
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12:54
<Lns>
hold on..phone w/onsite tech
12:54
<nubae>
no idea, u could delete just the leases of rebooted clients
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<nubae>
Lns: other thing is, u have all your hosts declared in /etc/hosts?
12:56
<Lns>
nubae: nope, never did that
12:57
(hosts declarations)
12:57
<nubae>
I use that
12:57
and dont get the problems u've mentioned
12:57* alkisg also has the server kernel, doesn't use /etc/hosts, and doesn't have this problem.. :(
12:58
<nubae>
u dont use: get-lease-hostnames true; ?
12:59
<alkisg>
nubae, no, I don't even have a dns server (on one of my setups)
12:59
<Lns>
nubae: nope, never uncommented that
12:59
ther'es a new post that might point to an issue
13:00
regarding remote syslogging (that i coincidentally enabled recently)
13:00
<nubae>
think he's talking about something different
13:00
<Lns>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=491098D6.3050505%40interfree.it&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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<nubae>
yeah just read that, but sounds like his issue seems different from yours
13:02
<ogra>
totally
13:02
is your loopback device up and existing ?
13:02
<Lns>
ogra: yep
13:02
<ogra>
do you probably have a weird GW entry in the dhcpd.conf ?
13:03
<jportilla>
Hi, somebod than speak spanish. I need a little help with the x11vnc
13:03
<ogra>
so the clients try to go through a GW thats nonexistent or some such
13:03
<nubae>
yo hablo Espanol... cual es el problema?
13:03
<Lns>
ogra: nope, i haven't changed that and the gateway hasn't changed..
13:04
<nubae>
que version de LTSP y que distribucion?
13:04
<jportilla>
Gracias nubae, es que estoy tratando de controlar remotamente una terminal con el vnc
13:04
<ogra>
hmm, probably the new kernel has new security features ...
13:04
<jportilla>
Tengo el LTSP 5 trabajando con Debian
13:05
Segui los pasos que aparecen aqui https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
13:05
<ogra>
Lns, did yu ask in #ubuntu-kernel (if you are sure the kernel was the only thing that got updated)
13:05
<Lns>
ogra: no, tried #ubuntu-server but not -kernel...i know the kernel wasn't the only thing that got upgraded.. but it's the only thing i can think of that would cause that kind of havok on the server console as well as the thin clients
13:06
i could be wrong though
13:06
<nubae>
jportilla: thin client manager ya no es soportado
13:06
usa iTalc
13:06
<Lns>
I also see ufw is installed...i never installed that dommit
13:06
don't know if that would cause a *second* boot to fail dhcp though
13:06
<ogra>
its included by defult since hardy
13:06
<nubae>
does ufw come standard now in ubuntu?
13:06
ah thought so
13:06
<Lns>
ah, not enabled though by default
13:06
<ogra>
the gui is new in intrepid
13:07
but ufw is there since hardy
13:07
<nubae>
yeah, thats pretty cute
13:07
<ogra>
yup
13:07
<jportilla>
Perfecto nubae voy a probarlo muchas gracias
13:07
<nubae>
Is Italc the latest in intrepid?
13:07
<ogra>
yes
13:07
<nubae>
jportilla: usas ubuntu o debian?
13:08
Lns: deleting leases didnt work?
13:08
<Lns>
nubae: haven't done that yet, the tech is doing other things and i'm gonna be changing the ip of the ltsp server too
13:08
there he is..hold on
13:08
<jportilla>
Nubae Debian
13:10
<nubae>
vale, mira que version de italc se instala, necesitaras la version 1.0.9
13:11
si quieres las ultimas novedades y simplicidad de instalacion
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<Lns>
nubae: i'm going to run to the site real quick (10min away).
