IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 September 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:11
<bennabiy>
Well, I am glad things are totally clearly undecided!
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00:56
<Enslaver>
Question, what arg can i append to the kernel command line to specify the server's ip? can i do something like ltsp_server=192.168.1.5 ?
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02:00
<javiercito53>
Hello, I'm trying to enable devices on client machines. I have tried this: http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_howto_ltsp_ltsp5localdevices But command "#udevadm info -q all -n sda1" is nothing like the example. Devices don't mount. Can anyone help me?
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02:06
<javiercito53>
Can anyone help me to debug my LOCALDEV, usb is not being mounted on the client machine. When I connect it, it is recognized according to /var/log/syslog but, It never gets mounted. Any advice?
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10:21
<Zaga>
hi all!
10:21
has anyone had problems with an intel video card on thin clients, with dual head?
10:29
<Hyperbyte>
Zaga, sure.
10:29
!ask
10:29
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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13:04
<Zaga>
is there any solution to make the display work without the laptop screen being cut on the bottom?
13:06
<bennabiy>
zaga: Is your display mirroring?
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13:16
<Zaga>
If the display is in clone mode the bottom of the LCD display is cut off
13:16
the same thing happens if I select the maximum resolution on the VGA port and the LCD
13:17
because the max resolution of the LCD is 1366x768 and the VGA is 1920x1080 which does not make a square
13:17
and then X cuts the bottom of the LCD display
13:23
<workingcats>
so you've set it to 1366*768, right?
13:24
<Zaga>
right
13:24
this is more a X server problem than ltsp
13:24
<workingcats>
and it's actually cut off, not just that the picture extend beyond the visible bounds?
13:24
<Zaga>
the problem is I want to use this kind of laptops as thin clients
13:25
it's cut off
13:25
<workingcats>
hm dont know but i'd guess xrandr may help
13:25
<Zaga>
I've tried that
13:25
<workingcats>
tho i think you're more likely to get something useful in the chan of whatever distro you have on the client
13:26
<bennabiy>
I found XRANDR was having issues with it, but I ended up having to disable my LVDS display, then everything worked fine, but I am not trying to use both screens
13:26
<Zaga>
it works ok if both monitors have a square
13:26
<workingcats>
Zaga, do you actually need both on at the same time?
13:26
<Zaga>
for example if both are 1024x768
13:26
yes
13:26
it's for out customer care solution
13:26
<workingcats>
in clone mode?
13:26
ah ok
13:26
<Zaga>
not in clone mode
13:27
in left of or right of
13:27
<bennabiy>
You might need to specify in XRANDR the specs for each display
13:27
<Zaga>
Done that
13:27
the LVDS1 continues to cut the bottom of
13:28
I think I'm going to try to launch a live CD with a more recent X version and see what it does
13:28
<workingcats>
whats the xrandrs you ran
13:30
<Zaga>
xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768
13:30
xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080
13:30
<workingcats>
you forgot the left/right of
13:30
not sure of the syntax but you need to tell it that afaik
13:30
<Zaga>
xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS
13:30
xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1
13:30
no
13:31
I set the resolutions I want
13:31
and then right-of the display
13:31
it works
13:31
but since one is bigger than the other
13:31
the LVDS1 cuts at 768
13:31
<workingcats>
clearly not ;) cant the right-of be in the same command as setting resolution?
13:31
hu? the LVDS only has 768
13:31
<Zaga>
sure
13:31
yap
13:32
<workingcats>
i dont understand
13:32
it displays what it can display
13:32
<Zaga>
correct
13:32
but since the VGA1 is bigger
13:32
the LVDS1 cuts it
13:32
<workingcats>
the lvds cuts the vga?
13:33
brb
13:35
i dont think i understood the problem
13:35
<bennabiy>
I think you are running into the bug... either the LVDS or LVDS1 do not actually exist
13:36
It has a max resolution of 1024x768 and shows up as LAPTOP
13:36
<workingcats>
i assumed the LVDS was just a copy&paste with the last char forgotten
13:36
<Zaga>
let me see if I can explain
13:36
in windows (windows sucks, I know)
13:36
<bennabiy>
I need to reboot
13:36
back later
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13:36
<workingcats>
also just for the record, 1024*768 is NOT a square :P
13:36
<Zaga>
it sets the resolutions of LVDS1 to 1366x768
13:37
and VGA1 to 1920x1080
13:37
I try the same in the thin client
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13:37
<Zaga>
and the LVDS1 cuts the bottom of the screen because it tries to create a real desktop size of 1080
13:38
which is the max of the VGA1 1920x1080
13:41
<workingcats>
are you sure about that? i mean obviously if push a window below the bottom of either screen its got nowhere to go
13:42
*if you
13:42
and many desktops default to only showing stuff like the taskbar on one screen
13:42
ah suppose if you maximise something you can tell
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13:44
<Zaga>
yap
13:46
<dean_za>
hi , i have been force to roll out a new server after a hard drive crash , went from ubuntu 8.04 ltsp to 12.04 ltsp , i have restored most apps for users but I am having serious problem with printing. I have correct entries in lts.conf and port 9100 is open on thin client and appears to be accepting connections. Nothing prints though and I cant find any error log anywhere. Can anyone tell me where I can look for solution / evidence of problem ?