13:16
I'll be back on here if the couple things (turn off syslog to server, chg ip addy on ltsp, delete leases) doesn't work :) Thanks so much for your help, you too ogra & alkisg
13:16
Gotta migrate to new ip anyway
13:16* nubae keeps fingers crossed
13:16
<Lns>
Not that that will help the situation, but it's a good thing they're all down right now :p
13:17
<alkisg>
Lns, also
13:17
try to get a lease from a real client when the problem occurs
13:17
<Lns>
alkisg: you know, i think it's only the pxe clients that have the issue but i might be wrong
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<Lns>
i see plenty of DHCPACKs to normal clients
13:17
<alkisg>
Lns, good luck!
13:17
<Lns>
thx
13:20
<warren>
jammcq: ping
13:20
_UsUrPeR_: ping
13:20
<jammcq>
pong
13:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
plop
13:20
<warren>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/dlw_t1422.html 256MB flash, does it show up as an IDE disk?
13:21
not mtd flash?
13:22
<jammcq>
warren: I know nothing of that
13:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: yes, it shows up as an IDE drive, but the image is not writeable
13:25
why do you ask?
13:26
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: not writable?
13:26
_UsUrPeR_: one customer is looking at Wyse clients with the intention of writing their own "firmware" onto flash
13:27
which makes it entirely pointless to buy Wyse
13:28
_UsUrPeR_: the flash is write once?
13:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
The image is written as a RO filesystem. Just spoke with etyack to get my facts straight about this
13:29
it uses a ramfs for and temp files, this keeps the amount of write cycles on the flash down, we assume due to the fact that the amount of re-writes is finite
13:30
"for and temp files" = "for any temp files"
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: ok, but the entire OS can be replaced
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct.
13:39
<babyhuey>
ug this crap is upsetting me
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<Lns_onsite>
Hey all
13:55
<chrisinajar>
Lns_onsite: hello
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<nubae>
hey, so how goes it?
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<Lns_onsite>
nubae: same deal, deleted leases, turned off syslog to server..still, when rebooting it won't get an IP
14:03
lemme paste the chroot dmesg..when some boot, they always hang at "loading hardware drivers" - there's a flash card on these TCs and i'd like to disable the loading of that (but keep localdev on)
14:04
<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "dmesg on TC chroot" (331 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/90
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<Lns_onsite>
I've got no idea where exactly it hangs at "Loading hardware drivers".. but again, it's kind of inbetween that issue and them not getting a DHCP addy at first PXE boot at all. First time booting up (after say 10min) it's fine though, they get an IP within a few secnods
14:06
it's almost like a broadcast storm is preventing things, but again, at the local server console things tend to lock up as well (such as restarting DHCP server took ~1.5min, hangs at "Stopping DHCP server" and then hung again at "Starting")
14:06
s/first PXE boot/second PXE boot/
14:07
<nubae>
and u've monitored whats happening to the packets on the network?
14:07
like is there a spike or something
14:08
<Lns_onsite>
I haven't..for some reason syslog ..ah crap lemme turn it of in /etc/default/syslogd
14:08
still logging on the serer
14:08
server*
14:09
ok brb gonna test again
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<Lns_onsite>
success!!!
14:15
Remote syslog was preventing everything from coming back up.
14:15
<Gadi>
yeah remote logging sucks
14:15
use only for debug
14:15
:)
14:15
(now he says something....)
14:15
;)
14:15
<Lns_onsite>
Gadi: hahaha..i know, i should have listened to you
14:16
<Gadi>
Lns_onsite: dont worry - nobody listens to me
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<Lns_onsite>
I wonder why it would cause that issue though?
14:16
<Gadi>
and yet, they like to make me happy
14:16
weird, no?
14:17
<Lns_onsite>
Gadi: i always listen to you =) you're awesome
14:17
<Gadi>
aww, shucks - does that mean you wont make me happy?
14:17
<Lns_onsite>
What would remote syslog be doing that's exausting server resources ?
14:17
<Gadi>
think network
14:17
every syslog entry uses dns
14:18
so, dns issues get magnified
14:18
<Lns_onsite>
oh
14:18
heh, ogra and vagrantc mentioned dns but i didn't think of it in that context
14:18
<Gadi>
if you have dns issues with the clients, that can bog things down big time
14:18
<Lns_onsite>
plus the DNS servers are on the WAN, not local
14:18
<Gadi>
you know how syslog says: <servername>: blah
14:18
or: <hostname>: blah
14:19
it does a get_hostname lookup for every message
14:19
and you cannot turn it off
14:19
<Lns_onsite>
yeah
14:19
<Gadi>
kinda sucks
14:19
word has it there is another syslog server that doesnt use dns (or can turn it off)
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<Lns_onsite>
well TY you guys .. i'm glad i got this resolved quickly
14:20
now onto the other bugs! ;)
14:21* Lns_onsite waves
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<jammcq>
Lns_onsite: i've not been watching the conversation, but did you just fix that slow bootup on 2nd boot issue?
14:21
damn
14:21
1 second too late :)
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<Gadi>
thats what yo mama's fatty client said
14:26
<babyhuey>
wish my thin client werent so slow
14:36
<nubae>
I suppose if one had a seperate logging server it would be ok
14:36
<Lns>
jammcq: yes, the not-getting-dhcp-on-second-boot was fixed by disabling remote syslog in /etc/default/syslogd.
14:36
<jammcq>
wow
14:37
freaky
14:37* Lns goes to put a "big fat warning" on the wiki
14:37
<nubae>
it kind of makes sense, all the clients doing dns queries... maybe putting host declarations would help though
14:38
<Lns>
Now I need to troubleshoot my root (no pun int) issue, which was nbd_swap hanging the server when > 3 clients are booted at once (w/SIZE=256, default of 32 seems to work better)
14:39* Lns wonders why dns queries are used when lts.conf SERVER=IP.ADD.RES.S is used
14:39
<vagrantc>
it's the reverse DNS, probably ... i.e. the syslogd is trying to figure out the DNS name for the ip addresses it's logging for
14:40
<nubae>
then adding all the hosts to the servers /etc/hosts would help
14:40
<vagrantc>
an ugly workaround is to put fake hostnames into the server's /etc/hosts for each ip address of the thin-=clients...
14:40
<Lns>
ah
14:41
yes, that makes sense
14:41
<vagrantc>
for i in $(seq 100 250) ; do echo 192.168.0.$i ltsp$i ; done
14:41
adjust for your network settings, of course.
14:42
<Lns>
vagrantc: the thing is, the physical TCs are labelled.. I'd have to give them all static leases in dhcpd.conf
14:42
which isn't an issue besides it being kinda tedious
14:42
<vagrantc>
nah.
14:43
i mean, the labels won't really break anything, will they?
14:43
<Lns>
not technically, just logically
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<nubae>
wont even show on the terminals unless u stick -use-host-declaraions on in dhcpd.conf
14:43
<vagrantc>
Lns: could just pull off the labels :)
14:43
<Lns>
which is important to the teachers/students/troubleshooting process when they tell me "AC18 is acting up" and I know where it is in the lab
14:43
lol
14:44
<vagrantc>
use virtual labels.
14:44* Lns opts for static leases ;)
14:44
<Lns>
ooooo
14:44
wouldn't that be awesome, a little embedded LCD on the TC that displays IP
14:44
<nubae>
well u can still write a script for that too, just use AC instead of ltsp
14:45
<Lns>
nubae: right, but the point was that the TCs are physically labelled and the numbers wouldn't match up to the IPs in /etc/hosts
14:45
s/numbers/hostnames
14:45
it's really moot, but i know it would confuse the onsite people
14:45
<nubae>
so just label them in /etc/host with ip: ac18 = myipnumber
14:45
I mean instaed of ac18
14:46
and pulll of the labels :p
14:46
<Lns>
i can't do that unfortunately :)
14:46
they use the labels to tell students where to sit
14:50
You know what would be nice is to put some sort of functionality into ltsp's dhcpd.conf, an 'include /etc/ltsp/known_hosts.txt' or similar and a script like what vagrantc suggested to populate the file for fixed leases..just a thought
14:51
<nubae>
well u can do that via mac:address
14:51
<vagrantc>
Lns: the acNN doesn't need to be in sync with the hostname...