13:50
<workingcats>
Zaga, well, try a livecd or ask your distro
13:57
<Zaga>
just tried a livecd of fedora 19 and it works out-of-the-box
13:58
with the maximum resolutions
13:58
is there a better distro recommended for ltsp?
13:58
I'm currently using debian
13:58
but could use another one if it works better
14:00
<workingcats>
dunno i have ubuntu lts
14:01
debian stable is rather well aged and there's been a lot of movement in the graphics stack
14:01
this doesnt really have anything to do with ltsp, its just that the old stuff in debian doesnt do this right automatically (yet)
14:01
i would think
14:05
<Hyperbyte>
Zaga, question.
14:05
From all you wrote above, I gather that your LVDS display's mode is not correctly detected, and the display is running at a higher mode than it's maximum. How am I doing so far?
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15:03
<muppis>
!failsafe
15:03
<ltsp>
Error: "failsafe" is not a valid command.
15:04
<muppis>
!gnome-failsafe
15:04
<ltsp>
Error: "gnome-failsafe" is not a valid command.
15:04
<muppis>
Hmm..
15:04
I just dropped Berryterminal to my rpi sd-card and now I'm trying to memorize which one was most simpliest session to use in LTSP.
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15:22
<muppis>
Logs in, but drops out. Some issue at server, I think.
15:25
vagrantc, how about your howto. Does it work with Ubuntu 12.04?
15:27
<vagrantc>
muppis: i think ubuntu 12.04 requires armv7, so it wouldn't work on the rpi
15:27
muppis: but you could definitely connect the raspbian thin client to an ubuntu server
15:29
<muppis>
vagrantc, rpitc.blogspot.com?
15:30
<vagrantc>
huh?
15:31
muppis: that's some other project
15:32
muppis: mine is: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/
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15:37
<muppis>
vagrantc, I was just reading that and about to try it. :)
15:38
But do I need to install wheezy server somewhere?
15:40
<vagrantc>
muppis: you can wing it with some other server
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16:23
<Velyks>
Anyone had success from using rPis as thinclients?
16:25
<muppis>
Velyks, building one up. :)
16:26
<Velyks>
Need to make a rPi VESA mount
16:27
So £70 for a monitor and £30 for an rPi. £100 for a thinclient isn't bad
16:28
muppis: Do you have to build the client for the rPi?
16:28
Also, are you having to preload the client onto the SD card? Or can you use PXE boot.
16:30
<muppis>
Preloading, because pxe is not supported so far. I tried to build with that vagrantc's howto, but mine server is Ubuntu and building fails for some reason.
16:31
<Velyks>
So this BerryTerminal has a pre-made client?
16:31
<muppis>
Yes. With that logged in, but dropped out at once.
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<workingcats>
Velyks, no PXE native, but you can "chainload" so to speak
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: You there?
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19:02
<bennabiy>
nope..
19:02
alkisg: I am currently installing Mint Debian in a test server to see how the LTSP install goes on it.
19:03
<alkisg>
bennabiy: you're currently building an ubuntu chroot and not a mint chroot, right?
19:03
No desktop interface selection or other related packages, correct?
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<bennabiy>
alkisg: As far as mint vs ubuntu goes with the chroot, mint repo does not have enough in it do do a complete build. It basically is Ubuntu at that level. When a DE gets involved, that is where mint becomes mint (like if you had a fat client )
19:05
<alkisg>
What about the boot logo?
19:05
Or the wallpaper, or the theme settings?
19:05
Aren't all those in some mint* packages?
19:06
You should put those in LATE_PACKAGES or so...
19:06
<bennabiy>
Boot logo, there is a mint package, wallpapers, logos etc, yes
19:07
Gladly. They never affect me, as I do not use fat clients
19:07
<alkisg>
Thin clients don't have a boot logo?
19:07
<bennabiy>
They have a boot logo, and LDM
19:07
so I need to grab the plymouth of mint
19:08
<alkisg>
The package that has the boot logo, yeah
19:08
And the themes packages would affect those that use ldm_dialog or localapps (or fat clients)
19:08
<bennabiy>
vagrantc said it would be better for me to put the code up that I had, because at least as it stands, a user can install ltsp and then following the guides to set up dhcp etc, they could issue the command ltsp-build-client and it would work
19:09
I am currently testing how a stock install of Linuxmint debian works with a stock install of ltsp
19:09
<RoyK>
does LTSP support SPICE?
19:09
<bennabiy>
I will pastebin the results
19:10
alkisg: Is there documentation of what files ldm references?
19:10
I do not know much about ldm, other than how to hack it a little
19:12
As I said, not personally doing much with anything more than basic thinclient shell and ldm, I am not very aware of the fat client side of things
19:13
<alkisg>
No need to know anything about fat clients...
19:14
LDM is the same in both thin and fats
19:14
<bennabiy>
perhaps I just think of fat clients wrong
19:14
ltsp = ltsp in both cases, right?