14:51
<Lns>
vagrantc: i know it doesn't need to, but it would be cleaner
14:51* vagrantc doesn't think it's worth maintaining static entries in dhcpd.conf
14:52
<nubae>
vagrantc: depends on what u are doing... but for various chroot configs its important
14:52
<Lns>
nubae: right, think about local printers
14:53
At my own office I use IPCop's dhcpd, so it's easy to create fixed addresses on existing leases, but everyone's setup is different
14:53
I dunno, a bit of manual labor isn't a bad thing imho. I'm sure it's not needed in ltsp's core code
14:55
<nubae>
well it can be scripted in the same way as the /etc/hosts leases
14:58
<Lns>
nubae: true true
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<nubae>
damn I hate moodle sometimes
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<Lns>
nubae: aww, you're still working on that huh?
15:02
It's like a dysfunctional relationship between you and moodle :p
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<Lns>
Is there a way to selectively disable the hardware probing of local storage (in my case a CF card in the TC) ? I suspect, but am not sure, that this is causing the TC to hang for about 10-15 seconds during bootup. There's no need to have it enabled.
15:13
I know it's not accessible (via appendix I in ltsp upstream docs) but i'd like to try and disable the probing upon bootup all together
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<nubae>
yeah a clinic wants to totally customise the thing, and I can forsee this taking months... I'm out of my element... I want to be working on LTSP :-(
15:16
blacklist the moduel Lns
15:16* Lns pats nubae on the back
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<nubae>
the driver
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<Lns>
nubae: nbd doesn't use scsi emulation or anything like that right? The CF is being detected as sdX
15:16
and hopefully that wouldn't interfere with USB sticks
15:17
usb storage uses scsi emulation too iirc
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<nubae>
yeah it does
15:17
so does sata
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<Lns>
so blacklisting the module probably wouldn't work
15:17
unless i can give a UID or something
15:17
<nubae>
well u can test it
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<Lns>
i was just curious if there was a quickfix i hadn't heard of..i'm not gonna test that out right now, have to fix too many other things :) ty though
15:21
hrm, seems like putting "sda=noprobe" might be a way of accomplishing that
15:21
in menu.lst
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<nubae>
there ya go
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<Lns>
as long as the USB sticks don't sequentially get probed as sda by doing that
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<Lns>
Anyone want to comment on using "elevator=deadline" as an I/O scheduler for LTSP servers ? I know someone here (forgot who, sorry :( ) said that using this scheduler greatly improves multiuser server performance
15:33
From http://www.wlug.org.nz/LinuxIoScheduler : "The deadline scheduler implements request merging, a one-way elevator, and imposes a deadline on all operations to prevent resource starvation. Because writes return instantly within Linux, with the actual data being held in cache, the deadline scheduler will also prefer readers – as long as the deadline for a write request hasn't passed. The kernel docs suggest this is the preferred scheduler for database systems,
15:33
especially if you have TCQ aware disks, or any system with high disk performance."
15:35
<shogunx>
hi guys got LTSP a good plug in a story on the SolarNetOne: http://www.linux.com/feature/151362
15:36
<Lns>
He has a beard too! :p
15:39
<nubae>
shogunx: I had a question about that actually
15:39
does the poe work for all clients and monitors?
15:40
ie, can u power the tfts with usb or something?
15:40
<jammcq>
shogunx: is that you in the video?
15:40
<shogunx>
thats me
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<jammcq>
cool
15:41
your work is amazing
15:41
<nubae>
indeed
15:41
<jammcq>
gives me goose bumps
15:41
<shogunx>
the latest version of the PoE can power anything that runs on 12VDC, but its not really PoE anymore. there are dedicated power wires.
15:41
hey thanks Jim. could not have done it without you;)
15:43
<nubae>
so you power the tfts from a seperate plug coming from the ethernet lead, or from the thin client via usb?
15:43
<Lns>
shogunx: wow, multi-kilometer omnidirectional wifi antenna? crazy! can the other end be omnidirectional as well?
15:44
I'd think there'd be a yagi in there somewhere..
15:44
<shogunx>
nubae, there are two cables in seperate jackets that share an edge, if that makes sense. one jacket has cat5 in it, and the other has 2 pairs of #16awg
15:44
<nubae>
yeah gotcha
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<shogunx>
Lns it _can_ be omni if necessary, but I would recommend a panel, parabolic, or yagi directional if the remote node is not to be a repeater. in other words, omni for backbone buildout, and directional for client stations.
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<nubae>
shogunx: have u talked to OLPC and sugarlabs?
15:46
<Lns>
shogunx: gotcha. you mean directional for backbone though i'm sure
15:46
<shogunx>
talked to OLPC. Blestias and a couple others.
15:47
<Lns>
shogunx: very awesome project. You're doing a great thing out there =)
15:47
<shogunx>
Lns if its a point to point repeater hop... say i have to go 100km, then yes. 2 directionals per hop.
15:48
omni if i want to add another service area. sometimes we would go with multiple radios and a combo on the antennae.
15:48
thanx:)
15:48
<nubae>
ah I see the olpc xo in the video :-)
15:48
<Lns>
woo, FidoNet is mentioned! =p
15:49* Lns remembers configuring backdoor BBS fido client
15:50
<Lns>
err..frontdoor i think
15:51
<nubae>
shogunx: u've set up ejabberd to allow colaboration?
15:52
damn... dream project indeed
15:53
<shogunx>
nubae, mailing list, wiki, irc server mostly
15:54
<nubae>
ejabberd will help with meshing multiple sites with xos and other sugar running computers
15:54
<jammcq>
shogunx: are there real deployments of this?
15:55
<shogunx>
ya. one at katsina state u in northern nigeria, another going live soon in tunis, and 2 waiting to ship to Kalele, Benin. another on the table for Palawan, Phillipines.
15:55
<jammcq>
wow, way cool
15:55
<Lns>
woohoo!
15:56
<shogunx>
ejabberd is a pretty good idea... will have to implement that.
15:56
<Lns>
open source software, renewable energy, connecting people with technology... *drools*
15:57
<nubae>
shogunx: I'Ve got instructions here:
15:57
!sugar
15:57
<ltspbot>
nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
15:57
<shogunx>
its been lots of fun, but not without some stress and darned hard work.
15:57
<nubae>
I use that for a local deployment here, but not nearly as cool as solar powered
15:57
<shogunx>
customs in some of these places can be a nightmare.
15:58
hopefully i can turn on a US market for this.
15:58
<nubae>
for sure... I thought about that... computer camps are perfect for this
15:58
<shogunx>
use some of the revenue to help subsidize the developing nation deployments
15:58
<nubae>
set up shop outdoors in the spring and summer
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<shogunx>
i have ridden out 2 hurricanes with the prototype.
15:59
<nubae>
hehe really?
15:59
on purpose?
15:59
<Lns>
Hey, there's a redundant wind energy possibility there ;)
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<shogunx>
they hit here... everything around me went down, but my dns, mx, http, etc all stayed up. never missed a beat as far as the internet was concerned.
16:00
:) with redundant wind it would be absolutely bulletproof.
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<Lns>
shogunx: wow, the vsat dish didn't move eh?
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<shogunx>
ground mount with a bunch of concrete.
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<Lns>
or was that out of harm's way
16:01
nice =)
16:01
<shogunx>
altho the main link via cable never went down either... just the power grid.
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<nubae>
nice test environment
16:02
<Lns>
take that, microsoft/google shipping container server farms!
16:03
<nubae>
its wonderful that ltsp is able to do such wonderful things... its like the center of technology
16:03
all nodes come from here, heh
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<Lns>
all your node are belong to us!