19:15
<alkisg>
Yup
19:15
RoyK: there's no spice-related code in upstream ltsp, but you can run any application in thin clients very easily
19:15
<bennabiy>
fat clients just use local hardware for processing power and video, but all the environment is on the server still?
19:15
like home folder etc
19:16
<alkisg>
Yes, fat clients also use the server's /opt/ltsp/i386.img for the OS, and the server's /home/username for user files etc
19:16
<RoyK>
alkisg: how does ltsp work with video?
19:16
<alkisg>
RoyK: it uses X11, XVideo etc etc, plain remote X
19:16
That allows e.g. viewing a divx movie on an 100 mbps network fullscreen without dropped frames
19:16
<bennabiy>
alkisg: can you give me a clear list of what I need to change to allow for a merge?
19:17
<alkisg>
bennabiy: nope... I can't give you a clear list because I don't know who will do the merging!! :)
19:17
<RoyK>
alkisg: was thinking more about editing stuff, but I guess it works out the same way
19:18
<bennabiy>
alkisg: as to the conversation yesterday, I think the fear I have about including mint as an ubuntu or debian file is that in the future as mint develops, it being harder to extract it from the mothership if you will
19:18
<alkisg>
bennabiy: personally I would implement it quite differently from what you did at the branch,
19:18
bennabiy: why, do you think mint has more code than e.g. kubuntu?
19:19
The problem with mint is that it's not done right... not that it's more different than other flavors
19:19
So in the future, one would hope that bug reports in mint would make it easier to support in ltsp
19:20
<bennabiy>
alkisg: I agree, it is very funny how it is done, but I also know that it is very stable, and when combined with MATE desktop, it is a wonderful environment
19:20
<alkisg>
I agree about that, but I don't expect it to deviate more
19:20
So if now it's doable with just 2 files, I don't see why that would change in the future
19:22
Hopefully mate and cinnamon will be just more DEs, like xfce, lmde, kde etc, installable from the stock ubuntu repositories
19:22
And "mint" will just be "mint-desktop" package, plus a precompiled CD
19:22
<bennabiy>
As I said, the basics to build a frankenstein is doable in 2, and if those changes could be better coded somewhere else in the script, I am fine with it. I just want to be able to compile a build without having to hack the program each time
19:22
I do not think mate is in the ubuntu repos yet
19:22
<alkisg>
First, I'd start with hacking the detect_vendor() function
19:23
(that's what I was talking about when I said "not done right")
19:23
<bennabiy>
I noticed you said that
19:23
<alkisg>
They should probably have just picked up gnome2 maintainance or something...
19:23
Anyways,
19:23
<bennabiy>
It is funny, it is now based on gnome3
19:23
<alkisg>
lsb_release is all wrong in mint
19:23
<bennabiy>
although a clone of gnome2
19:23
yes
19:23
<alkisg>
mate is still based on gnome2, right?
19:24
So, detect_vendor() would check for LinuxMint, and try to fix VENDOR and DIST in that case
19:24
<bennabiy>
at the foundation, updated to gnome3, but still looking like gnome2
19:24
<alkisg>
Taking into account if it's LMDE or Ubuntu-based mint
19:24
<bennabiy>
in order to get into debian
19:24
<alkisg>
That's good news; when it's gnome3 then it'll just be "yet another DE"
19:24
So it'll be includeable in debian+ubuntu
19:25
<bennabiy>
yes
19:25
<alkisg>
So, if e.g. VENDOR=Ubuntu and DIST=Precise (and some other var like FLAVOR=Mint),
19:25
<bennabiy>
when does detect_vendor() fire?
19:25
<alkisg>
then ltsp-build-client will work fine, and you just have to add the repositories in e.g. 000-base-configuration-mint and in 031-mint-mirrors etc etc
19:26
<bennabiy>
It is what picks which folder to look for config scripts, correct?
19:26
<alkisg>
So I think all that is needed is (1) special-case mint in detect_vendor - which is needed in all cases,
19:26
and (2), a couple of 000-*mint plugins
19:27
Yes, detect_vendor sets VENDOR which is used to pick up the distro dir
19:27
<bennabiy>
I am about to install the debian mint. I will check its mirrors and see what it comes up with... perhaps I can complete the package to support both by the end of the week
19:28
<alkisg>
...and (3), another couple of 000-*mint plugins for LMDE
19:28
(2) goes into Ubuntu/ and (3) into Debian/
19:29
<bennabiy>
yes.
19:31
where is the file with the detect_vendor() function?
19:34
there is a reference to it in ltsp-build-client, but I cannot find what is feeding that reference
19:37
<christophe_y2k>
Hi, new to ltsp have a gentoo system and have a my thin client boot only in console mode if anybody have tweaks to get ldm
19:40
<bennabiy>
nm. found it...
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<muppis>
nfs mount gives Device or resource busy
20:03
<christophe_y2k>
hello muppis, you speak to me ?
20:03
<muppis>
christophe_y2k, commonly. Just trying to get my rpi up.
20:04
<christophe_y2k>
ok sorry
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