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<alkisg>
Lns, an alternative to static dhcp entries is pxelinux.cfg/mac-address-entries with contents "ip=<ip>:<server>:<gw>:<mask>:<hostname>:eth0:none". Of course you have to leave these addresses out of your dhcp pool. Only works for pxe and gpxe clients, not etherboot.
16:12
<Lns>
alkisg: interesting! Didn't know the flexibility of the pxelinux.cfg dir
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<alkisg>
Ah, and this way you have to put lts.conf in tftpboot, not inside i386 (they don't get the tftp path)
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<nubae>
alkisg: u should really write some of that stuff up... its usefull stuff to know
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<alkisg>
nubae, can I try on some wiki with my broken english, and maybe someone patches it up?
16:20
Or should I put it e.g. on my forum (in english again) and post a link?
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<Lns>
alkisg: if you put it on the ubuntu wiki and shoot me the link i'll clean up the english
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<alkisg>
Lns, thanks, will do!
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<Lns>
awesome, thank you =)
16:22
brb
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<nubae>
btw, u guys gonna be at the edubuntu meeting tomorrow?
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<Lns>
Damn, my numlock is broken and i don't know why :(
16:23
nubae: i'll be there
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<alkisg>
nubae, sure!
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<nubae>
cool should be interesting
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<Lns>
nubae: what's the topic going to be?
16:30
nm, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1704
16:32
nubae: look, ubuntu does irc logs too! http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
16:32
#ltsp isn't in there though
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<stgraber>
Lns: ltsp is not an ubuntu channel, so I don't see why it'd be on irclogs.u.c
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<Lns>
stgraber: well i know it's not directly related to ubuntu, but it definitely has a lot to do with it since ltsp dev happens mostly on ubuntu first
16:35
<stgraber>
I'm sure a lot of people here would disagree :)
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<Lns>
ok ok i'll shaddap :p
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<alkisg>
Anyone with iptables experience to save me some hours of brain-frying? I have a server with 4 NICs and 12 TCs. I want each 3 TCs to be served by a different NIC (trunking). But while e.g. TC1 connects to eth1, the server still answers from eth0. How can I route traffic through specific NICs based on ip ranges?
16:40
(I could use subnetting, but I'd like to have continuous IPs on the clients)
16:41
<nubae>
it would be a bit undemocratic for ubuntu suddenly take irc ownership of #ltsp
16:41
:-)
16:42
<Lns>
nubae: lol..well i'm not saying 'take ownership' by any means. just logging that chan wouldn't seem too intrusive imho
16:43
<nubae>
well ltsplogbot is doing fine with it now =)
16:44
<Lns>
i know i know.. :) and i like log2html much better, very nice.
16:45
<nubae>
@g define:ltsp.org
16:45
<ltsplogbot>
Sorry, no search results were found.
16:46
<nubae>
@g define:ubuntu
16:46
<ltsplogbot>
A Zulu word, literally meaning "humanness." Ubuntu is a social and spiritual philosophy serving as a framework for African society. ... @ http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=1954 ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:ubuntu )
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<nubae>
:-)
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<wpgmb>
looks like I'm experiencing the same issue I found described on bugs.launchpad.. FF is already running on clients. My home setup is nowhere near that "loaded" - it can already happen with only two clients trying to launch FF. I ("main account") can however still launch FF. What to do?
16:52
is "local apps" recommended?
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<warren>
nubae: hmm, I better be careful about what I say.
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<nubae>
@g define:fedora
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<ltsplogbot>
hat of velour with high, slightly tapering crown. @ http://romancereaderatheart2.com/victorian/timeline/1870/index.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:fedora )
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<nubae>
:-)
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<warren>
I identify with velour.
17:09
@g define:velour
17:09
<ltsplogbot>
A closely woven fabric with a thick soft feel. @ http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/sm-general-fabric-glossary--bg-2070458.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:velour )
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<Lns>
jeez i wish wpgmb would have stuck around
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<jammcq>
hello all
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<Lns>
hey jammcq
17:22
sbalneav: wondering if you're around to help w/nbdswap again, this time it wont' be reverted to another issue ;) if not, it's cool, let me know when you are and i can plan to be onsite whenever
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<kwakito>
hi, i'm using ubuntu hardy, i noticed the resolution on the screen of the clients are not the same, some have 800x600 and some have higher res, how can i change it?
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<kwak>
urgent help needed: some of my clients are not getting DHCP response from the server. i have 25 clients
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<Ryan52>
check in your dhcp server logs for anything funny. it's probably /var/log/daemon.log
22:13
failing that, are you sure they're plugged in? :). if you move them to a switch port that another thin client is working on does it work?
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<kwak>
yes they are plugged in
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i tried it yesterday and all booted, this morning I'm doing an apt-get update.
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i will restart
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to check
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<kwak>
still there ryan
22:43
<Ryan52>
yes
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<sbalneav>
To: America
22:45
From: Canada
22:45
Re: Presidential Race 2008
22:45
Congrats!!!!!!
22:45
\o/
22:46
kwak: I'm here as well.
22:46
<loather-work>
yeah, it's about time we got a decent candidate in office
22:47
let's see how it actually goes though, not all the electorals are confirmed.
22:47
<kwak>
ic, yeah. i restart my newly update 8.04 then it can't connect to the net anymore
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<Ryan52>
what happens when you try to "invoke-rc.d networking restart"?
22:48
<kwak>
trying
22:48
<sbalneav>
An ifconfig -a and a netstat -r would be good to look at too.
22:49
<kwak>
invoke says "RTNETLINK answers: No such process"
22:49
i had this same issue with 8.10 yesterday, hoping that it will get fixed, i installed hardy
22:50
ifconfig -a : eth0 and eth1 has address
22:50
eth1 is the thin client side NIC
22:50
there a gateway using netstat -r
22:51
ok, now it's working.
22:51
<sbalneav>
Could you paste the results of both commands to the pastebot?
22:51
!pastebot
22:51
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
22:51
<kwak>
checking my clients if they get response from DHCP now
22:51
<sbalneav>
So, now it's working?
22:54
<kwak>
out of 25 thin clients only half got dhcp response from the server
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<Ryan52>
is it consistant with which ones aren't getting it?
22:56
<kwak>
no, not consistent. it's like whichever clients get a response first, or like there's a limit.
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<sbalneav>
Can we see the contents of ifconfig -a, netstat -r, and the contents of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<kwak>
k,
22:58
pastebot right. handon
22:58
hangon
23:00
<ltsppbot>
"kwak" pasted "ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Et" (64 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/91
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<kwak>
hi sbalneav, will you be around for 2 hours. i need to be on duty to watch children playing for 40 mins. i really need help with this.
23:01
let me know your findinds.
23:02
<sbalneav>
No, I'm heading to bed soon. However, the setup looks good.
23:03
What kind of switch are these thin clients connected to?
23:03
<rjune__>
huh, looks like we got a black guy for preas
23:03
<sbalneav>
Ususally with this kind of thing it ends up being an intelligent switch that ends up throttling connections.
23:05
rjune__: He's awesome.
23:05
<rjune__>
sbalneav: you don't count, you're canuckistani
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<sbalneav>
Wow
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<rjune__>
:-P
23:06
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:06
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
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<rjune__>
How goes it scotty?
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<sbalneav>
It goes
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<mr_clark>
Hi guys. Trying out LTSP on OpenSUSE 11 with kiwi-ltsp. Got the install working. Get to a login screen but when I try logging in it waits for about 20 seconds trying to authenticate me and then it errors out with "No response from server, restarting." Any idea why? I've asked in the #kiwi channel but nobody is there.
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<Ryan52>
check wherever ssh logs to on the server.
23:26
(sorry I can't be more specific, I am not an opensuse user)
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<mr_clark>
never mind. Just played with the easy-ltsp program. Didn't make any changes but now it's working. Weird.
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